Me² cinema scene bothers the hell out of me

[Bargain Bin Holly]

Okay, so we all know the original Rimmer is kept by Lister while being tricked into believing he was being deleted while the duplicate Rimmer secretly gets erased. But in the cut final scene at the cinema it looks like the other way around!

Watch the deleted scene, when the two Rimmers are at the bottom of the cinema the original (Rimmer in the behind seat) gets up and stands in front the of duplicate (front row), the duplicate goes in the back and you know the rest. but in the final the original just gets up and immediately cuts to the projection finger-puppet scene. It looks like the original Rimmer is deleted! I can’t stand this episode cause of that one scene cut, it bothers me so bad.

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[cwickham]

I’m not sure anyone’s ever pointed this out before. This is groundbreaking stuff.

[Pete Part Three]

There was a bug in the Hologram projection suite, and the two Rimmers exchanged places and oh look I can type with my eyes closed.

[Flap Jack]

Like many viewers, I didn’t notice this famous continuity hiccup any of the times I actually watched the episode before it was pointed out to me, therefore I can’t quite persuade myself to care.

I do sympathise with anyone who is bothered by it, but it ruining the whole episode is a touch dramatic. Me² is the best episode of Series 1 and 31st best episode in all Red Dwarf! (According to the true Pearl Poll i.e. my individual entry in the Pearl Poll.)

[Warbodog]

Probably wise to quit at episode six if you can’t handle an accidental continuity error (that you even know the reason for). You won’t believe what they deliberately do to the continuity later.

The only production-wise things in the whole series that I’ve found too horrifyingly bad and cringey to handle are the CGI light bee coffins at the end of Stoke Me a Clipper and that bit of techno or whatever it is in Beyond a Joke, and those are episodes I don’t like and haven’t seen in almost 20 years. Even the infamous stuff in VIII is tolerable within the established quality parameters of VIII, but those pushed it somehow.

[International Debris]

Even knowing the deleted scene, it doesn’t seem 100% clear which is which to me anyway until Lister tells Rimmer the situation is his fault, so it doesn’t bother me.

[Bargain Bin Holly]

I’d like that tiny bit of scene to be re-added if there’s ever a full complete boxset of every Red Dwarf season or an upcoming boxset of Series I-VIII, just so it clears up which Rimmer is being deleted.

Of course, it doesn’t really matter, like Rimmer (whichever) says, “we’re both the same!”, and its established that the original was the one since Rimmer can remember the events of Future Echoes in Parallel Universe.

But I’d like it to be added as an improvement, that would better the episode’s quality. I always see the Xtended version of Tikka to Ride whenever I’m on a streaming service like Netflix or BritBox, so hopefully it would be made standard too.

[Hamish]

When the DVDs came out a big deal was made of the fact that the episodes were “as broadcast” in order to differentiate them from the Remastered versions. Such a change was really not in the cards at the time.

Of course then there was Marooned were they were forced to include an extra model shot at the end of the episode so it could be recertified, but that is a whole other story…

[Hamish]

Not to mention the Copacabana scene from Terrorform:

James at Last!

[Hamish]

Or I suppose the Chicken McNugget:

Chicken (Mc)Nugget

[flanl3]

Wait, is that Marooned story true?

[Pete Part Three]

Over to John for this story:

Marooned Extended: Again

[Flap Jack]

Me² Remastered fixes the continuity error, doesn’t it?

Looks like you should track down a copy of The Bodysnatcher Collection if you haven’t already got one, Timewave Part Two!

[cwickham]

No, the first time we saw the full version of that scene (which does fix the problem) was when the Series I DVD came out.

[Flap Jack]

?! Then why even bother- oh, forget it.

[Plastic Percy]

I was more angry with ‘Backwards’. When Rimmer walks back into the cockpit after being ejected, his leg brushes the seat and moves it slightly, completely ruining the illusion.

[bloodteller]

to be fair he uses the starbug controls and later pushes the mayday button in Marooned. hes always brushing up against stuff in the early seasons, to the extent that chris barrie was glad when the hardlight stuff was invented, as it meant fans could no longer moan at him about touching stuff when he wasnt meant to.

[Taiwan Tony]

Might Plastic Percy mean that the chair should be moving *until* he touches it?
Erskib

[Ben Saunders]

>and later pushes the mayday button in Marooned
FUCK

[Warbodog]

Don’t worry Ben, he just moved his light bee to his hand or something.

[Ben Saunders]

That’s… that’s…. workable….. I’ll take it

[bloodteller]

what about earlier in the episode when he’s typing on a keyboard and pressing buttons in the cockpit using both hands

[Bargain Bin Holly]

Oh come in Backwards I can here Chris Barrie’s footsteps on the grass when Rimmer and Kryten first land, terrible episode cause of this, one of the worst.

[International Debris]

There’s literally no way to get around some little things – Rimmer’s bedsheets moving when he lies on them, for example – and the inconsistencies between the presence and lack of his light bee. I’ve already filed them under ‘don’t even try’.

[Bargain Bin Holly]

In all honesty though its almost never bothered me when I was binge-watching the entire show a couple months ago and even watching them all again separately.

For moments where Rimmer touches things I just adopt the explanation from one of the novels I can’t remember, it goes something like, “when you see a hologram sitting or laying on something, in reality, they are just hovering a small distance above it.”

[Bargain Bin Holly]

Holly generated those bedsheets, idk, lol

And as for the light bee, I assume the boys just picked up one in-between Series II and Series III

[Ben Saunders]

Rimmer fluffs/adjusts his pillows in a series 2 episode but I can’t remember which one so i have vowed never to watch series 2 ever again lest I see it happen and spin into an uncontrollable rage

[Plastic Percy]

I was being ironic, but oh well.

Another one for the list – when the meteor hits the ship in ‘Queeg’ he slumps over the table instead of falling through it.

[bloodteller]

maybe rimmer actually isn’t a hologram and all this time it’s just been a really elaborate prank on lister. in the final episode he will pull off his H to reveal a normal forehead beneath

[Ben Saunders]

Couldn’t he do that anyway? Doesn’t he, when he becomes Ace?

[Ben Saunders]

When he goes off to become Ace, does Red Dwarf/Starbug stop powering him, and Ace’s ship takes on the load? Is good personality stored in his lightbee or doel they need to do a transfer? Does nobody consider the implications of this and he actually fades away as he runs out of power once he’s out of reach of Starbug and his existence ends? Does Ace’s ship have memory banks to store potentially hundreds of years of different Ace’s memories? Can the current Ace access old Ace’s memories? Can a hologram continue to exist beyond the lifespan of a biological human? Will it go mental? Will it keep ageing?

Should I make separate threads for all of these questions?

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

What if the Inquisitor is a deranged Ace Rimmer having gone mental after millennia trying to do good in the universe, he concludes the best course of action is just to eradicate anyone that hasn’t lived to their full potential, because otherwise what’s the point of him even existing?

[Ben Saunders]

Now that’s some deep fucking lore.

[Ben Saunders]

Just ignore the fact that he is outright stated to be a simulant….

[Ian Symes]

Nah, we all know The Inquistor’s origin story.

[bloodteller]

i clicked on that already knowing it was going to be The Last Temptation Of Kryten, lol. still an absolutely brilliant (if somewhat depressing) piece of fanfiction

[Flap Jack]

The Inquisitor can’t be any of the Red Dwarf crew, because The Inquisitor was erased from history at the end of the episode, and none of the crew disappeared along with him.

Sorry, ambitiously dark fan fiction!

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