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  • #234194

    Jawscvmcdia

    If Red Dwarf was ever to be rebooted with new cast members, would you watch it? If so, who would you like to play the characters?

    #234195

    Timewave Part Two

    That’s heresy, Jawscvmcdia

    Punish yourself accordingly

    #234208

    Taiwan Tony

    If it was funny.
    I’d like it to be little known alternative comedians. Not the round faced buoyant common denominator pushers of the mainstream circuit.
    I’d like to play Kryten. I was born in Northampton, too, so it’s a shoe in.

    #234209

    Dax101

    Feel like the US version is the closest we have to a reboot currently

    #234210

    Ben Saunders

    I bet if they remade Red Dwarf today the BBCuck would make two of the leads minorities and cast a fucking woman as the computer

    #234217

    bloodteller

    the US pilot was quite good. but i definitely wouldn’t want to see a Red Dwarf remake now

    #234222

    bloodteller

    they’d probably get some bellend like James Corden in as Lister, instantly ruining it

    in terms of recasting I think Peter Lorre would be good as Rimmer, but he died 55 years ago so that’s not really an option

    #234223

    Dave

    Of course I would watch it. That doesn’t mean it’s a good idea though.

    #234224

    Ben Saunders

    >James Corden in as Lister
    Jesus Christ.

    Or Jack Whitehall as Rimmer.
    Jesus Christ.

    #234226

    International Debris

    But who’d play Jesus Christ?

    #234229

    bloodteller

    ricky gervais

    #234231

    GlenTokyo

    I’m the opposite of Taiwan Tony, I’d only watch it if it wasn’t funny (on purpose obviously).

    Same story, but done as a more serious tone, not bleak and depressing but not a comedy.

    Spend more time on board before the accident getting to know peeps and then really dig in the accident.

    #234233

    bloodteller

    i don’t think i could enjoy Red Dwarf if it wasn’t a comedy tbh.

    well i suppose maybe if it was like Blake’s 7 i could enjoy it. but then Blake’s 7 is exceptional

    #234236

    GlenTokyo

    I just don’t think modern funny people are as subtle/ have the layers and it’d be shit. Like Dave’s other scripted sitcom thing Zzaped or whatever it was.

    #234238

    bloodteller

    i saw Zapped. i liked the old drunken wizard character, whoever played him was alright. everyone else was shit though

    equally though i think a Red Dwarf remake that took itself seriously wouldn’t work at all, that’d be shit too.

    #234253

    flanl3

    Have the accident end the first series. Have Lister go into stasis as punishment and make that seem like the final moment, then suddenly watch fireballs and explosive winds take down the corridors and everybody’s gone, final shot of Lister’s face behind all this madness.

    #234259

    GlenTokyo

    Yeah flanl, make him going into stasis seem like the big moment, the oh shit bit, drop a few moments in through the episode of Rimmer bemoaning Lister not being around and then non event mass with a quantum probability of zero, freeze, and boom, fireballs, bulkheads sealing too slowly and being blown apart, an external shot of the ship with atmosphere venting, end credits.

    I’d watch that shit.

    #234295

    Jo TORDFC

    Nah.

    #234299

    bloodteller

    >final shot of Lister’s face behind all this madness

    somehow i misread this as “Lister’s face grins, he is behind all this madness” and was incredibly disturbed

    #234305

    Pete Part Three

    So, a whole series of completely non-typical Red Dwarf episodes and then a cliffhanger, promising a completely different type of show for a next series that has no guarantee of being commissioned?

    Isn’t this Red Dwarf VIII?

    #234310

    GlenTokyo

    No, like Game of Thrones, where shit usually goes down in episode 8 and then you have 2 more episodes to deal with it.

    #234312

    bloodteller

    >Same story, but done as a more serious tone, not bleak and depressing but not a comedy.

    hang on, doesn’t most of Red Dwarf hinge on it being a comedy? a lot of the character interactions, particularly Lister and Rimmer, are based around them annoying the living shit out of each other. and the Cat spends a lot of time bouncing around like a feline dervish. i dunno how you could do a lot of that without making it funny- even in the novels, which take themselves rather more seriously, there are still some incredibly funny bits.

    Rimmer and Lister doing their black card/white card routine and trying to not make it funny would just be incredibly strange, surely?

    #234313

    bloodteller

    plus a serious Red Dwarf would be no fun at all- even in stuff like Back To Reality, which is a pretty dark narrative there are great jokes and laughs throughout that definitely make it all the more enjoyable

    #234314

    GlenTokyo

    Just not the obvious “jokes”, set up, punchline stuff, you can still have a funny moments in a program and it be more serious.

    Have the character humour but have more exploration into the more serious consequences and shiz that are currently left alone for the sake of woofers.

    #234315

    tombow

    what if it was like some “passing the torch” Force Awakens thing where they find one of Lister’s sons who is in our dimension now, and he’s a funny slob with a fussy hologram and some kind of funny animal person, (all age 25 ish), and they hand over to them for a new “next generation” show.

    #234316

    GlenTokyo

    Yeah I reckon they could do that, sort of backdoor pilot it. Whether people would be receptive I don’t know.

    Maybe if they did it like Voyager, with an overlap where there are two series running alongside each other it’d be easier to get people on board.

    #234319

    bloodteller

    i dunno, i don’t feel like you could really do Red Dwarf without Craig, Chris, Danny and Robert. they sort of are Red Dwarf i think. it’s one of those things i just don’t think you could hand over to other actors without it going awfully wrong, like Peter Sellers as Clouseau or Joel and Mike from MST3K as the Test Subjects.

    i definitely wouldn’t watch Red Dwarf: The Next Generation, it just wouldn’t be Red Dwarf anymore.

    #234320

    bloodteller

    it’d probably end up like that ghastly Ghostbusters remake

    #234324

    GlenTokyo

    It’s been a while since I’ve seen the new Ghostbusters but I remember thinking ‘that would have been really good without Melissa McCarthy’ because she is a “funny actor” to almost pantomime levels of overacting things whereas Kristen Wiig for example is just a good actor really (although she started in comedy). I feel like that would happen to Red Dwarf if they added a new cast member now, they’d go for a Dave mandated “funny actor” and it’d get right on everyone’s tits, like Poochy from the Simpsons.

    #234325

    Dave

    So the suggestions so far are changing the cast, changing the story, changing the format, taking out the jokes and making it a more serious sci-fi show? That all sounds excellent. I hope they get rid of the big spaceship too.

    #234326

    GlenTokyo

    Reboots usually don’t share the same cast to be fair.

    Jack Lord would’ve looked really rough in the Hawaii Five-0 reboot, he’d been dead for 12 years when that started.

    #234327

    bloodteller

    I think they should have this reboot set on Earth, and be about a guy trying to get home for Thanksgiving rather than get back to his home planet. The cast will be Steve Martin and John Candy, and it’ll be written by John Hughes.

    Wait a minute, that’s just Planes, Trains And Automobiles…

    #234332

    Katydid

    Reboots usually don’t share the same cast to be fair.

    You could just be like the rest of the internet and use the word “reboot” to describe a revival of a show that’s directly continuing the original run with the same cast. I’m pretty sure most people think _any_ show returning is a “reboot” even when it’s fucking not.

    #234334

    Dave

    The Netflix reboot of Reboot uses quite a few of the original Reboot cast in its reboot of Reboot, and that’s the rebootiest reboot I can think of.

    #234336

    Flap Jack

    it’d probably end up like that ghastly Ghostbusters remake

    You mean it’d be a hugely enjoyable new take on the core concept of Red Dwarf, released 27 years after the most recent regular series, when all hope of reuniting the original cast for a non-reboot continuation has been lost anyway?

    OK, well I was sceptical about the idea of a Red Dwarf reboot in general, but you’ve convinced me!

    #234339

    tombow

    The Ghostbusters cartoon had a “next gen” show in 1997, where they had a new young cast but kept the old ones around as mentors. That could be a model for a new Dwarf

    #234342

    bloodteller

    >You mean it’d be a hugely enjoyable new take on the core concept of Red Dwarf, released 27 years after the most recent regular series, when all hope of reuniting the original cast for a non-reboot continuation has been lost anyway?

    No

    #234343

    Dave

    The Ghostbusters cartoon had a “next gen” show in 1997, where they had a new young cast but kept the old ones around as mentors. That could be a model for a new Dwarf

    I don’t think they should make Red Dwarf about ghostbusters

    #234344

    Dave

    The Ghostbusters cartoon had a “next gen” show in 1997, where they had a new young cast but kept the old ones around as mentors. That could be a model for a new Dwarf

    Seriously though, “last human being alive trains his successor”… I feel like there’s a logic gap there, I just can’t put my finger on it.

    #234345

    Timewave Part Two

    You mean it’d be a hugely enjoyable new take on the core concept of Red Dwarf, released 27 years after the most recent regular series, when all hope of reuniting the original cast for a non-reboot continuation has been lost anyway?

    OK, well I was sceptical about the idea of a Red Dwarf reboot in general, but you’ve convinced me!

    Are you under the influence

    #234346

    Ben Saunders

    >Hugely enjoyable

    #234348

    tombow

    Well, we know Lister is fated in at least some time-lines to have sons who return to his Red Dwarf, so it’s not a complete departure. I’ve always wanted to see what is going on in RD during that future, and which characters are around.

    #234349

    bloodteller

    maybe they were referring to the Ghostbusters remake in 2008’s “Be Kind, Rewind” where Jack Black’s character has to swede the entirety of the film on no budget at all. because that was hugely enjoyable

    #234350

    Dave

    That was basically what Back To Earth was, though.

    #234354

    GlenTokyo

    I’d say Ghostbusters was about as enjoyable as any other summer blockbuster comedy film. It’s not as good as Ghostbusters obviously but it was fine. 6.5/10.

    Not going to stand outside Sony HQ screaming for a sequel but I’m not going to set fire to a paper bag full of shit on their doorstep either.

    #234355

    Lily

    I kinda feel that the whole “last human” thing died a long time ago. Every series they’re meeting more and more people. Even when those people get killed off in various ways it still demonstrates that Lister is far from the last human alive.

    #234357

    Dave

    He is, though.

    #234358

    bloodteller

    Lister being the last human only felt like it had any gravity and meaning in Series I-II. You had scenes like him being alone in the disco, or lines like “I knew he was dead…I mean, they’re all dead, aren’t they?” which really made it feel like it really was just him and Rimmer- everyone they knew has been dead for millenia, all that’s left are these two guys in the infinite blackness of space.

    from Series III onwards it doesn’t really matter as much, and as of Series VIII the entire Red Dwarf crew are driving around in space somewhere

    #234359

    Timewave Part Two

    The show made a good transition from character-driven comedy in mostly enclosed environments to including more science-fiction elements where the adventures were usually the basis for the comedy and the characters interacted around that. Think that’s a good summary, idk

    #234361

    International Debris

    He is, though.

    Potentially, although there’s every chance Kochanski and [some of] the rest of the crew are still out there alive.

    #234363

    Timewave Part Two

    Potentially, although there’s every chance Kochanski and [some of] the rest of the crew are still out there alive.

    idk about the rest of you, but I feel if Red Dwarf is taking a turn towards more dramatic elements Kochanski reappearing is an inevitability; of course something entirely different could happen but Kochanski is the only story element that hasn’t appeared yet but has been frequently mentioned in recent series

    #234365

    International Debris

    To be fair, she’s not been mentioned since Entangled, and in Krysis they did travel in stasis for an unspecified amount of time. So maybe everybody else is dead. Dave.

    #234367

    Timewave Part Two

    Think Rimmer mentioned Kochanski in ‘Skipper’, I don’t have much to say about the stasis thing cause it’d mostly be compiled out of assumptions and speculation

    #234370

    Dave

    Everything we know at the moment points to all the other humans being dead – even Kochanski and the rest of the crew would be dead of old age by now, given the use of stasis.

    If future episodes pull a twist and reveal that they are alive after all, that’s fine. But as things stand at the moment, everybody’s dead, Dave.

    #234372

    Timewave Part Two

    Like I said most of the situation revolves around assumptions and speculations

    Remember Starbug had stasis too, there could very well be crew that are still alive; we really know nothing and I don’t think the boys do either

    #234375

    Hamish

    Wait. Are you trying to tell me everybody’s dead?

    #234376

    International Debris

    They could also have only been in Stasis for a couple of years.
    And fuck knows how Kochanski’s survived for this long.
    So yeah.

    #234379

    bloodteller

    in Entangled they state Kochanski was 31 the last time Lister saw her- which was nine years before the events of Back To Earth. so she’s 40 at the earliest

    #234381

    Warbodog

    We see so many humans by spending just a small amount of time with this crew, travelling through a tiny portion of space far away from Earth, that it just seems probable there are shitloads of humans in stasis or timewaving up all over the place.

    #234382

    si

    David Mitchell as Rimmer.

    #234436

    si

    And Bill Bailey as Holly.

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