DwarfCast 44 – Series X Semi Retrospective Byte One DwarfCasts Posted by Ian Symes on 4th December 2012, 21:06 Subscribe to DwarfCasts: RSS • iTunes Join the full Ganymede & Titan team – Jonathan Capps, John Hoare, Tanya Jones, Daniel Stephenson and Ian Symes – for a journey way way back into the past, as we attempt to take a retrospective look at Red Dwarf X, recorded about a week and a half after the series finished. Byte One of this beast contains our thoughts on Trojan, Fathers & Suns and Lemons, revised and updated since the Live Instant Reactions, with the benefit of repeated viewings, insights from the DVD documentary, and several weeks’ worth of arguments on G&T. DwarfCast 44 – Series X Semi-Retrospective Byte One (58.3MB) You can expect Byte Two of this nonsense in around a week from now, and another commentary ‘cast before the year is out. You lucky bastards.
My first student of the afternoon has canceled and I’ve just poured myself a cup of cocoa. *settles in* Impeccable timing, guys.
ca. 57:00 “Anything in the series, you can say it was a coincidence.” There you go, John – that scene in Trojan *was* all about Lister knowing himself well enough to predict what he would say, and the fact that he also had a job for Pree was just a coincidence.
Nice job, guys, and a mention for myself to boot, with not too much (not audible, at least) loathing and disgust. I’m honoured. :) Incidentally, I’ve still absolutely no idea *why* I dislike Lemons so much. Viewing it on blu ray hasn’t cleared matters up, yet.
Lister has previously said ‘Jesus’ in the amazing ‘you’re lying’ scene from Ouroboros. Can’t think of any other examples though.
Lister has previously said ‘Jesus’ in the amazing ‘you’re lying’ scene from Ouroboros. Can’t think of any other examples though. Kryten: We’re talking about someone really quite special […] he even enjoys shopping for shoes… Lister: Jesus…
Exactly my thoughts on the new JMC Computer. I wonder just how many similar, complimenting fan theories it must take before the idea finally becomes canon..? :) http://www.ganymede.tv/2012/11/red-dwarf-x-dear-dave-review/#comment-78124 Also, my take on the new corridors – going by memory, Series III -V mostly had fairly low ceilings (about 7 feet, or so?). Helped give the setting a more claustrophobic, ‘we’re trapped together in a space capsule’ feel. The ones in X looked a fair bit higher, though I could be mistaken. In any case, lower sets mean the overhead lighting is much closer to the actors, making for more dramatic composition. Plus, shooting in widescreen would undoubtedly have made an additional impact – 4:3 is another nice way of boxing everything in. Weren’t some of the original III+ sets made from bits of The Nostromo, or am I thinking of something else..? Same principal. Apparently, Ridley Scott originally asked for about four feet of those sets sawed off to help sell that size was at a premium in this corporate vehicle, and also to win the argument that there’s little point building a set that high if your chosen aspect ratio can’t fully accommodate it.
Did i hear right that there was originally going to be a creature hiding on the trojan? perhaps it was going to be what killed the crew instead of sim originally?
The creature wasn’t going to be revealed until later in the series – it would have been hiding within the ship, like what a Trojan horse might.
Listened to this last night and enjoyed it thoroughly. Thanks for that Also checking out the back catalogue, there are many that I haven’t listened to before. They really get me thinking deeper about the episodes, which is kinda odd seeing as my attitude is usually “if I laugh, it must be good”. Now I’m all “why am I laughing, and is it justified?” SO YEAH thanks for making me a better human being in every possible way (well, in terms of being a Red Dwarf fan), G&T!
The creature wasn’t going to be revealed until later in the series – it would have been hiding within the ship, like what a Trojan horse might. Wait… where did this info come from?
I take it this would have been seen in the originally-planned episode 6? Maybe the ‘creature’ was Kochanski.
Maybe the ‘creature’ was Kochanski. It was out for the taste of human flesh! … or of cottage cheese with bits of pineapple in.
… or of cottage cheese with bits of pineapple in. That really does bring home to me that there is NOTHING as bad in Red Dwarf X as Kochanski’s dialogue in VII.
I puzzled over the Trojan name when it was announced and actually thought it referred to a Trojan moon (with the metaphor of Rimmer living under the shadow of his brother). Turns out it was just a title that meant bugger all!
The official backstory is the ship is called “Trojan” because it was funded thanks to a large grant from USC. #dwarffact
I puzzled over the Trojan name when it was announced and actually thought it referred to a Trojan moon (with the metaphor of Rimmer living under the shadow of his brother). Turns out it was just a title that meant bugger all! thats RDX all over
>A Doug Naylor interview or other. Possibly the Dave podcast… This is what I get for reading/commenting before listening to the ‘cast, really. But yeah, as Ian says, the series really does seem to build towards a big Trojan-based revelation – given how the first four plots all spin out of it – I remember predicting as much during the recording run. But I hadn’t realised it was actually part of the plan that was ultimately dropped, rather than our just misinterpreting things.
Did i hear right that there was originally going to be a creature hiding on the trojan? perhaps it was going to be what killed the crew instead of sim originally? Sim Crawford killed the crew on the Columbus, they were teleported onto the Trojan. I like the idea that there was going to be a creature on board the Trojan, maybe if the last two scripts had been the original two we may have found out if there was. But still I really enjoyed Dear Dave and The Beginning still, so maybe if there is a XI we may see them. Speaking of which, where did the Trojan go anyway?
Small point of order: while it is still perhaps a little weird to see them there (as it’s not a commonly or widely documented era), it’s not an anachronism to have had Roman soldiers in India.
> Same place as the triplicator, that ship from DNA and the Skutters. The last skutter went berserk, thought he was the Terminator and launched himself through a window. OR had you forgotten? ;)
The skutters are still there. At least in the shadow of deleted scenes, scheduled for a game of subutteo.
Just listened to this one. Very enjoyable as usual guys. John – I still don’t really get why Pree having helped Lister make the tape spoils that scene for you. Even if he hadn’t had help from her, surely the main point of the scene wouldn’t be how well Lister knows himself and can predict his own behaviour, but the conflict between the two sides of his personality, the Lister who’s happy to just slob around and have a laugh all the time, and the Lister who knows all too well what the Inquisitor tells him. If he’d made the tape by himself, would he have admitted to himself that actually, more often than not, it’s slobby irresponsible Lister who wins out in his own head? He might know that deep down, but I think it’s much more believable that he’d need Pree to spell it out, and of course to predict his actions so accurately. For me, that doesn’t stop the humour in the scene from being largely about Lister’s character.
