Series XII episode titles revealed in steelbook clusterfuck

The UK release of the Series XI Bluray/DVD is a mere two days away. As is often the case with internet pre-orders, some lucky fans have already received their copies through the post. Imagine their delight as they rip open the packaging to take a look at their shiny Bluray steelbooks in the flesh for the first time. They turn it round to pore over the details contained on the rear. There’s a photo of the main cast, a list of exciting extras, the now-familiar series synopsis, and of course the list of… wait, that doesn’t say Twentica. And that doesn’t say Samsara. What the shitting crikey is happening here?

Yes folks, I can’t quite believe I’m saying this, but the slipcase for the Series XI Bluray steelbook contains the wrong episode titles. And I’m struggling even more to believe that I’m saying this bit, but not only that, they’ve actually printed the episode titles for Series XII instead. Needless to say, if you don’t want any further information, you probably ought to stop reading now.

Our heartfelt thanks to neildo for drawing our attention to this on the forum, and to all those who kept it discreet until we’d figured out what was going on. But it’s out there now – the merest of Twitter searches reveals these photographs, with all the gory details:

I mean… it’s… I just… wow. Completely baffled and utterly speechless. It’s impossible to overstate how monumental an error this is. It’s one thing to have fucked up the cover art for a Bluray release, but quite another to do so like this, in a manner that also fucks up the next series of the show to some degree. Several hard-working professional people are going to be utterly mortified right now, so it’s probably best to react with amusement more than anything else, for their sake.

For so many reasons, it’s hard to know how to react to this. Whenever something breaks that the production would clearly rather hadn’t broken, it presents us at G&T with the dilemma of whether to bring it to a wider audience. But when the information has been printed out and mailed directly to the hardest of hardcore fans, and is presumably also winging its way to the shelves of retailers up and down the country, I don’t see how we can ignore it.

However, the spoiler policy still stands – any information gleaned from attending the recordings of Series XII episodes is not to be posted anywhere. If you were in the audience, please don’t use this knowledge to indicate which episodes are which, but everyone else is free to have a guess, and to speculate as to the content of the episodes, so long as nobody in the know confirms or denies.

But bloody hell, eh? Starbug photos posted by UKTV execs, the XI titles and synopses accidentally appearing online a week early, Krysis accidentally appearing online a day early, the XI DVD extras accidentally appearing online a fortnight early, and now this? As John Hoare pointed out back in April, why is it that the fans are so much better at keeping the show’s secrets than anyone who works on it?

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  1. Lucky for GNP they have a whole week to figure out what happened before a TOS update.

  2. Fucking Hell.
    Mind you, I don’t suppose episode titles are *that* spoilery really, are they? Good job it’s not Friends, *then* we’d be in trouble.
    But the fact that it’s still a year away…that’s shocking.

  3. At least with all the above fuck ups, things appearing online before they were meant to is nothing new nowadays. This however….simply can’t get my head around it.

  4. Krysis was a day early, not a week.

    Siliconia and Mechocracy seem like they could be alternative titles for the same episode.

  5. G&T Admin

    Ah yes, writing in a rush there. Ta!

  6. I wonder if they’ll rerelease the steelbook with the correct titles? The incorrectly printed ones might become something of a collector’s item.

  7. Holy fuck. They’re not spoilery, it’s just so stupidly premature that it doesn’t do any favours whatsoever. I guess the design of the XII DVD will be near-identical, if they’re just working to a template.

  8. Siliconia and Mechocracy seem like they could be alternative titles for the same episode.

    I guess one must be the Everyone’s Kryten episode?

  9. Siliconia and Mechocracy seem like they could be alternative titles for the same episode.

    I guess one must be the Everyone’s Kryten episode?

    I assumed that they’d open with that one (and maybe they are since ‘Here No Evil’ doesn’t really offer much in the way of speculation)

  10. >any information gleaned from attending the recordings of Series XII episodes is not to be posted anywhere.

    Hear, hear. These twats obviously can’t adhere to a spoiler policy, but the fans did extremely well with XI. I’d urge anyone to control the speculation for a few months. These episodes probably won’t be on TV for ages.

  11. G&T Admin

    Well, they’re not *supposed* to be on TV for ages, but they’re bound to turn up somewhere.

  12. This is really taking the piss. I’ve remained pretty silent when all the other fuck ups happened, but I’m honestly getting fed up, as well as frustrated now.

  13. At least, with the way it’s been going, we’ll end up getting the episodes two years early and just won’t have realized it until now.
    Heck, maybe Series XII was broadcast when they were supposed to be broadcasting Series II and they just threw in a couple edits to cover up the accident.

  14. Wow. This is a phenomenal cock up. These had to be designed, approved, printed, signed off, packaged, everything. How come no-one spotted this? That’s barmy. Lucky that the titles themselves are ‘meh’ enough to not blow the gaff on anything.

  15. How on Earth does this happen? How does this case get out there with nobody going “hold on a minute those are the episode titles for a series that hasn’t been broadcast”? How do those titles end up anywhere NEAR a final version that’s sent to the manufacturers? This is beyond belief.

  16. Could these possibly even be simply placeholder titles for XII? They don’t seem like great episode titles and presumably – with the best part of a year before broadcast – working titles could still change, as could transmission order. Would these elements be locked down this early?

  17. > They don’t seem like great episode titles

    XI has some worse titles. Samsara even, I don’t like it as a title cause it makes the episode sound miles better than it is. Can of Worms is the worst title across all of Dwarf (and one of the worst episodes………….ohhhhhh *boooom* o.o)

    These XII ones don’t sound THAT bad….though it wouldn’t surprise me if one or two changed later on.

    Just thank FUCK they didn’t print the XII synopses……. (you ALL know you flippin looked to see if they had…don’t lie, or you won’t get any cake!! :p)

  18. you ALL know you flippin looked to see if they had…don’t lie

    Busted.

  19. What an absolute fucking shitshow. Doug Naylor is going to have permanent facial damage from face palming.

  20. Next week: they accidentally project the whole of XII onto the surface of the moon.

  21. Well, they’re not *supposed* to be on TV for ages, but they’re bound to turn up somewhere.

    In light of this whole joojooflop situation we can confidently expect series 12 to air Xmas Eve and the next 5 nights thereafter

  22. I’d still love a proper RD Christmas special. Slightly extended length, sleigh bells over the opening titles, tinsel up in the bunk room, finish on a song. Come on, you know you want that.

  23. >Next week: they accidentally project the whole of XII onto the surface of the moon.

    Last month all Red Dwarf fans were blasted into space to spend the next 10 months posing no further threat to leaks. But it was revealed Red Dwarf XII however was also placed on board by mistake, and is now trapped alone in space with the cunts. A GNP spokesman said ‘This is the one thing we didn’t want to happen.’

  24. I vastly prefer this kind of mistake to the kind that nurses, air traffic controllers, presidents and secret agents are in a position to make.

  25. Well, what a complete and total smeg up of epic proportions! Thankfully, the titles are vague and I’m not 100% sure which one I was in the audience for. I’ll be guessing for the next 10 months now!

  26. Some thoughts on the titles: “Here No Evil” is the one that sounds least like a RD title to me, although I can’t really explain why.

    “Siliconia” and “Mechocracy” sound more like Doug-era titles; he seems to have a tendency to invent these portmanteau words such as “Nanarchy”, “Twentica” or “Krysis”.

    “Time Wave” and “Star Knot” sound like RD titles in the tradition of ‘thing that is in the episode’ (cf “Stasis Leak”, “White Hole”). “M-Corp” has thrown me a bit, being as it is THE FIRST EPISODE WITH A HYPHEN IN THE TITLE, but I suspect it belongs in this group too.

  27. Presumably M-Corp is Megacorp which we heard of in XI. Megacorp being called Megacorp is hopefully a jokey swipe at sci-fi because if it’s not that’s a terrible name haha

  28. M-Corp sounds like it will either take the entire show’s plot for an odd spin or be crap, but I could be wrong.

    Here No Evil is quite awkward, although the title leads me to think it could inadvertently address the theory (if I’m thinking of the right show) that the boys are the villains.

    I’d suppose we could all guess what Mechocracy is.

    Siliconia sounds like the opposite of Twentica.

    Time Wave could very well be White Hole all over again, but we all know the way that XI was taking old plots for a new end, we’ll see what happens.

    Star Knot – What?

  29. Star Knot: Warden Knot seeks out new life and new civilizations, boldly going where no man has gone before

  30. Conceptually, what ‘time waves’ seems to refer to in reality isn’t a million miles away from what future echoes are supposed to be, namely a fluidity in space time caused by gravitational ripples from two black holes colliding.

    Conversely, a star knot… is a type of knot. If this is the one that could end up being our series finale, it’s pleasingly enigmatic although there’s a suggestion that everything I said about “Time Wave” could apply to “Star Knot” as well. As this is an episode where we probably already know too much I’ll not attempt to join any more dots.

    Siliconia – plastic surgery? Waxworks again? I can’t see them having two Kryten stories in one series, and it’s fairly obvious which one Mechocracy is…

  31. Star Knot is a musical showpiece episode for Shend, GNP are planning to bring it to the West End after broadcast.

  32. Thankfully, the titles are vague and I’m not 100% sure which one I was in the audience for.

    So true. I am amazed that people have managed (or think they have managed) to piece together which title goes with which set report, especially when I saw an episode with my own eyes (and contributed to the set report) and don’t have a clue which episode it is!

  33. [applause]

    Oh, what the hell.

    [ovation]

  34. Time Wave and Star Knot have me most excited because I like big weird space concepts and want more stuff like White Hole again. If the last episode filmed is the intended finale (which the reports certainly suggest), then Star Knot certainly suggests something a bit epic.

  35. I’m amazed. Utterly amazed. It wouldn’t surprise me if this is the timeline of errors going forward:

    April 2017: Series XII is leaked.
    June 2017: XII Special Features leaked.
    September 2017: Series XII released on UKTV Play.
    November 2017: Series XII airs on Dave.
    December 2017: Series XII DVD/BD released, Blu-Ray cover contains synopsis for Series XIII; refers to Rimmer as “Grodan Brittas” (mis-spelling intentional).
    Feburary 2018: Series XIII Rushes leaked, despite only having been filmed an hour before.
    June 2018: Any and all Red Dwarf thoughts are leaked from Doug Naylor’s brain onto a twitter account.
    October 2018: Vindalunar II collides with the ISS

    Anyway, the titles themselves. They’re alright, though Here No Evil doesn’t look right (It’s the punwork, man, I’m telling ye.) The rest are alright, though I’d argue Time Wave’s the only Dwarfy title of the bunch, with maybe M-Corp also, surprisingly. (Maybe it reminds me of Crapola Inc or even the JMC. It certainly reminds me of M People).

  36. I’m looking forward to the ‘Smeg Ups’ compilation on the XII DVD….. it’ll just be a summary of the promotional, broadcast and merchandising campaigns.

  37. Joking aside, do you think they should/will do a no holds barred, self deprecating ‘We’re Smegged’-type feature on the promo cock-ups these past couple of years?

  38. I would love that, something like “Re-Dwarf” off the Bodysnatcher collection.

    Even better if they forget to put it on the DVD.

  39. The Series XIII scripts will be leaked before they’ve been filmed, and Series XIV will be leaked before it’s actually been written.

  40. Not sure if anyone saw, but earlier today the official site temporarily had synopses for the next four series and the trilogy of films that will follow. They were taken down an hour later.

  41. Are we sure that this really is a cock-up and not a deliberate surprise?

    I’m pretty sure that the episode I saw being filmed was Mechocracy.

    Siliconia reminds me of Cydonia. Knights of Siliconia?

    As GlenTokyo suggested, M-Corp is probably the Megacorp mentioned in Samsara (although I’d thought it was Megacore — I’ll can check the subtitles when I get the DVD tomorrow).

    Star Knot is the title that intrigues me most, I’ve no idea what it could refer to, apart from Stephen Abootman’s idea further up. I mean, since the show is set in outer space, there very well, could just possibly be, something to do with stars, but a star knot? Hmm.

    Another thought: I was trying to work out if these could be old titles for XI and I could see where some could match up with XI eps (M-Corp = Samsara (although we know an old title for this was Lift Off!, it could still be another old title), Mechocracy or Time Wave = Twentica) but not others. But if it’s an old list, it could be some are XI eps and others went on to be XII?

  42. I’d like to bring back an earlier comment that M-Corp could do with the Jupiter Mining Corporation, which is visibly shortenable to M-Corp.

  43. Star Knot is clearly a backdoor pilot for a Saturday-night gameshow in which C-list celebrities have to untangle long pieces of string.

  44. Well series XII will have titles are better then XI’s episodes….so that’s something!

  45. Star Knot is clearly a backdoor pilot for a Saturday-night gameshow in which C-list celebrities have to untangle long pieces of string.

    Don’t be ridiculous – it’s obviously the episode in which Warden Knot from Series VIII’s “Cassandra” is resurrected and becomes the new protagonist of the show, with a guest performance from Jake Wood as Kill Crazy. = P

  46. As GlenTokyo suggested, M-Corp is probably the Megacorp mentioned in Samsara (although I’d thought it was Megacore — I’ll can check the subtitles when I get the DVD tomorrow).

    The ‘P’ in “-corp” is sometimes silent.

  47. As GlenTokyo suggested, M-Corp is probably the Megacorp mentioned in Samsara (although I’d thought it was Megacore — I’ll can check the subtitles when I get the DVD tomorrow).

    The ‘P’ in “-corp” is sometimes silent.

    Yes I know, that’s why I don’t know whether they’re saying “mega core” or “mega corp”. But according the subtitles (if they’re correct) it’s “mega core”.

  48. Because subtitles are always incredibly accurate.

  49. Never, ever rely on Red Dwarf subtitles.

    Megacorp makes a thousand times more sense than Megacore.

  50. There has to be, at the very least, two people who knew which titles were being used here. The person who created the layout, and their boss at Worldwide (or whoever is behind the DVD/Blu-ray production) who signed off on it. They’ve both shown themselves up as not giving two fucks about the projects they’re working on. It would have taken a single email or phone call to verify the titles, or even to okay the layout with GNP out of courtesy, or whatever. Laziness….they shouldn’t be getting paid for the job they’re ‘doing’.

  51. I notice it’s also still got that bit in the synopsis about Kryten considering leaving Red Dwarf for a younger crew. That never happened, did it?

  52. I just find it baffling that a mistake like that could be made. Like if it had of been all the covers that one thing (even though I dunno how they could make that mistake) but the regular blu-ray and DVD are all correct, how was it not just copied and pasted.

  53. The ‘P’ in “-corp” is sometimes silent.

    No, actually it never is, I think perhaps you’re thinking of ‘corps,’ which is spelled with the ess in both singular and plural cases.

  54. I notice it’s also still got that bit in the synopsis about Kryten considering leaving Red Dwarf for a younger crew. That never happened, did it?

    Good point…. I always assumed that was going to be part of Krysis,

  55. Yeah, I think that’s what everyone assumed. I guess it’s probably just an inaccurate synopsis, possibly written based on an earlier draft of that episode (?) and just never updated.

  56. The ‘P’ in “-corp” is sometimes silent.

    No, actually it never is, I think perhaps you’re thinking of ‘corps,’ which is spelled with the ess in both singular and plural cases.

    I’m not, but you might well be right. I was sure there were examples, but now the only one I can actually think of is PhiCorp, from Torchwood: Miracle Day.

    So there’s precedent for fictional “-corp”s at least!

  57. I still really like the Mining Corp idea myself.

  58. G&T Admin

    There has to be, at the very least, two people who knew which titles were being used here. The person who created the layout, and their boss at Worldwide (or whoever is behind the DVD/Blu-ray production) who signed off on it. They’ve both shown themselves up as not giving two fucks about the projects they’re working on. It would have taken a single email or phone call to verify the titles, or even to okay the layout with GNP out of courtesy, or whatever. Laziness….they shouldn’t be getting paid for the job they’re ‘doing’.

    I do not like this post. Criticise the final product all you want – believe me, I’ll be doing a lot of that in my review – but it’s not fair to make assumptions about what happens behind the scenes, or to cast aspersions on the people involved.

    I am aware that I’ve undoubtedly done such things hundreds of times during this site’s existence, but I’m trying not to any more.

  59. Just trudged around every supermarket near me and couldn’t find the BluRay anywhere. Four massive supermarkets and not one had them.

  60. Even the Doctor Who releases don’t get their Blurays in the supermarkets. It’s pretty much Amazon’s world now.

    Funny to think that every single shop I bought the classic RD releases from is now defunct.

  61. HMV is your only realistic high street opportunity these days, if you happen to live near one of the remaining ones.

  62. You might get a new copy at a That’s Entertainment if you have one of those near you. That is pretty much the only reasonably sized DVD and Blu-Ray shop that don’t just sell used stuff near me. And even then my local only opened last week.

    I’m doing the review for GS. I think we should all get it out the way in agreeing the best feature is the image gallery (seriously, I’ll be poring over that for ages) and that having the opening theme play garishly loud on the menu is a stupid fucking idea.

  63. First time I’ve not got one on release day. Cheers guys, I’ll pop by a HMV tomorrow.

  64. The bottom of the cover of the normal sleeve looks really odd. Like the space has been cleared for some writing, which they’ve then changed their minds about. The fact that it doesn’t affect The Cat, just Rimmer, Lister and Kryten (especially the guys in the middle} really makes it stand out.

  65. The bottom of the cover of the normal sleeve looks really odd. Like the space has been cleared for some writing, which they’ve then changed their minds about. The fact that it doesn’t affect The Cat, just Rimmer, Lister and Kryten (especially the guys in the middle} really makes it stand out.

    Front or back? On the front it was to say “The Complete Eleventh Series”, still does on the US one I think. The mock up Doug posted had that on.

  66. The image Doug posted was the US cover.

  67. Because subtitles are always incredibly accurate.

    I never said they were. Jeez.

    The ‘P’ in “-corp” is sometimes silent.

    No, actually it never is, I think perhaps you’re thinking of ‘corps,’ which is spelled with the ess in both singular and plural cases.

    Rimmer says Mega Corp in a Deleted Scene.

    I think this is where the confusion was for me. A Mega *Corps*, as in the military, didn’t make sense to me, since we already have the Space Corps and “mega” just seems like an oddly vague name for a corps, so I thought it must be Megacore and that it was some sort of interplanetary goverment or a company. But Mega *Corp*, as in a corporation, does make much more sense.

  68. Don’t they talk about the ‘mega-CORPS’ dream in Samsara in th whipped cream scene?

  69. I thought that was what we were talking about. But in a deleted scene from Samsara, Rimmer clearly says the ship was ‘mega-CORP’ owned, so maybe it was her accent that made it sound like mega-CORPS? Or not her accent but just the way she pronounced it? I dunno. I’m beyond caring, so I’m just going with it being Megacorp unless there’s more evidence otherwise. I trust Chris Barrie to know the difference between corps and corp.

  70. I mean, we could fight all day on whether it was mega-corp or mega-corps and get nowhere, but I’ve always had a question about the Space Corps – namely, what the hell is it?

  71. Just got my copy of the DVD, not blu-ray – no reversible cover! Sadly the reverse cover is a bit slapdash. The back has a huge empty white space on it which looks a bit naff, but also there’s a typo in the very last sentence of the descriptor blurb:

    “…making both Kryten and Rimmer illegal..”

    That’s right, there are only TWO FULL STOPS at the end of that line. Not “.” or “…”, but “..”. What the giddy fuck is the world of proofreading coming to?! Though if they didn’t spot the entirely wrong episode titles on the steelbook I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that they missed this.

  72. But if Red Dwarf is owned & operated by the Jupiter Mining Corporation, how did signing up for the Space Corps get them on, and how do the Space Corps Directives apply to them?

  73. Jupiter Mining Corp contract in workers from the Space Corp. It is a tax dodge to avoid having to pay Employers NI.

  74. This is all covered in Faster Than Light, the Grant Naylor prequel novel about Frank Saunders.

  75. Any official comment on this fuck up or are they doing a No Man’s Sky and sticking to radio silence hoping it’ll just go away? haha

  76. >This is all covered in Faster Than Light, the Grant Naylor prequel novel about Frank Saunders.

    I want this!

  77. >Any official comment on this fuck up

    Friday.

  78. I’m fairly certain ‘Friday’ and ‘immediate response’ mean the same thing, what happened?

  79. I have no idea what you mean by the above post.

  80. There’s now enough post-filming fuck-ups to launch a four hour ‘We’re Smegged II’.

  81. I absolutely understand about the practicalities of PR management, the need to send decisions down a chain, and the traditional schedule for TOS updates, and I fully acknowledge there is no bogeyman in this story, but I can’t deny that I find it wickedly hilarious that the official release of information relating to the accidental early release of some other information… is a week late. Proper Yes, Minister territory.

    Good on GNP for owning it though, when it’s BBCWW’s cockup (it’s fair to point out that GNP and Baby Cow have not directly caused any of the balls ups and leaks, not from day one). But for a moment I honestly thought we were going to have to pretend that this hadn’t happen until next summer. I still don’t like the way the accidental early release of Krysis and the DVD extras went without even a silly ‘cyuh, eh!’ tweet from Doug or anyone else at Red Dwarf Towers, instead just a very visible and very impotent attempt to hide it both times, so that they’re addressing this is a good sign.

  82. I have no idea what you mean by the above post.

    I was just parodying the people who still seem to think the information’s coming immediately after you already said Friday.

  83. If there isn’t a documentary/ 15 minute reenactment of Doug banging his head on his keyboard on the XII Bluray about all these fuck ups they’re missing a trick. This has been the England World Cup campaign of Red Dwarf releases.

    I have no faith whatsoever in anyone in charge of distributing Red Dwarf digitally or physically, an amusing documentary would at least make something worthwhile of it.

  84. >I have no faith whatsoever in anyone in charge of distributing Red Dwarf digitally or physically

    This is somewhat harsh, no? It’s not like the episodes haven’t come out or anything.

  85. This is somewhat harsh, no? It’s not like the episodes haven’t come out or anything.

    Maybe the physical media people deserves less criticism, I’ll rescind that. Apart from the slipcase having the series XII episode titles on, it’s been a smooth release (though a simultaneous WW release would have been nice).

    The digital people deserve my scorn in my opinion. Every episode came out at different times, they made it seem like the next episode after the broadcast episode would be day of and it was day after, except for when it was day before or whatever happened with that early one, which was then taken down, but on certain platforms it wasn’t, then it was.

    The episodes and special features just dribbled onto digital platforms without announcement, then they were taken away, then put back all without any real fanfare until after the fact.

    I think the fact that on this website you only have to go a few comments and you’ll find some riff on the “it’ll be out before it’s supposed to be” joke, not all by me, says it all. That didn’t exist before Red Dwarf XI.

    You’d have a hard time describing it as anything but a pretty substantial cock up.

  86. You’d have a hard time describing it as anything but a pretty substantial cock up.

    Well, if you weren’t in possession of all the facts and instead based it on your own assumptions and made a bunch of stuff up, then yeah. But for example, you don’t actually know whether the same people were responsible for the UKTV Play release as were responsible for the iTunes release; or indeed that the “physical media people” were only responsible for that side of things. So your decisions about how much criticism to apportion to which party are entirely arbitrary. It could all be the job of one person. Or it could all have been done by entirely different people each time.

    (Ian has already called people out earlier in this thread for doing this exact thing, so I don’t know why it’s still going on.)

    The episodes and special features just dribbled onto digital platforms without announcement, then they were taken away, then put back all without any real fanfare until after the fact.

    Well, that’s not true. The episodes were put on digital platforms on a weekly basis and a regular schedule after broadcast. The extras went online early, and that was a mistake, so it was corrected. I’m not sure what kind of “announcement” you thought would have been useful about this. Especially seeing as digital distribution platforms aren’t just a matter of flicking a switch to put something up or take it down – you’re at the whims of massive companies like Apple and Google.

    I think the fact that on this website you only have to go a few comments and you’ll find some riff on the “it’ll be out before it’s supposed to be” joke, not all by me, says it all. That didn’t exist before Red Dwarf XI.

    What it says to me is that Ganymede & Titan is a site whose regular readership and commenter base have a tendency to grab on to running jokes and overexaggerate things for comedic effect. That very definitely existed before Red Dwarf XI.

    I’m not going to pretend everything has gone perfectly, or even that the planned system was the way everyone would have wanted to do it; but to pretend that the whole cycle of getting these episodes out there was one almighty clusterfuck is grossly unfair. Especially when you consider what’s happened with other, higher profile shows than this in recent years.

  87. Fair enough. I admit I didn’t fully research my comment and was going on memory, so the timeliness are probably off but I haven’t knowingly made anything up, those things did happen, episodes came out at different times or early, things were put on iTunes and Google Play early and then removed, things leaked out etc.

    And you’re right, I don’t know the intricacies of removing something from Sky Go, but it shouldn’t have been there in the first place, which is the mistake, the staggered removal from various platforms only serves to split the audience into more sections which is annoying and I mentioned it to be a bit more of an arse because it’s the internet and I’m allowed to complain on the internet. Further it’s G&T, where I feel I’m afforded the luxury of having a proper whinge.

    Obviously you’re right about the grabbing on to stuff and running jokes but I don’t think I was wrong in saying that particular comedy seam didn’t exist before this series and that there is truth behind it. It’s not some obscure reference, there’s at least a small part of people that genuinely believe that someone will mess up again.

    And if Ian’s telling off is supposed to stop my comment then apologies, but I got more of a ‘don’t say people should be fired/don’t care about their jobs vibe’. I’m sure they do care, and I certainly don’t want anyone to have their employment threatened, I do want whoever is doing this, be it one man or a team, to try to do a better job though.

    Everyone makes mistakes but when you have as many as we have witnessed it gets tiring, it’s like when you’re football team sells all its best players in January. That ‘for fucks sake’ feeling, it comes out of love, which makes it worse.

    I’m not usually this much of a twat, I imagine you’ll be sat thinking ‘who’s this GlenTokyo keyboard warrior arsehole?’ but it’s just really got to me, I’m usually have a more positive outlook, so going forward I’ll try not to be as harsh, but yeah.

    It’s not gone totally to plan I’ll leave it there.

  88. Fair enough, so, and equally I apologise for saying “made stuff up” if that implies a more wilfully malevolent action than was intended.

    I do my best, for obvious reasons, to not comment on stuff like this too much as it’s too easy to blur the lines between commenting as me and commenting in an official capacity. But the point is, we don’t all know exactly what goes on behind the scenes (even I don’t see everything, it’s not like things work in the same way they did back when Andrew was producing DVDs). So obviously, when there are criticisms to be made, make them; but the whole structure of who exactly does what is such a complicated affair that it’s very easy to assume you’re talking about one person or group of people when actually they had nothing to do with a particular thing. And there are a lot of people doing all kinds of things right, and well, that don’t necessarily draw comment in the same way – so I guess that’s why a general comment like your one about not having faith in “anyone” involved can rankle.

  89. >This is somewhat harsh, no? It’s not like the episodes haven’t come out or anything.

    Indeed, I’m not a vindictive man, so I don’t intend to apply for the death penalty.

  90. > I do not like this post. Criticise the final product all you want – believe me, I’ll be doing a lot of that in my review – but it’s not fair to make assumptions about what happens behind the scenes, or to cast aspersions on the people involved.

    Yeah, it was, admittedly, not a good thing to say. It’s a mistake that isn’t really anything to do with us and doesn’t need salt rubbing in the wound. It’s also not that major a thing to happen, when all’s said and done. The titles have been spoiled, but really all that does is present more intrigue for XII, and it’s not too negative a thing. Apologies for my comment! *slaps self on wrist*

  91. I’d also like to apologise for my glib, unfunny remark.

    The one above, or any of the others in the last 13 years.

  92. Watched all the special features last night. Shame there are no commentaries, but maybe Doug & Co. can sort that out in the future. The documentary isn’t as in depth as previous efforts but we may have been spoiled on that front in the past. ‘We’re Smegged’ is very hard to top. Interesting that the partnership with Baby Cow was basically dictated by the channel cos X had had so many bungles.

    The only real shocker was when Craig described the Archimedes scene from Samsara as “One of the funniest scenes in the 30 year history of Red Dwarf” (or words to that effect). For me this was the most crowbarred and unfunny scenes in the entire series.

  93. >The only real shocker was when Craig described the Archimedes scene from Samsara as “One of the funniest scenes in the 30 year history of Red Dwarf”

    It’s right up there with the Squeaky Gibson story.

  94. Just like Noddy in Back To Earth! What a classic character, one who’ll go down in history as a beloved blah blah blah

  95. Squeaky Gibson would have killed in front of an audience. It’s one of the few bits in VII where the performers have their rhythm genuinely wrongfooted by the lack of reaction. Some of them are better at papering over it than the others – Llewellyn is by far the best at it.

  96. Just like Noddy in Back To Earth! What a classic character, one who’ll go down in history as a beloved blah blah blah

    I had to run through BtE in my head for a fair while to remember who that was.

    They always say things like that though haha, “this is classic Red Dwarf”, “the scripts are why I keep coming back”, “this is some of the best stuff we’ve done in years” etc. If I was any good at video editing I’d make a compilation.

    In fact I think I’m going to start a conspiracy theory that all the Red Dwarf BTS were filmed at the same time with the same script and the cast artificially aged by Andrea Finch. Craig’s even wearing the same jacket as one of the original DVD releases. O_o

  97. > Craig’s even wearing the same jacket as one of the original DVD releases. O_o

    I now won’t rest until I know which one……………

  98. I now won’t rest until I know which one……………

    I’ll apologise now for any undue restlessness caused because it’ll probably turn out he isn’t haha

  99. It’s just an unreality bubble. Calm down.

    Actually no, fuck that. It’s future echoes. We’re seeing episode titles for a series that hasn’t been broadcast yet. It shall be going to be happening and so forth.

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