Should Rimmer get a costume redesign for Series XIII?

[Bargain Bin Holly]

He’s had the same one for three series now.

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[Piplup2003]

I think he should. I’d love him to go back to the quilted jacket, but that’s my opinion.

[Ben Saunders]

Sure, why not. The visual styles of X and XI/XII are different enough for Rimmer’s costume being the same to not really bother me, but variation is always nice. We’re running out of primary colours though, will be be purple or orange next?

(Are they primary colours?)

[Dave]

Yellow quilted, a la Out Of Time. Get Kryten a toupée while they’re at it.

[Bargain Bin Holly]

Just to clarify, I’m not suggesting I dislike Rimmer’s current ensemble, I quite like it actually and I have no problem with it in X, XI, and XII.

[International Debris]

Given that it’s a variation on the BtE one, we’ve had the same costume for four series and nearly ten years. His earlier costumes never lasted for more than two series. So yes, a new design would be good.

Won’t happen though.

[Flap Jack]

YES.

Of course, that means the current Rimmer will have to be killed and replaced with a new Rimmer, but it’s worth it.

[Taiwan Tony]

Yes, I’m bored of blue now.
Orange and purple are secondary colours. As is green (Or ‘III’).
Orange is a good shout.

Next week. Tertiary colours!

[Bargain Bin Holly]

Someone should photoshop Rimmer and change his outfit from blue to purple and tell the results

[GlenTokyo]

I’d like to see green or red again, but mostly I think he needs something a bit more utilitarian, it’s a bit regal for a technician the holo costume. I liked the quilted jacket costume but I know Chris thought he looked like a Chesterfield or something, so maybe lose the quilting but keep the jacket, trousers, boots look. Maybe something like the old Apollo astronaut jackets, Adam Savage from Mythbusters wears them and they look pretty swanky but useful, get his notebook and pipe cleaners in it.

[Moonlight]

Why would we need Photoshop to see a purple Rimmer? Just watch Entangled, he turns purple in that when he goes softlight.

You know I’m right.

[Bargain Bin Holly]

Watched it, he looks red to me. Sir, is it possible you could’ve made a mis-smelling?

[flanl3]

-orange
-yellow
-chartreuse
-mint green
-cyan
-azure
-purple
-magenta
-pink
-white
-gray
-black
-nothing

[Bargain Bin Holly]

>-nothing

Already happened, see profile pic

[flanl3]

Not as a regular uniform, though.

[Bargain Bin Holly]

I DMed Naylor; unfortunately the naked uniform is exclusive to the stage play

[flanl3]

Doug Naylor or Rob Naylor?

[Bargain Bin Holly]

Nah Nate Naylor; I was skeptical at first but than he revealed to me the real reason why Grant Naylor split and I soon grew to trust his information

[bloodteller]

rimmer’s new costume should be some JNCOs and a large velvet hat. he never takes the hat off so people stop asking if chris is wearing a wig

[Bargain Bin Holly]

He did have a hat in Series III & IV that nobody mentions; so we could have an opportunity for a callback there

[Lily]

Yes. Bored of the same blue outfit all the time.

I liked the mix & match aspect of III where he had t-shirts, shirts or jackets appropriate to the situation.

[Bargain Bin Holly]

>I liked the mix & match aspect of III where he had t-shirts, shirts or jackets appropriate to the situation.

Rimmer still sorta does that; he wore that nice looking bathrobe in a couple episodes but I definitely see your point

[International Debris]

Yes, back in III and IV it felt more like actual clothes and not a costume.

[Flap Jack]

On a scale of Rimmer to The Cat, how often do your change your clothes?

I wonder how Rimmer administers changes to his appearance nowadays, given that the times we’ve seen him do it, he does so by asking Holly.

“Having to ask another sentient being to change you is kind of awkward and Rimmer is really high strung” is actually a decent explanation for the lack of costume changes.

[GlenTokyo]

He’s hard light so really, he could wear his own clothes (pre death) and his costume could be real, save a bit of processing power on Red Dwarf and get a dispenser to give him a IRL uniform.

I wonder if he was so inclined he could take off his jacket and lend it to Lister. Would Lister then be impenetrable with his hard light shell?

Come to think of it, is anyone wearing clothes on Red Dwarf? Maybe they just have hard light projected clothes and the reason they wear the same thing all the time is that they can’t be arsed to model any new clothes.

[Taiwan Tony]

^^ I glanced at that pic and wondered what Vic Reeves was doing in that outfit.

[Plastic Percy]

All I’d change is perhaps make the outfit a bit more reflective – I rather liked the BTE outfit – and replace the black dress shoes he has now with the knee high boots he previously wore.

[Bargain Bin Holly]

>On a scale of Rimmer to The Cat, how often do your change your clothes?

Surely it would be on a scale of Kryten to The Cat, since Kryten almost never wears different clothing minus when he went on holiday to Z Deck and other rare occasions

[Flap Jack]

Surely it would be on a scale of Kryten to The Cat, since Kryten almost never wears different clothing minus when he went on holiday to Z Deck and other rare occasions

It’s a fair point, but with very rare exception, Kryten’s outfits aren’t really “clothes” per se, so he’s not on the scale. Rimmer’s clothes are a simulation, but they’re a simulation of clothes.

He’s hard light so really, he could wear his own clothes (pre death) and his costume could be real, save a bit of processing power on Red Dwarf and get a dispenser to give him a IRL uniform.

Interesting idea, but given that it would only save energy if the light bee restricted itself to generating his hands, neck and head (as opposed to generating the rest of his body as naked), would Rimmer even be able to feel anything in the rest of his body, or stop the real physical uniform from just falling to the ground? “Hardlight” definitely implies you only get the hardness if you’re generating the light.

I wonder if he was so inclined he could take off his jacket and lend it to Lister. Would Lister then be impenetrable with his hard light shell?

Come to think of it, is anyone wearing clothes on Red Dwarf? Maybe they just have hard light projected clothes and the reason they wear the same thing all the time is that they can’t be arsed to model any new clothes.

Rimmer wouldn’t be able to give his jacket to Lister, because Rimmer’s body and clothes are all just one projection that the light bee surrounds itself with. Pretty fair to presume that a light bee wouldn’t be able to project a hologram if there’s a solid object between the bee and the intended location of the hologram – e.g. if you locked Rimmer in a room (and he couldn’t convert to softlight or whatever), then he wouldn’t be able to escape by just projecting himself outside the room.

Plus, Rimmer’s light bee is – as far as we know – the only hardlight hologram projection tech they have on board, so trying to generate hardlight objects for other crewmembers to use separate from Rimmer would be quite a challenge.

[International Debris]

We never see him take anything off, do we? I’d imagine if he wants to change clothes, it just sort of… happens, like the fried egg chilli chutney sandwich or his hair.

[Dax101]

I say just keep the same outfit. it looks better on Chris then the BTE light blue did and it highlights that Rimmer is a hard light hologram which id rather the show didn’t forget that soft light holograms were a thing.

[bloodteller]

bit boring if they keep it looking the same forever. the show used to change how it looked completely every couple series, they ought to keep that up.

[Flap Jack]

More outfit variety for Lister too, please. A man is more than a leather jacket.

[Paul Muller]

IMO Rimmer and Lister are both due a bit of a costume update – they’re both looking a bit stale after three series.

For Lister, something a bit more utilitarian I reckon – I know everyone hates that boilersuit thing in VI/VII but something along those lines might work, with a bit more colour. There’s so many patches, patterns and prints on him at the moment it’s difficult to know where to look.

For Rimmer, get rid of the dress shoes, give him some boots, a bit of padding or some alternating fabrics to break it up a bit. Currently, he’s just a very long slab of blue. And yeah, maybe it’s time for a colour change. Yellow or orange I reckon.

That said, I’m probably talking bollocks – I know fuck all about fashion/style.

[flanl3]

Did Lister make that patch of the four of them himself?

[International Debris]

Lister seems to be permanently in his leather jacket at the minute, didn’t he take it off sometimes in III-V? I can’t remember off-hand, but I don’t recall ever noticing just how often he wears it.

[Dave]

He wore a bathrobe a few times in III, yes.

[bloodteller]

the leather jacket must really smell by now. he’s been wearing it for 29 years

[Bargain Bin Holly]

Besides the biker jackets, I can recall Lister wearing:

-That one-piece pajama outfit he wears going to bed seen in The Beginning and probably other episodes I can’t remember; he wore something similar in the beginning of Psirens

-That vest with all four of the main characters imprinted on it

>Did Lister make that patch of the four of them himself?

I’d imagine; maybe Kryten made it and gave it to him for his birthday?

[Bargain Bin Holly]

>the leather jacket must really smell by now. he’s been wearing it for 29 years

“Laudable? Hmm, you sometimes help me with my laundry duties by turning your underpants inside out and extending the wear time by three weeks.”

[GlenTokyo]

Lister must smell like old cat food and sweaty bollocks unless Lynx Africa is super powerful in the future.

A leather jacket just isn’t comfortable wearing either, not for when you’re just sat on the settee playing games, bit boil in the bag.

[Ben Saunders]

My dad wears a leather jacket all the damn time, it’s not unrealistic.

Lister wears a vest a few times in VI, notably when he wakes up from not-Stasis

[Ben Saunders]

And in VII when he eats his toenails and Kryten tells him he’s lying, if I remember right

[clem]

Maybe that really is Red Dwarf fan art on that shirt of Lister’s, from a universe where, like in BTE, they’re fictional characters. Or maybe Lister made it himself inspired by the events of BTE.

[Lily]

I really don’t like that shirt. It just seems so weirdly meta and self-aware.

[bloodteller]

i like it, it’s like he likes the others so much that he’s made and worn a tshirt with his weird space family on it

[Piplup2003]

I just wish there were more scenes with him wearing it, I dont think weve had a proper look at it yet..

[Warbodog]

Rimmer’s wipe-clean blue tunic looks inappropriately medical, more Second Hygienist than technician or would-be officer. Sticking him back in the original uniform would make the most character sense, but we’re too far gone from that now, so just another variation on the tunic/padded jacket would be good.

[Moonlight]

Pretty fair to presume that a light bee wouldn’t be able to project a hologram if there’s a solid object between the bee and the intended location of the hologram – e.g. if you locked Rimmer in a room (and he couldn’t convert to softlight or whatever), then he wouldn’t be able to escape by just projecting himself outside the room.

And yet Entangled has him walk through a wall as if his light bee just isn’t there, or as if he really is walking away from it and they couldn’t be arsed to add it floating there. What else could that shake be when he returns if not realigning with it?

[Bargain Bin Holly]

idk, I do know one thing tho, he wasn’t purple

[flanl3]

He was supposed to look red, but it was absolutely quite purple.

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