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  • #261920
    tombow
    Participant

    I’ve really started enjoying watching UK comedy reaction videos on youtube (and Dailymotion, where some of them have a 2nd channel)

    Cyborcat – American woman who is a huge RD fan, loves the cat and has done a reaction/recap of every episode up to Skipper as well as an in depth, multi part Cat analysis series

    JimB media – just a British uni-student-aged guy who hasn’t seen most of the classic 70s-90s sitcoms and is watching Dwarf, Father Ted, Brittas etc. Interestingly he really enjoyed RD VIII after hating VII.

    After Work Reactions – African American guy who isn’t actually watching Dwarf (but may do in future) but his joyful reactions to things like Harry Enfield, Father Ted, Only Fools, bottom etc really make me laugh.

    #261922
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    Oh yes, I think I recommended Cyborcat on here once before. Her Cat videos go over every outfit he wears as well as all his notable character beats in every episode. That’s G&T level dedication right there.

    #261923
    tombow
    Participant

    I like Jimb’s recaps, it’s interesting to see what a modern cool/young person makes of classic RD.

    #261925

    Interestingly he really enjoyed RD VIII after hating VII.

    From experience, if you’re binge watching Red Dwarf in any capacity, VII is a slog after the highs of the previous six series and VIII is just so full of energy it’s hard not to have your spirits lifted by it.

    On reflection there are bits to like about VII and a lot to dislike about VIII, but in the moment (whether it is a first viewing or just a quick sequential watching of the show) VIII definitely lifts the mood after the downer VII presents.

    #261926
    tombow
    Participant

    that’s a good point actually. I guess you could say the same about reactions to star wars movies. Like you have to consider the context of how long the fans had waited at the time.

    #261927
    Ridley
    Participant

    #261942
    Dax101
    Participant

    Wasn’t that the reaction for most people with Series VIII? I think most people gave VIII praise for being better than VII. I just don’t think it held up well once people got over that praise of comparison.

    #261949
    RunawayTrain
    Participant

    {*facepalm* accidentally pressed ‘Submit’, ignore!}

    #261950
    Dave
    Participant

    It would be great if these youtubers looked at this thread, so that they could react to our reactions to people who react to RD on YouTube.

    #261951
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I was expecting this thread to be withering about the reaction videos, actually. It’s funny the sort of thing that can grab you on YouTube, but personally I enjoy watching nerds clean out spiders’ nests from old C64s.

    #261952

    I once read – and I think this was on Norm’s official website, of all places – that Red Dwarf lost its way a bit, particularly by VII, but VIII was it getting back to form again, and always found that baffling. I get that it’s a bright, colourful, energetic studio sitcom with Chris Barrie in it after the slightly more dour VII, but even on first broadcast I thought it really lacked something.

    #261953
    Dax101
    Participant

    Series VIII was the 3rd best series voted by fans in the fanclub magazine around 2001. in most polls now VIII has fallen to much lower.

    #261954

    Yeah but people voted for Hitler Dax, they can’t be trusted.

    #261956
    Ridley
    Participant

    And he got unpopular with Poles.

    I was disappointed that Series VIII sidelined Cat and Kochanski what with with having started with Red Dwarf VII but my younger self enjoyed it.

    #261960
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    I imagine series VIII was seen as better at the time due to the ignorance of youth. The average Red Dwarf fan was probably mid to late teens when VIII was on so may have enjoyed the nob gags etc and looked past the poorer elements/ not had the life experience to know why shower night live isn’t cool.

    It’s like DS9 and Voyager, as a teen I preferred Voyager and couldn’t stand DS9, as an adult I can’t get past Neelix and Kes’s creepy relationship, turning into lizards when you go too fast etc and I now think DS9 is the best Star Trek ever made.

    #261961
    Dave
    Participant

    I was late teens when VIII showed up and even then I thought a lot of it was shite. But the disappointment of VII had hit harder because it was such a clear step down from what had come before. In comparison VIII wasn’t such a marked decline.

    #261962

    I feel I should apologise to turning what could have been a fun interesting thread about YouTube reactions into yet another discussion about VII and VIII.

    #261963
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    It’s not your fault, it’s Symes’s Law.

    The most recent things will always over-perform to varying degrees in any poll, Dwarfy or otherwise. When things are fresher, reactions are more extreme. It takes time for people to look at things more objectively and placings to settle down.

    #261964
    Dave
    Participant

    I eagerly await the re-evaluation of Timewave when G&T runs the Gold Gradation.

    #261965
    Ridley
    Participant

    It takes time for people to look at things more objectively and placings to settle down.

    Time lapse reaction video or it didn’t happen.

    #261973
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    Recency bias is interesting, because it can go both ways. People will often ruthlessly scrutinise something as it first comes out – especially if they’re obsessive followers of whatever series or genre it’s in – but over time will tend to chill out about it, and occasionally even have nostalgia for it.

    Like for every person who loved The Phantom Menace when it came out and through rewatching and hindsight now thinks it’s shit, there’s probably another person who was posting lengths of angry forum text in release week and now thinks it was more or less an OK movie.

    #261974

    Do you think that would have happened with Star Wars and Red Dwarf if it hadn’t been for the long hiatus between outing?

    Would we be scrutinising and criticising Dave era Dwarf as much if these shows had come in 2000?

    Granted they wouldn’t have been the same shows of course, but had the show changed channels shortly after VIII aired we’d still be more inclined to see them as part of the original run of shows and less likely to look for fault/change/difference in them other than surface level stuff like you get with VII and VIII.

    #261975

    I’d say that hiati definitely come into assessments. Once something becomes noticeably separate from an earlier version, the difference can become more obvious; similarly, the creators tend to be a bit more self-aware of what they’re doing. When Rob and Doug were involved in the creation of 1-VI, they probably didn’t have <i>too</i> much time to naval gaze. Doug’s series do seem to be a little bit more focused on the idea of what Red Dwarf ‘is’ (or, indeed, ‘isn’t’), to the extent that there are some moments in VIII and the Dave era which feel like he’s self-consciously trying to make something feel like classic Dwarf, rather than it simply flowing naturally. Couple the fan perspective and re-emergences after hiati can feel very unnatural. It happens all the time with bands who take time off after an unpopular album.

    (Yes, I know it’s hiatuses, shush.)

    #261978
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >Like for every person who loved The Phantom Menace when it came out and through rewatching and hindsight now thinks it’s shit, there’s probably another person who was posting lengths of angry forum text in release week and now thinks it was more or less an OK movie.

    As someone who posted lengths of angry forum text about The Phantom Menace in 1999, I can state that this had nothing to do with recency bias and everything to do with the fact that it’s a fucking terrible movie.

    #261979
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I’ve clearly matured a lot in the last 21 years.

    #261981
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I’ve clearly matured a lot in the last 21 years.

    #261982
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    Do you think that would have happened with Star Wars and Red Dwarf if it hadn’t been for the long hiatus between outing?

    Would we be scrutinising and criticising Dave era Dwarf as much if these shows had come in 2000?

    I think that definitely plays a part, but it’s not a requirement. Look at Doctor Who. There’s been a new series every year or 2 since 2005, but people are as discerning about new episodes as that as ever. I’d even say that people were way less harsh about Series 1 after the 16 year hiatus, but I probably just wasn’t tuned into the super fan circles at that time.

    Doctor Who is a classic example of how it goes both ways too. You get a lot of hate – recency… animus? – but Jodie Whitaker still got voted the 2nd best Doctor anyway.

    Though yes, I am aware that you can’t really quantify recency bias anecdotally like this, because there are also genuine fluctuations in quality happening alongside it, and fully separating the two would require you to objectively measure the quality of art, which you can’t. It’s interesting to ponder anyway.

    As someone who posted lengths of angry forum text about The Phantom Menace in 1999, I can state that this had nothing to do with recency bias and everything to do with the fact that it’s a fucking terrible movie.

    Don’t worry Pete, if I ever reference people changing their minds about movies or TV shows over time, I’m not talking about you. ;-)

    #261987
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Doctor Who is a classic example of how it goes both ways too. You get a lot of hate – recency… animus?

    Let’s leave The Web Planet out of this.

    #261992
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    I can’t believe I accidentally named ‘having a stronger negative reaction to something’ after the villain in a Doctor Who story which is 100% perfect and beloved by fans. Embarrassing.

    #261993
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Oh shit, have I “that’s the joke”d you? I apologise.

    #261994
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    Haha, no way. I had no idea of the coincidental Doctor Who connection to the word “animus”, so you noticing it and pointing it out was an excellent reply. All good.

    Though now you’ve said that my last post does read more sarcastic than I intended, but it was just exaggeration.

    #261995
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    While we’re on the subject of The Web Planet… for a long time that serial had a reputation of being unambiguously shit. Unrealistic giant moth costumes, overdone dialogue, Vaseline on the lens etc. But over time classic Who fandom has built up much more fondness for its weird approach, particularly after the Twitch Classic Who marathon accidentally didn’t play it when it was supposed to, and everyone was chanting “WE WANT ZARBI” in the chat.

    Recency animus in action, for the actual Animus.

    #262022
    Dax101
    Participant

    The Starwars prequels have actually been reevaluated. there are a generation that grew up with them and love them perhaps more so than the original.

    #262023
    tombow
    Participant

    Jimb’s reaction to Back in the Red Part 1 complete with an extra 20 mins of him talking to his live chat about RD, and lots of pro-VIII comments under the video –

    #262024
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Haha, no way. I had no idea of the coincidental Doctor Who connection to the word “animus”, so you noticing it and pointing it out was an excellent reply. All good.

    Well, I still think he’s a cunt.

    #262025
    Dax101
    Participant

    Comedy is subjective. everyone finds something funny. so the idea that some may like Series 8 isn’t shocking. but is it good Red Dwarf? if you seen the first 6 series and then find Series 8 just as good or even better… that makes me sad.

    #262150
    Lily
    Participant

    Jodie Whitaker still got voted the 2nd best Doctor anyway

    Who the fuck voted that?

    #262152
    Ben Kirkham
    Participant

    It’s not your fault, it’s Symes’s Law.

    The most recent things will always over-perform to varying degrees in any poll, Dwarfy or otherwise. When things are fresher, reactions are more extreme. It takes time for people to look at things more objectively and placings to settle down.

    This is exactly the reason ‘The Day of the Doctor’ came first place in the DWM Poll.

    #262153
    Ben Kirkham
    Participant

    Jodie Whitaker still got voted the 2nd best Doctor anyway

    What the actual fuck???

    #262156
    si
    Participant

    Jodie Whitaker still got voted the 2nd best Doctor anyway

    What the actual fuck???

    Worth noting that it was a poll of Favourite Doctors, not Doctors being rated.
    Like I said at the time, it depends on who’s voting – under-30s are going to vote Tennant/Smith, 50-somethings will vote Pertwee/Baker, and youngsters will always vote for The Current Doctor, who, of course, is Jodie. It’s a (re)generational thing.

    #262177
    Ben Kirkham
    Participant

    Jodie Whitaker still got voted the 2nd best Doctor anyway

    What the actual fuck???
    Worth noting that it was a poll of Favourite Doctors, not Doctors being rated.
    Like I said at the time, it depends on who’s voting – under-30s are going to vote Tennant/Smith, 50-somethings will vote Pertwee/Baker, and youngsters will always vote for The Current Doctor, who, of course, is Jodie. It’s a (re)generational thing.

    It’s fair enough, I suppose. I’m one of the Wilderness years kids, so I never really had a sustained, current Doctor. I suppose it’d be Paul McGann but he wasn’t around long enough (on TV, at least).

    His performance through Big Finish has cemented McGann as *my* Doctor, but I think that Tom Baker is the definitive Doctor. Love them all in their own way, though. Except Whittaker, for reasons that would take up an essay.

    #262202
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    Here’s the mentioned ‘favourite Doctor’ poll:

    https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-09-20/david-tennant-best-doctor-who/

    Tennant and Whitaker both got 21%, so he only inched ahead.

    Not surprising that Whitaker ranked so highly. Recency bias is in play, but also people tend to criticise the writing of the Chibnall era more than the lead actor. I’ve seen plenty who hate the former but really like the latter anyway.

    It’s also worth noting that when the Tennant and Smith eras were underway, they probably both got #1 from similar polls easily (I’m too lazy to search for those polls right now of course), so you can potentially take Jodie only being #2 as a very mild backlash of sorts.

    #262231

    McCoy won a best Doctor poll once.

    #262234
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    McCoy won a best Doctor poll once.

    #262242
    Hamish
    Participant

    Six is not impressed

    #262951
    tombow
    Participant

    Jim Briggs is hugely impressed with Trojan after almost giving up on BTE – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0f9IDWzh-8

    #262952
    Moonlight
    Participant

    My favorite reaction videos are the ones where people just watch the whole thing verbatim, laugh at the jokes, and then provide absolutely zero commentary or analysis afterward.

    That kind of reaction vid is just the lowest possible effort content.

    #262983
    unclerubbish
    Participant

    After Work Reactions – African American guy who isn’t actually watching Dwarf (but may do in future) but his joyful reactions to things like Harry Enfield, Father Ted, Only Fools, bottom etc really make me laugh.

    Never been one for reaction videos but i stubbled across his videos and they are great. It’s like enjoying the humour all over again vicariously.

    #263102
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    people just watch the whole thing verbatim, laugh at the jokes, and then provide absolutely zero commentary or analysis afterward.

    That reminds me, remember to get your Waffle Men topics in for this weekend’s recording of our Krysis commentary!!!

    #263110

    Aren’t we due a book club first?

    #263112
    Dave
    Participant

    The next book club was recorded weeks ago. We’re far more concerned at the moment about the quite hideous things that will be said in the Krysis commentary.

    #263134
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Aren’t we due a book club first?

    Tadaaaaa.

    #263319
    evilmorwen
    Participant

    JimB has started Red Dwarf X! He liked “Trojan” a lot.

    #264063
    evilmorwen
    Participant

    he liked “Timewave” (!)

    #264064
    tombow
    Participant

    After Work Reaction’s Josh has been watching Dwarf on his Patreon since Christmas, but I haven’t checked if it made it on to his Youtube channel yet.

    I saw Jimb’s Timewave video, all Youtube’s anti-PC/anti-snowflake RD fans have come on to the comments to hype it up…

    #264065
    NoFro
    Participant

    The thing is, I don’t think Timewave has a good joke even before it gets a bit dodgy.

    #264066

    It’s got the Space Corps Directive joke.

    #264067
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    There’s a video on YouTube of a very excitable man reacting to reading our article about what Rob and Paul said at Holly Hop.

    I was going to retweet it when it popped up yesterday, but then I saw the tweet included #DefundTheBBC. I clicked on his profile and discovered he’s also a #NotMyDoctor dickhead. So fuck him.

    #264068
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    The thing is, I don’t think Timewave has a good joke even before it gets a bit dodgy.

    Timewave is a bit dodgy?

    #264069
    Moonlight
    Participant

    You could remove every dodgy element of Timewave and it would still be the worst episode of the 12 by a country mile.

    #264070
    tombow
    Participant

    it’s only just occured to me that timewave has other human people in it and thats one of the things that makes it feel unusual…

    #264071

    Is it the only non-VIII episode to feature multiple guest humans without the main characters travelling in time? Other than The End, obviously.

    #264072
    Dave
    Participant

    There are also the flashbacks in stuff like Ouroboros and Samsara, and stuff that isn’t real like Better Than Life or Back To Reality, but I guess that’s not really in the spirit of what you’re talking about.

    I suppose Demons and Angels technically has two new humans, although they’re both Lister so only just.

    And Timewave is still a time-travel episode, I suppose, it’s just the guest stars that are time-travelling.

    #264073
    Trimmer Ex
    Participant

    I did a unboxing video of a Red Dwarf DVD back in the day it was series 8 I think. When I opened it though it was like disc 2 or some series of last of the summer wine. I looked a tit

    #264074
    Spaceworm Jim
    Participant

    I’ve looked at it a fair few times myself.

    There’s a youtube person, DiamandaHagan, who does reviews of each series which are okay. They go into slightly more depth than Cyborcat’s, though I find Cyborcat’s videos more enjoyable in a way. She comes across as more earnest.

    #264075
    Spaceworm Jim
    Participant

    There’s a youtube person

    OK BOOMER.

    #264076
    Goldfish Toes
    Blocked

    Ps are you a girl?

    #264077
    Goldfish Toes
    Blocked

    Wrong place so embarrassing

    #264078

    And Timewave is still a time-travel episode, I suppose, it’s just the guest stars that are time-travelling.

    Yeah, I actually edited my post to highlight I meant the main cast time travelling. In which case it’s the only non-VIII episode in which we see a group of humans in the post-accident timeline, which expands on tombrow’s point about why it feels so weird. Even ignoring the problematic elements and some of the crap jokes, the episode always felt ‘off’ – on first watch I thought it was very funny (and I still think there are good jokes), but even then it immediately just didn’t feel right for a Red Dwarf episode, and I’m sure that’s part of it.

    #264080
    MANI506
    Participant

    I became a Jim B patreon because I was enjoying his reactions. It’s so much fun to watch again with someone who’s never seen it before. He just released The Promised Land today.

    #264125
    tombow
    Participant

    I haven’t become a JimB Patron, but i did sign up to After Work Reactions for a month, so I could see Josh watch Alan Partridge, the Office UK, and the first 2 series of RD.

    #264134
    Goldfish Toes
    Blocked

    I haven’t become a JimB Patron, but i did sign up to After Work Reactions for a month, so I could see Josh watch Alan Partridge, the Office UK, and the first 2 series of RD.

    Yes that is person who is admin of other red dwarf forum he is great and cool guy!

    #264143
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    He’s an admin for a Red Dwarf forum and he’s watching the first two series for the first time?

    #264144
    evilmorwen
    Participant

    i mean in fairness, series 1 was “never to be repeated”

    #264146
    pfm
    Participant

    He’s an admin for a Red Dwarf forum and he’s watching the first two series for the first time?

    Tbf, there are probably people who worked on those two series’ who have never seen them…or only saw them in commentary sessions or the like.

    #264148
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Yeah, that’s the same.

    #264151
    tombow
    Participant

    No, Josh from after work reactions is a YouTube comedy reviewer. He hadn’t even heard of rd till last year

    #264152
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Oh, so Goldfish Toes was talking nonsense. Huh.

    #264153
    Dave
    Participant

    Oh, so Goldfish Toes was talking nonsense. Huh.

    Well I can’t say I’m totally shocked.

    #264156
    Jenuall
    Participant

    I still don’t really get reaction videos, just seems like a bizarre form of content to me. But I guess enough people must be into it as lots of “content creators” seem to be making a good deal out of putting them up.

    #264157
    tombow
    Participant

    I really like seeing americans and younger brits seeing my fave childhood comedies for the first time. its like making a friend/spouse watch something i like without the risk of them getting bored and leaving.

    #264158
    Jenuall
    Participant

    I guess, but how much interaction is there with the people reacting? The joy of introducing a friend or spouse to something you love is that you then have someone new to talk to about it!

    Getting a new/younger audiences take on things like the changing nature of the show over time would be interesting now I think about it. Binging on something in a shorter space of time that actually had as many hiatuses and behind the scenes changes going on as RD did gives a unique perspective on those changes which us established fans could never replicate.

    #264164
    Rudolph
    Participant

    I still don’t really get reaction videos, just seems like a bizarre form of content to me. But I guess enough people must be into it as lots of “content creators” seem to be making a good deal out of putting them up.

    I quite like them, as there’s a sense of living vicariously through them or rediscovering enjoyment from things.

    There’s a girl on YouTube who’s been watching old Doctor Who, and who avoided any information about the tenth anniversary story before watching (to the point of covering her eyes when the opening titles came up) and it really made me feel warm when she burst into tears of joy upon seeing Patrick Troughton turn up – having no idea he was coming back.

    #264167
    Goldfish Toes
    Blocked

    Oh, so Goldfish Toes was talking nonsense. Huh.

    *Download Complete*

    #264181
    si
    Participant

    Fucking Hell, this is hard work at the moment.

    #264182
    Spaceworm Jim
    Participant

    I still don’t really get reaction videos, just seems like a bizarre form of content to me. But I guess enough people must be into it as lots of “content creators” seem to be making a good deal out of putting them up.

    Philosophically, I agree. In practice, I have just watched watchmojo’s list of top ten Red Dwarf episodes (Krytie TV and Legion are both honourable mentions, Jesus Christ). I think both reaction videos and watchmojo lists prey on the same impulse to hear other people talk about something I love. It’s the same impulse that led me to Ganymede and Titan, probably, although reading an article on G&T is obviously the best choice of something to do at any given time, if we’re not counting the all time number one.

    TL;DR?
    watchmojo < reaction videos < G&T

    #264186
    Ridley
    Participant

    Fucking Hell, this is hard work at the moment.

    I imagine that would sting quite a bit, yeah.

    #264187
    Spaceworm Jim
    Participant

    Worried that I might have used the wrong symbol. I meant G&T are better than WM and reaction videos. I’ve always had a blind spot when it comes to those greater/less than symbols.

    #264188
    RunawayTrain
    Participant

    Worried that I might have used the wrong symbol. I meant G&T are better than WM and reaction videos. I’ve always had a blind spot when it comes to those greater/less than symbols.

    Nope, those are just fine (presuming you meant G&T is greater than the other two!)

    #264189
    Spaceworm Jim
    Participant

    Phew! Thanks!

    #264190
    Goldfish Toes
    Blocked

    I still don’t really get reaction videos, just seems like a bizarre form of content to me. But I guess enough people must be into it as lots of “content creators” seem to be making a good deal out of putting them up.

    Philosophically, I agree. In practice, I have just watched watchmojo’s list of top ten Red Dwarf episodes (Krytie TV and Legion are both honourable mentions, Jesus Christ). I think both reaction videos and watchmojo lists prey on the same impulse to hear other people talk about something I love. It’s the same impulse that led me to Ganymede and Titan, probably, although reading an article on G&T is obviously the best choice of something to do at any given time, if we’re not counting the all time number one.
    TL;DR?
    watchmojo < reaction videos < G&T

    This should be in the hall of fame!

    #264191
    Goldfish Toes
    Blocked

    Worried that I might have used the wrong symbol. I meant G&T are better than WM and reaction videos. I’ve always had a blind spot when it comes to those greater/less than symbols.

    THIS should be in the hall of fame!

    #264192
    Goldfish Toes
    Blocked

    Worried that I might have used the wrong symbol. I meant G&T are better than WM and reaction videos. I’ve always had a blind spot when it comes to those greater/less than symbols.

    Nope, those are just fine (presuming you meant G&T is greater than the other two!)

    Now THIS is hall of fame material right here guys

    #264193
    Goldfish Toes
    Blocked

    Phew! Thanks!

    HALL. OF. FAME!

    #264195
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    It’s been a week. Time for this numpty to fuck off?

    #264196
    Goldfish Toes
    Blocked

    It’s been a week. Time for this numpty to fuck off?

    Sorry I made you cry :'(

    #264197
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    It’s been a week. Time for this numpty to fuck off?

    Yeah, can’t be fucked anymore. Enjoy the peace.

    #264202
    evilmorwen
    Participant

    ‘Bye, man.

    (Thanks.)

    #264203
    Hamish
    Participant

    Cappsy put a cap in his ass?

    #264204
    si
    Participant

    Thanks. Beginning to get me down, to be honest.

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