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  • #2189
    cliff
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    Come on, i know it’s hard but if you have a favourite you gotta have a least favourite.

    I’ve put least favourite as apose to worst episode cause i believe every episode has it’s good points.

    Personally i tend to avoid Holoship on season v dvd, but then i do have feelings for Jane Horrocks!….may have to re-think this!.

    #120641
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    i believe every episode has it?s good points.

    I think you’re forgetting Pete Part Two.

    #120642
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Indeed. And about 15 other episodes.

    #120643
    cliff
    Participant

    oh, er yes, when i talk about red dwarf episodes i kinda overlook series 7&8.

    #120644
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    What a coincidence. So do we!

    #120648
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Pete Part 2, BITR Part 3, Beyond a Joke, Ouroboros.

    #120651
    Andrew
    Participant

    Waiting for God, Camille, The End, Nanarchy, Pete.

    #120654
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Just curious, Andrew – what about Camille doesn’t do it for you? I know it doesn’t usually make people’s “favourite” lists, but it generally seems to be middling or thereabouts in people’s opinions, from what I’ve seen. Would be interested to see why you hold it as a least favourite…

    #120655
    Andrew
    Participant

    It always used to rank low, as far as I recall. And even your own poll only pegs it 30, which is pretty low – in the bottom fifth, in fact – once you knock out VII and VIII.

    For me, I find the whole episode quite clunky – scene after scene that doesn’t quite work:

    – Kryten’s life being saved never felt dangerous to me.
    – The first meeting with Camille jumps to ‘being in love’ in under four minutes, in real-time.
    – I never feel romantic chemistry between the characters (which is ironic given the casting, but sticks to the tedious truism of real-life couples on-screen).
    – Speaking of which, Suzanne Rhatigan’s performance doesn’t work for me.
    – I think laughs are inhibited by the clever cutting around Camille’s various forms (which is not to say that you should never do that, it’s just an observation).
    – Once the big discovery is made – in a fairly flat way, which oddly requires Lister to have the knowledge and do the exposition – the story has little else to do…so settles for some ho-hum dating scenes and then pulls a ‘oh, didn’t we mention it?’ ending. One that certainly deserved a proper set-up, and doesn’t really make much sense. (Hector has a ship, a means to find and board Red Dwarf, but somehow left Camille on a dying planet?)

    I could also mention the sexual politics, which I still find a bit…awkward. Camille’s not a great female character in any of her forms – which we get away with because it suggests that what our boys want is someone not too strong-willed who’ll hang on our every word. Only…I’m not sure that IS a perfect mate. It’s an idealised one, arguably, but superficial; and it nags at me that THEY don’t get to be funny. Dwarf doesn’t have a great history of female characters, and this isn’t the worse offender, but…couldn’t one incarnation be strong and funny?

    It’s none of those particularly, though. I could do a list of great stuff just as easily – two Cats, learning to lie, a stack of great lines and some nice imagery – so the rest is just the vagaries of taste. I kinda agree with Rob Grant, that Series IV doesn’t reach as far to be special as II, III, V and VI. (Though I have a lot of love for DNA and Justice.) Still, in the end, it’s an episode that leaves me flat at the end, and it’s rare that Dwarf does that to me.

    #120659
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    Usually my least favorite episodes are not because of any lacking story arc, it’s because they’re usually the first episode of various series. I get bored of them. Not so much recently, really but when we had taped them off of TV, we used to watch various series on various night, me and my brother and we’d never get passed the first episode or so, so we used to get a little sick of Camille and Holoship (this was before the Full re-runs you see). So, yeah. When I had to compile my list for the 51 Best Eps thing, i felt so guilty about where certain ones were going, but my tastes vary a fair amount. I’m in the middle of an ‘early series’ stage at the moment…

    #120661
    Phil
    Participant

    When we did the G+T favorites list, we ranked every episode. Here’s my bottom ten from that list:

    Pete II
    Back in the Red III
    Stoke Me a Clipper
    Emohawk
    Dimension Jump
    Timeslides
    The End
    Duct Soup
    Waiting For God
    Beyond a Joke

    Yes, yes, I know, at least a few of those are going to upset people, but it’s how I honestly feel. Couple that with the fact that I allowed many VII/VIII episodes to escape the bottom 10 may well render me the least popular person here.

    #120662
    Andrew
    Participant

    Stoke surprises me, Phil, but I’d say that was a respectable list. I’ve never had Dimension Jump in the top half of my list, and Emohawk isn’t unreasonable either.

    You have officially risen in my estimation. And my pants.

    #120663
    Phil
    Participant

    Stoke has a lot going for it…there’s just something about it that doesn’t QUITE make it gel for me.

    The thing is…making the list…yes, it might seem as though something coming in 35 out of 51 means you must not like it much…but that isn’t necessarily true. It’s just that you like 34 things better than that one. There are very, very few Red Dwarf episodes I can really say I don’t enjoy. In fact, it’d be the bottom three from that list, and that’s about it.

    I don’t think it’s that I cut VII/VIII any slack, either, nor that I’m easy to please. It’s just that all of the episodes, for the most part, do at least SOMEthing that brings me joy.

    You listed Nanarchy, and it seems that a lot of people dislike that one. Whereas I personally think it’s great, and maybe the second best of VII. It’s funny just how widely opinions can vary when we all, basically, love the same show.

    #120664
    Andrew
    Participant

    > There are very, very few Red Dwarf episodes I can really say I don?t enjoy

    I think that caveat – late-series debates aside – goes more or less without saying. I’d still take the eps at the bottom of my list over an awful lot of TV. When rewatching the series, I don’t skip them – there’s plenty of pleasure to be taken.

    (Come to think of it, there’s only one episode of ANY show I genuinely adore that I actively avoid – and it’s “The Long Goodbye”, an episode of The West Wing’s fourth season showing CJ going back home to see her ailing father and attend her school reunion. Or something. It’s so utterly…wrong for the show that it feels like Sorkin allowed it to happen only after losing a bet. AND it’s got Matthew Modine in it. Yeesh.)

    #120668
    Mr Flibble
    Participant

    BT were using Timeslides to promote BT Vision in the Arndale Centre today. Some sad git was stood there watching it.

    If I go through there tomorrow and they’re doing the same, I’ll tell them to choose a better episode (although I quite like it).

    #120669
    John Hoare
    Participant

    Phil! What have you got against Timeslides? It’s one of my favorites. You dorty fecker.

    As for Camille – I still think it’s a great episode, but the problem I have with it is I think they let the parody guide the story too much near the end. Which I don’t think suits Dwarf at all.

    #120671
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Phil, you’re a sick fuck, you know that?

    #120672
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > (Come to think of it, there?s only one episode of ANY show I genuinely adore that I actively avoid – and it?s ?The Long Goodbye?, an episode of The West Wing?s fourth season showing CJ going back home to see her ailing father and attend her school reunion. Or something. It?s so utterly?wrong for the show that it feels like Sorkin allowed it to happen only after losing a bet. AND it?s got Matthew Modine in it. Yeesh.)

    I know what you mean. For a show that’s managed to build such brilliant characters in the middle of what can only be described as a cacophony for three years, it seems so heavy handed and limiting to suddenly show so much of one character’s family problems. I remember Sorkin saying something in an interview about The West Wing showing what happens before and after what you normally see of The White House, and I like that they did that with the characters, too. Only showing snippets of events that other show would dedicate episode upon episode to. We didn’t see a long and painful discussion between Sam and his dad in Somebody’s Going to Emergency, Somebody’s Going to Jail and that was a million times more effective for it.

    #120674
    TheLeen
    Participant

    1. Duct Soup
    2. Duct Soup
    3. Duct Soup
    4. Duct Soup
    5. Duct Soup

    #120678
    Andrew
    Participant

    > We didn?t see a long and painful discussion between Sam and his dad in Somebody?s Going to Emergency, Somebody?s Going to Jail and that was a million times more effective for it.

    Exactly. Long Goodbye what any old TV drama could do (and with zero plot twists or turns, either). It was a John Wells ER-like move, plenty of mawk, and WW is jus so much better than that.

    I’ve only seen the ep twice. On subsequent rewatching of the DVD I skip past it, which is extremely rare for me.

    #120679
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > I?ve only seen the ep twice. On subsequent rewatching of the DVD I skip past it, which is extremely rare for me.

    I usually take the rough with the smooth, even if I know an episode I’m about to watch is a bit bobbins. I’ll be coming up to my second watching of season 4 again soon, but I don’t think I’ll skip it. It’s such a painfully brilliant season that I’ll just make sure I watch the episodes either side of it in the same sitting :)

    It’s interesting, actually, that CJ really does end up feeling like the main character, especially after we lose Sam. She gets two introspective episodes and an ever so slightly improbable promotion to Chief of Staff, where as everyone else seems to be treated far more evenly. Allison Janney must have one hell of an agent.

    #120685
    Somebody
    Participant

    5. Ouroboros
    4. Ouroboros
    3. Ouroboros
    2. Ouroboros

    And the worst RD episode ever ISSS…

    Ouroboros

    #120690
    pfm
    Participant

    Episodes I don’t like – Waiting For God, Camille, BITR (most of it), Epideme/Nanarchy (ugh), Ouroboros, DNA, Emohawk, Rimmerworld.

    When I say ‘don’t like’ I still mean ‘like’ because…well, it’s Red Dwarf and I do love it in a way (like how Alan loves Sonja). There are laughs in all of the episodes I listed.

    What about the worst SCENE in Dwarf??

    My personal pet hate is the chewing-gum-gets-covered-with-hair-and-stuck-to-people sequence. God it’s dire and goes on forever. I hate it much more than the Blue Midget dance.

    #120692
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I don’t understand all the hate for Waiting for God. I love it, personally – it’s probably my second-favourite episode of the first series, and it’s definitely in my top five list. I love the way it picks apart religious precepts and notions. But then again, I’m fascinated with the concept of religion, so maybe that’s just me.

    Least favourite episode overall, though? Probably Terrorform.

    #120693
    John Hoare
    Participant

    No, I’ve never got the hatred for Waiting For God either. It has the worst line of Series 1 – “So what else is new?” – but I think it’s fine, and I think the two storylines work well together. (Although as I’ve said before, the notion that there are no aliens – and the audience is expected to be automatically on Lister’s side – feels slightly odd.) Never understood the dislike of the temple scene, either. Maybe it’s just because it feels atypical for Dwarf.

    Terrorform is fucking great though, you nutter.

    #120694
    Dave
    Participant

    Beyond A Joke.

    Episode title or review? Discuss.

    #120695
    John Hoare
    Participant

    Once you get past Stoke – which I don’t even like very much – it’s only Blue that holds any interest for me in VII (and that’s only for the final scene). At the very least, it’s not the kind of telly that interests me in the slightest, the odd joke or line aside.

    Pete has a million and one problems, and I don’t think it’s very good telly either – but it’s at least trying to do something that I enjoy. For that, it ranks above most of VII for me.

    #120696
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    What about the worst SCENE in Dwarf??

    The Potato eating virus makes me cringe and I feel embarrassed watching it, Craig’s sudden fake laughter (he’s feigned laughter better than that before! (See ‘Blue’ with the reverse psychology scene)) and the music is just… shit.

    #120697
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    > It has the worst line of Series 1 – ?So what else is new??

    Are we talking about the toaster’s line here? Why’s that, John? I quite like it…

    #120698
    ChrisM
    Participant

    A lot of people seem to dislike beyond a joke. It’s probably my favorite from season 7. Sure it’s got some plot holes but it’s a lot of fun. We’ve got Jane Austin world, multiple heads exploding (come on that was funny) and killer simulants and of course Able. The ending was a bit hokey, (which still works ok since it’s hardly a serious show) but otherwise great stuff I thought.

    My worst… probably a toss up between some of the season 8 stuff (not bad but dragged a bit for my liking) and Confidence and Paranoia. Actually I quite liked the dream hallucinations to start with but for some reason found the Confidence character irritating. That my own prejudism though, as the character was supposed to be irritating I guess. To be fair it wasn’t badly written.

    #120699
    Joey TORDFC
    Participant

    Waiting for God has one of my favourite jokes ever in it (garbage pod) so it has to be up there for me.

    Least favourite? The Last Day. Kryten’s wet drippyness annoys me in some episodes and this is one of them.

    #120709
    pfm
    Participant

    > Least favourite episode overall, though? Probably Terrorform.

    These words are BLASPHEMY!!!!!!

    > Least favourite? The Last Day

    DO – NOT – BLAS – PHEME!!!!!!!!!

    I 100% get the dislike (‘hatred’ is a little strong) for Waiting For God. All the cat stuff is really bad IMO. It’s actually improved upon in the Re-mastered. In fact, it’s one of the only episodes that’s better in it’s Re-mastered form, so what does THAT say?? Rimmer is way OTT and stupid in this episode too. His whole obsession with aliens gladly disappated later on. The cat priest scene is dreadful. The whole history of the cats is too ridiculous and unbelievable.

    The fact is, if they had done this story later it would have been handled much better.

    #120720
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Ah yes, but what really makes Waiting for God work for me is, as previously mentioned, the Religious satire. That really worked for me, and it’s an idea Will Self would later explore in his novel “The Book of Dave,” and I just thought it was well-written and superbly executed.

    The dialogue between the Cat Priest and Lister near the end is also alarmingly touching stuff. Despite Lister’s apprehensions about being the Felis Sapien equivalent to God, he is still prepared to say what he believes the Priest wants to hear. The only thing that doesn’t work for me in that scene is the rather exaggerated fall of the Priest as he dies.

    The Quagaar/Garbage Pod plot, on the other hand, seems less to me about Rimmer’s obsession with alien life and more about his bald-faced denial of the notion that he will never, ever be able to have a solid physical form again (or at least as far as they are aware at the time). For him, the fascination is not that there are aliens themselves, but rather that there are aliens who might be able to build him a new body – he’s jumping to an unlikely conclusion in desperation here.

    Thematically, it’s the strongest episode of the first series, and it has some cracking jokes in it to boot. Perhaps I’m reading far too much into it – like people who assume that They Might Be Giants’ “Birdhouse in your Soul” is about God when it is, in fact, about a plug-in Night Light – but it’s an episode that really works for me and it’s probably in my personal Top Ten.

    #120721
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >The only thing that doesn?t work for me in that scene is the rather exaggerated fall of the Priest as he dies.

    Or the way he moves his leg after dying.

    #120736
    Phil
    Participant

    >They Might Be Giants? ?Birdhouse in your Soul? is about God when it is, in fact, about a plug-in Night Light

    I haven’t done much (or…any) research on the band, but I’d have thought the night-light would have been pretty easy to come by! After all, I managed to arrive at it just in passing.

    Though I’m sure the God angle is an interesting–if flawed–one. Next time I listen to the song I’ll keep that in mind and see if anything clicks. So to speak…

    #120741
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    They also did the theme tune for “Malcolm in the Middle” which was created by Linwood Boomer who produced Red Dwarf USA.

    It’s all connected.

    #120748
    John Hoare
    Participant

    The Quagaar/Garbage Pod plot, on the other hand, seems less to me about Rimmer?s obsession with alien life and more about his bald-faced denial of the notion that he will never, ever be able to have a solid physical form again (or at least as far as they are aware at the time). For him, the fascination is not that there are aliens themselves, but rather that there are aliens who might be able to build him a new body – he?s jumping to an unlikely conclusion in desperation here.

    This is a very good point, and not one that had really clicked with me.

    Of course, now we’ve got Bodysnatcher, all that makes a lot more sense. You can see echoes of Bodysnatcher all over that section of Waiting For God

    #120749
    John Hoare
    Participant

    > It has the worst line of Series 1 – ?So what else is new??

    Are we talking about the toaster?s line here? Why?s that, John? I quite like it…

    Sorry, but I hate it. I really, really, really hate it!

    I’ve gone on about the iguana line before, but I over-egged that a bit – I don’t think it’s that bad. But I despise “So what else is new?” – it completely over-explains the parallel, and insults the audience’s intelligence.

    #120750
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    At this point (re: above discussion) I would link to the amazing Tonight Show performance of “Birdhouse”, but it appears to have disappeared from Youtube. BAH. It’s the best live performance in the history of the world ever, as well.

    #120751
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Have the video for Boss of Me instead, as it’s great (notice how Lois doesn’t appear, though, interestingly).

    In fact, what the hell, have some other great TMBG vids :

    Ana Ng
    Don’t Let’s Start

    And if you’ve lived under a rock for the last eighteen years and have never seen it :

    Birdhouse In Your Soul

    #120752
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    This is a very good point, and not one that had really clicked with me.

    Of course, now we?ve got Bodysnatcher, all that makes a lot more sense. You can see echoes of Bodysnatcher all over that section of Waiting For God?

    Exactly. And I’d be willing to chalk up his entire obsession with aliens to this very fact. We never see him mention aliens in The End, nor in any of the pre-leak flashbacks we see. Perhaps the reason the Alien obsession becomes less prominent in later episodes is that Rimmer becomes more accustomed to and accepting of his hologrammatic status…

    #120760
    Phil
    Participant

    >if you?ve lived under a rock for the last eighteen years and have never seen it :

    Birdhouse never was a big hit here in the states. Neither was it even a minor one, that I’m aware. And so I’m glad you posted the video as I’ve never seen it before.

    Funnily enough I watched it as I was getting ready to go out tonight…we went to a karaoke bar for a while and a friend of mine got up and sang, completely coincidentally, Birdhouse in Your Soul. How adorable.

    #120761
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Hmm, apparently “It reached #3 on the United States Modern Rock Tracks chart and #6 on the UK Singles Chart and remains their highest-charting single in both countries. ” (Wiki)

    I know that doesn’t make it a massive hit or anything, but I think it’s fairly well-known – more so than anything bar “Boss of Me”, anyway. And it did well enough that they performed it on the Tonight Show (if you can find that performance, watch it. It’s on the “Gigantic” DVD, which I also highly recommend buying). But yeah, point taken, I know it was never completely huge or anything. But it’s spent the last couple of decades showing up fairly regularly on music TV, from what I’ve seen…

    #120762
    Phil
    Participant

    I’ll be perfectly honest and say I don’t even know what the US Modern Rock Tracks Chart is…so it may not be the best indicator of what’s actually being played on the radio!

    >But yeah, point taken

    Oops! I didn’t actually mean to make a point, I was just thanking you for the video!

    #120775
    Antipodean
    Participant

    I don’t really mind any of the episodes, but my least favourites are “Emohawk” and “Only the Good”.

    I don’t like “Emohawk” because it’s basically three episodes clumsily stapled together, with Ace and Duane thrown in for no apparent reason. It didn’t have a proper structure to it: it was far too much like one of the new Simpsons episodes.

    I don’t like “Only the Good” for many reasons. The main one is that it squashes two episodes’ worth of story into one episode. As a two-parter, with the split just after the Starbugs & Blue Midgets evacuates Red Dwarf, it could have done the story justice. Plus, the ending. Honestly, it’s the 52nd episode and you know you’re not going to make any more – why the hell would you end it on such a crappy cliffhanger? They should have used the original ending.

    #120777
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Emohawk was good up until the Emohawk was sent after the crew. I sometimes think that if the Kitawai tribe stuff had been properly fleshed out a bit, you could probably end the episode at “Change of plan! LEEGG IIIIIIIITTTTTT!!!”

    #120783
    mick
    Participant

    Pin the series VII or VIII DVDs to your wall, throw a dart at the eppisode listing, whatever it lands on will do nicely.

    #120823
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I hold the apparently controversial view that Series VII is not, strictly speaking, bad. I like Series VII, and I honestly believe that the series has some of the finest moments in the entire run of the show.

    VIII is just dire, though. No redeeming value whatsoever.

    #120825
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I hold the apparently controversial view that Series VII is not, strictly speaking, bad. I like Series VII, and I honestly believe that the series has some of the finest moments in the entire run of the show.

    VIII is just dire, though. No redeeming value whatsoever.

    Interesting. Most people seem to prefer 8 to 7. I’m not one of them though… so nice to see I’m not the only one.

    That being said I didn’t hate 8 I just thought it weaker overall than the other series. I thought the change in direction was interesting although the idea that Kryten’s nanobots could resurrect the entire ship and crew was a bit over the top. Then again taking sci-fi ideas to the extreme and having fun with it is one of RD’s main themes.

    The whole dirty dozen in space idea with the canaries was good. And Cassandra was comparable in theme and quality to episodes we’ve had earlier series. I think the main problem was dragging some stories over multipart episodes which could have been done much quicker, and the tendency to cram different story threads into one episode near the end. It gave it a mish-mashed feel, as if Doug had a bunch of gags he wanted out there and crammed them in. I’m mainly thinking of the Archie thread which whilst funny in itself didn’t have much to do with the main thread of that episode. Except in giving the Cat a nasty surprise.

    Overall still good telly though.

    #120826
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >Interesting. Most people seem to prefer 8 to 7. I?m not one of them though? so nice to see I?m not the only one.

    Join the club. We’ve got badges.

    And a magazine. Occasionally.

    #120828
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I’m the treasurer, but unfortunately I’ve spent our last remaining petty cash on a quite delicious looking steak bake.

    #120829

    I?m the treasurer, but unfortunately I?ve spent our last remaining petty cash on a quite delicious looking steak bake.

    Will you at least share? Considering that technically is the club’s property and all.

    I suspect I already know the answer to this one…

    #120832
    Dave
    Participant

    I’ve just seen Red Christmas, Part One. It has made me re-evaluate my least favourites.

    #120833
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > I suspect I already know the answer to this one?

    I’m afraid the steak bake has already been ‘filed’ ‘away’.

    #120834
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    I can’t believe you shoved it up your arse Cappsy. You could have just eaten it…

    #120836
    Phil
    Participant

    I love this town.

    #120837
    Dave
    Participant

    This town ain’t big enough for the both of arse

    #120849
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    Nice to see Duct Soup, five times bashed, Marleen, that gets a big, thumbs up from me. It’s always been my least favourite. I’ve hardly ever rewatched that one. Dull soup I call it.

    In VI they put the crew on Starbug to make it “more confined” for better drama and comedy, then at the start of VII made it expand, then in Duct soup squash everyone into some confined duct water system in order to try and create more confined drama/comedy again. Which is the point at which for me, starbugs layout starts to make the least sense ever.

    I’d overlook this in a better episode but I find lots of the character dialouge, traits and jokes boring in this episode. I normally really like sitcom episodes that follow the small environment setup, like “beast in the cage” in One Foot in the Grave, but it’s been discussed elsewhere how the look and lack of audience in and VII’s action/comedy/adventure direction feel becomes totally wrong for a small environment sitcom setup, where Dwarf has excelled in the past in this.

    Cat’s lack of tact I find dull, the gay theme with kochanski I find dull, Krytens antics are grating by this point. Lister gets maybe one good comedy speach, and
    then it feels like it’s marooned 2 only there isnt a good 2nd character to bounce off. In no other episode do I miss Rimmer and Chris Barrie more.

    The very end of the episode Krytens speach sounds more like notes on the episodes setup, and is far too knowing, and those pipe noise sounds at the start and end, annoy me as much as they were supposed to annoy kochanski.

    It’s better with the Squeaky Gibson story in, which just adds salt into the wound of the broadcast version that the best bit was cut for timing or taste.

    #120850
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >It?s better with the Squeaky Gibson story in

    I thought that was awful and couldn’t understand the hype from CC. It’s just a story without a punchline. The pipes stuff is horrible but I find Cat’s lack of tact moderately amusing.

    It’s better than much of VIII though. Sure, it’s not particularly funny but it has a beginning, middle and an end, as opposed to a load of running around and mugging.

    #120851
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Don’t mind Duct Soup. It’s not particularly funny, but in my estimations it’s not offensively awful like the most of rest of VII.

    Squeaky Gibson went nowhere, Cat’s lack of tact seemed a bit out of character, the pipes business is shite…. oh and the water effect is completely unconvincing.

    As is Lister and Cat’s comedy “rolling down the duct” bit.

    Cringe-worthy stuff which rarely occurred in the earlier series…bar the Justice boots. Always hated that bit but forgave it as it took place within a very funny show. Occasional cheap laughs are excusable.

    #120852
    Dave
    Participant

    The worst bit for me has to be the old Kryten-had-the-map-upside-down-all-along gag. To think they were worried about Beyond A Joke ending on a ‘groaner’.

    #120858
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >starbugs layout starts to make the least sense ever.

    For me it was when it turned out that Starbug had a massive wind tunnel in it. You couldn’t even claim that it was there for secretly testing super aerodynamic advances, BECAUSE THEY’RE IN SPACE.

    #120860
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    It does seem to be a case of a cool location influencing the writing rather than the other way round.

    #120944
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Yes indeed. Why not write it into another episode? Why not let it be part of the Leviathan in Epideme?

    #121024
    Rhodan
    Participant

    My “nightmere season” would be probably this:

    Balance of power (just becouse it?s most boring of it?s season)
    Stasis Leak (primary for continuity issues)
    The Last Day
    The White Hole
    Demons and Angels
    Rimmerworld
    Nanarchy
    Only the Good

    But I?m not fond of Emohawk, Duct Soap and Pete (both parts) either.

    Still I would probably regard The Last Day. Extremely boring and forgettable.

    I also don?t get why Waiting for God is so hated. It?s not exactly masterpiece but I?ve never thought about it as a bad episode.

    #121027
    ChrisM
    Participant

    It does seem to be a case of a cool location influencing the writing rather than the other way round.

    Agreed. I don’t mind too much that they expanded the Starbug set in series 7 but the whole ‘increasing by 200%’ whatever it is wasn’t really needed. I assume the expansion only happened inside the craft, TARDIS style since the ship would look very strange from the outside. Actually I do think the outside proportions are different, to me the back section (the bugs thorax if you like) looks a bit bigger in relation to the cockpit than it does in most of the other series. The corgi model follows that schematic whilst the playset appears to follow series 3-6.

    For expanded sets I think they should have stuck to what we see of the cargo holds in the added ending (you know the Kryten-pop-out-eyes, leave-Lister-stranded scene?) It was more than we saw in previous shows but still believable. That huge hall with the fan though, that didn’t work although it did look very cool.

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