Re-watching X and XI before XII

I get the point about revealing Snacky too early, but the trouble with leaving the reveal until the end is that it robs the earlier scenes of the comedy that comes from the audience knowing what the characters don’t.

If Captain Bollocks is out of character for Kryten, then so is the ending of White Hole. It’s clearly established he only has a problem with insulting Rimmer to his face, NOT behind his back. And the ending of White Hole is effectively behind his back, since their memories are erased.

Besides, there’s no reason to assume Kryten came up with Captain Bollocks. I’d just have assumed he was going along with Lister and Cat’s gag.

Also “bollocks” must be a far dirtier word than I realize as an American, because I’m kind of baffled anyone could have a problem with that joke going too far. It seems perfectly in line with what we’ve seen before on the show.

but the trouble with leaving the reveal until the end is that it robs the earlier scenes of the comedy that comes from the audience knowing what the characters don’t.</blockquite>
I agree completely.

Captain Bollocks was funny, but not t-shirt worthy imho. It’s not a classic line. Nor is it out if character. Butler trying to teach Kryten how to speak Gelf was overplayed as well. It was kind of amusing but not much beyond that.

Revealing Snacky’s identity early is important because it provides the dramatic irony which makes Rimmer’s counselling session hilarious. Revealing him so early is also an interesting change of pace, something different. The joke is just as funny if they put it at the start as if they put it nearer the end, imo.

Bollocks is barely even a swear word in the UK. It just means testicles.

Bollocks is barely even a swear word in the UK. It just means testicles.

Apparently:

According to research Ofcom produced in 2010, the word “b*****ks” was more acceptable to viewers pre-watershed than other more offensive swear words, and only second behind the most acceptable swear words such as arse and bum.

Along with “bollocks”, Ofcom categorised “bloody”, “bugger”, “crap”, “Goddamn” and “pissed” as “higher acceptability” words that can be said on television before the watershed.

I know the BBC cut it from a Star Trek episode where O’Brien yelled it. And I’d be surprised if it ever came out of Doctor Who’s mouth, though that would be pretty great.

Snacky. Or, more specifically, the decision to reveal that Snacky wasn’t, in fact, Asclepius, to the audience so early on in the show. What happened to the long wind up?

But that is a long wind-up, and more to the point it’s something Red Dwarf does very well. Case in point: “Kryten” revealing that the three survivors aboard the Nova 5 were, in fact, dead.

Wait…crap is a serious swear word somewhere.

THE MORE YOU KNOW.

>I’d be surprised if it ever came out of Doctor Who’s mouth
Honestly, hearing the Doctor say “go to hell” at the end of Series 8 was shocking enough. His language is extraordinarily tame, except when he’s telling Daleks to spack off

1. “Bollocks” is easily one of the funniest-sounding swear words. It’s never not funny. I submit Blackadder and Father Ted as additional evidence for this.

2. The scene is funnier precisely because it’s unexpectedly coming from Kryten’s mouth.

3. Judging by the fact that it immediately trended on Twitter on the night of broadcast, I’d say it’s absolutely t-shirt worthy.

I didn’t mind the Snacky reveal, but it was just sort of there and there was no real pay off.

Um…the reveal is the payoff?

(Kryten and Rimmer don’t get to see, I mean.)

Probably, but then you’re in the realms of saying they should have just written a completely different episode.

Reveal it to the audience early: audience laughs every time the crew make an incorrect assumption.
Reveal to the audience at the same time as the crew: audience laughs once.

You don’t get laughs ‘on credit’ when the audience thinks back to all the times they were incorrectly assuming something. That would only work on a rewatch.

>The same goes for Kryten and the deceased female crew of the Nova 5. I remember laughing so hard at that scene when it originally aired.

What’s your point here? As Ben has already been pointed out, we know the crew are deceased before Lister, Rimmer and Cat. Saying revealing Snacky’s identity at the end would be “more like Series I-VI” doesn’t really square.

I never said it wasn’t funny, I just said it wasn’t t-shirt worthy. It -is- funny

I never thought the Snacky jokes were run into the ground, but I thought Butler teaching Kryten GELF speak was. Interesting how different people have different opinions on the same thing, innit.

Mmm, the ‘maargh’ bit was, for me, an absolutely perfect example of a joke stopping being funny and then going back into funny again through the sheer amount of repetition. I’m sure TV Tropes has a name for this kind of joke, but I’m not going to look it up.

What bothers me about that joke is that they have clearly taken bits from different takes and stitched them together to make one long gag.

Next time you watch it look at Cat’s hand movements. He does the same thing from 3 different angles that looks like it’s taken from the last “margh” of each take, a kind of fed up this is so simple why is it taken Kryten so long to get it gesture.

BDTS: kinda wanna join in on this re-watch if it’s okay with u? I just started on XI again tonight. I don’t wanna highjack your thread tho? x

I don’t mind the joke but I do agree it goes in abit long.

It seems like Doug likes to push a joke to see how long the audience will laugh at it.

Oh, yeah, still modelling. Glad you liked them ;-)

oh god please stop

They’re all the wrong thread.

In many? lol.