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  • #3726
    si
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    Have any US G&Ters seen this yet? It’s on over here next week, and looks pretty good.
    The Radio Times:

    Here’s a new sitcom that does for sword-and-sorcery adventures what Red Dwarf did for sci-fi.

    What’s not to like?

    #99615
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Oh, look, it’s Matt Lucas.

    #99618
    pfm
    Participant

    The clip I saw of it was shit. Still, there’s no harm in checking it out.

    #99623
    Blisschick
    Participant

    I thought it looked funny and tried to watch it, but in the end, I removed it from my TiVo. It’s not near as interesting as it sounds.

    #99627
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I caught a trailer for it. it looks awful. Matt Lucas’ acting looks sub-community theatre, and the jokes seemed incredibly juvenile and stupid.

    #99634
    ChrisM
    Participant

    The trailer I saw didn’t look to great. I like the idea though. Fantasy sitcom hasn’t been done before (that I know of.)

    #99636
    J_Spaced
    Participant

    Elvenquest just finished on Radio 4 (last chance to catch the last episode on iplayer) and I’d recommend people seek that one out. I’m hoping to get it on CD. Very entertaining take on the swords and sorcery genre.

    I joined the series midway in an episode where the “American-Film-Trailer-Probably-That-Guy-From-Epideme” voiceover guy said:

    “If you enjoyed Lord of the Rings …. Well good for you.”

    Has one Sophie Winkelman, Stephen Marchant from Green Wing and Alistair McGowan and I found it an amusing diversion.

    My current favourite is the anthropomorphised dog, Amis.

    #99637
    pfm
    Participant

    > Matt Lucas? acting looks sub-community theatre

    So just like always then.

    #99854
    Jo
    Participant

    Hey… now wait a minute. I hate Little Britain as much as the next person but Matt Lucas used to be good – I blame David ‘I’m such a twat I can’t even spell Williams’ Walliams for his downward spiral.

    Pls see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPsY_nhTtxg

    and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xinLivR8Sp0

    #99856
    pfm
    Participant

    George’s songs are brilliant! I hope they do more for the new series of Shooting Stars.

    I reckon Walliams is easily a better actor than Lucas, though Matt is tons better at everything else (like being funny for instance). Walliams really should just go down the proper acting route, i.e. just piss off trying to do comedy shows.

    #99862
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I reckon Walliams is easily a better actor than Lucas, though Matt is tons better at everything else (like being funny for instance).

    The second series of Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased) proves otherwise. Lucas was fantastic in his episode, while Walliams just came across as an insufferable cartoon prat.

    #99865
    littlesmegger
    Participant

    Randall & Hopkirk, now that was a series I think deserved at least one more series. Vic & Bob weren’t as bad as people made out I don’t think.

    Plus it gave us footage of our current Doctor dressed as a homocidal maniac bride slicing things with chainsaws. Can’t say anything else has provided that!

    #99868
    JamesTC
    Participant

    BFA provided Tennant as Jaime the mentally handicapped guy in the wonderful story ‘Medicinal Purposes’, such a great performance too.

    #99874
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >I reckon Walliams is easily a better actor than Lucas, though Matt is tons better at everything else (like being funny for instance). Walliams really should just go down the proper acting route, i.e. just piss off trying to do comedy shows.

    Lucas has bags more talent than Walliams. I’ve never seen either of them do any proper acting, but I will say that Walliams has about three different voices/characters in his repertoire compared to Lucas who has a limitless supply.

    The Lesbians song never fails to make me laugh.

    #99905
    Alex
    Participant

    I’ve only seen Walliams do proper acting once in the BBC 4 drama about Frankie Howard. Now in that he wasn’t too bad but i guess thats the exception to the rule.

    #99935
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Ok. I saw the first episodes. Very cheesy humour. Rather silly. Some parts made me laugh though. Particularly the general’s demise. “That’ll probably do it.” Very attractive female sidekick (although I guess that goes without saying.)

    It needs to improve a lot (or maybe the humour isn’t quite for me, although as I said some of it made me laugh) but it’s watchable so far.

    #99937
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >Very attractive female sidekick (although I guess that goes without saying.)

    India de Beaufort, right? She’s very purty. She was my number one reason for watching this…but I forgot.

    #99941
    pfm
    Participant

    She’s cummy. I also ‘forgot’ to watch this. Was it worth it, anyone? Is it Pratchett-like in any way?

    #99944
    ChrisM
    Participant

    >Is it Pratchett-like in any way?

    Not really, no. That would be an improvement.

    That being said it’s not all bad. Worth watching to see how it goes.

    #99954
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I always thought a Discworld TV series centering around City Watch would do well. “Guards! Guards!” would make a good pilot, and from there let it go off on its own with the characters. Each season could include adaptations of a Watch story, too – have “Theatre of Cruelty” in the middle of season one and end it with “Men at Arms”, and then have “feet of Clay” in season two, “Jingo” in season three, “the Fifth Elephant” in season four, and so on.

    I’d watch that. I’d watch that so damned much.

    #99958
    pfm
    Participant

    Going Postal is the next to be adapted by the same company that did Hogfather (which I’ve still not seen) and The Colour of Magic. I’d really like to see them do ‘Mort’ or ‘Guards! Guards!’ but they’d need serious money to do either of them justice. I’ve not read ‘Going Postal’ (yet) so I don’t know how big it gets.

    #99960
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Going Postal is fantastic.

    #99967
    ChrisM
    Participant

    That’s a great idea about a series based around the City watch. Lots of interesting characters in those stories.

    As for the Discworld films, so far I’ve only seen The Hogfather. The Colour of Magic came out when Sky 1 was removed from my cable package. It’s back now, but these films appear once in a while.

    #99968
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I’m 7 mins and 22 second into watching the first episode on iPlayer.

    Review: It’s really shit.

    #99974
    pfm
    Participant

    The Colour of Magic film is OK, even though David Jason only just gets away with being Rincewind. It’s worth it for Tim Curry (Trymon) alone, and the sets and effects aren’t bad at all for TV.

    #99981
    SkyAndSun
    Participant

    I’m actually laughing quite a lot as I watch this on iPlayer – for instance, at the pleasingly un-PC slut girlfriend, hehe.

    #99987
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I have The Colour of Magic on DVD. Bloody magnificent, although (as previously mentioned) David Jason only just gets away with being Rincewind.

    Funny, I always thought Rincewind was the role I was born to play. But I don’t think I’ve got the right physical build for it. Maybe if they do some animated stuff I can… moan about not being cast as his voice.

    #99989
    Andrew
    Participant

    Dear BBC,

    The first episode Krod Mandoon was really quite rubbish. But if India de Beaufort is going to keep dancing like that, I can’t guarantee I won’t be watching. So, erm, well done on appealing to at least part of your audience. (You know which part I mean.)

    #99999
    Ridley
    Participant

    The first episode Krod Mandoon was really quite rubbish.

    What about the second they showed straight after?

    I thought it was likeable overall. Mostly. But I really don’t care for the name Krod Mandoon, the character doesn’t reflect the name.

    Maybe if they do some animated stuff I can? moan about not being cast as his voice.

    This counts.

    I’d like to see a live action version of The Last Hero, it’s what I would have picked as an introduction to the series epecially when The Lord of the Rings movies were being released.

    I would also have just called part two of Sky’s The Colour of Magic “The Light Fantastic”.

    #100008
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Eric Idle’s voice is not the voice I hear when I read Rincewind’s lines.

    However, I would like to point out that whenever I read Sam Vines, I hear Philip Glenister. He is cemented in my mind as Sam Vimes now.

    #100062
    Ridley
    Participant

    I liked this this guy for live action Rincewind.

    #100070
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I thought he was a bit too over the top. And Australian.

    #100103
    J_Spaced
    Participant

    I found bits of Krod Mandoon funny but I loathed the American “comedy” method of laying out a joke for you, then labouring heavily on the build up before sticking a funny face on the end of the punchline.

    Anneke likes sex. No kidding? How funny is this going to be throughout a series? Will she contract an alarming STD? Unlikely.

    I did like SuperMac from Ashes to Ashes being “turned” gay after two weeks in prison, but I think Krod Mandoon has some serious stereotyping issues.

    The black guy is a con artist, the attractive woman is a slut and the first openly gay man we see is what… puerto rican? It’s almost as bad as Jos Whedon’s hate on black people. (Seriously, how many series of Buffy and Angel? How many black people feature?)

    Ah hell, now I’ve turned into one of those whiny liberals who gets all cross about nothing much in particular on behalf of groups of people who probably couldn’t care less.

    Sorry.

    Krod Mandoon: mostly dull with the odd funny bit. Might get better. Funniest moment, I thought, was stabbing the wrong lord at the table.

    #100104
    Jo
    Participant

    People need to stop bitching about Joss Whedon before I start hurting them.

    #100135
    ChrisM
    Participant

    >I did like SuperMac from Ashes to Ashes being ?turned? gay after two weeks in prison,

    That’s where I saw him before! I couldn’t place him.

    And I liked that joke too.

    #100105
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >Seriously, how many series of Buffy and Angel? How many black people feature?

    Heard of Gunn? He was one of the main characters for fuck’s sake.

    #100140
    Dave
    Participant

    >Seriously, how many series of Buffy and Angel? How many black people feature?

    Actually quite a few, good and bad, Sunnydale is cited by a black vampire as “not exactly a haven for the brothers, strictly the caucasian persuasian in the ‘dale”, but it never seems like tokenism, we’ve had black vamps, slayers, victims, potential slayers, civilians, teachers, high school pupils, Uni students. If you don’t feel there was quantity, there was definitely variety. The black parts in Whedon’s work have alweays been quality parts. Meanwhile in LA they do a great job with Gunn, Gunn’s friends and perhaps more importantly Gunn’s community. And that’s before we get to Firefly..

    I’m not going to count on my fingers the number of black faces per season, but spare a thought for Friends. I’ve never been to New York, but Friends makes it look whiter than Chipping Norton, so I think Joss Whedon does very good job

    #100161
    J_Spaced
    Participant

    Ah, see now I’m going to look like a two-faced idiot, but I REALLY like Buffy, Angel and Firefly. I just thought it was funny that throughout Buffy it’s largely white-centric, with a couple of black vampires, that Mr. Trick, was it? Oh look! Black Slayer. Dead. Then there’s the headteacher. Ooh, he’s not a stereotype or a bad guy. Whoops, I was wrong, he’s a bad guy. Then you just have to look at who’s left standing at the finale of Buffy.

    I agree that Angel did a better job representationally. I liked Gunn as a character and I laughed at: “Y’all can cater to the demon, cater to the dead man, but what about the black man?” Lovely bit of parody.

    On reflection race isn’t really a Buffy or Angel “issue” as much as Good v. Evil, so I think my first, overly flippant post overstated things a bit.

    I must’ve missed Mr. Trick (that may or may not be the name but I’m not looking it up) with his “caucasian persuasion” line because that basically underscores the whole point and undermines mine completely.

    I thought it would be obvious to anyone with eyes and/or ears that Jos Whedon is a very cool creator of very cool TV, hence my OTT “hate on the black people” comment.

    Sorry for any perceived offence.

    My other point still stands though: Why isn’t the con artist in Krod Mandoon white? Why is the black guy from Brooklyn or wherever? In short, their playing to a sloppy comedy stereotype and generally being lazy. But then I’ve only sat through episode one.

    #100178
    ChrisM
    Participant

    >Why isn?t the con artist in Krod Mandoon white?

    Equal opportunities goes for bad stuff as well as good. I get what you mean though but I think you’re making to big a deal of it. It’s a comedy and as such it’s going for stereotypes. Comedies don’t have to do that, but it’s a way to go and isn’t intentionally racist, although it is a bit tired. We know all black people arent’ like that just as we know Irish people aren’t all stupid or English are all stiff and repressed*.

    I didn’t really see him as a con artist anyway. More a rubbish wizard. (Although I see how you got the con artist bit setting himself up to be better than he is, and all.) I.e. in the second episode he actually did cast a spell, the flash bomb, albeit it wasn’t the one he intended.

    *although a lot of us are. ;)

    #100193
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    And where the fuck are all the black people in Clangers?

    #100202
    Ridley
    Participant

    Johnny…

    #100206
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Principal Wood wasn’t a bad guy. Buffy suspected he might be, then it turned out he wasn’t – he was the son of a Slayer Spike had killed. Wood tried to kill Spike, but that was a revenge thing not an evil thing.

    #100224
    Andrew
    Participant

    We’ve seen at least four black slayers in the show as well, in fact. (The original slayer, Wood’s mother, Buffy’s immediate successor and one of the girls in the multi-slayered series conclusion.)

    Thing is, Buffy’s setting is ‘Sunnydale’ not just ‘America’. It’s a somewhat satirical nevertown based on a very particular view of a particular part of California. It’s not LA. It’s SUPPOSED to be a little bit…well, ‘small town’. Narrow of mind and Republican in outlook.

    While the nature of the town changed as the series went on (eventually it got a bloody airport!), originally it was a tiny place with one cinema, one club, one high school. It was never intended as ‘representative’ of the whole country, but rather a dig at small-world California attitudes. As has been noted, Mr Trick vocalises exactly this point – it isn’t a melting pot. It’s a stand-offish, suspicious and phobic little town.

    #100229
    J_Spaced
    Participant

    >And where the fuck are all the black people in Clangers?

    I think you’ll find Major was a brother.

    #100320
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    > David ?I?m such a twat I can?t even spell Williams? Walliams for his downward spiral.

    Pedant mode: His name is Williams. He had to take Walliams as there is already a David Williams on the Equity members list. Same reason Julian Pettifer took Barratt as his surname, to destinguish himself from the reporter Julian Pettifer. And David ‘David Jason’ White.

    #100322
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Latest episode had me chuckling silliness aside.

    Psychoville was really good though. Twisted stuff and very funny.

    #100327
    Dave
    Participant

    >Pedant mode: His name is Williams. He had to take Walliams as there is already a David Williams on the Equity members list.

    Thanks for explaining this, I couldn’t be bothered. My name is also David Williams, but Equity won’t allow more than one so now I’m David Black, because I decided to find a completely new name rather than a new vowel.

    #100328
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Hi! I’m Daisy!

    #100354
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    We Sky Plussed last week’s Krod Mandoon, and didn’t get round to watching it. So we decided to just watch the second episode as it went out. Immediately after it finished, I went and deleted last week’s episode and removed the series link from my planner. A massive, massive pile of shit.

    #100357
    Dave
    Participant

    >Hi! I?m Daisy!

    Like a little flower.

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