New Batman Posters – thread is potentially spoilery!

[Andrew]

Seb, I hope these are making you giddy – all the Dark Knight posters being released this week are lovely! Especially liking this one:

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Batman_The_Dark_Knight/the_dark_knight_movie_poster_harvey_dent.jpg

(It makes sense when you know he’s going to become Two Face.)

Viral fans are out on the streets tonight on a Joker mission. The marketing of this flick has been fab; so much smarter than Iron Man’s ‘clips ahoy’ system.

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[Andrew]

Ooh ooh ooh!

1:06 in the new trailer – that same stunt was in the original teaser as well, but from a different angle. One that didn’t show a driver behind the wheel. (I wanted to think this meant the driver was significant – he’s blurred, but could be Scarecrow-y – but I think it’s just one of Joker’s goons.)

Looking at the shots side by side, the latter version seems to be tweaked to make the car’s roof cave in immediately on impact. There’s a slight delay in the original – land, THEN crunch – so maybe they elected to tweak the shot in post and used the alternate take for it.

[pfm]

It’s been known for months that Dent would become Two-Face in this movie. At Comic-con (I think it was there) at the TDK panel they showed a preview ending with a clip of Dent sitting at a bar the bar guy says ‘Mr Dent, I thought you were dead’ and Dent says ‘Half…’ I always thought that that would be the last shot of the movie but that’s probably not the case now.

[Seb Patrick]

Holy fucking Christ.

Lying in the Gutters have got a picture.

I have to say, I’m disappointed that I’ve been so suddenly spoiled… but on the other hand, if I knew this image was out there, I wouldn’t be able to resist looking at it.

It’s here, but if you can resist it, DON’T CLICK ON IT. Also, don’t click on it if you’re squeamish.

FUCKING HELL is all I can say about it…

[Seb Patrick]

(incidentally, I THINK, going from the column, that that’s concept art, and not an actual still. Nevertheless, it fits with the trailer image, so I imagine it’s pretty close to the final thing…)

[Ian Symes]

Somewhat grimmer than the Tommy Lee Jones version.

[Danny Stephenson]

It’s like the picture of the figure of Dr Claw from Inspector gadget, they show his face and it had tarnished my childhood.

[Andrew]

> It?s been known for months that Dent would become Two-Face in this movie.

The information has been available, sure. But Comic Con isn’t ‘the world’ – the campaign is deliberately underplaying Two Face – and, as has been said umpteen times, the character might not have been appearing in the film at all, beyond a last-minute cameo. You weren’t alone in thinking that.

But as The Man In The Street and he’ll tell you TDK is a Joker/Batman movie. It’s been sold that way, and exceedingly well.

(Oh, and I clicked the image. I wish I had more will power, but I don’t. Thankfully, it’s been taken down…but I imagine I’ll stumble across it before the film’s release. Bah.)

[ChrisM]

I was just looking at a similar thread on the 2000AD forum. A couple of guys posted these pictures, you might find interesting. Screen captures taken from trailers I believe, (i.e. stuff that might have been missed watching the live version.)

Anyhow:

Look closely at the edge of his face.
If you click on it you can zoom in.

Does this guy in the car look familiar?

[Somebody]

DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK. Seriously, don’t. It’s the small image that was in LitG before it got pulled down, and you probably don’t want to see it. So DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK.

:?

[Dave]

Not a patch on the make up in Batman Forever

[Ian Symes]

You know what it reminds me of?

SPOILER IF YOU’VE NOT SEEN THE PICTURE, HIGHLIGHT TO VIEW:

The decomposed version of The Master from The Deadly Assassin and The Keeper of Traken.

[Seb Patrick]

Look closely at the edge of his face.
If you click on it you can zoom in.

Does this guy in the car look familiar?

You did catch the discussion of this very shot just a few posts above yours, right? ;-)

[Seb Patrick]

Despite the fact that Rich had to take it down, AICN have stuck the full picture up anyway. Grab it before it goes down again, if you want.

Amusingly, the talkbackers are calling fake, because it’s “obviously Photoshopped”. YES HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF CONCEPT ART YOU IDIOTS. Also, with stuff like that, Rich wouldn’t post something if there was a chance it was fake…

[Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc]

Hey, Ian, how’d you do that spoiler text, anyway? Is there a handy tag for it?

[ChrisM]

“You did catch the discussion of this very shot just a few posts above yours, right? ;-)”

The one referring to Two face? Yes, but they took that down. (I didn’t see it, but from peoples reaction I get the impression from the subsequent comments it left nothing to the imagination.) Just thought I’d show another one that was a bit more subtle.

Besides the second link was the one more interesting and provides likely proof to speculation of another character returning.

Besides… they’re 2 pics which haven’t been on this thread yet, and that’s kinda what this thread is about right?

Edit- oh ok, that was mentioned too, but it wasn’t posted.

[Ian Symes]

Hey, Ian, how?d you do that spoiler text, anyway? Is there a handy tag for it?

There is, but, erm, you can’t use it, I’m afraid. It involves using ‘font’ HTML tags, which are blocked for non-admin users.

[Seb Patrick]

Yeah, sorry Marbloid – I wasn’t having a go, but I had mentioned the freeze-frame where you saw the edge of the scarring on the face, so I wasn’t sure if you’d seen us discussing it earlier before the full-on picture was posted…

[pfm]

WB has ordered the image to be taken down from EVERYWHERE. Of course, they conveniently waited til everyone had seen it before doing so!

I love it, to be honest. People whining about it not being realistic should consult the tumbler leaping between rooftops in Batman Begins ’cause that was VERY realistic, oh yes! Besides, the design will be refined in the final CG and I doubt we’ll see it in much detail during the movie, especially considering that could get them an R rating (15). This could be how his face looks when it first happens then later on he has it worked on. LOVE the exposed jaw and teeth! Also, no hair. I hate it when he is depicted with freaky coloured hair, it’s just crap. This is the real deal.

[Andrew]

> Of course, they conveniently waited til everyone had seen it before doing so!

Because it takes zero time for that to happen. Obviously.

It takes time to learn that the image is somewhere, time to report it upwards, time to contact the sites, time for them to respond.I don’t think you can reasonably argue that going from ‘first sneak’ to ‘all gone’ in 24 hours suggests any dragging of heels. Anyone who didn’t check the right sites in that short period missed the pic; and not ‘everyone’ looks at movie sites daily.

I like the concept art – yes, I bloody saw it in the end – and can’t wait for the flick. Ever more so.

[Somebody]

Still up here: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/4489.asp

And for when that goes: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/571/toohottofacelmw6.jpg

[ChrisM]

That is quite grim. I wonder if I’ve become hardened to this stuff though as it doesn’t bother me that much. When I was younger it would have really freaked me out I think.

Great make up though.

[Andrew]

> Great make up though.

We’ll see. That’s not make-up, it’s concept art.

From what I’ve read, they were shooting ‘alternate takes’ for the left side of the performance – which was probably reference or mo-cap, seeing as it’s being talked about as a mainly CG effect.

[pfm]

If this works it’s gonna be one of the best effects ever. It would probably be best to do it completely CG as opposed to a big makeup job with CG filling in the impossible parts. This would mean the green paint and little mocap balls all over that side of his face. Or they may need to mocap his whole face.

[ChrisM]

Like they did with Arnold at the end of T3 (the helicopter crash bit)?

Actually it think it would be best to keep it make up. I’m not against CG (quite like it in face when used correctly) but it’s so difficult to make CG applied directly to the face look real. If they can do it well with make up and prosthetics (and they can nowadays, that sort of thing has come a long way.) I think thats the route they should take.

[Somebody]

They couldn’t execute that concept with latex – certainly, not so it would look right in anything except a straight profile shot. The concept involves stripping away skin & flesh, to the point of seeing the teeth through a big hole in the cheek. You can only build up with latex, not strip away.

[Andrew]

> You can only build up with latex, not strip away.

Which, of course, is always where things like Terminator got stuck. Layering an endoskeleton and mechanical eye OVER the real face never quite works.

CGI is going to be ‘as obvious’ to the eye as prosthetics, but yeah, there’s no way this could be wholly executed with make-up. From the shot in the trailer I’m betting some live additions have been made (for shots where you only see the ‘clear’ side of the head, the small bits of edging don’t need post-production money spent when it could be a simple make-up job), but it seems likely that mo-cap CGI will be the way to go.

[Jonathan Capps]

> that mo-cap CGI will be the way to go.

Yeah, no, mo-cap CGI is *definitely* the way to go.

[pfm]

If they use makeup all they can really do is change the colour of his face otherwise it definitely would suffer from the Terminator problem. There’s supposed to be LESS of his face really, not more. Often they build up makeup to the unaffected parts of actors’ faces to try and pull off the effect. They couldn’t do that with Dent though because the right side of his face is supposed to be perfectly normal.

CG all the way.

[ChrisM]

Of course tissue has a tendency to swell up when it’s been wounded too, but I guess it depends on what they’re really looking for.

I think they could still do a passable job with make up and prosthetics, although I agree if they’re going for the ‘eaten away’, which seems to be a case, that could be a problem.

[Phil]

“Through the magic of editing, we are able to finish the film without Ledger.”

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33588.html

[Ben Paddon]

“You’re fired.”

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