Home › Forums › Ganymede & Titan Forum › Doctor Who II Search for: This topic has 175 replies, 21 voices, and was last updated 18 years, 6 months ago by Seb Patrick. Scroll to bottom Creator Topic June 6, 2007 at 12:10 am #1748 John HoareParticipant This thread continues the discussion from the previous Doctor Who thread. It seemed best to create a new topic whilst I still haven’t got pagination sorted. As to why I haven’t got pagination sorted – it’s a long complicated story, and it involves various bits of Drupal being rubbish. I *will* get a fix for it eventually, though. Creator Topic Viewing 50 replies - 1 through 50 (of 175 total) 1 2 3 4 Author Replies June 6, 2007 at 6:35 am #123656 Arlene Rimmer BSc SScParticipant Even with pagination, you’d problably have had to make a new thread for Doctor Who eventually. And, even though I appear to have caused a bit of controversy in the last thread, I hope we can all agree: Rose’s mother = thick as a bag of hammers. And really, you ought to have called this thread “The Second Doctor Who (Thread)” =P . edit: Or “Doctor Who Thread II: Electric Boogaloo”. Or maybe “Doctor Who Thread II: The Reckoning”. I could prolly keep this up for hours… June 6, 2007 at 12:23 pm #123341 Seb PatrickKeymaster Arlene : it is true that Rose’s supporting cast are annoying as hell in series one. It’s also true, however, that they improve immeasurably as series two goes on. Jackie is brilliant in “Love & Monsters”, and Mickey quite remarkably stops being irritating and starts to become a likeable hero both in the Cyberman two-parter (which finally gives him a bit of backstory) and in… well, I won’t spoil it for you, you’ve got all that to come. Suffice to say, by the end of the series, I actually began to feel sorry that it was the last we were going to see of them all. “Fathers Day” is bloody excellent, though. First ep of the new series to make me cry, I think. And by no means the last. I’m so bloody psyched about the rest of the series, though – Cornell has raised the bar with “Human Nature”, but we’ve got a Moffat to enjoy, followed by the return of Captain Jack (another note to Arlene : wait until you meet Captain Jack. Just wait.), followed by what looks to be the awesomest and darkest finale yet, complete with JOHN FUCKING SIMM. Bring it on! June 6, 2007 at 12:29 pm #123554 Jonathan CappsKeymaster http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho The BBC site has updated for Blink, now. I’m not usualyl a fan of the cheap Flash animations they use on there, but this one’s quite effective. This episode is going to be bloody, BLOODY brilliant, isn’t it? June 6, 2007 at 12:54 pm #123555 Jonathan CappsKeymaster Arlene, you must be due to have The Empty Child next – when’s that on? I’ll really look forward to hearing what you think about it… June 6, 2007 at 4:47 pm #123661 Tarka DalParticipant *best Craig Charles impersonation* What’s pagination? Additional: (The fact bit) A Liverpool FC forum yesterday featured a post that Craig had been spotted with Liverpool’s Chief Executive (and complete gimboid) Rick Parry. (The not-fact bit) supposedly he’s involved in the potential transfer of Djibril Ciss?. Apparently Rick wanted someone who could help him dispose of ?14 million’s worth of Black African Dope. June 6, 2007 at 4:50 pm #123662 Tarka DalParticipant Just read the Fear Factor thingy. Out of 5 teh kidz gave it 5.5 (27) “This is getting seriously weird,” decides Harry. Adam’s sad. “It’s coming,” says Samuel ominously… (28) The kids fall silent. (29) The kids grin at the Doctor’s cleverness. (33) The kids all jump out of their seats! Harry covers his face with his hands. Samuel clutches dad. Heck I’m looking forward to this. June 6, 2007 at 5:35 pm #123673 John HoareParticipant *best Craig Charles impersonation* What?s pagination? Splitting the forum display into pages – so, you’ll get, say 30 posts on a page – and then you go to page 2. Simple enough, you might think. And I can enable it with a couple of clicks on the mouse. But STUPIDLY, the software won’t display the number of pages (and links to those pages) in the topics listing, like EVERY SINGLE OTHER PIECE OF FORUM SOFTWARE does. Which would make the whole thing completely confusing. So I’ve got to find a way to make it do that. It’s doable, but it’ll take a bit of work. June 6, 2007 at 6:09 pm #123674 Tarka DalParticipant Cheers John. Btw look what I found… http://www.powerplaymagazine.co.uk/contacts.html June 6, 2007 at 6:12 pm #123675 John HoareParticipant How deliciously bizarre. I might get bored of that quote at some point. Nothing to do with me, anyway. I wouldn’t be seen dead using tables for layout… June 6, 2007 at 6:23 pm #123676 pfmParticipant DoN’t BliNk. June 6, 2007 at 8:52 pm #123677 Tarka DalParticipant > Nothing to do with me, anyway. I wouldn?t be seen dead using tables for layout? That made me do an LOL. June 10, 2007 at 1:21 am #123684 Pete Part ThreeParticipant I’m rather pished, but have to rave about how bloody awesome Blink was. Simply stunning and the best piece of TV Sci-fi I’ve seen in years. A solid story (which made sense!), very little running around, the creepiest badguys I’ve seen in the show and a great cast (make Sally a companion NOW). Yes, it was obviously one of those shows they roll out to give the regular cast a break, but it was far better than anything they’ve ever done. Yes, that includes TGITFP and the recent WW1 two parter. June 10, 2007 at 9:56 am #123686 Seb PatrickKeymaster Don’t worry, you’ve got Steven Moffat’s two-parter to come next. All will be right again. (we’ve just had a new Steven Moffat episode air in the UK, as well. And it was fucking *brilliant*. One of the absolute best of the new series to date.) June 10, 2007 at 9:57 am #123685 Arlene Rimmer BSc SScParticipant Okay, now that I can get three public television stations, all of which air Doctor Who, I’ll now be watching (and blathering to you lot about) two episodes weekly, on a normal week. Tomorrow (unless there’s some more pledge-drive crap) I’ll be covering part one of the two-parter with Captain Jack in it, but now I’ll try to piece together my thoughts on “The Long Game”. Erm. Is it just me or did the Doctor etc. not actually do much? The entire second half, it seems, particularly the resolution, rested on a series of coincidences. After all, if Ms. Idunno (the “journalist”) hadn’t just happened to follow the Doctor and Rose up to where the Monster of the Week was lurking (which flies in the face of all that “They’ve been bred to not ask questions! They’re like cattle!” crap which, and I’m just guessing here, just by piecing together a few extremely subtle clues hidden deeply in the episode, is some kind of Satire or Comment on Modern TV and The News), they’d have been well fucked, I daresay. And if the Doctor hadn’t trusted Plot Element–sorry, Adam–with unlimited funds so he could install HeadDoor9.0Advanced despite how disgusted he was by it initially and how it wouldn’t actually help him retain any of this wondrous future knowledge (or would it? Did Davies ever make up his mind on that? Early on we’re told that the brain can’t hold all that information, but later it’s implied that the main reason to get HeadDoored is that you can download stuff to your brain faster or better or something), then Irritating Git (“Editor”, sorry) would never have found out who the Doctor was, so he could suddenly want the Doctor’s “knowledge” for no good reason. And we couldn’t have that, could we? By the way, why did the Big Gob of Bubblegum With Teeth that Sounded Like Cthulhu with Strep Throat need the Doctor’s “knowledge”, anyway? Besides that It’s In The Script. Maybe Editor might’ve wanted it himself ‘cos knowing stuff makes him horny or something, but he answers to the Elder God With Laryngitis, who would presumably know that, if anything, new knowledge would be a monkey wrench in the system it’s already gotten to work quite smoothly–the entire human race is already under its proverbial thumb, somehow. Emphasis on “somehow”. I get that it appeared to have put itself in a position such that it needs the Satellite–and, I guess, tho’ it isn’t made very clear, the humans it’s allegedly controlling–to live (altho’ if a creature can’t live without technological support, isn’t that a bit contrary to evolution or something?). But how did that happen in the first place? The Doctor and Irritating Git both kept saying “They’re like cattle! They don’t ask questions!”, and we get one token but not unusual series of “I dunno, I don’t ask questions” from Ms. Idunno (would you connect heating problems and a lack of aliens hanging around to a big nasty ceiling monster controlling human development? If so, either you’re the Doctor or you need to crush some tinfoil on your hat), but I saw no real indications that they were any different from people now–in fact, isn’t there that little piece with the freedom fighter in the first half? And, again, one of those “cattle” got independent enough to save the Doctor’s life. (I guess it’s just the Doctor’s inimitable mojo that allowed her to throw off the shackles of her unwitting slavery, huh?) It’s also worth noting how very convenient it was that Ms. Idunno’s brain could suddenly handle controlling the whole Satellite even though the console thingy was made for downloading (or “processing”, ‘cos the brain may or may not be able to handle all that info, depending on the needs of the script), which is generally one-way, and that she knew she’d be able to control stuff given all this. I guess she knew all along that she could, but had never ever done so until now even accidentally (‘cos otherwise she’d prolly have been monster fodder). ‘Cos They Don’t Ask Questions; They’re Like Cattle! How does the entire archives of this Satellite thing fit onto an answering machine, anyway? And if all that info is too much for a brain to take without immediately forgetting it, what did Plot Element plan on doing with it anyway? It would’ve been useless to him. I think. Again, I don’t think anyone actually decided whether or not this was so. (I’m not even going to touch how silly the Magic Forehead Door is. Can you get a moonroof too, and a six-disc CD player installed in your ass while they’re at it?) On the bright side, I now know why the Doctor had that gigantic stick up his backside throughout “Father’s Day”. The Stupid Ape used him, see, and that’s very tragic. Look, the knowledge was useless to him as it was anyway. Surely a more fitting vengeance would have been letting him find that out on his own? Oh, and maybe not dooming him to dissection. After all, with a HeadDoor that can be opened so easily as his can–remember the “comedy” moment when his mother saw it?–either he’s going to be found out very, very soon and taken apart by scientists, or he’ll have to be much more than “average” and “low-key”: He’ll have to more or less cut himself off from all human contact until the day he dies, which seems a slightly disproportionate punishment for taking information in relative innocence that would have been of no use to him anyway. Still, Adam ain’t likely to piss off the Doctor twice. He probably won’t live that long. June 10, 2007 at 10:10 am #123657 JonsmadParticipant Is it cruel of me to have placed all of the garden fountain statues faces up against the conservatory windows, just before my father sits down to watch the recording of last nights Dr who “blink” later today ?? (evil laugh) :-) June 10, 2007 at 10:16 am #123680 Smeg4BrainsParticipant I loved Blink, espcially the fact that the villain wasn’t some big scary monster, but rather something as everyday as a statue. It’s an Alfred Hitchcock sort of thing, he evoked fear of ordinary things (like Birds) because what is the point of making you scared of something you’ll never see (like a Dalek). June 10, 2007 at 12:03 pm #123681 SephParticipant I liked Blink, but I couldn’t get the thought out of my head that they were baisically playing ‘Red Light Green Light’ with evil statues. Although it was the first episode of the ‘new doctor’ i’ve watched where the monstor of the week didn’t look like something they knocked up on Blue Peter half an hour before the show. June 10, 2007 at 1:39 pm #123682 pfmParticipant I know people are raving about the episode but, despite it being good, I don’t think it beat Moffat’s previous efforts. Saying that, it proves that a ‘Doctor-lite’ episode can be as brilliant as they come rather than just a filler (I liked Love & Monsters but this was much better). Sally Sparrow…yet another in a long line of, let’s face it, AMAZING girls to grace new Who episodes and who you wished were permanent fixtures. June 17, 2007 at 1:55 am #123697 pfmParticipant I…AM…TEH MASTER June 17, 2007 at 8:58 am #123698 Jonathan CappsKeymaster Holy mother of shitting Christ. June 17, 2007 at 12:49 pm #123699 RadParticipant Yeah, that was amazing. And I totally disagree with newspaper critics that the rest of the episode was poor and was just buildng up for the climax. I thought the story about the last humans at the end of the universe was very intriguing and I can’t wait to find out what happens to them. Hopefully RTD won’t get too cameo-happy in the big two-parter. June 17, 2007 at 12:54 pm #123700 Smeg4BrainsParticipant …………wow…….. June 17, 2007 at 12:59 pm #123701 Smeg4BrainsParticipant http://www.votesaxon.co.uk June 19, 2007 at 9:05 am #123707 Arlene Rimmer BSc SScParticipant I don’t like to interrupt while you all are busy digesting a huge plot twist in New Who, but I’ve just had the most extraordinary good luck and I don’t really know anyplace else online where people would both know and particularly care what I’m talking about. My mother’s a member of the local Freecycle group (people who give stuff away online to people who live near them), and one of the offers she ran across yesterday included a bunch of VHS tapes. So now (because it’s my birthday on Thursday) I’m the extremely happy owner of thirty-nine VHS tapes of classic Doctor Who, each of which has three or four episodes on it. It’s five different Doctors’ worth of episodes and the Doctor Who movie (basically Pertwee through McGann). It also came with a copy of the Doctor Who Programme Guide, and twenty-three episodes of The Avengers. I’m sorry to butt in, but I just had to share! Sonic Edit: I checked the titles on each tape (they’re very well-labeled) against the Programme Guide, and it appears I have every story arc from Pertwee’s “Spearhead from Space” to McCoy’s “Survival”–with the notable exception of “The Talons of Weng-Chiang”. Tell me, is missing that one a good thing or a bad thing? I also started watching my first Pertwee tape–I like him! Between this and The Avengers, I may well overdose on cheap and ingenious special effects of decades past =P . (Oh, and “The Empty Child”/”The Doctor Dances”: Pretty damned good. Steven Moffat deserves riches heaped at his feet for writing like this. It’s just complex enough, and it comes together at the end without a merry parade of loose ends flapping about. I know it’s unfair to be unable to write a wall of text for the good episodes; but then, when it’s this good, what can I say? And I promise that next time I see it, which I think is next week because local PBS programming schedules are drawn up by concussed orangutans, I’ll give “Father’s Day” a second chance.) June 19, 2007 at 12:33 pm #123711 Tanya JonesParticipant >with the notable exception of ?The Talons of Weng-Chiang?. Tell me, is missing that one a good thing or a bad thing? Bad. Very bad. Perhaps the finest Classic Who story there is. Import the DVD if there’s no region 1 release. June 19, 2007 at 12:46 pm #123713 Arlene Rimmer BSc SScParticipant Honestly, now, or in a leg-pulling sense? Not that it matters much; I don’t really care if the humor in my Doctor Who is intentional or not. Also, is it just me, the sound on my VHS tapes, or does Jon Pertwee have jeeyust a hint of a lisp? Not, I hasten to add, a “prefers the sexual attentions of the same gender” lisp, simply a minor speech impediment. June 19, 2007 at 2:42 pm #123715 Seb PatrickKeymaster He has a LOT of a lisp. By the way, you’re incredibly lucky. But brace yourself for some utter, utter crap among the brilliance ;-) June 19, 2007 at 2:59 pm #123716 Arlene Rimmer BSc SScParticipant >He has a LOT of a lisp. I thought I’d noticed one. >By the way, you?re incredibly lucky. And don’t I know it! And me with my birthday on Thursday. My mother said she was this close to just deleting the email about this load of tapes. When I heard about this offer, you probably heard my yelp of delight across the Atlantic. (I’m only on the second tape yet. That’s up to “Inferno”. God bless obsessive PBS watchers who tape everything.) >But brace yourself for some utter, utter crap among the brilliance ;-) Well, that goes without saying. Good thing I don’t mind a certain amount of crap =) . Also: I like the New Who theme (or is it more correctly a sort of remix?) a lot; I adore the Classic Who theme even more by a factor of at least ten. June 19, 2007 at 8:14 pm #123718 Tanya JonesParticipant >Honestly, now, or in a leg-pulling sense? Not that it matters much; I don?t really care if the humor in my Doctor Who is intentional or not. Honestly! It’s utterly brilliant; but watch out for the huge rat. June 19, 2007 at 8:40 pm #123719 pfmParticipant ‘Talons’ is bloody brilliant, definitely in the top five classics I’ve seen. It’s the ultimate period Who story IMO. June 23, 2007 at 11:38 pm #123747 Smeg4BrainsParticipant I think it’s fair to say that ‘The Sound of Drums’ kicked major amounts of bottom. One thing I don’t understand however is why The Master wants to kill everybody. Is he just bored? June 29, 2007 at 8:23 am #123687 Arlene Rimmer BSc SScParticipant Not long ago I was able to give “Father’s Day” a second chance. And I will admit that, despite my difficulties in identifying with Rose as a main character and her plight, it does hit all its emotional beats quite well (except for the bits regarding Rose’s mother, who, as I’ve mentioned, is dense as a black hole in this Whovian outing). Its sci-fi aspects, however, are still rather crap. July 2, 2007 at 9:27 am #123756 Arlene Rimmer BSc SScParticipant Aaaaand “Bad Wolf”. Bad something, at any rate. Soneone should keep RTD away from writing utensils, computers and anything else he might use to create more half-digested plot tangles like this except under the strict supervision of a cowriter. Because I have to complain to somebody, some highlights: – “You have got to be kidding me.” Much as I sympathise with the Doctor’s quote here, it reminded me of a tenet of decent writing: Having your story or characters acknowledge how outlandish or stupid some element of a story is doesn’t make it any more palatable, or less stupid. Do I watch Doctor Who so I can be treated to “Popular Game Shows and Televised ‘Reality’ Clusterfucks of British Television”? I do not. – “You really don’t want to know.” Wrong answer, Jack, but thanks for playing. The correct answer is “I didn’t even want to think about it, and now I have an image of Captain Jack’s Rectal Bag-O-Tricks seared indelibly into my imagination probably until the day I die, which it rather goes without saying I deeply resent.” – Again with the “brainless sheep” thing. God, Russell, give it a rest. It didn’t make sense the first time you whipped it out, and if anything it makes even less sense now. There’s a little bit of irony, isn’t there, in someone involved in making television shows using the show he makes to deliver a sledgehammer-subtle sermon about “Teh teevee makes peeple into stoopid sheepz”. At any rate, I’m sick of hearing it. Also note how (unless Part Two of this thing is very good indeed) the whole “I did this, I made them stupid sheeples, oh noes” angle appears to go for naught. – Hands up, those of you who actually believed Rose had snuffed it. Nobody? Yeah, me too. Maybe I’m just an old cynic, but something in my bones tells me a story like this wouldn’t actually kill anyone close to the Doctor at only the halfway point. Okay, maybe if it were an intelligent and daring script with a few tricks up its sleeve, it might, but really, who’s kidding who? – Golly gosh, isn’t it lucky the Doctor stole that “Deus Ex Machina” model TARDIS all those years ago? ‘Cos if it hadn’t “worked it out all by itself”, then wherever would he be, except maybe up a certain creek? – And finally, just in time to send off the season properly, Oh No, Daleks! Which isn’t making a whole lot of sense in light of everything else, but hey, it lets Christopher Eccleston’s Doctor get really loud and angry and intense (and slightly batshit loco), as is his wont. Lord, what a mess. Oh well. In other news: I’m just starting to like Tom Baker. He’s no Jon Pertwee, but he has a certain charm. July 2, 2007 at 2:11 pm #123757 AndrewParticipant Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong… And I LOVE Jack’s hidden weapon. So ner. July 2, 2007 at 2:49 pm #123758 pfmParticipant I didn’t like Bad Wolf at first (mainly because Big Brother, Trinny and Susannah etc. were pretty fucking jarring to be in the series) but now it’s one of my favourites. Eccleston is just brilliant in it, as is Barrowman (pity Russell couldn’t think of anything for Jack to do in his series 3 episodes, apart from bringing about the Deus Ex Machina time reverse ending that is (and the stupid FUCKING reveal of who/what he becomes…). Also, Lynda-with-a-‘y’…why do the gorgeous ones always have to die?? July 2, 2007 at 3:05 pm #123759 Ian SymesKeymaster Fun Fact: nobody who uses the phrase ‘deus ex machina’ as a criticism of something on the internet actually knows what the phrase ‘deus ex machina’ means. And I LOVE Jack?s hidden weapon Ooh, pardon. July 2, 2007 at 3:09 pm #123760 Arlene Rimmer BSc SScParticipant >And I LOVE Jack?s hidden weapon. So ner. It’s funny on the surface, but–under what circumstances do you make plans that include a gun in your rectum? On the “oh, God, no” scale, it’s worse than the Doctor showering to elude his pursuers in “Spearhead from Space” (and I’ll have you know that’s pretty damned mind-scarring). So there =P . July 2, 2007 at 4:04 pm #123761 AndrewParticipant Under what circumstances do you travel through time and space in a police box? Jack’s just ‘that kinda guy’. Always armed, and always shoving stuff up his omnisexual arse. (Also, he’s not necessarily human, is he?) I think you have anal issues… (Insert standard poor-taste G&T joke here.) July 2, 2007 at 4:24 pm #123762 Arlene Rimmer BSc SScParticipant >Fun Fact: nobody who uses the phrase ?deus ex machina? as a criticism of something on the internet actually knows what the phrase ?deus ex machina? means. Look, you…you. I’m smart. I’ve…I’ve read…books. Tons of books. With chapters and everything. If I didn’t know how to use that phrase, why, I’d of made a real fool of myself just there, is what I’d of done. And since I’m never wrong, clearly this is not so. So there. I’ve run rings around you logically. July 2, 2007 at 4:33 pm #123763 Jonathan CappsKeymaster > (pity Russell couldn?t think of anything for Jack to do in his series 3 episodes, apart from bringing about the Deus Ex Machina time reverse ending that is (and the stupid FUCKING reveal of who/what he becomes?). I take it you missed the bit about The Paradox Machine not only being set up in the first episode but becoming absolutely and utterly integral to the logic of the entire invasion, then? You may not have liked the ending or the way it reset too much stuff, but it’s not a deus ex machina, for fucking fuck’s sake. You sure you’ve not been spending too much time on OG? July 2, 2007 at 10:30 pm #123764 Tarka DalParticipant Quite right. It made perfect bloody sense and it was perfectly bloody obvious. Do you really think they were going to continue with an Earth that wasn’t just post invasion but post-largely destroyed? We’re on a Red Dwarf forum for lords sake. Maybe they should have called it the “Make everything go back like it was” Machine” would that have helped? Now what’s puzzling me is how the earth is now. Because by sending everything back to 8:02 surely the whole world should have just watched the first contact sequence, has just seen some shiny ball things appear and wipe out the President of the US, only to have The Prime Minster get shot by his wife and die in the arms of some random bloke they’ve never seen. July 3, 2007 at 10:19 am #123765 Seb PatrickKeymaster >Soneone should keep RTD away from writing utensils, computers and anything else he might use to create more half-digested plot tangles like this except under the strict supervision of a cowriter. Lest we forget, RTD wrote : – Rose – The Parting Of The Ways – Doomsday – Smith and Jones – Gridlock – Utopia Not to mention The Second Coming, which is one of the best one-off television dramas of the last decade. He has his missteps, but he’s writing approximately three times as many episodes as any other writer, and plotting the series, and producing it. He may be no Moffat, but without him, Moffat wouldn’t even be writing Who. So I’m prepared to forgive him the odd New Earth or Aliens of London. July 3, 2007 at 11:31 am #123766 Arlene Rimmer BSc SScParticipant Um. I haven’t actually seen most of those (there’s only two there, it appears, from the season I’m watching, and I think I missed the first). I’m not saying he can’t get better as I see new episodes, but this one certainly isn’t that good. July 3, 2007 at 1:39 pm #123767 Pete Part ThreeParticipant >It made perfect bloody sense and it was perfectly bloody obvious. Do you really think they were going to continue with an Earth that wasn?t just post invasion but post-largely destroyed? Yeah, I think that was my problem with it. It was perfectly bloody obvious that RTD has seen one too many Voyager episodes and thought that it would be dramatic to stage armageddon if you have an escape clause already worked out. It may not be an example of deus ex machina, but it was bloody lazy. As for the episodes above, only Utopia really springs to mind as a solid episode…and that’s just on the strength of the last ten minutes. July 3, 2007 at 6:44 pm #123770 Tarka DalParticipant Yeah right on Seb. I forgive him Gridlock for all those ;-) July 4, 2007 at 12:31 am #123775 Seb PatrickKeymaster I HATE CATHERINE FUCKING TATE. HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE. HER NAME RHYMES WITH HATE, AND THAT IS WHAT I DO TO HER. HATE. July 4, 2007 at 12:35 am #123776 Ian SymesKeymaster Doctor Who is ruined. July 4, 2007 at 5:58 am #123780 John HoareParticipant I wouldn’t say ruined, exactly… but whilst I really liked her performance in The Runaway Bride, not even I’m keen on 13 episodes of her. Back for a two-parter? I’d look forward to it. Back for a whole series? Pfffft. We’ll see, but I have a deep dark sense of foreboding about this. July 4, 2007 at 6:26 am #123781 Arlene Rimmer BSc SScParticipant I just spotted a Tom Baker pledge drive plug for public television–my copy of “Terror of the Zygons” has pledge breaks in it. It’s probably no big deal, but I thought that was mildly neato. July 4, 2007 at 8:12 am #123782 Pete Part ThreeParticipant They really have lost the plot with Tate. She shouted her way through the Christmas Special and the saving grace of that was her buggering off at the end. They drop Martha (and ignore the awesome potential of Sally Sparrow) and pick an awful comedian who relies on canned laughter to convince deadbeats that her show isn’t the biggest pile of shite on TV. Author Replies Viewing 50 replies - 1 through 50 (of 175 total) 1 2 3 4 Scroll to top • Scroll to Recent Forum Posts You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Log In Username: Password: Keep me signed in Log In