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  • #233175

    He’s had the same one for three series now.

    #233183
    Piplup2003
    Participant

    I think he should. I’d love him to go back to the quilted jacket, but that’s my opinion.

    #233184
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Sure, why not. The visual styles of X and XI/XII are different enough for Rimmer’s costume being the same to not really bother me, but variation is always nice. We’re running out of primary colours though, will be be purple or orange next?

    (Are they primary colours?)

    #233185
    Dave
    Participant

    Yellow quilted, a la Out Of Time. Get Kryten a toupée while they’re at it.

    #233186

    Just to clarify, I’m not suggesting I dislike Rimmer’s current ensemble, I quite like it actually and I have no problem with it in X, XI, and XII.

    #233187

    Given that it’s a variation on the BtE one, we’ve had the same costume for four series and nearly ten years. His earlier costumes never lasted for more than two series. So yes, a new design would be good.

    Won’t happen though.

    #233190
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    YES.

    Of course, that means the current Rimmer will have to be killed and replaced with a new Rimmer, but it’s worth it.

    #233192
    Taiwan Tony
    Participant

    Yes, I’m bored of blue now.
    Orange and purple are secondary colours. As is green (Or ‘III’).
    Orange is a good shout.

    Next week. Tertiary colours!

    #233194

    Someone should photoshop Rimmer and change his outfit from blue to purple and tell the results

    #233199
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    I’d like to see green or red again, but mostly I think he needs something a bit more utilitarian, it’s a bit regal for a technician the holo costume. I liked the quilted jacket costume but I know Chris thought he looked like a Chesterfield or something, so maybe lose the quilting but keep the jacket, trousers, boots look. Maybe something like the old Apollo astronaut jackets, Adam Savage from Mythbusters wears them and they look pretty swanky but useful, get his notebook and pipe cleaners in it.

    #233200
    Moonlight
    Participant

    Why would we need Photoshop to see a purple Rimmer? Just watch Entangled, he turns purple in that when he goes softlight.

    You know I’m right.

    #233201

    Watched it, he looks red to me. Sir, is it possible you could’ve made a mis-smelling?

    #233203
    flanl3
    Participant

    -orange
    -yellow
    -chartreuse
    -mint green
    -cyan
    -azure
    -purple
    -magenta
    -pink
    -white
    -gray
    -black
    -nothing

    #233206

    >-nothing

    Already happened, see profile pic

    #233207
    flanl3
    Participant

    Not as a regular uniform, though.

    #233209

    I DMed Naylor; unfortunately the naked uniform is exclusive to the stage play

    #233210
    flanl3
    Participant

    Doug Naylor or Rob Naylor?

    #233211

    Nah Nate Naylor; I was skeptical at first but than he revealed to me the real reason why Grant Naylor split and I soon grew to trust his information

    #233254
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    rimmer’s new costume should be some JNCOs and a large velvet hat. he never takes the hat off so people stop asking if chris is wearing a wig

    #233255

    He did have a hat in Series III & IV that nobody mentions; so we could have an opportunity for a callback there

    #233256
    Lily
    Participant

    Yes. Bored of the same blue outfit all the time.

    I liked the mix & match aspect of III where he had t-shirts, shirts or jackets appropriate to the situation.

    #233257

    >I liked the mix & match aspect of III where he had t-shirts, shirts or jackets appropriate to the situation.

    Rimmer still sorta does that; he wore that nice looking bathrobe in a couple episodes but I definitely see your point

    #233268

    Yes, back in III and IV it felt more like actual clothes and not a costume.

    #233284
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    On a scale of Rimmer to The Cat, how often do your change your clothes?

    I wonder how Rimmer administers changes to his appearance nowadays, given that the times we’ve seen him do it, he does so by asking Holly.

    “Having to ask another sentient being to change you is kind of awkward and Rimmer is really high strung” is actually a decent explanation for the lack of costume changes.

    #233288
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    He’s hard light so really, he could wear his own clothes (pre death) and his costume could be real, save a bit of processing power on Red Dwarf and get a dispenser to give him a IRL uniform.

    I wonder if he was so inclined he could take off his jacket and lend it to Lister. Would Lister then be impenetrable with his hard light shell?

    Come to think of it, is anyone wearing clothes on Red Dwarf? Maybe they just have hard light projected clothes and the reason they wear the same thing all the time is that they can’t be arsed to model any new clothes.

    #233293
    Taiwan Tony
    Participant

    ^^ I glanced at that pic and wondered what Vic Reeves was doing in that outfit.

    #233296
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    All I’d change is perhaps make the outfit a bit more reflective – I rather liked the BTE outfit – and replace the black dress shoes he has now with the knee high boots he previously wore.

    #233297

    >On a scale of Rimmer to The Cat, how often do your change your clothes?

    Surely it would be on a scale of Kryten to The Cat, since Kryten almost never wears different clothing minus when he went on holiday to Z Deck and other rare occasions

    #233306
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    Surely it would be on a scale of Kryten to The Cat, since Kryten almost never wears different clothing minus when he went on holiday to Z Deck and other rare occasions

    It’s a fair point, but with very rare exception, Kryten’s outfits aren’t really “clothes” per se, so he’s not on the scale. Rimmer’s clothes are a simulation, but they’re a simulation of clothes.

    He’s hard light so really, he could wear his own clothes (pre death) and his costume could be real, save a bit of processing power on Red Dwarf and get a dispenser to give him a IRL uniform.

    Interesting idea, but given that it would only save energy if the light bee restricted itself to generating his hands, neck and head (as opposed to generating the rest of his body as naked), would Rimmer even be able to feel anything in the rest of his body, or stop the real physical uniform from just falling to the ground? “Hardlight” definitely implies you only get the hardness if you’re generating the light.

    I wonder if he was so inclined he could take off his jacket and lend it to Lister. Would Lister then be impenetrable with his hard light shell?

    Come to think of it, is anyone wearing clothes on Red Dwarf? Maybe they just have hard light projected clothes and the reason they wear the same thing all the time is that they can’t be arsed to model any new clothes.

    Rimmer wouldn’t be able to give his jacket to Lister, because Rimmer’s body and clothes are all just one projection that the light bee surrounds itself with. Pretty fair to presume that a light bee wouldn’t be able to project a hologram if there’s a solid object between the bee and the intended location of the hologram – e.g. if you locked Rimmer in a room (and he couldn’t convert to softlight or whatever), then he wouldn’t be able to escape by just projecting himself outside the room.

    Plus, Rimmer’s light bee is – as far as we know – the only hardlight hologram projection tech they have on board, so trying to generate hardlight objects for other crewmembers to use separate from Rimmer would be quite a challenge.

    #233348

    We never see him take anything off, do we? I’d imagine if he wants to change clothes, it just sort of… happens, like the fried egg chilli chutney sandwich or his hair.

    #233355
    Dax101
    Participant

    I say just keep the same outfit. it looks better on Chris then the BTE light blue did and it highlights that Rimmer is a hard light hologram which id rather the show didn’t forget that soft light holograms were a thing.

    #233357
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    bit boring if they keep it looking the same forever. the show used to change how it looked completely every couple series, they ought to keep that up.

    #233358
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    More outfit variety for Lister too, please. A man is more than a leather jacket.

    #233362
    Paul Muller
    Participant

    IMO Rimmer and Lister are both due a bit of a costume update – they’re both looking a bit stale after three series.

    For Lister, something a bit more utilitarian I reckon – I know everyone hates that boilersuit thing in VI/VII but something along those lines might work, with a bit more colour. There’s so many patches, patterns and prints on him at the moment it’s difficult to know where to look.

    For Rimmer, get rid of the dress shoes, give him some boots, a bit of padding or some alternating fabrics to break it up a bit. Currently, he’s just a very long slab of blue. And yeah, maybe it’s time for a colour change. Yellow or orange I reckon.

    That said, I’m probably talking bollocks – I know fuck all about fashion/style.

    #233373
    flanl3
    Participant

    Did Lister make that patch of the four of them himself?

    #233376

    Lister seems to be permanently in his leather jacket at the minute, didn’t he take it off sometimes in III-V? I can’t remember off-hand, but I don’t recall ever noticing just how often he wears it.

    #233378
    Dave
    Participant

    He wore a bathrobe a few times in III, yes.

    #233379
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    the leather jacket must really smell by now. he’s been wearing it for 29 years

    #233381

    Besides the biker jackets, I can recall Lister wearing:

    -That one-piece pajama outfit he wears going to bed seen in The Beginning and probably other episodes I can’t remember; he wore something similar in the beginning of Psirens

    -That vest with all four of the main characters imprinted on it

    >Did Lister make that patch of the four of them himself?

    I’d imagine; maybe Kryten made it and gave it to him for his birthday?

    #233382

    >the leather jacket must really smell by now. he’s been wearing it for 29 years

    “Laudable? Hmm, you sometimes help me with my laundry duties by turning your underpants inside out and extending the wear time by three weeks.”

    #233390
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Lister must smell like old cat food and sweaty bollocks unless Lynx Africa is super powerful in the future.

    A leather jacket just isn’t comfortable wearing either, not for when you’re just sat on the settee playing games, bit boil in the bag.

    #233392
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    My dad wears a leather jacket all the damn time, it’s not unrealistic.

    Lister wears a vest a few times in VI, notably when he wakes up from not-Stasis

    #233393
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    And in VII when he eats his toenails and Kryten tells him he’s lying, if I remember right

    #233396
    clem
    Participant

    Maybe that really is Red Dwarf fan art on that shirt of Lister’s, from a universe where, like in BTE, they’re fictional characters. Or maybe Lister made it himself inspired by the events of BTE.

    #233449
    Lily
    Participant

    I really don’t like that shirt. It just seems so weirdly meta and self-aware.

    #233459
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    i like it, it’s like he likes the others so much that he’s made and worn a tshirt with his weird space family on it

    #233488
    Piplup2003
    Participant

    I just wish there were more scenes with him wearing it, I dont think weve had a proper look at it yet..

    #233497
    Warbodog
    Participant

    Rimmer’s wipe-clean blue tunic looks inappropriately medical, more Second Hygienist than technician or would-be officer. Sticking him back in the original uniform would make the most character sense, but we’re too far gone from that now, so just another variation on the tunic/padded jacket would be good.

    #233556
    Moonlight
    Participant

    Pretty fair to presume that a light bee wouldn’t be able to project a hologram if there’s a solid object between the bee and the intended location of the hologram – e.g. if you locked Rimmer in a room (and he couldn’t convert to softlight or whatever), then he wouldn’t be able to escape by just projecting himself outside the room.

    And yet Entangled has him walk through a wall as if his light bee just isn’t there, or as if he really is walking away from it and they couldn’t be arsed to add it floating there. What else could that shake be when he returns if not realigning with it?

    #233562

    idk, I do know one thing tho, he wasn’t purple

    #233564
    flanl3
    Participant

    He was supposed to look red, but it was absolutely quite purple.

    #233565

    >it was absolutely quite purple.

    You misspelled red

    #233567
    flanl3
    Participant

    >You misspelled red

    You misspelled spelled purple correctly

    #233569

    >You misspelled spelled purple correctly

    I know you are, but what am I?

    #233571
    flanl3
    Participant

    >I know you are, but what am I?

    You misspelled wow thanks for pointing that out to me I can’t believe I made such a dumb mistake haha silly me lmao ur the best <3

    #233572

    >You misspelled wow thanks for pointing that out to me I can’t believe I made such a dumb mistake haha silly me lmao ur the best <3

    You misspelled your

    #233573
    flanl3
    Participant

    we interrupt this thread to remind you to never search google images for ‘purple rimmer’

    #233581
    Lily
    Participant

    More maroon Rimmer tbh

    View post on imgur.com

    #233585

    It verges on purple. I wouldn’t correct anybody who thought it was.

    #233586
    flanl3
    Participant

    #233587
    flanl3
    Participant

    well that’s me proper baffled then

    #233588
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    Lister wearing the shirt makes sense, as Howard Burden’s intention with his III redesign was Lister’s art school background, that he is a bit creative and would make his own stuff or customise outfits with badges and pins. It was nice to see it confirmed on-screen in ‘Cured’.

    #233594

    Lister’s art-school background was him turning up for 97 minutes because he thought it’d be a skive and he had no qualifications. I always thought Howard Burden was reading too much into it.

    #233598
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    yeah but lister is good at stuff, isn’t he? he learned esperanto just by listening to rimmer being utterly shit at it and he’s fully capable of rebuilding Kryten despite having no engineering qualifications. so i think it’s rather funny that he was at art-school for all of 97 mins and during that time he somehow became rather good at painting etc.

    alternatively, in Samsara he states he went to ‘freshers week’ so maybe it’s been retconned that he was actually there for quite a bit longer.

    alternatively, in the novels he has a failed GCSE in technical/ g&e drawing, which is sort of an art qualifcation i suppose

    #233600
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    That’s definitely more purple than red. A sort of pucey raspberry colour.

    #233602
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    Lister’s art credentials do go back, he did spend his teenage years doodling beards and mustaches on the sperm pictures in his school textbook.

    #233604
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Why does Rimmer shlurp through that door and turn all silvery? Shouldn’t he just sort of go through it?

    #233605
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    but the effect looks really cool

    #233606

    Yes, it should look like his head coming through the table in Stasis Leak really.

    #233607
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    And yet Entangled has him walk through a wall as if his light bee just isn’t there, or as if he really is walking away from it and they couldn’t be arsed to add it floating there. What else could that shake be when he returns if not realigning with it?

    In softlight mode, the light bee itself becomes hologrammatic, and can therefore pass through stuff along with Rimmer.

    Please do not ask any follow-up questions.

    #233609
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    They could’ve just had him faff about with a remote and then made his arms and head stretch away through the wall for the lols.

    #233611

    In softlight mode, the light bee itself becomes hologrammatic, and can therefore pass through stuff along with Rimmer.

    “Well, of course, you do have a small physical presence.”

    #233612
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    that line was actually “you do have a small physical presents” referring to rimmer’s frugal christmas gift-buying

    #233614
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    Err… the light bee only gained the ability to become a hologram in softlight mode when Legion upgraded it? Yeah, sure, let’s go with that.

    Please do not make any follow-up… contradictory statements.

    #233623
    cwickham
    Participant

    Or the light bee just switched to projection mode or something.

    #233627
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >Orange and purple are secondary colours. As is green (Or ‘III’).

    Rimmer’s made of light, though, so green is primary for him.

    #233631
    Taiwan Tony
    Participant

    Hue’ve got me there!

    #233646
    flanl3
    Participant

    (and orange and purple would be tertiary)

    #233647
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    they ought to fix his hair before they do his costume. that hairstyle he has in X-XII makes him look like a cunt. though he is mostly a cunt in those series so i suppose its tonally fitting.

    his hair looked good in BtE though. can we have that back please

    #233649
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Did you look behind the fridge? If you lose something it’s nearly always there.

    #233652

    <blockquote cite=”they ought to fix his hair before they do his costume. that hairstyle he has in X-XII makes him look like a cunt. though he is mostly a cunt in those series so i suppose its tonally fitting.

    his hair looked good in BtE though. can we have that back please”>

    I kinda like his hair in XI-XII; it’s just always under bad lighting. Watch Timewave, his hair at the beginning under good lighting looks really good.

    I was under the suspicion Chris used his real hair for BtE?

    #233653

    ><blockquote cite=”they ought to fix his hair before they do his costume. that hairstyle he has in X-XII makes him look like a cunt. though he is mostly a cunt in those series so i suppose its tonally fitting.

    his hair looked good in BtE though. can we have that back please”>

    Well, not the first screw-up concerning computer language and probably not the last. RIP

    #233655

    Yeah, the whole ‘cite’ thing is bollocks, you just need [blockquote]quote goes here[/blockquote], but with the triangular brackets rather than the square ones.

    #233656

    Yeah, the whole ‘cite’ thing is bollocks, you just need [blockquote]quote goes here[/blockquote], but with the triangular brackets rather than the square ones.

    #233657

    thx m8

    #233669
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    green holographic flatcap and waistcoat

    #233670
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    also they should do kryten like that lord of the rings thing

    #233673
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Rimmer should look like Foggy and Kryten like Compo.

    #233674
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    the levi jeans and strange hat from Emohawk

    #233677
    Moonlight
    Participant

    Nobody liked Rimmer’s hair in X. Nobody.

    #233679
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    All post-Future Echoes Rimmer hairstyles are just hopelessly chasing perfection.

    #233689

    Rimmer should look like Foggy and Kryten like Compo.

    Lister should look like Compo, surely? The slob of the group.

    #233695
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Lister should look like Compo, surely? The slob of the group.

    He’s quite a dapper slob though nowadays, he’s more of a Cleggy I think.

    #233696

    Hmm, that’s true. Still, I don’t see Kryten as Compo.
    This analogy doesn’t work very well, does it?

    #233702
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Spare head 3’s deffo a Compo

    #233738
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    Lister – Compo
    Rimmer – Foggy
    Kryten – Seymour
    Kochanski – Nora Batty

    #233739
    clem
    Participant

    Green – Howard
    Barker – Marina

    #233740
    Taiwan Tony
    Participant

    Crit Cop – Billy Ingleton

    #233742
    clem
    Participant

    Professor E – Eli

    #233743
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    Paranoia – Smiler.

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