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  • #105886
    Julian Hazeldine
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    Now then.

    #105893
    littlesmegger
    Participant

    Mini teaser trailer just came on after Tennant’s stint on The Graham Norton Show. On which he kinda let slip that Doctor’s 10 and 11 meet… so I’m presuming Rose’s half-Doctor turns up and hangs around during the regneration.

    #105896
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    > so I?m presuming Rose?s half-Doctor turns up and hangs around during the regneration.

    You presume incorrectly.

    #105898
    Muzzy
    Participant

    > On which he kinda let slip that Doctor?s 10 and 11 meet

    He didn’t really do that at all. At the most he implied they’d been on set together but before he could really clarify Norton jumped in and started putting words in his mouth. I believe Tennant’s reply was then “it’s not that straight-forward.”

    #105966
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    They could meet in a dream, given the hints about the unreality of some of it.

    #105968
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    > They could meet in a dream, given the hints about the unreality of some of it.

    There is precedent for this – the Watcher, who was “the Doctor all along!”. Except he wasn’t. Or was he? Or WAS he? OR WAS HE?

    #106048
    steven87gill
    Participant

    But aren’t they playing the same character? Okay different personality but the same consciousness.

    #106055
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    What’s that got to do with anything?

    #106059
    steven87gill
    Participant

    Well, everything really, since Matt Smith is playing the same character as DT, and he’d basically be meeting himself, i understand it could be explained through time travel and/or a dream sequence but it would feel a bit odd.

    #106060
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >he?d basically be meeting himself

    Off the top of my head –
    The 3 Doctors
    The 5 Doctors
    The 2 Doctors
    The 8 Doctors
    Time Crash
    Zagreus
    The Sirens of Time
    Dimensions in Time

    #106061
    steven87gill
    Participant

    Yes, i know they’ve done it before but i think they’ll want to keep it unique this time and maybe do it through some sort of dream sequence, or my personal favourite, DT looking in the mirror and seeing a quick glimpse of MS.

    #106062
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >DT looking in the mirror and seeing a quick glimpse of MS.

    ‘The Power of the Daleks’ I believe.

    #106063
    steven87gill
    Participant

    Okay, now you’re just being a smart arse :):):)

    #106064
    JamesTC
    Participant

    ‘Bad Wolf’ I believe. Oh wait that is gun arse.

    #106065
    steven87gill
    Participant

    stop it! :) :) :)

    #106067
    Andrew
    Participant

    Oh now that’s definitely Daleks in Manhattan.

    #106069
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Really? I thought it was Rose.

    #106145
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    I really enjoyed tonights Episode. They are milking the death of the 10th dr a bit, but over all I enjoyed this a lot, when I’d switched off mentally a bit watching some parts of the Next Dr and the Planet of the Dead. It certainly ramped up at the end I enjoyed the darker side of how it was going for the Dr, and thought the monsters were a good twist of the norm and felt like a good up date of early who black and white ideas in terms of how to do a human becomes monster.

    #106148
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Atleast they didn’t have to give a random character precognition to tell the Doctor he would die.

    #106149
    steven87gill
    Participant

    After watching confidential i find it a bit silly that RTD seems to think you can only take the doctor down this different darker path at the end of his time, why? What’s wrong with taking the doctor down this sort of darker storyline direction more often? Has he not seen 24? Jack bower shooting old lady’s in the leg? Erm, maybe that’s an extreme example but you see the point

    Just because he regenerates into matt smith doesn’t mean the reset button needs to be pushed and he’s back to good ol’ jovial doctor who follows the ‘rules of time’ (he owns a time machine, that’s sort of breaking the rules already) and everythings okay at the end. That’s silly, it would feel like a backward step after this.

    #106151
    JamesTC
    Participant

    The confidential opening titles have the new TARDIS in.

    #106152
    Somebody
    Participant

    And the dot in “DOCTOR ? WHO | CONFIDENTIAL” is back to being a little Tardis for the first time since DWC S1.

    #106159
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > After watching confidential i find it a bit silly that RTD seems to think you can only take the doctor down this different darker path at the end of his time, why? What?s wrong with taking the doctor down this sort of darker storyline direction more often? Has he not seen 24? Jack bower shooting old lady?s in the leg? Erm, maybe that?s an extreme example but you see the point

    Just because he regenerates into matt smith doesn?t mean the reset button needs to be pushed and he?s back to good ol? jovial doctor who follows the ?rules of time? (he owns a time machine, that?s sort of breaking the rules already) and everythings okay at the end. That?s silly, it would feel like a backward step after this.

    Well it kind of does doesn’t it? Who isn’t like 24. It’s an established show that always needs to come back to a core set of rules. Yes over time those rules will change as the show needs to evolve to reflect it’s audience. Each Doctor is different anyway, so I can’t imagine Moffat intends to simply re-run over RTD stuff.

    #106168

    > The confidential opening titles have the new TARDIS in.

    I think it’s just the old Tardis with the St John’s sticker on there. I don’t think it has the white windows. Aaaaagh!!!

    The Biggest Reset Button Of All Time, Christmas Day and New Year’s Day, BBC1.

    #106174
    steven87gill
    Participant

    I know it seems silly, but i wouldn’t put some sort of time-reset button off the cards for TEOT

    This is RTD after all, not a critisism, just a theory.

    Karl
    ”Well it kind of does doesn?t it? Who isn?t like 24. It?s an established show that always needs to come back to a core set of rules. Yes over time those rules will change as the show needs to evolve to reflect it?s audience. Each Doctor is different anyway, so I can?t imagine Moffat intends to simply re-run over RTD stuff.”

    Sorry, The 24 reference was a bit silly and sort of in jest.

    I agree, i like to think the Doctor’s various experiences inform his mental state after each regeneration, i’d like to see a little bit of that darker nature/arrogance in Matt Smith. I think he could play that well.

    #106178
    Julian Hazeldine
    Participant
    #106180
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    There cant be a complete re-set in The End of Time. Matt Smith is filming with River Song in an episode, so there has to be at least some continuity into the Moffat era based around that.

    #106181
    JamesTC
    Participant

    That guy out of that Red Dwarf episode will be in ‘The End of Time’ if people have identified the voice acting on the trailer at the end of WOM correctly.
    Obviously the guy I am talking about is Brian Cox of ‘Stoke me a Clipper’ fame.

    #106252
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    “The End of Time, Part One”, then.

    #106253
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Didn’t see that coming.

    #106255
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Lovely. It’s much nicer having multi-part stories with the same name.

    Although I’ve listened to the brief sound clip on the site, and the music almost made me vomit.

    #106257
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >?The End of Time, Part One?, then.

    Ha! I wonder what episode 4.18 will be called.

    #106259
    Dave
    Participant

    >Ha! I wonder what episode 4.18 will be called.

    It’s called: OR IS IT?

    #106261
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    “Not The End of Time”

    #106262
    JamesTC
    Participant

    ‘My Watch Has Started Again’

    #106263
    Dave
    Participant

    ?Not Quite The End of Time?

    #106264
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    “The Arrest and Subsequent Suspension of Linear (and Non-Linear) Temporal Events”

    #106266
    Dave
    Participant

    “The End Of Tim”

    #106267
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    Wasn’t that the proposed title of the ill-fated ‘Spaced’ Movie?

    #106269
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    “The End of Time, Part Deux”

    #106272
    TheLeen
    Participant

    “The very last End of Time ever, Part One”

    #106273
    Julian Hazeldine
    Participant

    ‘Epilogue’

    #106278
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    “Russell T Davies Presents: The End of Time II: End of Timer”

    #106279
    JamesTC
    Participant

    End of Time II: Dalekhawk

    #106282
    Dave
    Participant

    “Wilf & Tennant’s Excellent Adventure”
    “Wilf & Tennant’s Bogus Journey”

    #106283
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Most triumphant.

    #106291
    JamesTC
    Participant

    http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2009/11/end-of-time-children-in-need-preview.html

    I like it, just a bit of fun before he starts to get all dark and shit. I laughed at the “try to make an Ood laugh” comment too.
    Oh and Gallifrey is returning I guess, or the Rani, I can’t be sure.

    #106292
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    “He is returning and they are returning” – unless the Ood don’t know the word for “she”, which is daft, I doubt they’re referring specifically to the Rani.

    Nobody likes the Rani anyway. She’s shit.

    #106294
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Well there we are, then.

    #106293
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I don’t like the Rani, I was joking. I like Rani though.

    Oh and many people do seem obsessed with the Rani returning, did you know that she is returning and is being played by Gillian Anderson? True story.

    #106296
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I like how they sort of resolved a certain thread we’ve wondered about with a throwaway comment. Heh.

    #106297
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    The only thing more obsessive than people talking about the Rani returning, is SoundableObject talking about people talking about the Rani returning.

    Anyway, that wasn’t exactly Time Crash was it? Yes, I realise it was only two scenes from a proper episode, but I can’t say there were two particularly good scenes.

    #106300
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >The only thing more obsessive than people talking about the Rani returning, is SoundableObject talking about people talking about the Rani returning.

    I’m not obsessive, I just like that people actually think the character would return (including certain crap newspapers) so when something mysterious happens or a woman with red hair arrives it must be the Rani.

    >Anyway, that wasn?t exactly Time Crash was it? Yes, I realise it was only two scenes from a proper episode, but I can?t say there were two particularly good scenes.

    It wasn’t Time Crash but I dare say quite a few fans would’ve tuned in to see it and it would have gotten a bit of money for CiN, not as much as Time Crash would have but some. I will say that the scene from ‘The Next Doctor’ were better but I thought these scenes worked well too, a nice teaser.

    #106301
    ChrisM
    Participant

    They probably opted for the ligher moments anyway, it being Children in Need. I’d imagine there’d be quite a bit of darkness in the episode overall, assuming this is the last one. (Or is the last one in the new year?)

    #106302
    JamesTC
    Participant

    The clip is from ‘The End of Time’ Part 1.

    #106370

    Not the pre-credits scene because that’s probably going to involve Wilf/Donna or perhaps the Master’s return. The Doctor’s a fucking nutcase now anyway. The line about Good Queen Bess losing her nickname is about as cheeky a line RTD has ever had the gall to throw in. Especially when this involves the Doctor himself doing the deed (or at least that’s what he implies).

    You can tell RTD is pleased with the Ood, probably his best original alien creation. It’s good that they’re playing an important part in the finale. Brian Cox as the lead Ood’s voice? You can’t argue with that. Where it’s all going is something we’ll have to wait for New Year’s Day for. The Christmas Day episode is IMO likely to be the better one because I’m guessing it won’t have the wanky cameos by Rose et al and the story involving nightmares has the potential to be quite powerful. The New Year’s Day one will no doubt be the huge RTD bombast fest with all the returnees and music threatening to drum you into oblivion.

    I hope we get the truth about the Time War and final redemption for the Doctor over his actions in it. That way a line can be drawn, a fresh start can be achieved for the 11th Doctor.

    Btw, who else reckons the only reason RTD included the Dalek scene in Waters of Mars was the Terry Nation estate deal the BBC have? It makes sense if the deal is the Daleks must be used at least once a year. Even if they crop up briefly in the finale that will be New Year’s Day, 2010, i.e. next year!! So he had to do the scene in WoM to satisfy the estate.

    #106375
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >I?m guessing it won?t have the wanky cameos by Rose

    I’m not too sure but I heard that is earlier on in the story, besides he just says to her that she is going to have a wonderful year.

    #106377
    Julian Hazeldine
    Participant

    According to ‘The Mag’ the CiN clip consistend of scenes 4 and 5, which are immeditaly post-credits. The three pre-credits scenes don’t feature the Doctor, and would have been too plot-heavy to make for an effective teaser.

    #106392
    ChrisM
    Participant

    >Btw, who else reckons the only reason RTD included the Dalek scene in Waters of Mars was the Terry Nation estate deal the BBC have?

    Possibly. I liked the scene though, and the continuity with past present day episodes, although I thought the whole Earth stealing thing a bit much.

    #106468
    Dave
    Participant

    Has anyone been watching Dreamland?

    #106475
    Alex
    Participant

    Has anyone been watching Dreamland?

    Yes. I was a little concerned about the animation to start with but I think overall it’s been pretty good so far, mainly due to a good story. A definite improvement on ‘The Infinite Quest’, which had the tendency to lurch from one thing to another too drastically where as this feels far more like a normal episode. I?ll be interested to see it in one go on Saturday.

    #106554
    steven87gill
    Participant

    Christ, i’ve seen enough photos of her to put two and two together and only yesterday did i realise that Karen Gillan is also in the kevin bishop show. I am a numptie.

    ###k me indeed.

    #106578
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Well, hopefully you didn’t know that because you’ve never seen The Kevin Bishop Show.

    You know, on account of it being fucking awful.

    #106683
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    “I think will give a gothic performance”

    #106708
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I saw this link on another forum but have no context what-so-ever to back it up. It’s a half complete episode guide for series 5, anyway:

    http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l248/oldtype40/List.jpg

    It all seems well and good, but… Chris Chibnal? Really? After he completely fucked up Torchwood and wrote one of the worst episodes of Doctor Who ever?

    #106709
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROY0EBiz-Bw&feature=related

    I have absolutely no idea what point he’s trying to make.

    #106711
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    > Chris Chibnal? Really? After he completely fucked up Torchwood and wrote one of the worst episodes of Doctor Who ever?

    Yes, but you forget that the Moff is script-editing. He’ll make it less shit.

    #106712
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > Yes, but you forget that the Moff is script-editing. He?ll make it less shit.

    That’s hardly the point…

    #106713
    Muzzy
    Participant

    The Cybermen for the finale? Urgh.

    #106715
    Phil1034
    Participant

    > one of the worst episodes of Doctor Who ever?

    Really??! I’m always curious as to why people are so vociferous in their hatred of this episode. I can only ever muster indifference at best; not that meddiocrity should be acceptable of course.

    #106720
    Somebody
    Participant

    Isn’t it about time to lock this thread, with the pagirritation and all?

    #106748
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Yeah, I was thinking of that, but I think what I’m going to do is create a new thread specifically for End of Time discussion, and then if people have any Smith-related nuggets they can still go in here for now. Then after Christmas, we’ll have a brand new spoiler thread. God, this is hard work.

    #106749
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster
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