Got a photograph, picture of News Posted by Ian Symes on 4th April 2009, 11:28 Now, if we can just about calm down for a minute, the Radio Times website has published ten brand new behind the scenes pictures! How quaint such a thing seems after a full length trailer and the announcement of a 500-strong gathering in the centre of London. But still, massively interesting pictures, among which are some spoilers for Back To Earth… Right so, you know the drill. Picture One: A man in a nice warm hat takes a hammer to Carbug’s back window. Hey! Either this is a plot point, or they locked their keys in it or something… Picture Two: Carbug being parked outside the Rovers. Hooray! Not much to say about this one, however… Picture Three: IT’S NOT KOCHANSKI’S FUNERAL, IT’S RIMMER’S! There’s pictures of both Series I-era Rimmer and Series VIII-era Rimmer, as well as a blank frame, and presumably some others on Lister’s side. Assumption has certainly made an ass of u and me – he’s mourning for Rimmer, not Kochanski, like you and Skeletor think. This puts a whole new spin on it, and says a lot about how Lister and Rimmer’s relationship has changed over the years. The first time Rimmer died, Lister took the piss out of his report book. The second time Rimmer died, Lister shrugged his shoulders and walked off. Now, he’s tending his grave. Are we to assume, then, that Series VIII Rimmer died at the end of Series VIII, and that the Back To Earth Rimmer is his hologram? Or it could be that Series VIII Rimmer doesn’t get brought back – hence Lister’s sadness – and that Series I-VII Rimmer turns up again having got bored of being Ace. Either makes sense. Judging on past form, it’ll probably be neither. Picture Four: Danny John-Jules’s big happy face. At least you can’t see his cock in this one. Picture Five: Cor, look at the green screen on that! Huge, and highly impressive. Of course, we’ve seen it in action as part of the trailer, and it looks as though the scale of the studio set-up is being beautifully realised on screen. Picture Six: It’s the portal gun and the tentacle! The RT write-up says they’re not sure what the tentacle belongs to. It’s the giant leviathan, obviously. Can someone please dig out that photo of the unused Despair Squid model, so that we can compare and contrast? Picture Seven: It’s a set we’ve never seen before! A big four poster bed and the like, but against a plain black background. Either a background is going to be comped in (you can key off any colour, it doesn’t have to be green or blue), or this is some sort of fantasy sequence. Or, neither. Or both. Nothing would surprise me any more with this production. Anyway, what exactly are Lister and Cat up to here? Picture Eight: SO MANY THINGS. Firstly, Robert and Doug having a lol with each other, excellent. But what’s going on with Kryten’s costume? In place of his normal chest monitor, he’s got some sort of sleek thing made out of different slats. And look! There are two girls dressed ostensibly as Lister! Are they supposed to be fans, or some sort of weird alternate versions? Picture Nine: Skulls. Strangely reminiscent of Knightmare. Picture Ten: Oh good, it’s Fan Club chairman and G&T regular James Bull. At least they had the good sense to cover his face with a gas mask. This shot is clearly from the running-around-getting-shot-by-a-big-bastard sequence. Which begs the question: where are they, if members of the public are required to wear gas masks? Join us tomorrow, when – the way things are going – Doug Naylor will announce plans to come to every individual fan’s house for a good old chat, whilst letting us all have a go on Sophie Winkleman.
Curious that the photos on the grave are of series I and VIII Rimmer. However, I’m assuming that it’s VIII that’s been killed off, due to the fact that we see Lister in his DJ in the bunkroom scene with holo!Rimmer.
The grave pic is a bit too spoilerish, but I’m looking forward to Lister mourning his friend rather than Kochanski. Just seems like there’s more potential for both comedy and drama.
It is a little spoilerish the grave, I know what you mean, but it’s not as if we didnt know there was a hologramme rimmer in these specials.
Do we know for sure that Lister is mourning the Rimmer that comes back as a hologram? Do the clips in the new trailer suggest that even the hologram Rimmer might buy the farm? I’m intrigued.
“Join us tomorrow, when – the way things are going – Doug Naylor will announce plans to come to every individual fan?s house for a good old chat, whilst letting us all have a go on Sophie Winkleman.” I’ve fixed my doorbell just in case.
Are we to assume, then, that Series VIII Rimmer died at the end of Series VIII, and that the Back To Earth Rimmer is his hologram? Or it could be that Series VIII Rimmer doesn?t get brought back – hence Lister?s sadness – and that Series I-VII Rimmer turns up again having got bored of being Ace. Either makes sense. Judging on past form, it?ll probably be neither. I’m going to take a big leap – Series VIII Rimmer is dead. Series I-VII Rimmer is still Ace. BTE Rimmer is a new hologram copy of Series I-VII Rimmer, because all his actions and personality changes were constantly logged by the hologram computer while he was being a hologram, and so were retained right up to the point at which he left. I’m going to take another big leap and suggest that this is the opening scene and we’re being lead to believe that Rimmer’s dead until A-HA! Lister walks into the bunkroom and there he is. Do the clips in the new trailer suggest that even the hologram Rimmer might buy the farm? Nah, ‘cos we’ve seen Lister in the bunkroom with BTE Rimmer. Also, I think the photos have been specifically chosen as series VIII publicity pics for a reason. Incidentally, how fucking brilliant is it that even though we know that Rimmer in SOME form is in the specials as a main character, and from what we’ve seen is ENTIRELY Rimmerish, and yet we have NO FUCKING CLUE as to who the hell he actually is and where he’s come from?
The RT write-up says they?re not sure what the tentacle belongs to. It?s the giant leviathan, obviously. Can someone please dig out that photo of the unused Despair Squid model, so that we can compare and contrast?
I?m going to take a big leap – Series VIII Rimmer is dead. Series I-VII Rimmer is still Ace. BTE Rimmer is a new hologram copy of Series I-VII Rimmer, because all his actions and personality changes were constantly logged by the hologram computer while he was being a hologram, and so were retained right up to the point at which he left. I?m going to take another big leap and suggest that this is the opening scene and we?re being lead to believe that Rimmer?s dead until A-HA! Lister walks into the bunkroom and there he is. This would be perfect. And the hardlight bee?
>Can someone please dig out that photo of the unused Despair Squid model, so that we can compare and contrast? Funny, I thought it looked more like the Space Squid that was in that music vid by The Darkness.
Funny, I thought it looked more like the Space Squid that was in that music vid by The Darkness. I love you even more than I did yesterday.
We know that the grave scene comes around the same time as cat comes into the bunk room scene looking bedraggled, because lister is wearing the same dinner jacket. And in the cat scene there is a rimmer sitting in the set. So from that it seems more likely he’s mourning a human Rimmer who has died, perhaps along with kochanski and more. We also had text that suggested a hologramme aging, which suggests whatever the generated memories of the current holo Rimmer, he’s been around a while or is a version generated of an older Rimmer. It’s a guess but I’d place the dinner jacket scenes near the start of episode one. But no it’s not confirmed beyond the picture evidence and yes it does look like hard light rimmer gets into some scapes.
>I love you even more than I did yesterday. Aw, shucks… Also, just an idea, but might the book Listy was seen reading from at Rimmer’s graveside be “My Diary, by Arnold J. Rimmer’?
This is going to be a very long 6 days, any one have a spare stasis chamber? those photos are great, the only sad thing is that for people who haven’t got the Internet (okay not many) won’t see these. hopefully these will be in Back to Earth’s photo gallery on the DVD when it comes out.
couldnt it be possible this a double grave? maybe kochanski and rimmer were killed at same time, and the side lister is looking at is for kochanski and the other side is for rimmer? i very much doubt doug would forget about kochanski as it is suppost to have some emotional impact on lister in the story so i think some might be jumpin to conclusions about it being for rimmer
>Funny, I thought it looked more like the Space Squid that was in that music vid by The Darkness. my fav band and this did not cross my mind once *slaps forehead*
The Darkness are your FAVOURITE band? Try that forehead slapping thingy again, only a little bit harder and with the aid of a welding mallet.
An intriguing suggestion Dax, with only two minor drawbacks: one, there’s no pictures of Kochanski at the grave but there are pictures of Rimmer, and two, why would Lister bury the woman he loves and the man he can’t stand in the same grave?
Because just because he “can’t stand” Rimmer doesn’t mean that he isn’t his best (ok, only) friend, or that poor old Lister hasn’t become institutionalised and maybe just a little fond of Goalpost Head during their hundreds of years together. In fact, I think this has already been established, and Lister and Rimmer have not been arch-enemies for a good few series.
i cant see it being i-vii rimmer surely would take to much explanation and a casual fan would be confused. i suspect that it will be rimmer died same time as kochanski and he has recently been braught back , but then again the stuff about holograms aging would suggests he has been around for a while, and rimmer with a big cut on his head in the trailer ? thats got me more confused
There is always the chance that NONE of the which-Rimmer-is-it stuff will be explained at all. If they want to go straight back into telling a story, maybe they won’t see it as important – and will just let fandom fill in the gaps…
lets get real in red dwarf logic, why would lister go visit rimmers grave, its more likely its kochanski he is upset over id guess rimmers side is just to let us (the viewers at home) know rimmer died also. i know it dont make much sense to have them both in the same grave but it dont look right for lister to forget about kochanski and visit rimmers grave when he has already been brought back as (his annoying self) hologramme
Richey, Dax said it was a double grave with memories of Kochanski on one side and memories of Rimmer on the other. We can only see one side of the grave. Therefore it’s entirely plausable that there are pictures of Kochanski ON THE OTHER SIDE. Secondly, surely the bodies of Rimmer and Kochanski wouldn’t actually be buried there anyway? The grave must be onboard Red Dwarf which makes it almost impossible to bury stuff and therefore Rimmer and Kochanski wouldn’t actually be buried with eachother. From the evidence we’ve seen of deaths and funerals on board Red Dwarf/Starbug the remains have always been launched into space, not buried. The gravestone is more likely to stand as a memorial to Rimmer/Kochanski/both of them rather than a “Here lies…” kind of thing.
If it is a double gravestone, the pics of Kochanski would be facing Lister, whereas we’re looking at those of Rimmer.
We don’t know that this scene isn’t set on Earth. Okay, we’ve seen Lister in the gear and carrying the book around on board the ship… doesn’t mean the grave is actually on the ship too, this scene could come much later on. Only sayin’.
We know Rimmer dies, therefore photos of Rimmer on the grave won’t be too jarring. What SHOULD be in the empty frame though? And who are in the photos on the front of the grave? Kochanski? Or the rest of the crew?
One odd thing comes to mind, how does the episode start with a busy day of annoying Rimmer if he is dead and not a hologram yet, does Lister taunt the grave?
Maybe BTE Rimmer is Rimmer with memories from all the series – he’s only a computer program so they could load him up with everything any Rimmer around Lister has experienced.
Going back to the Radio Times gallery mentioned in the article – they have three galleries – a BtE one, a behind the scenes and a ‘classic Dwarf’ one. In this, they get some captioning off, but there’s one photo I can’t recall ever seeing before: http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/galleries/red-dwarf/18/ However, I realise that it’s not from series eight – Craig has sideburns (and, it appears, no dreadlocks) and Chris’ hair is too long. Any ideas?
> However, I realise that it?s not from series eight – Craig has sideburns (and, it appears, no dreadlocks) and Chris? hair is too long. Any ideas? It’s from that BBC Comedy advert – made, I think, in 1999. Loads of Beeb faces cut together telling a joke – Stephen Fry, French & Saunders, Ronnie Corbett…and a very quick shot of Rimmer and Lister.
>One odd thing comes to mind, how does the episode start with a busy day of annoying Rimmer if he is dead and not a hologram yet, does Lister taunt the grave? nothing says rimmer aint already a hologramme and nothing says he is there for rimmer :)
> It?s from that BBC Comedy advert – made, I think, in 1999. Loads of Beeb faces cut together telling a joke – Stephen Fry, French & Saunders, Ronnie Corbett?and a very quick shot of Rimmer and Lister. Then why, praytell, has this never made it onto a DVD?
My god they both look so stupid in that pic. 10 years later and they look MORE like Rimmer and Lister than they ever did during VIII. > There is always the chance that NONE of the which-Rimmer-is-it stuff will be explained at all. I doubt they’d have the pics on the grave if it wasn’t going to be mentioned. Here’s my take on it – it IS the VIII Rimmer’s grave and Lister is mourning him in this way because in the last 9 years they actually became great friends. The joke will be that we’re supposed to think he’s mourning Krissie but it zooms out and we see those Rimmer pics (this joke is now blown, obviously), then he’ll say what great friends they were. Cut to the bunkroom and Rimmer will come walking in hilariously in a similar way to in The End. Then they’ll reveal this is the original Rimmer hologram and he’s just as bastard-like as ever. They don’t need to explain how he came back or anything, Doug could just tell us this in an interview.
>(this joke is now blown, obviously) Because given how well planned everything else has been, they’d obviously be careless enough to throw away the punchline of a joke like this?
Then why, praytell, has this never made it onto a DVD? Because they’d have to pay to use the images of the dozens of comedy stars involved.
10 years later and they look MORE like Rimmer and Lister than they ever did during VIII. Despite the aging, Rimmer certainly looks more like his earlier 1-6 version (if there’s such a thing as he changed slightly in appearance throughout the series) than he did in 8. He’s lost weight around the chops! Just out of curiosity, (and I’m not making a point here, I’m just curious) would you* like Rimmer’s personality exactly how it was in the earlier series, or would you like the nine years development be taken into account? For realism purposes I think the latter makes sense, but I have to admit I’d like to see some of what we saw before, but I’d be happy with some mid-ground. Of course 9 years doesn’t necessarily mean a progression. We don’t know all they’ve been through after all. I did notice in that exchange between Lister and Kryten on the escalator that whilst the word he says are unkind, and callous, the delivery is very matter of fact, rather than the wounding tone he’d use in past series. (Not that it’s completely out of nowhere.) That’s not to say he didn’t intend it to be callous, it just made me think.
>Then why, praytell, has this never made it onto a DVD? I dare say one day a copy will end up on YouTube
It was on youtube. At some point someone posted the link here…it was a bunch of different people contributing a line or two to a shaggy dog story; youtube is the only way I would have ever seen it. Someone must have favorited it at the time…but it wasn’t me…
> Because they?d have to pay to use the images of the dozens of comedy stars involved. I’d thought of that already when I posted, but intended to sound all huffety. Difficult to put this across in text form.
> it was a bunch of different people contributing a line or two to a shaggy dog story Yes, I remember seeing it back in the day. It’ll be on youtube somewhere, surely?
If only there was some means of narrowing down the database of videos on Youtube, perhaps by inputting applicable key words.
>What is the music you used for that? It’s from the latest Trek trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ETDE0VGJY4&fmt=18
Here is that joke video that was being sort a long time back. 1.44 for the Red Dwarf apearance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv3bkGuKs-o
