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  • #226724

    thomasaevans

    Amazon and Zavvi have listings for THOSE Series 1-5 blu-rays down as being released in February 26th 2018.

    Is this actually now happening for the 30th?

    #226725

    GlenTokyo

    Intriguing…

    Doug said the quality wasn’t there a few months ago so it got canned, bluffing?

    Here’s the info page from blu-ray dot com

    http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Red-Dwarf-Series-1-Blu-ray/157922/#Overview

    I’d happily buy them on blu-ray, they have value to me if they have the model footage scanned in full HD, a re-edit would be nice to include them but that’s an ask, and if they have everything on one disc.

    Any updated “tour of the ship” menus and any new material is a bonus (Rob and Doug commentaries for some episodes? Rob, Ed and Doug?)

    Cautiously excited, just because it’s the 30th.

    #226821

    SoundableObject

    They’ve been down as that date for a while now so don’t put too much stock in it being that date.

    That being said the Blu-Ray releases are back on. Doug tweeted in a reply on the 12th of November: “They’re increased the budget and are trying to convince me the uprezing will look much better this time. They’re also throwing in a colour grade something they wouldn’t agree to first time around.”

    #226822

    Ben Saunders

    >a colour grade
    awooga. awooga.

    #226823

    bloodteller

    is that a bad thing?

    #226824

    Ben Saunders

    It depends, really – it could be fantastic or it could be dreadful. A generic colour grade pasted all over the show could give you Star Wars Special Edition/Red Dwarf Remastered tier issues, but one with any decent amount of effort put into it could end up working well.

    But I do think a grade should be avoided and the programs should be presented as made, just upscaled, because I’m a purist like that. Perhaps there will be room for graded and non-graded versions. I’m aware that even just upscaling might be considered artifice, but that’s as far as I think they should go. I don’t want a Remastered 2.

    #226825

    GlenTokyo

    The grade was one of the better things about remastered to me. If they just did that and didn’t change the aspect to 14:9 and filmise it, visually it would have been worth it I think.

    It was never intended to look shit, anything to remedy that is in fact making it more definitive in my opinion, as it will be closer to resembling the vision of the people that made it and how it actually looked live.

    Good to know it’s back on though. I expect a couple will release in February and then every few months from there or something.

    #226826

    Ben Saunders

    >It was never intended to look shit, anything to remedy that is in fact making it more definitive in my opinion, as it will be closer to resembling the vision of the people that made it and how it actually looked live.
    Interesting opinion, as I believe the actual, final product, is the “definitive”, and that intent doesn’t really factor in as much. Tommy Wiseau -intended- to make a masterpiece. He didn’t.

    But I also view things as historical documents as well as shows or whatever. Also when going down the road of bringing things closer to original visions, you run the risk of Lucasing your creation.

    #226827

    GlenTokyo

    By vision I only mean how it looked when performed, overcoming the limitations of the format is not even a remaster really, it’s the same thing but clearer. Like a lossless audio format, or a rescan for Blu-ray of an old film. They’re not adding or removing anything content wise, they’re just allowing you to see it more clearly.

    It would have been graded if such things existed at the time, as one inch tape was wank.

    The videos were replaced by something with better picture quality and were gratefully accepted

    #226828

    GlenTokyo

    It’ll still have all the same issues, like the comet tails or whatever they’re called, it’ll just be less grey, and if you like it grey, DVD and VHS have you covered.

    #226848

    Katydid

    The color grade will either make it look basically fine, or absolutely horrific. Unfortunately the latter is the standard nowadays.

    #226865

    Warbodog

    Hopefully Doug will give it a blue rinse to match the blue look of XI & XII that wasn’t possible with the technology in 1988. Like how Blade Runner is blue now, for some reason.

    #226868

    Katydid

    I think they should hire Chris Veale to recreate Series I in CGI.

    #226869

    flanl3

    I think they should hire Series I to recreate Chris Veale in CGI.

    #226875

    thomasaevans

    Adding to the suggestion that this really may be happening…

    http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Doctor-Tom-Baker-1st-Season-Blu/23925

    #226877

    si

    Adding to the suggestion that this really may be happening…
    http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Doctor-Tom-Baker-1st-Season-Blu/23925

    *follows link*

    We looked at the BBC Shop online store to try to confirm, and have continued to look back there many times since, and have never yet seen a listing for such a title…

    Well, they wouldn’t, would they?

    #226878

    International Debris

    That page’s use of quotation marks made me feel ill.

    #226886

    Katydid

    I would actually consider buying Red Dwarf on Blu-Ray, but only because I’ve managed to lose disc 1 for Series I and V.

    If they crop it into 16:9, I’m going to set myself on fire outside GNP.

    #226887

    Ben Paddon

    If they crop it into 16:9, I’m going to set myself on fire outside GNP.

    I can’t imagine they will – “Shada” and “Spearhead From Space” didn’t get cropped.

    #226889

    GlenTokyo

    I can’t imagine they will – “Shada” and “Spearhead From Space” didn’t get cropped.

    Doug saying it was for the Japanese audience again on Twitter has made me think it’s going to get cropped to 14:9 like Remastered.

    #226890

    bloodteller

    are the japanese really into 14:9 or something?

    #226891

    Mr-Stabby

    The Tom Baker Doctor Who Bluray would actually have *some* benefit, as with the ‘Shada’ release, they have clearly rescanned the film elements of the show, and although the 16mm stock at the time wasn’t great, it still is a noticeable quality difference. So if they did that, then sure! Though I seem to remember, Tom’s first episode was a rare all-VT episode.

    I’m going to buy Series 1 Red Dwarf Bluray anyway, because i’m a nerd and i like to compare things. But hell if they rescanned all the model shots, i’d buy them all. But i doubt they’ll do that, if they even still exist at all.

    #226892

    GlenTokyo

    are the japanese really into 14:9 or something?

    I think maybe they like full screen content, which is why 14:9 was chosen for remastered, halfway between 4:3 and 16:9.

    Dunno though, I’m not an expert in Japanese TV viewing habits, maybe they don’t care now the novelty of widescreen has worn off.

    #226893

    Dax101

    It doesn’t seem like the BBC (including worldwide) even put that much money into the DVDs anymore

    #226894

    Jawscvmcdia

    Does Chris Veale even do CGI anymore?

    #226895

    GlenTokyo

    Does Chris Veale even do CGI anymore?

    I wondered the same recently, had a look on his IMDB and searched for him on Google. The last thing I could see Dwarf wise was a graphic design credit, he doesn’t seem to have a portfolio site or anything which is odd for someone in his line of work, and he obviously had talent considering the limitations and what he produced so it’d be strange if he didn’t do it anymore.

    #226896

    Lily

    He does have a website but … well. http://cvcg.co.uk/

    #226899

    GlenTokyo

    He does have a website but … well. http://cvcg.co.uk/

    Oof. That robot policeman.

    I assume that he just no longer works for himself, I’ll have to keep an eye on the crew credits for some films and TV with British FX houses.

    #226900

    thomasaevans
    #227200

    SoundableObject

    The Blu-Ray now looks like it is going full speed ahead but with a slight difference. Now rather than individual releases it is all 8 series. Currently listed as 16 discs and out October according to Amazon and Zoom.

    Get your pre-order in with Zoom now as it is currently listed as £40 (and you can use SIGNUP10 to get 10% off) and that seems like a misprice. They might not honour it but I think they have honoured misprices in the past.

    #227201

    Flap Jack

    Well this is certainly not something I expected to ever happen…

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-Dwarf-Boxset-BD-Blu-ray/dp/B079FLRGZR/

    Will there be any new special features, I wonder? (Or features imported from Bodysnatcher?) I’m assuming it won’t be a “Just The Shows”-style release, given that it’s 16 discs.

    Maybe some new, less lengthy menu transitions?

    Will Series I-III controversially be the Remastered versions? (“Well, they’re already film-look, so they’re obviously more suited to HD!” – Ed Bye or somebody.)

    If nothing else, this is great news for people who were disappointed they couldn’t marathon Series 8 without disc swapping. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    Unless this doesn’t actually happen, which is still likely.

    #227202

    Dave

    It’s certainly looking more like a realistic prospect now, especially after those comments from Doug about a new colour grading.

    I’ll put an order in with Zoom for the time being – £36 is about right I think, depending on what extras/improvements it offers over the existing sets.

    #227205

    Dax101

    If there were new extras id think the price would go up, but 8 series (16 discs) for £40 seems fairly cheap

    #227207

    Darrell

    If they are true restorations, presented 50i and replicate all previous bonus material, then I’m in. But that’s a lot of ifs.

    Particularly like the idea of a copy of VI that’s not completely screwed up by having massive blanking lines all over it, tracking faults and audio dropouts galore.

    #227208

    Dax101

    To much to hope for a rob grant, Ed bye and Doug Naylor commentary for every episode to go with it? Probably :(

    #227209

    Flap Jack

    Nowadays, just one new commentary by Doug alone would be quite the treat. Even if it was for Krytie TV.

    #227210

    GlenTokyo

    I’m in. Any improvement to some of the DVDs very poor picture quality is worth it, seems that there’ll still be a “bonus features” disc for each and a series and it’s extras won’t all be on the one disc which is a shame for lazy people like me but still, can’t complain.

    The updated placeholder cover art looks standard for current Dwarf production which means they’ll have sent it over to online stores which suggests they’re right behind it, so that bodes well. Hopefully we’ll get a few new extras, even if it’s just a picture in picture track where excerpts from the documentaries play as you reach specific moments of the show.

    A few Doug comms would be nice though, and any rescanned model footage.

    #227211

    Dax101

    I am interested to see how the image quality comes through with Blu-ray.

    I know with the remastered people felt i looked abit too clean but honestly i think for Blu-ray it would be worth a slight clean up.

    Just none of that other remastered crap

    #227212

    Ben Saunders

    Rob commentaries but only on episodes he didn’t write

    #227216

    Dax101

    Rob Commentary for Krytie TV

    Possibly drunken.

    #227217

    GlenTokyo

    I always think that the two things about remastered that were worth doing are the grade and the audio (not the shite sound effects and library music mind).

    People say “but it’s not how it looked when broadcast” but I say “it’s what it looked like when it was filmed” because it wasn’t meant to be washed out, it’s just a limitation of the format and a consequence of how they used it.

    #227218

    Dave

    and any rescanned model footage

    This is probably the thing I am most hopeful for.

    #227231

    Ben Saunders

    As long as the original is available in high quality they can do whatever they like for a remastered version, in my opinion. All the Doctor Who DVDs with updated CGI effects for example always carry the unedited versions as well, and I choose to watch them unedited, at least for my first viewing, to enjoy the program as it was when it aired. The updated versions are a curiosity for me, but the definitive versions for others, and that’s fine.

    #227233

    Flap Jack

    If there are any new special features at all, then they’ll likely just be some token additions rather than substantial ones (a featurette marking the 30th anniversary, perhaps?), BUT if we’re talking wish lists…

    – All of the special features from The Bodysnatcher Collection (excluding Re-Dwarf and the Remastered episodes themselves).
    – Full versions of both American pilots.
    – All of the links and other unreleased original content from Red Dwarf Night (Universe Challenge being the main thing here).
    – New Writer/Director commentaries on as many episodes as humanly possible.
    – Smeg Ups/Smeg Outs in their originally edited form (all Kryten links preserved).
    – Weblink.
    – Unabridged audiobook of ‘The Log: A Dwarfer’s Guide to Everything’, read by Stephen Fry.
    – Holly digitally recast with Hattie Hayridge in Series 1 and 2 (and Hilly recast with Rebecca Blackstone).

    #227267

    Ben Paddon

    I’ll be happy with the retrospectives for each series, the smeg-ups and the deleted scenes. Maybe the model shots as well if they can get HD scans. If I want anything else I’ve got the DVDs, though, so no great loss if they don’t get included.

    I have doubts as to whether or not the old features will find their way into this release – special features have somewhat fallen out of vogue, alas – but it might not be expensive to bung ’em on in SD. Torchwood series 1-3 included Torchwood Declassified in SD, and the Doctor Who series 2 and 4 Bluray sets include those Children in Need mini-episodes in SD too, so the Bluray Consortium seems to be more forgiving of SD content if it’s not the main feature.

    #227271

    GlenTokyo

    I think at the very least they’ll have the majority of the DVD features. Maybe not the pop song montage features due to licensing but that’s no real loss.

    An upscale would probably work a little better on the docs too, since it’s a bit of a cleaner source, might also be able to crop out some blue screen problems if they’re upscaling it.

    #227274

    International Debris

    To much to hope for a rob grant, Ed bye and Doug Naylor commentary for every episode to go with it?

    I’d actually buy a BluRay player for this.

    #227301

    Mr-Stabby

    The preorder price for Series 1 Bluray is now £16.66 on my Amazon order history.

    #227311

    NoFro

    I think I’ll wait for reviews in this case… or for TOS to provide some nice comparison images.

    Does anyone have a good example of an SD show looking notably better on Blu?

    #227312

    SoundableObject

    I was impressed with the studio sections of Shada look superb on the recent Blu-Ray release. Stand well alongside the HD location footage and animation.

    It all depends if they do it right. Get the frame rate correct and do some colour correction and grading and then it will be the best Red Dwarf will ever look and a well worth purchase for us fans who watch these episodes so much. The frame rate is where I am anticipating the major fuck up. Doctor Who Series 1-4 came out 4% slower because of the frame rate issue. That was initially made for America though so hopefully this initially being for the UK market will mean it doesn’t happen here.

    #227316

    Ben Saunders

    I noticed once when I tried to watch Chuck on British television it was slightly too fast, and I think slightly too high-pitched as well. It was really uncomfortable since I knew what it was supposed to look/sound/feel like and it didn’t quite match. I wonder if other American shows are similarly affected, and I just don’t know because I’ve never seen the original, correct-speed versions.

    #227320

    GlenTokyo

    American TV is 30/60hz, UK is 25/50, so if you play back American TV and don’t notice this it’ll be a bit faster and higher pitched. Mainly it’s lesser viewed channels that don’t notice this and broadcast it without correcting it.

    Used to have the same issue playing Sonic on my megadrive, used to have an option to change to 50Hz mode.

    I expect this will all be properly announced on the anniversary and we’ll

    #227321

    GlenTokyo

    Get a nice preview on the TOS

    #227323

    flanl3

    They did it the other way around on the American X DVD.

    #227324

    Hamish

    > They did it the other way around on the American X DVD.

    So I am not going mad…

    #227326

    Katydid

    I _thought_ the show’s theme music sounded weirdly low pitched.

    #227353

    flanl3

    Everything feels just a mild bit dreadful at the slowed pace.

    #227354

    SoundableObject

    >Everything feels just a mild bit dreadful at the slowed pace.

    If you are watching Dear Dave, it is supposed to be like that.

    #227363

    flanl3

    As I also own X on Amazon and have watched clips from it online and on BritBox, I can entirely verify that it is much more dreadful at the slightly slower rate.

    #227364

    GlenTokyo

    Can’t you just switch modes on your TV or something? Flat panel TVs made anytime in the last 10 years or so will almost certainly have 24/25/30/50/60Hz panels, because they do films and all regions the manufacturer ships too. A pal/NTSC option maybe?

    #227365

    flanl3

    I don’t think my TV does that, and even if it did, it’s important to note that playing it on the original proper rate would also not be right, as the slowdown is minor because the correction was made but it wasn’t enough. It’s a slowdown that by the end adds maybe ten or twenty seconds at most, not six minutes.

    #227368

    GlenTokyo

    Wonder if you can play stuff back 0.7% faster on VLC media player… That might be the only way.

    I think VLC will play any region actually so importing might also work.

    Or a region free Blu-ray/DVD player if you don’t want to use a PC.

    Who releases the US ones? Is it still Warner Brothers? Have they ever addressed it?

    #227370

    Flap Jack

    Reminds me of how films run faster on UK DVDs than in the cinema, due to the difference in frame rate.

    I only realised this a few years ago, and it’s like learning the Easter Bunny doesn’t exist.

    #227372

    Darrell

    It’s the main reason I got into Bluray.

    Saying that, there are some US shows I literally cannot watch in their native format, only the PAL speedups are ‘right’ to me. The Simpsons is a big one.

    #227373

    PFMC84

    I hope if they do include smeg-ups they release them unedited. It was a nice surprise to see an unedited copy (albeit shockingly bad picture quality wise) on YouTube where everyone’s effing and blinding and a lot of the smeg-ups we got on the VHS tapes were just trimmed a little to remove the F word or we had ‘shit’ beeped despite the tape being rated as a 15. Let us hear the swears! Release a proper 15 rated set!

    #227381

    Ben Paddon

    The X Bluray is a little slower, which is fucking dreadful. XI was a little better but suffered from being reencoded in, I think, 1080p. I ended up re-purchasing the XI set from Amazon UK and giving my US set to a friend.

    The BTE set used frame blending, which is a crime.

    #227387

    Hamish

    > I think VLC will play any region actually so importing might also work.

    Using libdvdcss it will, yes.

    It always amuses me when I see Windows users installing VLC with no idea how illegal using that particular library is, so much so that most Linux distributions refuse to package it and make their users have to fetch it independantly when installing VLC.

    At least we know what we are getting in to.

    #227396

    Ben Paddon

    Weird, I don’t use libdvdcss and VLC has always, from default installation, played DVDs from multiple regions.

    #227397

    GlenTokyo

    Mine too. Play region 1 regularly on my region 2 drive, I’ve not done anything other than install VLC

    #227408

    Hamish

    The libdvdcss library is included with the Windows installer of VLC by default. Because the project is based in France they feel immune to any legal repercussions.

    That does not change the fact that the end user is still violating copyright and patent law by using it in their own countries depending on the jurisdiction. Especially for someone like myself living in Canada as the mere act of breaking a digital lock is specific crime here.

    It’s insane, but there you go.

    #227419

    Flap Jack

    The libdvdcss library is included with the Windows installer of VLC by default. Because the project is based in France they feel immune to any legal repercussions.

    That does not change the fact that the end user is still violating copyright and patent law by using it in their own countries depending on the jurisdiction. Especially for someone like myself living in Canada as the mere act of breaking a digital lock is specific crime here.

    So essentially, it is totally legal for VideoLAN to distribute it (even if it isn’t legal for Linux to distribute it), and some countries’ copyright laws are written broadly enough to make using it ambiguously legal in theory but in practice never challenge anyone.

    Yeah, I think it’s pretty much OK really. Not nearly as amusing as the hype suggests!

    #227457

    Katydid

    The BTE set used frame blending, which is a crime.

    I may be talking out of my ass, but wasn’t BtE back during first generation Blu-Rays, which were all interlaced because the first generation players weren’t powerful enough to do 1080 progressive?

    #227460

    GlenTokyo

    BtE was 2009, Bluray players were widely available to the average person by 2007. I’ve got other blurays from 2007 that are 1080p too.

    More likely that it’s 1080i because that’s what a lot of UK HD broadcasts used until pretty recently for whatever reason.

    #227461

    Darrell

    UK HD broadcasts are 720i. 50 fields. UK TV masters are all either delivered 1080i or converted to 1080i. TV broadcasting doesn’t support progressive scan in the same way that CDs don’t support monoaural sound – it’s a one-size-fits-all delivery method regardless of source.

    All the Dave RD Blurays are 1080i because that’s what the masters are. Also they have interlaced elements like the end credits and the dodgy camera shakes in Trojan.

    #227463

    GlenTokyo

    What about Sattelite? Like Sky Q? Comes up as 1080p or 3840*2160 on my TV, assume at 50p for sports.

    #227481

    Darrell

    That’s the actual picture output of the box. Transmissions are 720.

    #227483

    GlenTokyo

    I mean 1080p and UHD broadcast is possible, as Sky Q does it, original programming and sports are in 4K, but obviously over the air standard aerial TV doesn’t.

    Maybe the next one will be in 4K, Doug likes his new technology, 4K HDR could be his next extravagance.

    #227489

    Darrell

    That’s platform-specific streaming though, like Netflix and Prime do, although admittedly Sky Q’s live stuff is pretty clever. But still, all the HD transmissions for the UK are sending 50i images 720 pixels tall regardless of source.

    #227500

    Ben Saunders

    So our TVs just upscale to 1080?

    #227514

    GlenTokyo

    The font of all knowledge that is a random tech website I just found seems to disagree. BBC is now 1080p 25 or 1080i 50, even on freeview at up to 17Mbps bitrate.

    Other HD channels seem to be the same.

    #227517

    Ben Saunders

    I noticed iPlayer is 50fps now, I seriously doubt it’s 1080p though. Or just a shockingly low bit rate.

    #227521

    GlenTokyo

    The website I was on says the average bitrate is 3mbps, so yeah, probably bitrate. I bet some of it is upscaled too. I doubt Antiques Road Trip and homes under the hammer are filmed full HD

    #227524

    Darrell

    The receivers upscale to 1080. iPlayer is also capped at 720 btw.

    And whatever website said that about 1080p and 25 is wrong.

    #227526

    GlenTokyo

    Got them from here. Can’t find anything else other than Wikipedia, which also says 1080

    http://www.astra2sat.com/televison/tv-bitrates/

    #227530

    Ben Saunders

    My Dad is watching The Orville right now as I make a Pot Noodle, and either Seth MacFarlane hit puberty backwards and drinks helium for lunch, they’re playing it too fast/high pitched. I don’t know what channel it’s on. But it’s really noticeable, that’s not his voice. Unless he’s doing it deliberately which would be bizarre.

    #227535

    Darrell

    That link is wrong because SD transmission on digital has never been full height PAL either. I think whoever’s putting that info online is/are making a lot of assumptions about delivery methods based on format standards.

    #227542

    neuro

    BBC have been broadcasting HD on Freeview and satellite at 1920×1080 since 2012. Most content is shot at 1080p also.

    #227589

    Ben Paddon

    My Dad is watching The Orville right now as I make a Pot Noodle, and either Seth MacFarlane hit puberty backwards and drinks helium for lunch, they’re playing it too fast/high pitched. I don’t know what channel it’s on. But it’s really noticeable, that’s not his voice. Unless he’s doing it deliberately which would be bizarre.

    I went from watching Battlestar Galactica on DVDs I’d borrowed from a friend to watching them on DVDs I bought while visiting family in the UK, and the NTSC-to-PAL conversion resulted in a very slight speedup that does in fact make certain people sound a little more chipmunky.

    #227614

    PFMC84

    So they sound a bit “chipmunk-y” or like Paul Robeson on dope, depending on where in the world you are?

    #227696

    Katydid

    Is there any good reason why we can’t just show things in their original framerate at this point? The whole speeding up and slowing down is ridiculous, and the fact that they don’t even lock the audio pitch is downright pathetic.

    Besides, if you’re altering from 25 to 24 fps, wouldn’t it make far more sense to just chop out the extra frame instead of screwing around with the speed? The loss of a single frame per second is a negligible difference.

    But again, why not just use the goddamn original video?

    #227700

    Ben Saunders

    Outdated transmission methods, maybe? Bear in mind I have no idea what I’m talking about. But there must be a reason for it otherwise they wouldn’t do it, surely. Maybe actually editing the files and re-rendering them at the correct speed/pitch is just slightly too much effort

    #227701

    Darrell

    I guarantee that if you ever saw the dropped frame example you give you’d change your mind – it’s nauseously unwatchable, and would not pass QC. There are only two options – respeeding or frame blending. Frame blending is still favoured for footage where the integrity of the source audio is prioritised – such as music releases and some film musicals.

    PAL regions have quietly been NTSC compatible for a very long time, since the 90s at least, but NTSC regions have generally not extended the same courtesy in their TV specs. Certainly, Bluray has meant that commercial releases of anything in PAL regions are almost guaranteed to be true native, and bad standards conversion for disc releases is no longer our problem particularly.

    As for the audio, the reason pitch correction is usually avoided is one of quality. Although timestretching and pitchshifting technology has massively improved over the years, it’s still wildly imperfect and imprecise, and when done to stereo and surround sources it often causes the channels to imperceptibly desynchronise and phase against each other, leaving sound that can resemble anything from a badly encoded MP3 to a psychedelic 1960s rock album. The processes work on estimation algorithms involving random factors – like an audio version of how artificial grain generation works on images – and you lose so much fidelity. Even someone not experienced in the field would notice it had gone ‘mushy’ sounding. This isn’t to say it’s never done for DVD/Bluray – it definitely is, but it sounds like absolute arse.

    #227710

    Dave

    I was half-expecting an announcement on this today, to take advantage of the 30th anniversary publicity, but I haven’t seen anything yet. I hope we get something official soon.

    #227714

    Dave

    Just checked Amazon and I see it has updated with a price of £49.99. In which case £36 from Zoom feels like a pretty good deal.

    #227715

    Dave

    Oh, and this tweet from Doug made me consider the possibilities of doing more than just a straightforward colour grade:

    https://twitter.com/DougRDNaylor/status/963933148957544448

    #227823

    Katydid

    Actually I would love to see that, if for nothing else than the novelty.

    #227824

    flanl3

    Right, because Series I needed to be grayer.

    #227827

    Ben Saunders

    The sets are already in black and white so Rimmer would just blend into the background half the time

    #227918

    Katydid

    I never said it was a good idea, I said it would be a fun novelty.

    #228538

    Katydid

    I guarantee that if you ever saw the dropped frame example you give you’d change your mind – it’s nauseously unwatchable, and would not pass QC.

    You’ll never hear more pedantry about framerates than from me, but how in the world would dropping from 25 to 24 frames per second be unwatchable? I can see how maybe somebody in PAL region used to 25 fps would be able to tell the difference, but we’re talking about converting PAL to NTSC. Anyone in an NTSC region has been watching things in 24 fps their entire life and likely never even seen a program in 25 fps. Most shows are now produced at 24 fps, and even 29.97 fps shows are knocked down to 24 when streamed online. That’s the most common framerate for NTSC.

    How is 24 fps worse than fucking around with the pitch, because you can definitely notice that without being a pedant like me?

    #228542

    bloodteller
    #228543

    flanl3

    Dropping/adding an actual frame and getting the small skip every second is what can be nauseating. Sort of like in Mario Kart 8 where a frame repeated itself every second and it was really distracing once you noticed it, except that was dropping 60 to 59 fps, not 25 to 24.

    #228544

    Ben Saunders

    If it’s a duplicated frame it can be annoying but surely if it’s interpolated it would be fine

    Idk though

    I didn’t think NTSC viewers would be used to 24fps, I thought they watched stuff in 30/29.97

    #228548

    Flap Jack

    so this has just popped up on amazon. blu-ray of 1-8 coming on October 1st i guess

    Yeah, that Amazon listing has been there a while. Still weird to have a release date – even if it’s just a placeholder – before the thing has even been announced. Can’t say I’m leaping to pre-order a product that might not even exist!

    #228549

    Katydid

    I didn’t think NTSC viewers would be used to 24fps, I thought they watched stuff in 30/29.97

    Basically all scripted TV is in 24 fps now, including audience sitcoms.

    #228552

    Ben Saunders

    >Can’t say I’m leaping to pre-order a product that might not even exist!
    They don’t charge you until the thing actually ships so there would be no harm in pre-ordering it, I think

    >Basically all scripted TV is in 24 fps now, including audience sitcoms.
    Cool.

    #228557

    Katydid

    I’d be lying if I said I didn’t permanently associate higher framerates with cheapness and sitcoms, since I was primarily exposed to it in my youth through low budget BBC shows and American sitcoms of the 1970s. To me, 24 is the “proper” framerate for scripted entertainment, and anything higher just feels wrong unless it’s on a traditional multi-camera sitcom.

    And since the current Red Dwarf isn’t shot quite the same as a traditional multi-camera sitcom, sometimes looking closer to a single-camera drama production, a higher framerate would feel just as wrong to me as watching the multi-camera BBC series in 24 fps does.

    I would aggressively contest the attitude I’ve heard from DwarfCasts that such a look somehow distances you from the comedy. I would personally find new Red Dwarf being shot just like the old series to make it look unacceptably cheap and old-fashioned, because really this is all informed by what you’re used to seeing in TV. I’ve always seen video taped BBC shows as having an incredibly cheap aesthetic to them, and so much of that comes from the video look and how overlit shows had to be for the cameras back then.

    So as much argument as I hear for the video look being “more real” and making you feel more like you’re there than the film look, I feel _exactly_ opposite. The video look just screams “YOU ARE WATCHING A CHEAP SITCOM” to me.

    Reality is subjective, life is a hologram, we’re all gonna die alone, etc., etc.

    #228558

    Katydid

    That’s not to say I don’t think Red Dwarf V and VI look fucking incredible, but they’d look a lot more incredible visually if they were shot single camera on film. I’m not saying that would be better for the show, but it would certainly look more expensive.

    #228583

    performingmonkey

    All this confusion about framerates is the reason it’s fucked up so very often on DVD/Blu-ray releases. One of, if not the first BBC Blu-ray releases was of ‘Planet Earth’ and it played back at 24fps, thus resulting in that 4% slowdown.

    Budget is a major reason for this happening, as they will often produce one master for all markets. If they REALLY wanted to, they could make it all work. The same goes for 5.1 surround mixes as well, but that’s another story…….

    #228593

    RamesesNiblickTheThird

    Rather have audio commentaries for series 10-12 then this to be honest.

    #228598

    Katydid

    I just want Doug commentaries.

    #228600

    Flap Jack

    They don’t charge you until the thing actually ships so there would be no harm in pre-ordering it, I think

    It’s not so much that I’m worried about not being able to cancel, it just feels weird to pledge to buy something we know so little about. Plus, the pre-order price is unlikely to rise, so there doesn’t seem to be much advantage to being so prepared.

    #228601

    SoundableObject

    >Budget is a major reason for this happening, as they will often produce one master for all markets. If they REALLY wanted to, they could make it all work. The same goes for 5.1 surround mixes as well, but that’s another story…….

    It sounds like that won’t happen next time. Over on another forum when talking about the possible upcoming Classic Doctor Who Blu-Ray season sets a member of the Restoration Team has stated that there would be separate 50i and 60i releases, depending on territory.

    I think with Doug Naylor ensuring the quality of the release before signing off on them, we hopefully won’t get a screw up like that.

    #228602

    bloodteller

    why are they releasing it all on Blu-Ray anyway? what’s the market for that?

    dunno about anyone else but i certainly wouldn’t pay to see I-VIII in slightly higher quality, but maybe thats just me.

    #228606

    Ben Saunders

    Once again I find myself in wholehearted agreement with Katydid, RE: frame rates.

    >I think with Doug Naylor ensuring the quality of the release before signing off on them, we hopefully won’t get a screw up like that.
    The man behind Red Dwarf: Remastered and Timewave?!

    #228625

    Dave

    why are they releasing it all on Blu-Ray anyway? what’s the market for that?

    Presumably it has been a very strong seller on DVD in all its various forms over the years, and this is the logical next variation.

    #228629

    Ben Paddon

    According to tweets from Doug yonks ago, there is apparently demand for it in Japan.

    #228633

    NoFro

    > That’s not to say I don’t think Red Dwarf V and VI look fucking incredible, but they’d look a lot more incredible visually if they were shot single camera on film. I’m not saying that would be better for the show, but it would certainly look more expensive.

    They would certainly look better. A lot of old shows have looked amazing on their Blu Ray releases because they were shot on film. I wish Dwarf could look as good, especially as most of the episodes look great from a sets/costumes/lighting standpoint, but the source just can’t provide that.

    I can’t believe that even a decade ago the BBC were shooting scripted, highly popular shows that weren’t future-proofed for HD (see: Doctor Who, The Mighty Boosh).

    #228639

    Ben Saunders

    I would have sworn the Mighty Boosh was Channel 4. Lots of early digital films like the Star Wars prequels were shot at 1080p, and that’s it. They are forever locked at that resolution. And I read somewhere (maybe on here lmao) that I think 28 Days Later was genuinely shot at 480p, and that’s as high as it will ever be. Now 1080p I can understand given that they basically invented digital cameras -for- Attack of the Clones, but 480p?! What were they thinking.

    Even The Phantom Menace, which was shot on film for the most part except for one scene, probably will remain at 1080p because of that one scene. Lucas elected to use the scene where Qui Gon tests Anakin’s blood as a testing ground for his new digital camera, to see if anybody would notice that it switched from film to digital, and I don’t think many people did, and so the digital age began.

    Then you have Tommy Wiseau who shot The Room -simultaneously- on digital AND film because he didn’t understand the difference, and had to have a custom camera enclosure made to hold both cameras side by side iirc. I don’t know if the final movie is presented fully one or the other or a mix, though.

    #228644

    Dave

    The low-res filming of 28 Days Later was a deliberate stylistic choice that I thought worked quite well.

    #228645

    Ben Saunders

    It’s going to be a blast revisiting that film on the 8k televisions of the not too distant future.

    Mind you if Red Dwarf is anything to go by we’ll all have gone back to CRTs by that point, anyway.

    #228651

    MANI506

    I wonder if the proposed blu-ray would feature re-shot vis-fx for VII which Doug has said would be fun to do.

    #228681

    Mr-Stabby

    >And I read somewhere (maybe on here lmao) that I think 28 Days Later was genuinely shot at 480p, and that’s as high as it will ever be. Now 1080p I can understand given that they basically invented digital cameras -for- Attack of the Clones, but 480p?! What were they thinking.

    Watch the film. They film on a completely empty Westminster Bridge and City of London. They had literally minutes between the sun coming up and the city getting swamped. Rather than waste time setting up film cameras, they shot with a bank of Canon XL1 MiniDV video cameras, all filming at once, because they took literally moments to setup. The footage speaks for itself. No CGI, no fancy production tricks. REAL London looks deserted. I think that was worth using the slightly cheaper cameras. It looks amazing. And stylistically i think it works too.

    #228682

    Ben Saunders

    So it’s The Dalek Invasion of Earth but with zombies?

    #228692

    quinn_drummer

    Doug has just tweeted this

    https://twitter.com/DougRDNaylor/status/969172179014291456

    “In the Blu-Ray suite working on Red Dwarf III. It’s looking nice. The Up-Rez is nice, the noise reduction is nice, the grade is nice. It just looks nice period. #RedDwarf30#October”

    So looks like we’ll get getting something in October!!

    #228693

    si

    October, eh? Hmm. If only there was some kind of Red Dwarf fan event around then..

    #228694

    Dave

    Great to hear. Looking forward to seeing how it looks.

    #228705

    Dax101

    Will be interesting to see how this turns out.

    #228706

    NoFro

    III probably has the most room for improvement. Well, maybe there’s no room for improvement but it certainly looks the worst.

    #228709

    Dax101

    I wonder will dave be showing the Blu-ray quality shows after its released.

    If you are gonna put money into it you may aswell make the most of it.

    #228711

    Ben Saunders

    Just went on Google images for some screencaps of Marooned and oh boy does that cockpit scene look horrible.

    #228712

    Pete Part Three

    They’re taking the opportunity to remove Hattie altogether and replace her with newly filmed footage of Norm. This is perhaps more troublesome for Parallel Universe, though.

    #228713

    bloodteller

    >Just went on Google images for some screencaps of Marooned and oh boy does that cockpit scene look horrible.

    i wonder if they’ll change that in some way for the blu-ray? it looks incredibly dodgy in SD so it’ll no doubt look even dodgier in HD.

    if i recall correctly Remastered tried fixing the cockpit scene but they somehow made it look even worse

    #228714

    Dave

    I would hope that they would ‘fix’ as little as possible. The effects techniques, whether good or bad, are part of what the show is.

    #228716

    Dax101

    I wouldn’t mind a hint of remastering just to smooth over some of the effects rather than replace them.

    #228717

    Dave

    Slippery slope, though.

    #228725

    International Debris

    I wouldn’t mind an actual remaster, in terms of polishing up the final product. What we had in 1997 was a remix, really, going back to the source and changing individual ingredients.

    #229076

    Dave

    Also posted in the news thread, this seems relevant:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07B82S1CT

    #229106

    cwickham

    The fact that they’re bothering to put new extras on these is quite encouraging. The Tom Baker Years and the Genesis of the Daleks omnibus edit will be nice to have for archival purposes – shades of The Bodysnatcher Collection including all the stuff they missed off the series releases.

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