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  • #3002
    TheLeen
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    There’s something that I can’t work out…

    I know that “Baz” is short for Barry – which I personally find, well, a little odd. Then I saw “soz” for “sorry” and thought, ah, the Baz oddity.

    Now I’m reading “tomoz” (tomorry, obviously) – so if this is a common way to deal with words, I probably should know how, when, and most important: fucking why.

    Please clarify :x

    #93151
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Words like “tomoz” and “soz” are known as the language retarded.

    #93154
    ChrisM
    Participant

    It’s not really all that common really. I suppose ‘Baz’ sounds better than ‘Bar’ for Barry, (this is just me guessing.) ‘Soz’ and tomoz…’… I’m not sure when that came about. It’s not spoken English though (not that I’ve heard.) just people saving on letters in their typing. Like Txt speech, I suppose.

    Carry on writing the way you do. You’re English is very good. Certainly amongst the best I’ve seen for someone who doesn’t speak it as a first language. (That looks patronising, but I mean it.)

    I’ve been to some sites where the English makes me wince*. Not that it’s their fault. I don’t have much room to criticize, as the only other language I can speak is the first page of Polish I memorized from a Linguaphone book years ago. And that’s mostly phonetic.

    *And some of the people are actually English.

    #93155
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Thanks for the clarification! (And the compliment.)

    So I’ll caz on like before and not woz about any confusing occuznces of zs. Uhm, lol.

    #93157
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I feel a spanky mode coming on. Must resist… Gnnnnn!

    #93162
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    You?re English is very good.

    It’s better than yours, clearly.

    #93164
    JamesTC
    Participant

    You are English is very good, it sounds dirty.

    #93165
    Dave
    Participant

    >Teach me English

    You regularly trounce me at Scrabble in your second language. You don’t need know help from the likes of us’n.

    #93167
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Scrabble is a different matter. It’s more like a puzzle.

    It’s memorising Scrabble-successful words. Like… I know that BEZ and MOZ are valid words, but I have no idea what they mean. Sometimes I look them up. Sometimes I don’t. Actually I’d prefer to play long, beautiful, clever words like EQUINE or SQUIRE or ROCKET or CHEATER, but those don’t win you any games. ZA ZO XI XU QI do… :\

    #93168
    TheLeen
    Participant

    PS: didn’t know “trounce”! Ta!

    #93171
    Dave
    Participant

    >It?s more like a puzzle

    Did you mean purrle?

    #93175
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Like? I know that BEZ and MOZ are valid words, but I have no idea what they mean.

    BEZ (n): Ecstasy-munching Mancunian dancer.

    MOZ (n): Non-ecstasy-munching Mancunian singer.

    #93178
    TheLeen
    Participant

    >> It?s more like a puzzle
    > Did you mean purrle?

    Purryrryle!

    #93177
    ChrisM
    Participant

    >You?re English is very good.

    It?s better than yours, clearly.

    Smeg. Right under the radar.
    Fickle fingers.

    I do actually know when each form is supposed to be used. (E.g. I know they’re over there and it was their round. Now you’re here it’s yours…. etc.) but every now and again the wrong word will slip through. Especially if I’m typing fast.

    #93181
    ChrisM
    Participant

    And you’re right Symes. Often Marleen’s English IS better than mine. She actually used a word on another thread the other day I didn’t know. And she didn’t make it up either.

    #93183
    Dave
    Participant
    #93193
    James
    Participant

    Dave’s got no hands, how does he type? He uses a tool tip.

    #93246
    si
    Participant

    Or his knob.

    #93248
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    You ought to watch Filthy, Rich and Catflap, Marleen; there’s some fun abbreviations which never made it into popular parlance, such as ‘trub’ for trouble, and ‘priz’ for prison.

    #100217
    TheLeen
    Participant

    And again! Jeremy is “Jez”, apparently… why oh why oh why? Why, of all letters, does a “z” replace any number of “r”s? Argh!

    #100220
    Dave
    Participant

    We could start calling you Maz

    #100221
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Hahaha… right.

    I don’t think I’d like that very much. Interesting idea anyway.

    #100245
    Jo
    Participant

    I have a friend called Mariam who we call Maz.

    #100246
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I feel sorry for Jimmy, I just realised that doesn’t work, hmm, Jirair is a name.

    #100250
    pfm
    Participant

    Jizz.

    And yet Daniel is never ‘Daz’, thank god.

    #100254
    J_Spaced
    Participant

    >And yet Daniel is never ?Daz?, thank god.

    That would be Darren.

    #100258
    pfm
    Participant

    > That would be Darren.

    Thankyou for that revelation.

    #100269
    Carlito
    Participant

    ‘Gaz’ can be Gareth or Garry.

    Or Gascoigne….

    #100270
    Carlito
    Participant

    Of course, “Shaz” is Sharon.

    From here on, things get a little bit confusing…

    #100271
    Dave
    Participant

    “Waz” doesn’t mean Warry

    #100272
    Carlito
    Participant

    Could be short for Warren though.

    #100273
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    And then there’s “Jaz”, for “Jailbait”.

    #100274
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    (incidentally, this clearly isn’t that difficult a concept – the letter “r” after a vowel often gets turned into a “z” with the rest of the name chopped off. EASY.)

    #100275
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    He speaketh the truth.

    #100276
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    And then there?s ?Jaz?, for ?Jailbait?.

    *applauds*

    #100277
    Dave
    Participant

    >Could be short for Warren though.

    My bladder’s full to bursting, I’m gonna go behind that tree for a warren

    #100278
    TheLeen
    Participant

    (incidentally, this clearly isn?t that difficult a concept – the letter ?r? after a vowel often gets turned into a ?z? with the rest of the name chopped off. EASY.)

    Yeah, well.

    The initial question from post 1 remains. Why? What’s the correlation between “r” and “z” (of all the letters of the alphabet)?

    #100280
    Andrew
    Participant

    It’s a spoken thing, really – at least initially – so it’s not about replacing a letter so much as changing the sound. Shortening a name – Barry, Gareth, Darren, Sharon – kinda needs a hard sound at the end. (Andrew becomes Andy for the same reason. The R becomes a Y.)

    ‘Bar’, ‘Gar’, ‘Dar’ and ‘Shar’ don’t work well when spoken (though some Barrys use it, rhyming with ‘bare’) – you need something that’ll keep keep the ‘A’ short (‘Gah’ not ‘Gar’), along with a strong concluding sound. The Z achieves this, but because it’s ‘S-like’ it also doesn’t seem to be ‘adjusting’ the name as much as, say, a T or a K. We’re used to that S sound being thrown on the ends of words, so there’s less sense of the name being aggressive altered for truncation.

    (Again, the Y for Andy is a ‘smooth’ adjustment; people chuck Ys on the end of names to be chummy, so it doesn’t feel especially contorted. But then it’s also a practical problem, since you need to keep the D and then need a vowel sound – which the Y provides. ‘Andz or Anz’ just don’t work.)

    #100283
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Thanks. Or, as the Eperantinos would say, bonan dankon.

    #100299
    pfm
    Participant

    I know someone called Andrew who gets ‘And’ and that’s partly because (I swear to god this is true) his surname’s Dover. Though he calls himself ‘Andy’, which sounds funny enough anyway (in case you’re a bit slow, in a northern accent this sounds like ‘hand it over’)!

    He gets ‘Ben’ sometimes too, for the obvious reason. I don’t think I’ve ever laughed as much as when, years ago, we were round at his and his mum asked us, completely innocently, why we kept calling him ‘Ben’. Me and my other mate were rolling on the sofa crying.

    #100334
    peas_and_corn
    Participant

    And of course you have the Australian versions of these words- Dazza, Gazza, Shazza… But only Bogans use those nicknames.

    #100338
    Wilbur
    Participant

    The rest of us just use the suffix ‘o’ whenever we feel like it.

    “This arvo Davo and I went to the servo, stopped off at the bottleo and loaded up with a slab of piss”

    #100339
    peas_and_corn
    Participant

    Ahh yes, there’s that as well. It’s a little less bogan.

    #100350
    TheLeen
    Participant

    > He gets ?Ben? sometimes too, for the obvious reason.

    Took me 12 hours, but…

    Ah, ok. I get it. Hehe.

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