Whats the story with Katerina?

[ori-STUDFARM]

Obviously, Katerina is more than she seems!! The way she first appeared. The way she reappeared. The way she didn’t get sucked towards the portal. She seems obsessed with “offing” Rimmer! Whats the score!

Is she a part of the Squid. Is it polymorphical and taken her form! Is it all an illusion! Is it Rimmers hallucination rebeling against him as in BTL??

Answers on a postcard…….or just enter them here on this thread!!

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[Pete Part Three]

How does this thread compare to the identical one you made on your other RD forum, Ori?

[Carlito]

> Rimmer did because his pyche cant handle joy like in BTL

On this subject, it was only recently I realised that in Back to Reality during the ‘car chase’ scene, every single obstacle and setback is first pointed out by Rimmer, ie. he created each one of them. Very Rimmer, but I just hadn’t put two-and-two together before.

[Dessie]

>On this subject, it was only recently I realised that in Back to Reality during the ?car chase? scene, every single obstacle and setback is first pointed out by Rimmer, ie. he created each one of them. Very Rimmer, but I just hadn?t put two-and-two together before.

Very true, he even tells Cat that he’s been hit.

[Jonsmad]

Yeah someone pointed that out to me too about Back to Reality. Always calling back to BTL and the BTL novel too.

Rimmer gets happy though, they get away from katerina and he want to get out teh vodka, he’s really happy to find out he’s not rimmer, so it does start to effect him.

Cat’s speach about wanting to go a metaphysical oddessy I suppose could be seen as him enjoying the adventure.

[Mnoooah]

mmmmmmm, I haven’t seen it yet, but i suspect everyone else’s joy threads were mostly dropped. Ep 1 I did think was all going on in Rimmer’s head; Kremlin Kate spendt a lot of time explaining things to someone she planned to off… anyway, now to watch.

[ChrisM]

> So what was Katerina?

A plot device.

That makes sense to me. The ink makes them happy, but it does it in such a way that they’d believe. I.e. taking them back to Earth, and even more, the ability to create their own reality. Katarina provided the key. I suspect Lister and Cat’s libido might have played a part in the choice of her physical form mind you. And her nastiness to Rimmer could be due to his own warped mind as others have said.

[ChrisM]

>i suspect everyone else?s joy threads were mostly dropped.

Not necessarily. I think if the other two had decided to choose that reality they would have had godlike powers and happiness (limited in Rimmer’s case) too.

That being said, I think Lister has the strongest mind and will of the group. He doesn’t always use it but he has potential as mentioned in The Inquisitor. Cat is too thick. Rimmer too weak minded* and Kryten is ultimately servile. (Albeit he has broken is programming somewhat.)

*Actually Rimmer has potential too as illustrated by Ace and his heroism at the end of series 6, but he has to get past his issues.

[ori-STUDFARM]

>How does this thread compare to the identical one you made on your other RD forum, Ori?

Few more responses here.

Do you think BtE would have worked better without Katerina? They could have had Kryten create the dimension bazookoid thingy with the squid testacle. Katerina just seemed to me to be a bit of a distraction. I’d have prefered them to spend her wages on bringing Holly back.

[Dessie]

I liked having Katerina in it. She created some intrigue and a lot of people expected her to be the villain. She also became a threat to Rimmer and i enjoyed the scenes between the two.

[ori-STUDFARM]

I don’t feel like she was really a part of it. She made the portal when, in the past, Kryten has been able to and she turned up once only for Rimmer to push her in the road….can’t see the point. Especially when Norman was told Holly won’t be in it for budget reasons!

Although, I loved that Russian accent!!

[ChrisM]

>I liked having Katerina in it. She created some intrigue and a lot of people expected her to be the villain.

I agree. She was the first clue that things might not be quite what they seem. I loved the little clues along the way.

>I loved that Russian accent!!

Me too. It was delightful in it’s awfulness.

[si]

>Especially when Norman was told Holly won?t be in it for budget reasons!

No, Norman was told Holly won?t be in it for budget reasons.

[Pete Part Three]

Isn’t that the same thing?

[peas_and_corn]

>Do you think BtE would have worked better without Katerina? They could have had Kryten create the dimension bazookoid thingy with the squid testacle. Katerina just seemed to me to be a bit of a distraction. I?d have prefered them to spend her wages on bringing Holly back.

I liked Katerina and what she added to the story. Bringing Holly back always has been way down on my list of ‘things that should be in Dwarf’ because post-series 2 Holly became little more than a one-liner machine providing odd jokes here and there. Apart from White Hole, I cannot think of any episodes where Holly contributed to the sequence of events in an episode (…perhaps giving info about what the nanos did in Nanarchy? that’s about it).

[Mnoooah]

Holly was a bit active in season 8…

Yeah, I grudgingly admit Katarina did some important stuff. Not only was her presence unsettling (you knew something was amiss) but the fact that no one seemed to notice much heightened the weirdness. Her conversation with rimmer was a pretty good condensed version of every threat and guilt trip scene he’s ever had, and shoving her into the car was ‘kneeing death in the nuts redux’.

I realise, much later, unfortunately, that she was literally, a plot ‘device’ heh heh, for some actually pretty good homages. I guess it’s a good thing really that most of us seem to feel she had more potential than that.

[peas_and_corn]

Yes, Holly was ‘active’, but what did he actually do besides provide one-liners?

[Mnoooah]

Fucked up their rescue in Back in the Red, Programmed the Nanobots, lied to Lister about the Canaries, that’s almost more than he did in season 1.

[Mnoooah]

Anyway, Holly’s defining characteristc is that he’s daft. Hanging around dispensing one liners is well within his remit.

[Jonsmad]

Holly was pivotal in Back to Reality as well, saved the day at the end.

Watching the Katerina death scene again, I think she wasnt on location. To save budget her final part was shot against green screen on her day or days of filming, and Rimmer delivered most of his side of things from the location, I think. It kind of seems that way to me anyway.

[hummingbird]

> Watching the Katerina death scene again, I think she wasnt on location. To save budget her final part was shot against green screen on her day or days of filming, and Rimmer delivered most of his side of things from the location, I think. It kind of seems that way to me anyway.

yes, noticed that last night.

[Ian Symes]

We reckon (and by we, I mean all the stragglers who were still at my place last night) that scene is comprised of three different elements – the road (which appears to be the entrance to Shepperton Studios), the crew on green screen, and also the cars are keyed in too.

[Jonsmad]

Ok. But Rimmer and Katerina seem seperate from each other in the performance to me just slightly also. Although it’s more than one shot the whole scene.

[Ian Symes]

Oh, I see what you mean now, sorry. Yes, I did notice something weird about Katerina in that scene too – it’s entirely possible she was comped in seperately to the others.

[Mr Flibble]

it?s entirely possible she was comped in seperately to the others.

Considering it would make her dying much easier to film, I’m guessing so.

[TheLeen]

Rimmer did because his pyche cant handle joy like in BTL so despite being infected he creates a nemasis the moment he gets infected. Lister, cat and kryten one of them gets the joy of the leviathan leaving which is a good thing, then rimmmer trys to mess it up

Only just saw part three, and thought this. And then I came here to let everyone know about it. Of course you’ve all figured it out already. Well, Jonsmad has. Ehhh… yes. I’ll shut up now…

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