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  • #6116
    Tarka Dal
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    Right then Season whatever, series whatever. RTD and Tennant out, Moffat and Smith in.

    We start with this…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/newyear/

    …and feast like the spoiler-feltching discussants that we are.

    Thoughts:

    Number 11 has an absolutely brilliant face.
    He appears to have an ace fondness for hitting things.
    The angels are back and based on their numbers and appearance it looks like it’s the same ones.

    #107549
    Andrew
    Participant

    Punching and guns. No question they’re going for a feel all of their own. I approve of that.

    #107554
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I especially liked him hitting the Dalek. I like the violence, a nice change fron Ten who wouldn’t go near a gun for most of the time.

    #107560
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Okay I know it’s a bit over the top, but I must have re-watched that trailer half a dozen times now. I’m really excited by all the face pulling, both by Eleven and Amy. I love the physical comedy in that punch, the steely determination in Smith’s eyes and the re-assurance within “Trust me, I’m a Doctor”. Genuinely stoked by it all. Roll on spring.

    #107563
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    Didn’t that scene look as though it was a Doctor Who convention? Some of the “aliens” looked more like convention models than actual aliens!

    #107566
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    So what do these actual aliens look like then?

    #107568
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    Just rewatched and, actually, it’s only 2 that don’t look like genuine aliens to me. At around the 15 second mark, there is what appears to be a model of a Davros style head and also the Dalek that gets punched. I don’t think it looks real, looks like a display model

    #107569
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    And by “genuine aliens” and “actual aliens”, I mean BBC standard SFX alien…not a real physical alien. That would just be silly…

    #107571
    Andrew
    Participant

    It did feel a little small and low-budget, the trailer. But between the show having a long post-production process to go through, and the choices likely reflecting a more low-key approach to story – less running, more thinking – I have no worries.

    I always want to give RTD his due for this, though – the man knew how to make the show feel unmissable. He made it hard to skip past when channel-hopping, easy to be attracted to the sumptuous eye-candy. I don’t think that automatically equals crassness or pandering. But I do think we might see a ratings drop once the initial new-series vibe wears off if the imagery continues in the vein of that trail…

    #107574
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > But I do think we might see a ratings drop once the initial new-series vibe wears off if the imagery continues in the vein of that trail?

    That’s been my gut reaction pretty much since Smith was announced, infact since Moffat was announced. It’s been along time, if ever, since Who was as popular and as and publically adored as Tennant’s incarnation has been. So I’m fearful of their being a negative swing against the newcomers, and any ratings drop getting jumped upon by the tabloid press. At which point RTD will pop back up with a Tennant as The Doctor movie to further side-track the Moffat years. Still for now this is all just paranoia. The one bit I’m hugely confident about is that I’ll love Moffat Who and I’ll love Smith’s Doctor.

    #107575
    Andrew
    Participant

    > The one bit I?m hugely confident about is that I?ll love Moffat Who and I?ll love Smith?s Doctor.

    I absolutely share this optimism.

    #107580
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Yeah but, *shudders* you like…Shiznit I can’t remember what it was now :p

    If Moffat Who genuinely dissapoints me, it’s going to sting like a bitch, because I’m rarely this positive about anything. The only bit that really concerns me is that we’re supposedly getting a Chris Chibnall two-parter.

    #107582
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >The only bit that really concerns me is that we?re supposedly getting a Chris Chibnall two-parter.

    With the Silurians.

    #107583
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >the re-assurance within ?Trust me, I?m a Doctor?

    Wasn’t it “Trust me, I’m the Doctor”? Which I thought was a cracking line, if so.

    >It did feel a little small and low-budget, the trailer. But between the show having a long post-production process to go through, and the choices likely reflecting a more low-key approach to story – less running, more thinking – I have no worries.

    They’re still making the series, of course. They can only show in that trailer what they’ve actually made so far.

    We all saw the two differently-coloured Daleks in there, then, yes?

    #107584
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Oh, and what I liked about the punch? The fact that he looked a bit surprised afterwards. I feel like this Doctor is going to be a bit skitterish (as exemplified by the way he was in his first scene – yes, he was similar to Tennant, but a bit all over the place) and wide-eyed and adventurous. I like the idea that the Moffat years might be a bit more about going off and having adventures, rather than wandering around wanting to see things all the bloody time (and rather than all the stories ending up being deeply interlinked – I hope the Moff’s stories are a bit more disconnected).

    #107585
    John Hoare
    Participant

    I was a bit underwhelmed. Part of that is undoubtedly my brain missing RTD’s overblown style when it comes to trailers… but it just feels a bit generic to me. I’ll try again tomorrow…

    I know this conversation has been had a million times before, but I could easily have lived without the Daleks for another year. But I’m not sure if I’d be saying that if I was 10.

    #107586
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >Part of that is undoubtedly my brain missing RTD?s overblown style when it comes to trailers? but it just feels a bit generic to me. I?ll try again tomorrow?

    Who’s that now?

    #107589
    Andrew
    Participant

    It’s missing a laugh track, is the thing…

    #107590
    Andrew
    Participant

    Also: is ‘Geronimo!’ the new ‘Brilliant/Fantastic/allons-y/I’m so sorry’? Final word of The End of Time, AND it shows up in the trailer…

    #107592
    John Hoare
    Participant

    Actually, it would have been better if Doctor Eleven had been playing golf.

    #107593
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    I LOVE the fact he says “Geronimo!”. For obvious Rimmer-related reasons.

    I was dubious about 11 but you know… I think he’s going to be brilliant. Even if he reminds me of an English Lit student who’s just rushed out of bed 2 minutes before his final exam. And the new companion is hot.

    #107594
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    Shit… I’m going to be in Japan… I really hope I get good bandwidth.

    #107596
    littlesmegger
    Participant

    A lot of forums are comparing it to Twilight, but seeing the trailer is probably only made from about 3 episodes, I doubt that’ll be the case.

    Loving the uppercut though, complete opposite of Tennant, which is exactly what the show now needs. No comparisons made. Out with the thinking Doctor, and in with the action Doctor.

    #107598
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    In the leaked audio clip we heard a few months ago, I picked up elements of Colin Baker and Peter Davison in Smith’s Doctor. In those final moments of “The End of Time” I got a distinct Paul McGann vibe from him.

    I approve of all of these things, and I look forward to falling in love with the Doctor all over again.

    #107599
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I like that shot 22/23 minutes in. What a cutey.

    Oh, and we’ve had werewolves. Not it looks lie we’ve got vampire too (actually aliens no doubt).

    What was the murmuring at the end of the trailer? During/after the new logo?

    #107600
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    The classic series did Vampires. They’re nothing new.

    #107602
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    In what way are they comparing it to Twilight?

    #107605
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > Wasn?t it ?Trust me, I?m the Doctor?? Which I thought was a cracking line, if so.

    Quite right. I mis-typed it earlier.

    > Also: is ?Geronimo!? the new ?Brilliant/Fantastic/allons-y/I?m so sorry?? Final word of The End of Time, AND it shows up in the trailer?

    It’s also used on the BBC Who site. I think it’s fair game to assume it’s going to be a catchphrase.

    > In what way are they comparing it to Twilight?

    Apparently it features vampires and it’s all gothic. Which is presumably down to the clips from ‘Vampires in Venice’, so less gothic more historic. Throw in that that the actors are quite young, a bit of kissing, oh and the fact that some people are ******** idiots and you get your magic number.

    > The classic series did Vampires. They?re nothing new.

    Don’t be silly Ben, Twilight invented Vampires.

    #107611
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    As long as they’re not sparkly vampires we’ll be OK…

    #107612
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Sunshine!

    #107614
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    Lollipops?

    #107617
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    He happily totes a gun, and says “trust me” it’s Dr Sledge Hammer. :-p

    #107618
    James
    Participant

    A white Dalek and a man with strange teeth. Shooting, violence and yet more kissing! Lots more impact to create a new Doctor, but the same enemies again and again, can’t be good. I’m impressed at the length of her skirt for a police constable, or hamstergram. I’m sure the provocative nature of the new Episodes will have people talking, but only for it’s anti-establishment?

    #107620
    Andrew
    Participant

    “Chin? …Blimey!”

    Excellent.

    #107627
    Ridley
    Participant

    ?Chin? ?Blimey!?

    Excellent.

    Myes.

    Ping pong eyeballs during “Trust me, I?m the Doctor”? Not so much.

    #107633
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Someone on NOTBBC summed up why the punch was great: “A punch delivered with all the camp awkwardness of someone who tries to avoid violence.”

    It seems in line with the idea that this Doctor is going to be a bit more wide-eyed, a bit more unsure of what he can do but having a fun time discovering who he is and having adventures.

    #107634
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >?Chin? ?Blimey!?
    >Excellent.

    I liked his delivery of “I’ve had worse”. I’ll admit to having been unsure of Smith when he was first cast (although that was largely disappointment based on the fact that he wasn’t Paterson Joseph), but everything seen so far suggests he’s going to be great.

    #107635
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I’ve watched the new series trailer a few times now, and I love it. There’s something that feel very different about it all, and it’s not just Matt Smith. It just feels very, very *right*. Although I do worry that the popularity among the masses is going to be a shaky to start with.

    #107637
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > Lots more impact to create a new Doctor, but the same enemies again and again, can?t be good.

    I was going to say I think we can allow Moffat some Daleks, given they’re the shows most iconic villains and he’s not had chance to play with those toys as yet. That said I think it’s Mark Gattiss’ episode that they’re going to turn up in isn’t it?

    At the moment apart from The Daleks aren’t the Weeping Angels the only enemies returning that we’ve previously seen in New Who? Given that A) They’re a Moffat creation B) Haven’t actually encountered the Doctor on-screen before and C) Rock well we can allow them can’t we?

    Further Smith love: That little clip in confidential where he’s composing himself for the regeneration scene and then catches the confidential camera on him seemed really sweet and natural. I’ve just realised he reminds me a bit of an old schoolmates’ Dad. Maybe that’s why I’ve taken too him, because I feel I know his Doctor allready.

    #107639
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > It seems in line with the idea that this Doctor is going to be a bit more wide-eyed, a bit more unsure of what he can do but having a fun time discovering who he is and having adventures.

    We’re obviously reading way too much into it, but everything in that trailer backs up this idea. We’re seeing the same wonders as Tennant’s Doctor, again with wide-eyed enthusiasm, but there’s a touch more vunerability. Sure it’s probably because they’ve whacked him in a tweed jacket and a bow tie, but I’m sold on this clash of youth and wisdom mixed with sheer physicality.

    Karen Gillan’s face pulling is first class too.

    #107644
    pfm
    Participant

    From the first facial expression the second he regenerated I think he’s got it nailed. The new series looks fantastic too. Stripping things back somewhat is the ONLY way they could go after the big arrogant bombast of RTD’s era (yeah yeah it was only really like that half of the time but you know what I mean). Matt’s Doctor feels less arrogant than Tennant’s for a start. It’s only the start though, leaves plenty of room for development.

    #107646
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Oh. Do we know if Murray Gold is staying on for the new era? It felt like Murray Gold on the trailer, but I guess that doesn’t mean he’s a definite for the actual shows.

    #107647
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I remember ages ago Gold saying in an interview that he imagine he’d leave when the current regime does. Things could’ve easily changed since then, especially considering that he would’ve been mentioned on Confidential or somewhere if he was actually leaving.

    #107649
    pfm
    Participant

    Well they didn’t really go on about the specifics of who’s leaving and who isn’t as far as the crew goes. Tbh I’m surprised they didn’t talk more on Confidential about RTD leaving. It was obviously a decision to focus on David more, which is fair enough, but RTD leaving IS a huge deal.

    #107650
    Ridley
    Participant

    “I’ll explain later.”

    #107655
    Jo
    Participant

    From the first facial expression the second he regenerated I think he?s got it nailed. The new series looks fantastic too. Stripping things back somewhat is the ONLY way they could go after the big arrogant bombast of RTD?s era (yeah yeah it was only really like that half of the time but you know what I mean). Matt?s Doctor feels less arrogant than Tennant?s for a start. It?s only the start though, leaves plenty of room for development.

    I’m still incredibly dubious about the whole thing, but I’m undecided and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt until I’ve seen him do his thing properly. Quite honestly I don’t know how you can say “he’s got it nailed” or that his Doctor “feels less arrogant than Tennant’s” when you’ve barely seen any of him?! Personally, based on the few seconds we saw of him, I don’t think anyone can make a decision just yet.

    #107657
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    It’s a fair point that it’s little to go on. But from Colin Bakers first line you could tell the dr was gonna be bigging himself up a lot!!!

    #107658
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    I like the fact that the Tardis is falling apart inside. That’s a great way to make the end of a dr seem like an end of an era for production crew and it seems it will fit well with the beginning of a new look for Moffat era who.

    #107660
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >Someone on NOTBBC summed up why the punch was great: ?A punch delivered with all the camp awkwardness of someone who tries to avoid violence.?

    It’s taken me 24 hours, but I’ve just realised it reminds me of George McFly.

    He is our density.

    #107668
    Carlito
    Participant

    I was literally about to write he looks like George McFly, swelling up with self-satisfied smugness at being the first to note the similarity… git!

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