‘Red Dwarf- Animated’…New Online Series

[ori-STUDFARM]

Or maybe drink more……or maybe drink less.

[redhead85]

> Or maybe drink more??or maybe drink less.

I work in the wanky world of media (where there’s ‘networking’ and whatnot). I already drink far too much… :-S

[Carlito]

Hey guys, couple of developments in the ole Red Dwarf Animated camp. We were just looking to clarify something really and get some fan feedback.

We’ve been looking at the workload and commitment required to producing an entire SERIES of animated Red Dwarf episodes… it’s a biggie. What started originally as a series of shorts has grown and grown, it’s very difficult to squeeze a satisfying Red Dwarf episode into 15 mins!

At the moment, we’re mulling over the benefits of a feature-length movie over a series. What do you guys reckon? Personally, I think that an extra long movie style episode wouldn’t affect somebody’s decision to sit and watch animated Red dwarf any more than having to keep up with an entire series would. Some people will never watch it, others will give it a shot… some will enjoy, some won’t…

but whereas a series requires the commitment of a viewer to come back time and again (and a commitment from us to create an entire series without even knowing if people will watch beyond the first episode), a movie is a one off project that allows us the freedom of a deeper plot, more leeway for character interplay and at the very least leaves us with a single project to be personally proud of at the end of all the hard work – even if nobody likes it lol. And if they do like it, we can get to work on a series off the back of this. It is nothing more than a fan project after all, no monetary compensation for our time, just the thrill of embracing one of our mutual all-time favourite TV shows in a creative fashion.

Many of you will have seen test animation clips, or viewed the website… how do you think the following one-off “movie” idea compares to the series we’ve outlined in the past?

The crew of the mining ship Red Dwarf are at loggerheads: the lone human being on board, Dave Lister, has become increasingly bored with his aimless existence; the evolved humanesque Cat contributes nothing but vanity and stupidity; reformed mechanoid Kryten remains happily content performing menial cleaning duties and the newly religious hologram Rimmer is at breaking point.

When the shipmates’ attention is drawn to a mysterious planet, a terrifying chain of events begin to unravel which leads to six months going ‘missing’, inexplicable hauntings, sinister androids and the disturbing discovery of a diabolical three million year old plot to take over the universe. The Dwarfers are about to discover first hand that “money is power”, but can they overcome their most chilling threat to date? And what role could a dilapidated mining droid with a very special capability play in the proceedings?

‘RED DWARF: DEUS EX MACHINA – THE ANIMATED MOVIE’. Coming soon, to a universe near you.

So guide us, guys… what is it? Movie or series?

[Beligium]

Personally i would say Movie, but i may be biased ;)

[Carlito]

Hey, hey! Welcome to G&T Damien!

[Jonathan Capps]

> Hey, hey! Welcome to G&T Damien!

Or, more accurately, welcome to the ‘Red Dwarf- Animated’…New Online Series thread which happens to be on G&T.

[Carlito]

Damiens been coming to the site and listening to the Dwarfcasts on iTunes for ages, but never posted on here til now… that I know of, anyway :S

He’s also the real life Moss…

[Jonathan Capps]

> He?s also the real life Moss?

John Hoare is the real life Moss!

[Carlito]

So come on then peeps? Surely some of you have an opinion on this project? Even if you think we’re relentless plugging, shilling idiots lol.

Because there’s some friendly divide in the team at the moment as to which would work best, we’re letting the biggest pool of potential viewers – the Red Dwarf fans – decide the first shape it takes: movie or series?

Choose and pay. Choose. Choose the form of the destructor….

[TheLeen]

I still think series.

I think getting even one episode together is an enormous effort AND an enormous achievement. I really want to see the stuff, and an entire film is so much more likely to fail. AND you would have to keep people interested for a lot longer. (I have stopped writing in this thread because I’m not all that interested in snippets and test footage…)

Also, working with a team of writers is probably a lot easier when everyone’s writing their own episode instead of a team script. I imagine, anyway.

Why don’t you produce one or two short episodes first, and if everything runs smoothly and you can estimate the time and ressources needed for a larger project better, do a film then?

[Seb Patrick]

I think Cappsy’s post above summed up the reason why people haven’t really popped in to comment on this – I think the site regulars would probably prefer it if the people who confine themselves solely to this thread (I’m not talking about you, Carl, or redhead85 – you’re both pretty active contributors all over) actually interacted with the rest of us a bit more. That way we might be more inclined to give a bit back. Also you gave people less than 24 hours before badgering them again – have patience, man!

But I agree with Marleen. Also, if people don’t like the plot (or the title? I hope there’s good reason for calling it that, as it’s a bit of an obvious/overused cliche) of the film, then that’s all you’ve got. But if people don’t like one of your episodes, then you’ve still got others.

[redhead85]

> I?m not talking about you, Carl, or redhead85 – you?re both pretty active contributors all over

I must admit that I daren’t venture into the Doctor Who thread, for fear of being completely outgeeked :-S hehe. I know you guys wouldn’t be cruel, but me saying “the tenth doctor was the best cos OMG David Tennant is so gosh darn cute” might not go down well with proper followers… ^__^

> Also, working with a team of writers is probably a lot easier when everyone?s writing their own episode instead of a team script. I imagine, anyway.

To be honest, the shift between the writing methods of the series and the film wouldn’t really change much. Carl remains the main writer whilst I heckle/help from the sidelines. Carl wrote most of the episodes for the series, whilst I only contributed one. We effectively write a script, swap papers and mark each other’s to refine it further, if that analogy makes sense…

[Kris Carter]

I say channel the effort into making one solid, well crafted half hour episode, and if that works and people want more, give it to ’em.

I’ll give a ten minute fan film a watch. I’ll give a half hour fanisode the benefit of the doubt. If you’re going to try and make a 1 and half hour / 2 hour movie straight off the bat, it better be ‘effin spectacular or people won’t stick around for the long haul.

My two cents…

[Carlito]

> Also you gave people less than 24 hours before badgering them again – have patience, man!

Yeah, apologies, didn’t mean to come across as badgering, it’s just that I had only just finished making those admittedly amateur posters and wanted to get them on here.

> But I agree with Marleen. Also, if people don?t like the plot (or the title? I hope there?s good reason for calling it that, as it?s a bit of an obvious/overused cliche) of the film, then that?s all you?ve got.

Yeah the title came long after the script so it’s not a gimmick, and I think if it ever comes to life you’ll see that it makes quite literal sense to the plot. Also, I don’t know that I’d agree that it’s overused or cliched as a title? That’s news to me anyway, wouldn’t have used it if I thought for a second it was a cliche, the original title was ‘Tiresias’.

> Why don?t you produce one or two short episodes first, and if everything runs smoothly and you can estimate the time and ressources needed for a larger project better, do a film then?

That’s exactly what we’re doing. We have a “pilot” so to speak called Timehole which should be ready and online very very soon… it’s only a little short, probably less than 10 mins in execution, but it’s just a taster and a chance to start getting to grips with the animation etc.

> I say channel the effort into making one solid, well crafted half hour episode, and if that works and people want more, give it to ?em.
I?ll give a ten minute fan film a watch. I?ll give a half hour fanisode the benefit of the doubt. If you?re going to try and make a 1 and half hour / 2 hour movie straight off the bat, it better be ?effin spectacular or people won?t stick around for the long haul.

Well, it would be somewhere around the 70-90 min mark, and if we didn’t intend to make something ‘effin spectacular, we wouldn’t be doing anything at all. The end result wouldn’t be worth the effort unless it was summat we could be proud of.

I guess the reason the film idea came up is because we want to do something big and something soon. If we do a series, it would make more sense to put them online in measured fashion, or people may just forget about them if they are released in dribs and drabs. That means getting every episode in the can before the first one goes out.

That’s probably going to take a year. With a movie, we’re still talking a lengthy period of time, but much less than an entire series. ie. we’ll have our first actual full story online a lot sooner.

Also, if the movie “works” we’ll know we’re onto something worth continuing with and then get the series underway. If it flops, we’ll know not to waste our time and everyone elses on more.

We’ve used words like “movie” and “film” but take away the semantics and all we’re really talking about here is a feature length pilot, which allows us the freedom to really go to town on plot, characterisation, experimentation etc. in a way that a 20 minute episode wouldn’t.

[Beligium]

>> Hey, hey! Welcome to G&T Damien!

>Or, more accurately, welcome to the ?Red Dwarf- Animated??New Online Series thread which happens to be on G&T.

Thank you, but i must insist that i need not be welcomed to every single thread on the site, i fear that to do so would take up much valuable bandwidth and disk space. :)

TBH this is my first posting as although being a bit of a Smeghead, for some reason i’ve never sought it out online before, probably due to not having much to look forward to bar the DVD releases, and to not torture myself with the unending grinding gears of Mr Naylor’s attempts to get funding for the movie. :)

I’d not actually found this site before last night but now have little doubt that i will find it taking up more and more of my leisure time as i peruse your very witty and informative articles, and become hopelessly mired in the need to wax lyrical in your forums about a TV show that has warped my perception and sense of humour since discovering it during series 4 (strangely enough my first episode was Holoship, the exact same episode as Mr Wheatley, a fact which bonded us together in those formative, scaring and quite frankly disturbing days i like to remember as my schooldays).

Any-ways, enough de-railing ramblings, back to the topic at hand, and a hello to all!

[Kris Carter]

That’s a classic Moss post. :)

[Carlito]

Oh, he IS Moss.

I must point out tho Damo, that Holoship was series V. :) and yes it was my first episode too. Correct, sir.

And I thought you were subscribed to the Dwarfcast on your iPod ages ago??

[Seb Patrick]

Tut tut. As has been pointed out, John Hoare is Moss. Even down to the fact that he’s been posting on well-known comedy messageboards as “moss” since years before The IT Crowd started. LINEHAN KNOWS.

[Beligium]

Hey, i never claimed to be Moss, that’s Carl and my girlfriends interpretation due mainly to my working in IT and having incredibly uncontrolable hair… :(

Can’t believe i missed up my series number, damn my inability to remember facts and figures correctly, i shall close my own gills at once to spare us all future indignities…

(I must confess that although i did subscribe to the podcast, i never actually got round to listening to it due to the sheer number of podcasts i subscribed to :()

[Carlito]

lol

I get a name check in one of them :D

[ori-STUDFARM]

I personally think you will keep folks more interested with a series of shorts rather than a longer feature. They need to be long enough to not just be sketches, but short enough to not put anyone off. I rarely watch something on the internet that lasts much more than 10 minutes. I would with Dwarf, but not everyone who happens across it would.

[ChrisM]

As an introduction to a possible series I think the film idea is ok (which is the plan anyway). I’m not keen on the name though, but that’s probably from seeing the phrase so often on various sites. The first time I came across the term was a few years ago in Stephen King’s Dark Tower series. Now it’s used everywhere…

[Jonathan Capps]

Ok, Beligium, a proper welcome from me now:

Welcome!

[Carlito]

I think we’ve come to the conclusion that some will watch a movie, and some won’t. Some will watch an episode just because it’s shorter but then, if we make an entire series, it’s same principle, would anyone watch it ALL, even if they thought it was okay?

Plus… 20 mins is cutting it fine though, how can we truly develop a satisfying plot with all the other elements in just 20 mins? Red Dwarf at its best is a perfect combination of plot, science, comedy and character; something which is incredibly hard to achieve in 20mins. I’m obviously not saying we’re capable of producing “Red Dwarf at its best” – that title belongs firmly to Mssrs Naylor and Grant and everyone else involved – but we want to at least try and bring something out with some artistic merit and creativity that we can be proud to show people.

So, anyway, the decision we’ve come to quite simply covers all bases: we’re bringing in an extra animator to the project (that being me, in my ‘still-can’t-find-a-fricking-job” spare time) and we’re just going to work on both, simultaneously.

For those with patience and interest, we will have a movie length episode. For those who only want a quick watch out of morbid fascination, we’ll have episodes to dip into. Win-win!

[ori-STUDFARM]

Good thinking Batman!

[hummingbird]

I’m probably coming into the discussion a little late on this, but I would think it better to make a handful of short eps first before spending all that time and energy on a full length movie. It would give you chance to assess the general reaction and any criticism, so that you can tweak the format, if you need to.

Not that I’m suggesting it needs tweaking – I haven’t watched any of the little snippets you’ve been posting because I’m waiting to see the finished product.

Anyway, that’s how I’d do it.

[Jo]

> me saying ?the tenth doctor was the best cos OMG David Tennant is so gosh darn cute? might not go down well with proper followers? ^__^

Seb says that all the time. He hearts DT and he *will* fight you for him.

[redhead85]

> Seb says that all the time. He hearts DT and he *will* fight you for him.

*throws off gloves* Come on Seb, bring it…

[karcreat]

redhead85…

Have I ever mentioned how ADORABLE I think your avatar pic is? (Or how JEALOUS I am that you have a Mr. Flibble puppet?? Grrrr…;)

K

[redhead85]

> redhead85?
Have I ever mentioned how ADORABLE I think your avatar pic is? (Or how JEALOUS I am that you have a Mr. Flibble puppet?? Grrrr?;)

Aww thanks ^__^ I LOVE my Mr Flibble puppet! My brother got it for me several Christmases ago…

[Ben Paddon]

As someone who has some experience working with web video, I’d strongly suggest keeping anything you do under the six-minute mark, or at least not going over that mark by much.

[Carlito]

Zero point in doing that, from the perspective of out personal objectives.

I mean, we could produce some six-minute Red Dwarf skits and sketches, sure, but there’s very little artistic or creative merit in that. They’d be as pointless as the mobisodes.

We all wanna develop our skills, it’s just a personal vanity project for us so we’d may as well do it the way we want to. It’s not really about how many people watch, it’s about whether those that DO watch enjoy it, and whether we’re proud of the results.

[redhead85]

See I still think that doing a ten minute ‘Robot Chicken: Star Wars’ style episode would be fab! ^__^

[Seb Patrick]

I mean, we could produce some six-minute Red Dwarf skits and sketches, sure, but there?s very little artistic or creative merit in that. They?d be as pointless as the mobisodes.

This statement absolutely flabbergasts me.

[Seb Patrick]

Also :

>it?s just a personal vanity project for us so we?d may as well do it the way we want to.

That’s absolutely fine, but what was the point in asking everyone’s opinion if you were going to just go along with what you wanted to do anyway? Admittedly G&T isn’t representative of fandom as a whole, but the way I see it, you asked “Movie or shorter eps?”, the majority of people said “Shorter eps”, and you said “Ok, movie it is, then!” I mean, it’s your project, you’re absolutely entitled to do what you want. But I’m seeing conflicting messages from you over how much you’re leaving it open to your potential viewers’ suggestions.

I’m aware that this sounds like I’m getting at you all the time, for which I apologise, but I think these things are worth pointing out.

[Carlito]

> That?s absolutely fine, but what was the point in asking everyone?s opinion if you were going to just go along with what you wanted to do anyway?

Well the reason we asked for opinions was to settle a friendly debate within the team, but that ceased to be relevant when circumstances changed and we just agreed to work on both.

Not that the opinions are irrelevant, that’s not what I mean, just that the argument is settled. What I mean is at no point were we ever considering sub six minute vids. Be it an episode or a ‘feature length’ it will incorporate a full story, not a sketch.

[karcreat]

What he said…;)

K

[Ben Paddon]

I’ve had doubts from the day this thread was posted as to why exactly you guys are doing this, but now those doubts have tripled in size. At first you said that this was “being created by fans for the fans”, which struck me as unlikely. Now you say you’re doing it to hone your skills… well, surely you can hone your skills by starting with smaller skits and working your way up to something longer?

You asked about what sort of length “we” would prefer, and then we gave you an answer, and then you decided to ignore it and do your own thing. It feels very much like you didn’t want to actually hear our response but rather asked in the hope that we’d give you the response you wanted.

Then you dismiss the idea of shorter skits, scenes and sketches as having “little artistic or creative merit” which is easily the biggest load of bollocks I’ve read on this thread.

In all honesty, the reasons for doing this probably boil down to the same reasons I’d love the opportunity to write for the show proper: You love Red Dwarf and you’d love the opportunity to actually play with GNP’s toys for a bit. It doesn’t feel like you’re really doing this for anyone but yourselves, and to pretend otherwise is dishonest and, to be frank, a little offensive.

[Ben Paddon]

And concerning your “full story” notion: You can do that with six-minute episodes. We did it with Boomer’s Day Off – a four-part miniseries consisting of episodes around the 6-minute mark that tell a story. The Guild does this for an entire season. I Am Not Infected, while largely telling an ongoing story, has very defined story arcs. How long are their episodes? Oh, only a handful of minutes.

To say that you can’t tell a full story when limited to six-minute slices is ridiculous.

[karcreat]

Gee Ben, thats a coincidence, as from ‘day one’ of reading your posts here, I personally found YOU to be more than just a lil’ offensive…;)

You strike me as someone vastly full of themselves, very judgmental and a bit on the pious side…but thats ok, you are who you are, and I got that right off the bat…;)

On a serious note, I must state that I find your comments of ‘ At first you said that this was ?being created by fans for the fans?, which struck me as unlikely.’ to be rather ridiculous…who is to say (well, other than YOU that is!) that we cannot create something ‘for fans’ and still not ‘hone our our skills’?

This is simply silly.

Another untrue aspect to your post was the statement ‘You asked about what sort of length ?we? would prefer, and then we gave you an answer, and then you decided to ignore it and do your own thing.’…just plain wong, pal.

We decided to do BOTH a film and a series, to satisfy EVERYONE…sure sounds like we are doing something ‘for fans’ to me.

Also, the project is definitely ‘BY fans’, as we have welcomed numerous RD fans to our staff…so the entire statement of ‘by fans, for fans’ is 100% true.

Finally, your closing statement of ‘ It doesn?t feel like you?re really doing this for anyone but yourselves, and to pretend otherwise is dishonest and, to be frank, a little offensive.’…

In all honesty, I would like to say I am sorry you feel this way, and that you are ‘a little offended’, but I just cannot.

We have rceived numerous emails and read many posts from fans that are very pleased with what we have done, people who are excited and looking forward to our work, but considering your self important attitude via this post of yours, and your obvious contempt for our project, (not to mention a complete misunderstanding of who we are, and what we are trying to do) all I can say is I am glad to know that you are in the minority regarding your statements, at least.

As for the rest of you that have been so supportive and offered advice and opinions that were actually constructive, opinions we listened to and took into consideration…THANK YOU, and I hope we are able to prove successful in our quest to entertain you!…;)

-K

[karcreat]

Hey All!…;)

Update…

We received a very nice/polite email from Grant/Naylor, asking that we please come up with our own theme music and logo for our animations, as this IS a fan work, and not an ‘official’ RD project…we more than understood, and have been having fun since then coming up with our own logo, original yet ‘recognizably RD’ (done!) and we are currently testing music for our ‘theme’ and opening credits…

Speaking of which, here’s a test version of a possible new theme…let us know what you think, and thank you for all of your interest and support!…;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz_XKL8qQdk

-K

[redhead85]

Ben, I’m intrigued – after having read some of your comics for ‘Jump Leads’, I found the concept highly entertaining and clever (and I can spot your influences), but does my opinion not matter in the grand scheme of things? After all, by your point of argument, any self-created project must be for one’s own gratitude and nothing more?

I’m only a contributer to RD Animated so I’m not part of the decision-making in whether the focus was on a film or series – I’ve been a script consultant for the film (and thrown in the odd line here or there), penned an episode of the series, and am hoping to write another. My reasons are not quite as two-dimensional as you seem to think – yes, there is nothing better than getting appreciative feedback from people watching your work (I really don’t think anyone was here to argue that point – the line ‘created by fans for fans’ is a tagline not a missionary statement) but I also wanted to challenge myself to move from prose writing in fanfiction to script writing, as I’ve always found that much more difficult.

Surely if we’re in it ‘for the same reasons’ as you seem to lump us all in with, then why the animosity?

[redhead85]

In fact, I’m fairly sure my last post covered that for me, writing is about the enjoyment of a hobby, the ego-sating nature of nice reviews, and that my goal is to write a novel, not script-writing? Or perhaps you missed that.

[Seb Patrick]

I won’t comment on the other aspects of Ben’s post but he’s absolutely right about the “six minutes” thing (the specific number notwithstanding – we’re talking short films in general here). This is the internet, not television or the cinema. You don’t have a passive audience sitting there for thirty minutes, or a captive audience sitting there for ninety. If you can’t grab attention within the first thirty seconds to a minute of a video, then people will simply go away. That’s just the way internet video works.

A lot of people, and I think you’ve fallen into this trap as well, create things for the internet and structure them based on what they know of television. But it just doesn’t work like that. You need to look at successful examples within the field you’re trying to work – The Guild is a good example as it’s probably one of the most successful out there at the moment, and those eps are between 5-7 minutes long (I think). Red vs Blue is another one. Hell, Dr Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog just won a freaking HUGO. Are you telling me that that didn’t manage to tell a compelling story in the space of three short (okay, 14 minutes each, but that’s still short) episodes? It was tailored for the format.

Just because something’s less than ten minutes long doesn’t mean it’s just a “sketch”. If anything, if your plots can’t fit into a shorter format then there’s probably something wrong with them.

[karcreat]

Thanks for the comments (which nailed the whole ‘doing artistic stuff/why we do it’ on the head, IMO!), redhead85…you rock…

Plus, dammit…YOU ARE SUCH THE CUTIE!!!…;)

(Hey, unrelated note…is the ’85’ in your screenname the year you were BORN?? Can you REALLY be THAT YOUNG and be such a talented writer? JEEZ!!…)

-K

[Ian Symes]

I’ve only just started paying attention to this thread, so sorry to wade in like a big eejit. But yes, you should definitely not put up videos longer than 8-10 minutes if you want anyone to watch them. In fact, eight minutes is probably too long to start off with. I’ve worked on a few successful web series (and by successful I mean millions of views, tens of thousands of subscribers, Emmy nominations and Webby wins – these are professional things, not personal projects) and it’s simply a fact that episodes longer than ten minutes are flops, even on established series. The shorter the video, the more views you get, and the higher the proportion of people who’ll watch all the way through.

Also, karcreat – you do know she’s married, right?

[redhead85]

Personally, I don’t at all disagree with Ben’s/Seb’s/Ian’s comments re: short videos/films etc. A friend of mine is a budding film-maker and has made short (10 mins) as well as feature length and I think they’re as excellent, poignant and loaded as one another, but short films is where it’s at in terms of success initially in the beeezniiiis.

Sorry, what I took issue with was Ben (or indeed anyone) presuming to know what my ambitions/motives/goals in life are just because I’m writing for this project ^__^ Plus I’m in a foul mood anyway with this stoooopid busted knee so perhaps I’m just spoiling for a rumble…

> Also, karcreat – you do know she?s married, right?

Haha, yes he does. We’re friends on facebook.

> is the ?85? in your screenname the year you were BORN??

Indeed, I’m a sprightly 24.

[karcreat]

Also, karcreat – you do know she?s married, right?

LOL!!!!

Yeah, of course…so am I…and even my WIFE says shes a cutiepie!!…;)

(I think redhead85 knows Im just payin’ her a compliment, Im, like, TWICE her age after all…;)

K

[Ben Paddon]

I have to stress redhead, I never aimed any of my barb in your direction. Most of my criticism is aimed at karcreat. This is clearly a very personal project for him, and he wants it to do well. I can’t fault him for that. But I’d rather he were being honest about his motives and reasons, and he’s offered no less than three different accounts of why “Red Dwarf: The Animated Series” exists.

That is specifically why I tore into his “by fans for fans” statement, which he completely misunderstood. I don’t doubt whether he or anyone else involved are fans of the show. Indeed, why would you sit down to make an animated “extension” to a series you didn’t like? It really doesn’t feel like you’re doing this for anyone but yourself – for the opportunity to play with the characters and settings, for the praise I imagine you’re anticipating once the first complete thing (be that a short, or a full episode, or what).

I can’t fault redhead at all. She’s lovely, and she feels like a part of G&T. But you, karcreat, do not. You seldom poke out of your little hole to join in with the rest of the kids in the playground. It’s a classic behaviour trait that indicates, to me at least, that the only thing you expect from this community is praise and positive criticism for your project.

It’s also rather telling that rather than actually touch upon any of my criticisms you instead decide to attack my character (adding winky-smilies so as to make the whole thing seem unoffensive and, I’m sure you think, charming). You could have just addressed my points, but instead you decided to tear me a new one. The side-effect this has is that when you then went on to address my points it all came across as rather passive-aggressive. The uppercase “THANK YOU” towards the end there only cemented that feeling.

Just as you seldom pop your head out of this thread to see what the rest of the community is doing, I seldom pop my head in it because this entire project has felt uncomfortable for me since day one. I’d feel differently if you genuinely seemed to want constructive criticism but, y’know, it doesn’t feel like that at all. I’d have far more respect for you if you could just be honest about why you’re doing this rather than throw us varying reasons and then getting spitty when someone calls you on it.

Also: Pious? I assure you, I hardly know the meaning of the word.

[BEN turns to a dictionary, opens it up to the “P” section, and begins to look for the word in question.]

Oh. Right. Well, um. I can’t say I’ve ever been particularly religious, so I’m not sure that’s really appropriate.

Redhead85: You and I seem to be like-minded – I’m hoping I can one day make the transition into writing for a living. I’m working on two sitcoms, a webcomic, another webcomic which I might well end up drawing myself, a feature film script, a web series, and a novel. I can’t do anything short of applaud your ambition, and indeed having recently written a Red Dwarf fan-comic with Kris Carter (he’s still drawing it, incidentally… we might get to see it some time this year if we’re lucky!) I’m very much sitting in the same boat with you. But it seems your reasons for getting involved with the Animated fan-project seem very different from the reasons why it was launched in the first place. Keep in mind, I wasn’t attacking you – as I’ve mentioned, you seem very much a part of the community now, something I can’t really say for karcreat. He’s only here for himself, it seems. I’d love for him to prove me wrong.

[Ben Paddon]

And I’m not trying to hit on you either, redhead. I’m seeing three girls already and I’m sure at least one of them would take exception to that. :)

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