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  • #6116
    Tarka Dal
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    Right then Season whatever, series whatever. RTD and Tennant out, Moffat and Smith in.

    We start with this…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/newyear/

    …and feast like the spoiler-feltching discussants that we are.

    Thoughts:

    Number 11 has an absolutely brilliant face.
    He appears to have an ace fondness for hitting things.
    The angels are back and based on their numbers and appearance it looks like it’s the same ones.

    #107549
    Andrew
    Participant

    Punching and guns. No question they’re going for a feel all of their own. I approve of that.

    #107554
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I especially liked him hitting the Dalek. I like the violence, a nice change fron Ten who wouldn’t go near a gun for most of the time.

    #107560
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Okay I know it’s a bit over the top, but I must have re-watched that trailer half a dozen times now. I’m really excited by all the face pulling, both by Eleven and Amy. I love the physical comedy in that punch, the steely determination in Smith’s eyes and the re-assurance within “Trust me, I’m a Doctor”. Genuinely stoked by it all. Roll on spring.

    #107563
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    Didn’t that scene look as though it was a Doctor Who convention? Some of the “aliens” looked more like convention models than actual aliens!

    #107566
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    So what do these actual aliens look like then?

    #107568
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    Just rewatched and, actually, it’s only 2 that don’t look like genuine aliens to me. At around the 15 second mark, there is what appears to be a model of a Davros style head and also the Dalek that gets punched. I don’t think it looks real, looks like a display model

    #107569
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    And by “genuine aliens” and “actual aliens”, I mean BBC standard SFX alien…not a real physical alien. That would just be silly…

    #107571
    Andrew
    Participant

    It did feel a little small and low-budget, the trailer. But between the show having a long post-production process to go through, and the choices likely reflecting a more low-key approach to story – less running, more thinking – I have no worries.

    I always want to give RTD his due for this, though – the man knew how to make the show feel unmissable. He made it hard to skip past when channel-hopping, easy to be attracted to the sumptuous eye-candy. I don’t think that automatically equals crassness or pandering. But I do think we might see a ratings drop once the initial new-series vibe wears off if the imagery continues in the vein of that trail…

    #107574
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > But I do think we might see a ratings drop once the initial new-series vibe wears off if the imagery continues in the vein of that trail?

    That’s been my gut reaction pretty much since Smith was announced, infact since Moffat was announced. It’s been along time, if ever, since Who was as popular and as and publically adored as Tennant’s incarnation has been. So I’m fearful of their being a negative swing against the newcomers, and any ratings drop getting jumped upon by the tabloid press. At which point RTD will pop back up with a Tennant as The Doctor movie to further side-track the Moffat years. Still for now this is all just paranoia. The one bit I’m hugely confident about is that I’ll love Moffat Who and I’ll love Smith’s Doctor.

    #107575
    Andrew
    Participant

    > The one bit I?m hugely confident about is that I?ll love Moffat Who and I?ll love Smith?s Doctor.

    I absolutely share this optimism.

    #107580
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Yeah but, *shudders* you like…Shiznit I can’t remember what it was now :p

    If Moffat Who genuinely dissapoints me, it’s going to sting like a bitch, because I’m rarely this positive about anything. The only bit that really concerns me is that we’re supposedly getting a Chris Chibnall two-parter.

    #107582
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >The only bit that really concerns me is that we?re supposedly getting a Chris Chibnall two-parter.

    With the Silurians.

    #107583
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >the re-assurance within ?Trust me, I?m a Doctor?

    Wasn’t it “Trust me, I’m the Doctor”? Which I thought was a cracking line, if so.

    >It did feel a little small and low-budget, the trailer. But between the show having a long post-production process to go through, and the choices likely reflecting a more low-key approach to story – less running, more thinking – I have no worries.

    They’re still making the series, of course. They can only show in that trailer what they’ve actually made so far.

    We all saw the two differently-coloured Daleks in there, then, yes?

    #107584
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Oh, and what I liked about the punch? The fact that he looked a bit surprised afterwards. I feel like this Doctor is going to be a bit skitterish (as exemplified by the way he was in his first scene – yes, he was similar to Tennant, but a bit all over the place) and wide-eyed and adventurous. I like the idea that the Moffat years might be a bit more about going off and having adventures, rather than wandering around wanting to see things all the bloody time (and rather than all the stories ending up being deeply interlinked – I hope the Moff’s stories are a bit more disconnected).

    #107585
    John Hoare
    Participant

    I was a bit underwhelmed. Part of that is undoubtedly my brain missing RTD’s overblown style when it comes to trailers… but it just feels a bit generic to me. I’ll try again tomorrow…

    I know this conversation has been had a million times before, but I could easily have lived without the Daleks for another year. But I’m not sure if I’d be saying that if I was 10.

    #107586
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >Part of that is undoubtedly my brain missing RTD?s overblown style when it comes to trailers? but it just feels a bit generic to me. I?ll try again tomorrow?

    Who’s that now?

    #107589
    Andrew
    Participant

    It’s missing a laugh track, is the thing…

    #107590
    Andrew
    Participant

    Also: is ‘Geronimo!’ the new ‘Brilliant/Fantastic/allons-y/I’m so sorry’? Final word of The End of Time, AND it shows up in the trailer…

    #107592
    John Hoare
    Participant

    Actually, it would have been better if Doctor Eleven had been playing golf.

    #107593
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    I LOVE the fact he says “Geronimo!”. For obvious Rimmer-related reasons.

    I was dubious about 11 but you know… I think he’s going to be brilliant. Even if he reminds me of an English Lit student who’s just rushed out of bed 2 minutes before his final exam. And the new companion is hot.

    #107594
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    Shit… I’m going to be in Japan… I really hope I get good bandwidth.

    #107596
    littlesmegger
    Participant

    A lot of forums are comparing it to Twilight, but seeing the trailer is probably only made from about 3 episodes, I doubt that’ll be the case.

    Loving the uppercut though, complete opposite of Tennant, which is exactly what the show now needs. No comparisons made. Out with the thinking Doctor, and in with the action Doctor.

    #107598
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    In the leaked audio clip we heard a few months ago, I picked up elements of Colin Baker and Peter Davison in Smith’s Doctor. In those final moments of “The End of Time” I got a distinct Paul McGann vibe from him.

    I approve of all of these things, and I look forward to falling in love with the Doctor all over again.

    #107599
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I like that shot 22/23 minutes in. What a cutey.

    Oh, and we’ve had werewolves. Not it looks lie we’ve got vampire too (actually aliens no doubt).

    What was the murmuring at the end of the trailer? During/after the new logo?

    #107600
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    The classic series did Vampires. They’re nothing new.

    #107602
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    In what way are they comparing it to Twilight?

    #107605
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > Wasn?t it ?Trust me, I?m the Doctor?? Which I thought was a cracking line, if so.

    Quite right. I mis-typed it earlier.

    > Also: is ?Geronimo!? the new ?Brilliant/Fantastic/allons-y/I?m so sorry?? Final word of The End of Time, AND it shows up in the trailer?

    It’s also used on the BBC Who site. I think it’s fair game to assume it’s going to be a catchphrase.

    > In what way are they comparing it to Twilight?

    Apparently it features vampires and it’s all gothic. Which is presumably down to the clips from ‘Vampires in Venice’, so less gothic more historic. Throw in that that the actors are quite young, a bit of kissing, oh and the fact that some people are ******** idiots and you get your magic number.

    > The classic series did Vampires. They?re nothing new.

    Don’t be silly Ben, Twilight invented Vampires.

    #107611
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    As long as they’re not sparkly vampires we’ll be OK…

    #107612
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Sunshine!

    #107614
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    Lollipops?

    #107617
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    He happily totes a gun, and says “trust me” it’s Dr Sledge Hammer. :-p

    #107618
    James
    Participant

    A white Dalek and a man with strange teeth. Shooting, violence and yet more kissing! Lots more impact to create a new Doctor, but the same enemies again and again, can’t be good. I’m impressed at the length of her skirt for a police constable, or hamstergram. I’m sure the provocative nature of the new Episodes will have people talking, but only for it’s anti-establishment?

    #107620
    Andrew
    Participant

    “Chin? …Blimey!”

    Excellent.

    #107627
    Ridley
    Participant

    ?Chin? ?Blimey!?

    Excellent.

    Myes.

    Ping pong eyeballs during “Trust me, I?m the Doctor”? Not so much.

    #107633
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Someone on NOTBBC summed up why the punch was great: “A punch delivered with all the camp awkwardness of someone who tries to avoid violence.”

    It seems in line with the idea that this Doctor is going to be a bit more wide-eyed, a bit more unsure of what he can do but having a fun time discovering who he is and having adventures.

    #107634
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >?Chin? ?Blimey!?
    >Excellent.

    I liked his delivery of “I’ve had worse”. I’ll admit to having been unsure of Smith when he was first cast (although that was largely disappointment based on the fact that he wasn’t Paterson Joseph), but everything seen so far suggests he’s going to be great.

    #107635
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I’ve watched the new series trailer a few times now, and I love it. There’s something that feel very different about it all, and it’s not just Matt Smith. It just feels very, very *right*. Although I do worry that the popularity among the masses is going to be a shaky to start with.

    #107637
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > Lots more impact to create a new Doctor, but the same enemies again and again, can?t be good.

    I was going to say I think we can allow Moffat some Daleks, given they’re the shows most iconic villains and he’s not had chance to play with those toys as yet. That said I think it’s Mark Gattiss’ episode that they’re going to turn up in isn’t it?

    At the moment apart from The Daleks aren’t the Weeping Angels the only enemies returning that we’ve previously seen in New Who? Given that A) They’re a Moffat creation B) Haven’t actually encountered the Doctor on-screen before and C) Rock well we can allow them can’t we?

    Further Smith love: That little clip in confidential where he’s composing himself for the regeneration scene and then catches the confidential camera on him seemed really sweet and natural. I’ve just realised he reminds me a bit of an old schoolmates’ Dad. Maybe that’s why I’ve taken too him, because I feel I know his Doctor allready.

    #107639
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > It seems in line with the idea that this Doctor is going to be a bit more wide-eyed, a bit more unsure of what he can do but having a fun time discovering who he is and having adventures.

    We’re obviously reading way too much into it, but everything in that trailer backs up this idea. We’re seeing the same wonders as Tennant’s Doctor, again with wide-eyed enthusiasm, but there’s a touch more vunerability. Sure it’s probably because they’ve whacked him in a tweed jacket and a bow tie, but I’m sold on this clash of youth and wisdom mixed with sheer physicality.

    Karen Gillan’s face pulling is first class too.

    #107644
    pfm
    Participant

    From the first facial expression the second he regenerated I think he’s got it nailed. The new series looks fantastic too. Stripping things back somewhat is the ONLY way they could go after the big arrogant bombast of RTD’s era (yeah yeah it was only really like that half of the time but you know what I mean). Matt’s Doctor feels less arrogant than Tennant’s for a start. It’s only the start though, leaves plenty of room for development.

    #107646
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Oh. Do we know if Murray Gold is staying on for the new era? It felt like Murray Gold on the trailer, but I guess that doesn’t mean he’s a definite for the actual shows.

    #107647
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I remember ages ago Gold saying in an interview that he imagine he’d leave when the current regime does. Things could’ve easily changed since then, especially considering that he would’ve been mentioned on Confidential or somewhere if he was actually leaving.

    #107649
    pfm
    Participant

    Well they didn’t really go on about the specifics of who’s leaving and who isn’t as far as the crew goes. Tbh I’m surprised they didn’t talk more on Confidential about RTD leaving. It was obviously a decision to focus on David more, which is fair enough, but RTD leaving IS a huge deal.

    #107650
    Ridley
    Participant

    “I’ll explain later.”

    #107655
    Jo
    Participant

    From the first facial expression the second he regenerated I think he?s got it nailed. The new series looks fantastic too. Stripping things back somewhat is the ONLY way they could go after the big arrogant bombast of RTD?s era (yeah yeah it was only really like that half of the time but you know what I mean). Matt?s Doctor feels less arrogant than Tennant?s for a start. It?s only the start though, leaves plenty of room for development.

    I’m still incredibly dubious about the whole thing, but I’m undecided and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt until I’ve seen him do his thing properly. Quite honestly I don’t know how you can say “he’s got it nailed” or that his Doctor “feels less arrogant than Tennant’s” when you’ve barely seen any of him?! Personally, based on the few seconds we saw of him, I don’t think anyone can make a decision just yet.

    #107657
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    It’s a fair point that it’s little to go on. But from Colin Bakers first line you could tell the dr was gonna be bigging himself up a lot!!!

    #107658
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    I like the fact that the Tardis is falling apart inside. That’s a great way to make the end of a dr seem like an end of an era for production crew and it seems it will fit well with the beginning of a new look for Moffat era who.

    #107660
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >Someone on NOTBBC summed up why the punch was great: ?A punch delivered with all the camp awkwardness of someone who tries to avoid violence.?

    It’s taken me 24 hours, but I’ve just realised it reminds me of George McFly.

    He is our density.

    #107668
    Carlito
    Participant

    I was literally about to write he looks like George McFly, swelling up with self-satisfied smugness at being the first to note the similarity… git!

    #107671
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    I?m still incredibly dubious about the whole thing, but I?m undecided and I?ll give him the benefit of the doubt until I?ve seen him do his thing properly. Quite honestly I don?t know how you can say ?he?s got it nailed? or that his Doctor ?feels less arrogant than Tennant?s? when you?ve barely seen any of him?! Personally, based on the few seconds we saw of him, I don?t think anyone can make a decision just yet.

    You can have gut feelings, though. And you can piece together what you know of the actor, of the writer, and everything else. I also think that a lot can be said in a single line of dialogue, particularly when you take into account how it’s delivered – and personally I find the body language throughout the opening scene and trailer to be quite telling.

    It’s all a matter of interpretation, and we could be *terribly* wrong. But it’s instinctive to look for a “vibe” in these things – and frankly, stuff like this is all part of the game that we, as fans, love to play.

    #107673
    Jo
    Participant

    I didn’t say you couldn’t, it was the certainty of the statements that I highlighted that I objected to.
    I understand that some people want/hope/think he’ll be good and have every right to say so, but saying “Yeah, he’s nailed it already” I think is jumping the gun a bit, since I don’t think his line of dialogue showed us much.

    #107677
    pfm
    Participant

    Well from what we’ve seen I think he DID nail it there and then. The way he went from screaming in pain to that ‘uuh shit, what?’ bewildered expression in a split second is, to me, him cementing the characterisation straight away. It’s similar when he punches the guy out in the trailer. That kind of blundering genius that Johnny Depp does so well as Jack Sparrow (sorry, Captain Jack Sparrow).

    Then you’ve got him switching from seeming quite immature with his ‘I’m a girl!’ delivery to the old-fashioned adventurer stylie of ‘geronimooooo!’ To me, especially on also viewing the trailer, he’s already very different and more interesting than Tennant’s portrayal.

    So there.

    #107678
    Jo
    Participant

    You say tomato… I think he was so all over the damn place that you can’t possibly say for sure what he’s going to be like. SO THERE.

    Why don’t you and Seb go get a room.

    #107685
    John Hoare
    Participant

    Has anyone else noticed the ULTRA-QUIET dialogue you get on the trailer from 00:50 onward, that sounds like a radio broadcast of some sort? Was just watching it again now with headphones, and I noticed it.

    I can’t make out the words properly, especially the first few – but it sounds something like this:

    “In the news …since the ring… the dune has taken its place in the Scottish…”

    I don’t think that’s right, but I’ve tried amplifying it, and the buzz makes it difficult to decipher. Anyone got a better guess? Or has someone else noticed this already, and done a proper transcript?

    #107686
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > Why don?t you and Seb go get a room.

    I’ve allready booked out the hotel.

    #107687
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > Has anyone else noticed the ULTRA-QUIET dialogue you get on the trailer from 00:50 onward, that sounds like a radio broadcast of some sort? Was just watching it again now with headphones, and I noticed it.

    Okay that’s the second time I’ve read someone refer to something after the 50 second mark. What trailer are people watching? The one on the BBC Who site ends with “Trust me I’m a Doctor” at about the 45 second mark and then it’s all just logos after that, isn’t it?

    #107688
    John Hoare
    Participant

    The one on the BBC Who site ends with ?Trust me I?m a Doctor? at about the 45 second mark and then it?s all just logos after that, isn?t it?

    Not if you’re listening with headphones and have them whacked up loud, it doesn’t…

    #107689
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Ah fair enough. I was just worrying then that everyone else had access to an entirely different trailer ;-)

    #107691
    Andrew
    Participant

    Oooh. I wondered why there was such a long pause at the end of the thing…

    #107692
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Isn’t there some way we can pump up the volume and clear out the hiss? Clean up the audio and listen to the radio bit properly? Isn’t there some sort of gizmo lying around someplace that can do that? And if not, why not?

    #107693
    John Hoare
    Participant

    I’m going to have a go at that this afternoon, but if anyone with better audio SKILLZ than me wants to try it, please do!

    #107694
    Andrew
    Participant

    This is what I’m getting:

    ?In the year since the rangers players (?) made him famous the doon (?) has taken its place in Scottish foot-??

    Sounds like Scottish footballing stuff to me…

    #107695
    John Hoare
    Participant

    Very odd.

    It’s almost tempting to suggest Moffat is teasing us, and it’s of absolutely no relevance whatsoever!

    #107696
    Andrew
    Participant
    #107697
    John Hoare
    Participant

    You know, I wondered if audio from something else had been accidentally edited in… but I couldn’t see *how* it’d happen, so I dismissed it.

    #107698
    Andrew
    Participant

    Oh, I think it’s entirely deliberate – that long set of logos at the end isn’t accidental, and the Scottish connection is as big a deal as an RTD clip mentioning an incident in Cardiff.

    My feeling is that something Sea Devilish is heading onto land via the Ayrshire coast…

    #107700
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Silurianish, shurely?

    #107703
    Andrew
    Participant

    To be fair they’re not species I’m overly familiar with – I’ve mostly had to Wiki (the Silurian entry prioritises paragraphs of fan-theory-naming-and-dating for some reason). Ended up plumping for the ones that sounded like they might emerge from the ocean…

    #107715
    John Hoare
    Participant

    I can’t think of any other UK show whose trailer would be dissected as much as this. Not because Who attracts rabid fans – but because I can’t think of another show that has a trailer *worthy* of dissection. Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes is the closest, I guess.

    I want more telly that warrants everyone being ridiculously anal.

    #107714
    pfm
    Participant

    > Why don?t you and Seb go get a room.

    Well I’m already booked in with Matt so I can’t.

    Revamped Silurians and Sea Devils. If they are the returnees (not 100% confirmed yet, obviously) then I will be very happy. The Daleks I think we can all welcome back. In fact it’s the first time I’ve been excited at the prospect of an appearance by the crazed pepperpots in a long time. Just as long as they’re not the BIG BAD for a long time. Moffat should save that for the very end of his tenure. Daleks vs Time Lords redux.

    #107716
    John Hoare
    Participant

    I can?t think of any other UK show whose trailer would be dissected as much as this.

    Erm – apart from Dwarf, of course…

    #107718
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Did you ever do a Gallifrey & Titan banner? I’m sure it was discussed at some point.

    #107722
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I’d love a return for the Sea Devils. Favourite Pertwee story is ‘The Sea Devils’.

    #107893
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    New DWM!

    Love the new logo and that picture of Matt is pretty good, if a little heavily touched up. I guess it’s supposed to be a little stylised, anyway.

    The mag has revealed all the writers, too. Brace yourselves:


    Steven Moffat – 6 episodes
    Mark Gatiss – 1 episode
    Gareth Roberts – 1 episode
    Richard Curtis – 1 episode
    Toby Whithouse – 1 episode
    Chris Chibnall – 2 episodes
    Simon Nye – 1 episode

    Interestingly, this syncs up almost exactly with that big list of episode spoilers from a few weeks ago, so some of the other details are likely to be spot on, too. Moff doing six is great (that’ll be ep 1, 2(maybe), 4, 5, 12 & 13 then?) but Gareth Roberts, Toby Whithouse and Chris Chibnall all fill me with varying degrees of chill, though.

    I guess Whithouse has proved his sci-fi credentials a lot since School Reunion, but Roberts has been consistently shit. Planet of the Dead was one of the worst things I’ve ever experienced on TV and the rest of his Who stuff isn’t much better. Chibnall, too, wrote one of the worst episodes of Who I’ve ever seen, but he did manage to write one or maybe two decent Torchwood episodes.

    Really, it’s not as radical as I thought it would be, but the addition of Richard Curtis and Simon Nye is very different and exciting. And Gatiss is great, obviously.

    No matter what happens, it’ll be interesting to compare and contrast how these episodes turn out under the script editing eye of Moffat rather than Davies.

    #107894
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    LOVE the cover.

    DISAPPOINTED with the writers list. Gatiss & Whithouse = fine. Roberts & Chibnall = NO. And Nye and Curtis are both good writers, but having them both in the same series means taking the “noted comedy writer who hasn’t really done genre stuff” risk twice. I’d have preferred to see one of them bumped to series six to make room for one of the other writers that we know are hovering on the periphery but that we’ll probably have to wait a year for.

    #107895
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    That’s a good point, actually, although I really wish you hadn’t started using the word “genre” to refer to sci-fi/fantasy ;)

    Nye and Curtis don’t even come close to worrying me as much as Roberts and Chibnal but even so, at least it’ll give us a definitive view on their talents, i.e. will they be better with a different script editor or just as shit?

    I’m really gutted we don’t have Cornell this series, but as you say he’ll be a cert for next year and it’s possible that other factors got in the way of his scripts being ready on time, especially if it’s been commissioned for a specific slot, like the ‘New Adventures’ two-parter.

    #107896
    John Hoare
    Participant

    a) The logo looks great on that cover. But the “MAGAZINE” looks small, awkward, and tacked-on. Hope they change that.

    b) SIMON NYE = EXCELLENT. A risk, sure, but a fun risk.

    c) I actually like Chibnall’s Life on Mars episodes, especially the one in the first series. But no, nothing he’s done in the Whoniverse really suggests why he’s got a two-parter… beyond being a safe choice because he presumably brings the scripts in on time and in a state that’s at least shootable.

    #107897
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Still, at the end of the day, it’s a writers list that includes SIX Moffat episodes. That’s almost certainly going to provide a better hitrate than series four, even if the other seven episodes all somehow manage to be gash.

    #107898
    Muzzy
    Participant

    “Matt Smith is The Doctor”…and they are the Daaaaaaaa-leks!

    #107900
    pfm
    Participant

    I think Chibnall proved himself with some great episodes in Torchwood series 2. Saying that, Who is a different kettle of fish entirely. I wonder whether this Silurian 2-parter will be the ‘romp’ one or darker like how the second 2-parter of each series has normally been. With the first one being Moffat-penned, River Song and Weeping Angels-returning, that could turn out to be the ‘deeper’ one.

    Roberts can write SJA well enough but his Who efforts leave a lot to be desired. They always have such a wanky feel to them. The Shakespeare Code should have been so much better than it was. The visuals and setting saved that one.

    We can guess that the Simon Nye episode was the slot that was maybe open to a few writers (Neil Gaiman?) and that Paul Cornell perhaps needs a 2-parter for his next effort, so they’re saving that for series 6. Maybe Nye had a brilliant idea that they just couldn’t turn down. If it’s episode 11 it’s likely to be Doctor-lite.

    #107901
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I think people have worked out that Moffat’s two parter will be the early one and Chibnall’s the later one. Although it’s anyone’s guess exactly what tone each of these will have under Moffat…

    #107906
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Delighted with everything except Chibnall/Roberts. Do we know if Rob Shearman is likely to ever to get another shot?

    #107909
    Nick R
    Participant

    Aww, I was still holding out hope that Gaiman would be on that list. :(

    I really liked “The Unicorn and the Wasp” (buzzing vicar aside), so as bad as “Planet of the Dead” was, I’m not too disappointed to see Gareth Roberts listed. (Checking Wikipedia, I’ve only just learned he also co-wrote two episodes of the second series of the Vic & Bob Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased). I loved the first series of that at the time, but the second was a big disappointment… but from what I remember, Roberts’ two episodes were the best of a bad bunch.)

    #107920
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >this Silurian 2-parter

    What makes you think the Silurians are Chibnall’s 2-parter? Only ask ‘cos they were spotted on set quite early in shooting, pretty much around the time ep 1 was being shot. I thought it was a fairly safe assumption that ep one is “Sea Devils and Silurians in Scotland”.

    #107922
    ChrisM
    Participant

    This link was posted on another forum I visit.

    In a nutshell it provides a bit more detail concerning which writers are assigned which episodes. It doesn’t cover them all though.

    I’ll post a bit here for easy reference (with minor spoilers):

    Steven Moffat, showrunner, grabs six of the episodes, including the two part with Weeping Angels and the return of the Doctor?s possible future wife, River Song.

    Mark Gatiss, who wrote The Idiot?s Lantern brings us the World War II Daleks episode, mainstay Gareth Roberts writes one, Richard Curtis does the Vincent Van Gogh one, Toby Whithouse does the Venice vampire one, Chris Chibnall, I know I know, calm down, calm down, writes two, including the Silurian/Sea Devils episode, and creator of Men Behaving Badly and So How Do You Want Me writes one.

    Some nice recent snowy pictures there too.;)

    #107924
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >Do we know if Rob Shearman is likely to ever to get another shot?

    I heard he written a script and it has been held over to Series Two. Oh and speaking of the numbering thing, I posted this on IMDB and GB so I’ll repost it here, this is from the Moffat interview in DWM417 –
    “It’s Series Thirty-One of Doctor Who, and it’s Series One of Matt Smith’s Doctor, Those are both real numbers. I submit that ‘Series Five of Doctor Who’ means absolutely nothing unless you really believe that Matt Smith is the third Doctor. Everyone knows he’s the Eleventh Doctor so that means it’s definitely not ‘Series Five’. Whichever number you choose, ‘Series Five’ is the one that’s flawed.”

    “‘Series One’ is an exciting sentence. ‘Series Thirty-One’ is an awe-inspiring sentence. ‘Series Five’ is a boring sentence – and also a complete lie”

    #107925
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Are we back on this again? If the rule is, they reset by Doctor (and not showrunnner) why wasn’t the 2006 series called “Series One”? Sorry, Moff but your logic is bollocks.

    #107926
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >Sorry, Moff but your logic is bollocks.

    That is just snippets of the interview. Get DWM and read it yourself and it does make sense.

    #107927
    Jo
    Participant

    >Oh and speaking of the numbering thing…

    Please don’t start this again or I may just have to hunt you down and kill you.

    #107928
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    It’s Doctor Who. It’s new. Beyond that I honestly couldn’t care less about what number appears on the boxset at the end of the series.

    #107929
    JamesTC
    Participant

    In other news Shrek is writing an episode of Series One. Big fan according to Moffat.

    #107930
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > That is just snippets of the interview. Get DWM and read it yourself and it does make sense.

    Unless he completely retracts the quote you posted, then I’m afraid it’s nothing other than complete nonsense, for the reason Pete has already pointed out.

    #107931
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster
    #107933
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >Unless he completely retracts the quote you posted, then I?m afraid it?s nothing other than complete nonsense, for the reason Pete has already pointed out.

    The reason that Pete pointed out is not really the reason for calling it Series One, they had three choices, one of them being Series Five and it sounded, to the marketing department, to be an aging brand, another being Series One of Matt Smith’s series, another being Series Thirty-One, they picked the one that sounded new and exciting rather than the one whioch sounded like a show which was running out of steam (Series Five).

    #107937
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Of course, the marketing department are always going to a level headed bunch of people that should be listened to.

    And American shows never have problems when they start running to season 5 and beyond, do they? Friends never lost popularity because people were put off by the even increasing season numbers.

    It is marketing led bullshit working on logic that has already been proved wrong with hundreds of shows.

    #107938
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    (Apologies to Jo for continuing to beat on this particular drum, but sometimes arguing with SoundableObject is too tempting to resist.)

    #107940
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    I really don’t want to get into this debate as I don’t care all that much (although processing BBC residuals and figuring out which “series 1” the paperwork refers to is going to be FUN), but:

    >If the rule is, they reset by Doctor (and not showrunnner) why wasn?t the 2006 series called ?Series One??

    Er, how about: Moffat wasn’t in charge of the rules back then, but is now?

    #107942
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >And American shows never have problems when they start running to season 5 and beyond, do they? Friends never lost popularity because people were put off by the even increasing season numbers.

    I remember that episode of friends were the entire cast changed and the apartments were changed and the cafe was blown up. That was a good’un wasn’t it?

    #107944
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > I remember that episode of friends were the entire cast changed and the apartments were changed and the cafe was blown up. That was a good?un wasn?t it?

    Ok, I see the inherent problem comparing Doctor Who to any other TV show because of the way it can refresh itself, but when you have two series 1 of a series in 5 years it makes no sense at all. If the argument that higher numbers increase the chance that people lose interest in the show is the one that’s being used, then going by old trends they don’t have to worry until they get to about 20…

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