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  • #102441
    Jo
    Participant

    It was a really good task :o)

    >To be fair, if she?d gone through ALL of the available W words in the English language in her minute, they might have had to compensate.

    She didn’t even get ‘word’ :oP
    Sophie did the same though “I’m trying to think of other ‘O’ words” and then didn’t get ‘other’. Rodrigo made me do massive lolz with his score of 2 in both English and Portuguese, at least he took it in good humour. Mind you he always does with the tasks.

    >> get rid of her whiny, bitchy little gerbil-like face.

    >*miaow*

    That’s not what noise gerbils make, silly! ;o)

    Tonight’s show made me laugh so much that I got hiccups! Bea did not like everyone having a laugh at her expense AT ALL.
    “I’m leaving tomorrow” Blah, blah, blah. Yet MORE attention seeking from the rodent faced one!

    #102444
    performingmonkey
    Participant

    She really missed a trick there. If she had just laughed along with everyone else she could have been in a position to get back on everyone’s good side, but NO she just had to pull the ‘but what about me?’ act again.

    The funniest thing ever would have been if BB told her that her mum had refused to do the message because she didn’t want to be associated with her bitch of a daughter.

    #102445
    Jo
    Participant

    “Bea, Big Brother was unable to contact your mother or any other family member to get a personal message for you. Big Brother has been informed that your entire family appear have moved without leaving a forwarding address and they’ve all changed their phone numbers…”

    #102448
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Lemming Saturday, they called it.

    #102455

    Was there anybody watching that who wasn’t laughing just as much as Rodrigo?
    I loved the cheekiness of Rodrigo every time Bea told him off for finding it funny and he said “but it is funny”.

    #102460
    Andrew
    Participant

    And it was funny. Oh God it was funny.

    It was just a glorious checklist of brilliant responses. Essentially calling her mum selfish for not wanting to be on TV to please her daughter. Telling Rodrigo that this isn’t like when he’s upset, because this is actually REAL and SERIOUS. Explaining that she doesn’t want to keep talking about it…and banging on all sodding day.

    And the tears. Oh yes, the ‘gimme sympathy’ tears. On and on and on. How hard-done-by she is.

    #102465
    ChrisM
    Participant

    And when they laughed at her response, she somehow twisted it into being their fault “she’s my best friend! If you keep laughing it might offend her!” Like her response in the first place might not have done that.* Which was one reason Rodrigo and Charlie were laughing…

    *Actually it proably didn’t as her friend knows she’s missing her mum. But the point is, I’m sure she’d be more likely to be offended at Bea’s response than a bunch of people she doesn’t know laughing…

    #102468
    Andrew
    Participant

    I’m sure her friend has a good idea of what Bea’s like. Not actively malicious, exactly, but so blinkered in her selfishness that she becomes incapable of perspective, or of taking other people’s feelings into account.

    I’m sure she’d be hurt by what Bea said…if she wasn’t already pretty used to it. After a while you learn to brush that crap off, or you ditch the friend.

    #102472
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Y’know, hearing you guys talk about it, I actually feel like I’m missing out on something special in this year’s Big Brother.

    #102473
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    You are. Probably my favourite Big Brother ever for the various chunks I’ve experienced over the years.

    #102480
    Andrew
    Participant

    And if there’s a better ending to an episode than three housemates running in to catch a guy wanking from within his duvet cocoon, I don’t know what it is.

    #102485
    Jo
    Participant

    Another great episode :o)

    Great twist with Siavash and Sophie refusing to nominate. Massive lolz at Rodrigo leading Siavash and Sophie to catch Marcus ninja wanking, Rodrigo’s laughter is infectious and he was so excited he was jumping on the sofa. Fab :o)
    I don’t understand when people say that she’s a good housemate and should stay (these people are out there – scary I know!) this is so much better TV than seeing Bea moan and complain all the time.

    #102497
    performingmonkey
    Participant

    They have to be the last 4 – Siavash, Sophie, Rodrigo and Marcus. Marcus is a big, well, wanker BUT he has provided plenty of entertainment since he got the fuck over Noirin.

    #102559
    Jo
    Participant

    Bea has left the building. HURRAH!

    #102561
    Andrew
    Participant

    I’m utterly disappointed by the clip selection tonight. Neither the eviction show nor BBBM really pulled out the big guns – not in terms of puling Bea down, just in showing her the contradictions and hypocrisies in her behaviour. It’s hard for her to respond – aside from with that ‘go on, you know I’m basically nice and innocent’ grin – when she doesn’t really have a grasp of what’s being shown.

    Has anyone else noticed how well put together Big Mouth has been? There’s some very decent, inventive, funny VT being cut together, and somebody’s writing actual jokes for Davina!

    #102562
    Jo
    Participant

    >Has anyone else noticed how well put together Big Mouth has been? There?s some very decent, inventive, funny VT being cut together, and somebody?s writing actual jokes for Davina!

    Are you serious? I didn’t watch it this week but we watched last week to see a bit more of Freddie being interviewed and I thought it was absolutely appalling!

    #102563
    Andrew
    Participant

    That was a bad week actually. But it’s generally been very good. IMHO.

    #102568
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > and somebody?s writing actual jokes for Davina!

    Which would be fine if she wasn’t the most hideously incompetent host on television.

    Anyway, Bea’s gone! Hurrah! The house is going to very different without such a big cause of unrest in there.

    #102578
    Andrew
    Participant

    Ah well, very much just me then…

    #102586
    performingmonkey
    Participant

    It’s better produced, maybe (probably down to there only being 1 episode a week this time) but it doesn’t stop Davina being a bit crap and annoying (what could??).

    They should have laid into Bea a lot more, really got the knives out. Though whatever anyone said, nothing could ever have beaten Marcus calling her a ‘puppet’, meaning what she looks like, not that she’s being controlled. I never liked Bea but I don’t think I’d ever be able to bring myself to slag a girl off like Marcus can.

    #102666
    si
    Participant

    THANK GOD.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8221995.stm

    At least five years too late, methinks.

    #102668
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I like BB, but it’s probably not a bad thing it’s going. This can’t be a bad thing:

    The broadcaster said it had already started to allocate funds which would have been spent on Big Brother into new drama.

    Depending on what the drama is of course.

    Back to recent episode, Sophie and the World map. I’d have had a bit of dificulty with placing one or two, but I would have gotten them close. She got UK mixed up with the continent of Africa. Africa. And I liked her reasoning for the placement of Brazil. Funny stuff.

    #102671
    Andrew
    Participant

    > THANK GOD.

    Oh do fuck off.

    #102673
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > Oh do fuck off.

    I’d get used to it, the entire Internet is going to covered in this shit for ages now.

    #102674
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Stay away from the middle bit, it’s especially bad there.

    #102675
    Dave
    Participant

    > Oh do fuck off.

    Don’t worry, it’ll be back in 200,100 AD:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnv6ephtnEU#t=0m60s

    #102676
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/bigbrother/a173946/five-sky-itv2-rule-out-big-brother-bid.html

    Five are ruling out a bid for Big Brother because they want to move in a new direction. S’funny, I thought they’d stopped showing mucky movies because they were bored of new directions.

    Sorry. That was really bad. And didn’t really work. Oh well.

    #102683
    performingmonkey
    Participant

    It should end with every single ex-housemate and Davina going into the house with big blowtorches, baseball bats, chainsaws, angle grinders and the like. Then they go outside for tea and scones and a good fuck on the grass.

    #102687
    Jo
    Participant

    >THANK GOD.

    YEAH! A programme that you don’t watch and have no interest in is not going to be on Channel 4 after next year. GOOD ONE!

    That’ll teach them for turning you down eh Si? Bet they’re sorry now!

    #102720
    performingmonkey
    Participant

    I would love to go on. Though I’m not extreme enough in any way for them to even consider casting me. And I’m not good-looking so I couldn’t go on as a dumb good-looking one. Maybe I could style myself as ‘the repressible performing monkey’. It would fuck me up being in there. What the hell would I do without my digital dictaphone??

    #102732
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    I like the way this is being reported as if it’s entirely Channel 4’s decision, and indeed that the show has been “AXED”, rather than “a long contract is coming to an end and not being renewed”. Also, the assumption that it’s due to BB10’s ratings, despite a) the ratings still being higher than Channel 4’s average and b) the fact that the decision was made a *long* time before BB10 started.

    Still, last night’s show was the best single episode for a long, long time.

    #102733
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I also like the way The Sun website’s headline was:

    “BORE BRUV IS AXED”

    And this was under the banner for “Big Brother Latest” at the top of their homepage, above all the actual news that is happening in the world.

    #102734
    SkyAndSun
    Participant

    I’m glad this shite is going. Not a constructive comment, but, yeah.

    #102748
    Jo
    Participant

    >I?m glad this shite is going. Not a constructive comment, but, yeah.

    Do you watch it?

    #102781
    littlesmegger
    Participant

    This is the thing that amuses me… Big Brother gets the axe, and suddenly people who don’t even watch it feel the need to put energy into voicing their opinions, knowing full well the threads they’re posting it on, are threads full of actual fans.

    What kind of response are they expecting exactly?! :S

    #102799
    SkyAndSun
    Participant

    Well, I did say it wasn’t a constructive comment. :P

    My reasons for disliking, occasionally verging on detesting, Big Brother are broadly similar to those you’ll see elsewhere. It strengthens the prominence of the now almost unavoidable Z-list celebrity culture; associates 1984 with what seems to me to be its intellectual opposite, as well as something related to the society about which I think George Orwell was worried; and, perhaps the strongest reason of all, viewers derive pleasure and companies profit from people whose mental health sometimes seems to be genuinely questionable. And so on. I’ll happily admit I’ve watched little of the show, though; and being true to the theme of not wasting much energy on it, I’ll step out of this thread.

    #102809
    Jo
    Participant

    **OT**Not sure if this is a bug or if Teatime keeps editing his post but I’ve been back twice since originally reading the above post and both times it’s said there is one new comment – click on it and it just brings me to this^ one again.**

    #102810
    performingmonkey
    Participant

    > Still, last night?s show was the best single episode for a long, long time.

    Anyone would think the ‘axing’ announcement deliberately coincided with it.

    > This is the thing that amuses me? Oasis split up, and suddenly people who don?t even listen to them feel the need to put energy into voicing their opinions, knowing full well the threads they?re posting it on, are threads full of actual fans.

    Corrected that for you there.

    #102826
    Prue
    Participant

    I’m not a fan of ‘watching’ Big Brother, but I’ve become a fan of ‘reading’ about the UK Big Brother!!!!

    Keep me informed SingingPotato!!!!!

    #102828
    Jo
    Participant

    I will indeed! The Irrepressible Dark Horse has left the building. This is the first eviction result that I?ve been genuinely surprised at, I fully expected Siavash to go last night.

    Only 7 more days to go!

    #102834
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I used to quite like Siavash but he’s getting on my nerves a bit.

    #102837
    Andrew
    Participant

    Thing is, it’s very easy to vote FOR Marcus. I’ll bet the vote would have gone about the same if it was ‘Who do you want to save?’ – Marcus would have scored highly there, too. Because he’s been both awful and brilliant.

    Siavash…at this point he’s someone you’re kinda indifferent to. He would have stayed wholly that way throughout if not for the Noirin thing. But as it is, he’s low on the ‘get him out!’ list AND on the ‘I want him to win’ list. Something which, irritatingly, is true for a lot of the housemates at this stage.

    Freddie and Marcus are the stars of this BB, and really should have been facing off in the final. As it stands. somehow Lisa is still sat there, Sophie continues to plod on, and Rodrigo, David and Charlie are splitting the dim-and-basically-pointless vote.

    #102849
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    I really wanted Marcus to win, but of who’s left, I’m backing Rodrigo.

    #102877
    performingmonkey
    Participant

    Rodrigo should win if only because of how he says ‘shut up’.

    I think if Marcus had stayed he could very well have won. Because he’s such an extreme character he really had it in him to beat the rest. Though I don’t think Endemol would have wanted someone who was constantly like ‘fuck you’ to them to win. It was best for them to keep him out of the final week.

    The most memorable characters from this year – Marcus, Halfwit, Bea, Noirin, Siavash, Angel (cut down before she could really get going IMO), David (as annoying he is you won’t forget him).

    #102925
    Prue
    Participant

    An update would be good – what’s happening, who’s with who, who is fighting who, who is being bitchy – come on!!!!

    #102926
    Andrew
    Participant

    Actually we had a good one last night. A surprise set of nominations threw them all into chaos and really pushed a divide that’s been there for a while: Lisa and whatever minion(s) she’s got at the time (currently just David, who lumbers around behind her like a big gay henchman) versus Siavash and his gang (now everyone else).

    Lisa’s first reaction was that she’s not going to vote. In fact, that was everyone’s reaction. Which is odd, because when Siavash used to refuse to vote over the previous weeks, she was the first one to smack him around for disobeying rules and putting them all in jeopardy. (To punish him, they’d do more than simply put the guy up for nomination. Trick noms, or putting everyone up.)

    She’s an odd one, Lisa. A misogynist lesbian rebel who wants nothing more than another cigarette and a cuppa. But she’s constantly consolidating power – not, I don’t think, in a ‘voting within BB’ way, it’s just her way. She doesn’t have friendships so much as people she knows will agree with her and will do, vaguely, what she wants them to do.

    So she elects to vote in the end – pouncing on the opportunity, actually, “Oh, I could vote really easily”. One suspects the initial panic came from the fact that, with the house assuming no voting was left to be done, she’s finally dropped any veneer of politeness. Barely an hour goes past without her telling everybody how it is. And being wrong.

    (Of particular pleasure was a tirade about how, when she voted, it was about who she did and didn’t like. She was being true to herself. Some people yesterday might have voted for her because she just went in and voted for them. And that, apparently, isn’t a good reason, and shows they’re NOT being true to themselves. I still have no idea how she works through the logic of that, beyond the usual ‘It’s not what I want to happen, so it must be unfair’.)

    So while the house initially plan not to vote, when goofy David blunders into the diary room, he announces – totally straight-faced – that he WILL vote, Big Brother, cos nobody tells him what to do. The irony, had it been pointed out, would have been lost on him.

    So the coven of two vote, the others don’t, and it all ends up barely mattering because EVERYONE ends up nominated. Though they don’t know that yet, so it’s all heavy-rift time. Lisa and David sat outside, Lisa issuing wisdom about how the world will see the true sides of those she dislikes, and her know-for-sure theories about how the show is being run.

    And inside, we have Siavash, Roddy, Sophie and Charlie. Who start talking about quitting the show all together – they even get as far as going to the diary room to ask to go, but Big Brother called their bluff and they crawled back to the house in an utterly lame demonstration of willpower. But the show they described, Lisa and minion, alternating between tea, fags and cries of “nanu nanu” (something David has taken to yelling for no reason, presumably thinking he needed a catchphrase – sadly he’s failed to notice it’s already someone else’s) was hysterical.

    As was Charlie banging a pan like a gong over a sleeping Lisa. Which only antagonised an already-angry beast – but it’s nice when Charlie’s idiotic and childish pranks (“I’m 22! I’m just being daft!” being the usual defence) contain a subtext. He used to do stuff to Rodrigo to relieve the sexual tension. Instead, now, they’ve had a little under-the-covers session they think nobody knows about. They talk in code about it to fool the cameras…but the code mostly involves mouthing the words “Did you tell anyone?”

    Phew!

    #102928

    > She doesn?t have friendships so much as people she knows will agree with her and will do, vaguely, what she wants them to do.

    Precisely, and she hates being called out on this behaviour. I think she would even screw David over if it came down to it.

    > As was Charlie banging a pan like a gong over a sleeping Lisa

    This is the only time I have ever laughed at his antics. He’s probably still the worst person in there though.

    #102930
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Fucking good summary, Andrew.

    #102931
    Jo
    Participant

    I really hope that Lisa has kicked her own ass – I think I might just call up to evict her one more time… :oP
    She totally ripped poor Roddy to shreds for making her jump when she came out of the bathroom. (this was before all the nominations drama) He had been waiting for her to come out and then shouted BOO! as she opened the door. He rolled around laughing like an excited child and she just stomped off swearing and saying that if he’d done that in the outside world she would have punched him. (Um… threatening behaviour BB?!) Then she continued to shout and discipline him until he looked thoroughly miserable.

    Fantastic update Andrew! I just have an adjustment to make…

    >So the coven of two vote, the others don?t, and it all ends up barely mattering because EVERYONE ends up nominated.

    Rodrigo was the only other housemate to nominate, he nominated Lisa and David as he knew they’d both nominated and his nominations meant that everyone was up. Lisa was NOT happy. Lisa and David decided that this meant that Roddy clearly wanted to win and was after the money. They on the other hand are just in there for a sight-seeing tour and really don’t care about the prize money… no really, that’s why they talk about how much they don’t care a few dozen times a day.

    Big Brother also showed the housemates a selection of nominations videos (this was before the surprise nominations), under the pretext of having to do a test on them, but more likely to cause friction in the house. They seemed to show a higher percentage of Siavash’s nominations than anyone else (perhaps an additional punishment for his weeks of not nominating?)but basically they showed him nominating Lisa 6 times, Rodrigo nominating her for being a bit dull and drinking tea and smoking all the time. Lisa then ranted constantly about this mentioning how she didn’t actually care though.

    Most of the housemates took it all with a pinch of salt knowing that it was done to cause problems and knowing that nominations were part of the game. Roddy was visibly upset to see Charlie nominate him though and funboy Charlie tried to laugh it off. Roddy in a moment of great maturity just let it pass without comment, but Lisa couldn’t be having that! No no no! She had to keep poking knowing that it was a sore point and was very smug and obviously took great pleasure in Roddy’s upset when BB asked them a question relating to that nomination.

    Lisa seemed to think that the judgement of her doing nothing but smoking and drinking tea was unfair… and she said so, many times, while outside having a fag and a cup of tea. She does seem to have taken a sudden dislike to Roddy, perhaps she realised suddenly that he’s competition and she thought she was through to the final so she let rip… she was not happy that she’d been nominated by Siavash over various weeks. (fair enough he did lie about how many times he’d nominated her when she asked him – but still why ask? They never got on anyway!)

    Oh and she also labelled Sophie Siavash’s “little lapdog” (or similar) because she’s the only housemate not to have nominated him. She really is a vile human being, but awesome TV to see her downfall :o)

    #102932
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Excellent! Hopefully that’s Prue well and truly up-to-date, now :)

    Last night’s show really did threaten to be hugely frustrating. Why, for example, did BB only surprise Charlie with the nominations? Surely it would’ve been better to tell everyone to keep quiet so everyone got the surprise. Thank Christ Roddy nominated, really.

    #102934
    Jo
    Participant
    #102933
    Andrew
    Participant

    > Rodrigo was the only other housemate to nominate,

    He DEFINITELY didn’t nominate.

    He did, of course – being an idiot, I omitted a pretty important fact in trying to pr?cis too swiftly – but I don’t see why I shouldn’t still claim the high ground simply because I was completely inaccurate. :-p

    Oh, okay, yes, I was wrong.

    > They seemed to show a higher percentage of Siavash?s nominations than anyone else

    I don’t think so – or, at least, not in an especially biased way. As far as I can tell, they showed every vote BY a current housemate FOR a current housemate. So, weirdly, Siavash’s votes kinda get shown up as some of the least influential/effective.

    > Excellent! Hopefully that?s Prue well and truly up-to-date, now :)

    To be fair, the poor love knows one episode in minute detail while being wholly unaware of, say, the awesomeness of Lisa and David’s trip around London in alien costumes and the others’ break into the camera runs. But hey, we didn’t know we were providing such a valuable service!

    Join Jo and I on BBreiterated.com next year!

    > Surely it would?ve been better to tell everyone to keep quiet so everyone got the surprise.

    I wondered about that, because there’s entertainment value to be had there.

    But, ultimately, they know the housemates bickering about HOW to nominate will have a bigger, and more interesting, impact than getting the same shock face from each one. (Which would have wilted by person three, with the names being called in order, mouths shut but bad moods emerging; they’d guess the deal.) The ructions caused by how whether vote at all – an interesting wrinkle this year that’s never really happened this way before – have been pretty incendiary.

    #102935
    Jo
    Participant

    >Join Jo and I on BBreiterated.com next year!

    PLAN!

    >I wondered about that, because there?s entertainment value to be had there.

    Yeah, I was really annoyed at how the surprise nominations plan was executed last night, but as it turns out the way it’s gone has just made Lisa and David a million times more unpopular and one of them will be leaving this evening. (I hope it’s Lisa though!)
    I’m very much liking the speed of this nomination/eviction process :o)

    >To be fair, the poor love knows one episode in minute detail while being wholly unaware of, say, the awesomeness of Lisa and David?s trip around London in alien costumes and the others? break into the camera runs.

    This is true. As you insist…. it is one of the few episodes where I’ve warmed to Lisa and David.
    David dressed as a big furry orange and pink alien holding his big alien hands over his big alien mouth in excitement was great. As was the fact that, being on the top of an open topped red bus as well as being dressed in huge padded alien suits meant they couldn’t hear each other.

    D: (excitedly)Look it’s the Millenium Eye
    L: What?
    D: Can you see the Millenium Eye?
    L: Eh?
    D: over there!
    L: What?
    D: Oh… never mind

    Them being in the costumes was great – on a par with the housemates in boxes task (an endurance task where the housemates have to stay inside boxes – last person left in his/her box wins.) when they just cut to a shot of a photo of the housemate stuck on the box when they’re talking. It makes everything funnier… don’t know why!

    I did feel sorry for them too when they got back, all excited to tell everyone what they’d been doing and Charlie with a face like thunder sulkily told them “Well we pushed Marcus into the pool.” (despite the fact that they’d broken into the cameras runs while L&D were out – not sure why he decided Marcus in the pool was the better story topper!) they ended up in the bedroom on their own chatting about the day. I get the feeling if it had been any of the other housemates then they would’ve all been happy to listen to them.

    The escape into the camera runs was amusing if only to see Marcus outrunning various security staff – he’s fast when he wants to be! and Roddy breaking the rules for the first time ever!
    IMO it wouldn’t have happened if Lisa had been in there… she’s have pissed all over the idea. So good timing on BB’s part in pushing them to entertain!

    #102936
    Andrew
    Participant

    > IMO it wouldn?t have happened if Lisa had been in there? she?s have pissed all over the idea

    This.

    Just your telling it again has made me giggle. David talking to BB on a mobile phone on an open-top bus, with Lisa constantly yelling “I can’t hear you!” when he was never actually speaking to her…you can’t plan for stuff like that. Just hysterical.

    #102938
    Jo
    Participant

    David and Lisa the aliens!

    #102937
    Jo
    Participant

    Don’t know if Prue will be able to view these or not but: http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/gallery/Day83/d83_.html

    Pics of the housemates escaping into the camera run.

    >Just your telling it again has made me giggle. David talking to BB on a mobile phone on an open-top bus, with Lisa constantly yelling ?I can?t hear you!? when he was never actually speaking to her?you can?t plan for stuff like that. Just hysterical.

    I laughed a lot! It was an exceptionally funny episode, it sort of got lost with the Channel 4 news which is a shame.

    #102942
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Quite possibly the worst exit interview I’ve ever seen. No mention of any of her deeply horrible moments and just generally a stumble filled mess.

    Still, Lisa is gone! GONE! And with 68.59% of a six way vote.

    My prediction for the win is Siavash.

    #102943
    Jo
    Participant

    >Quite possibly the worst exit interview I?ve ever seen. No mention of any of her deeply horrible moments and just generally a stumble filled mess.

    It was a bloody shambles!

    RODRIGO FTW!

    The cheers seemed to indicate that Sophie is favourite… meh. I will not be particularly happy if she does, she’s a big pile of nothing personality-wise.

    #102944
    Andrew
    Participant

    They really have stumbled over the last few exit interviews. A shame, because at the start of the series I liked the new format.

    Crowd reactions were fascinating. Poor David doesn’t deserve the hate, but Lisa’s just radioactive – I doubt it’ll wear off in the last few days. But I was really pleased by how balanced the cheers were for the others. I don’t think Sophie’s THE favourite, just on par.

    I don’t get the Rodrigo love at all. I find him awfully whiny and pretty selfish, plus utterly lacking in self-awareness. Nothing he’s done – comedy Queen gullibility aside – has been any more special for me than what the others have done. Charlie bugs me too much to get the vote, since he seems to think being young is the same as having a licence to be dickish, and has no concept of how to debate.

    But Sophie, while daft, is – for me – basically kind and considerate, and more self-aware than she’s often taken for. Not a winner by any stretch, and really not a woman whose ambitions I can especially applaud, but genuinely interested and curious about people. (Which, to be fair, Roddy also is.)

    So I’m kinda for Siavash by default. Partly, oddly, BECAUSE his recent actions have been so blatantly motivated to winning. He’s lousy at duplicity, but his motives I can appreciate. He’s always been on the wrong side of things, except he’s actually the person I tend to agree with. He’s not quick to judge or belittle. Until very recently, his was the version of ‘BB rebellion’ I could most easily identify with – more interesting, less scattershot.

    But I doubt I’ll vote at all. I did yesterday, to get Lisa out, but that’s the only time I’ve been passionate enough to do so this year. BB10’s been good for a lot of reasons, but creating heat around the public vote hasn’t really been one of them.

    #102945
    Jo
    Participant

    >I don?t get the Rodrigo love at all. I find him awfully whiny and pretty selfish, plus utterly lacking in self-awareness. Nothing he?s done – comedy Queen gullibility aside – has been any more special for me than what the others have done.

    Selfish how?
    IMO, he’s a genuinely nice lad. He doesn’t bitch behind people’s backs, he’ll say things to people’s faces. If he has an argument with someone he goes over later once everything has calmed and clears the air, he doesn’t hold grudges.
    He does have a very bad temper, but tonight’s show (when he played himself having an argument over the shopping) shows that he knows that and can take the piss out of himself. He has acted in anger a few times (throwing oil on Charlie’s bed, water at Charlie – oh look who is involved in BOTH these situations… curious!) but he calms down quickly enough and he seems to feel bad for his actions when he does. Plus he has the most infectious laugh in the world.

    I’ve never seen Sophie or Charlie apologise for their disgusting behaviour towards Freddie in those first few weeks… and then again when Bea turned on him.

    #102946

    I know someone who voted for Marcus 4 times, Noirin about 8 times and Bea even more than that. The whole show is geared towards giving the core viewership motivation to pick up the phone. The vote to win is a different matter, of course.

    As much as I like Sophie I don’t feel like I want to vote for her to win. I would rather vote for Siavash because he’s been more of a character throughout the series and has been through more shit than anyone else left in there. If he hadn’t played up the victim act and ‘taken himself out of the game’ IMO he would have been the perfect winner. He probably won’t win in the end because of this.

    #102948
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    Sorry if this has been mentioned, but the costumes of (Sophie and Rodrigo is it?) have what look like Daft Punk’s ‘Harder Better Faster Stronger’ lyrics on them. What was that all about?

    #102949
    Andrew
    Participant

    > Selfish how?

    Once he has an issue, it’s all he’ll let anyone focus on. It goes with the tantrums, but also comes out of little, basic things like the shopping lists. There’s an awful lot the babysitting needed, but he’s supposed to be a grown man. And his clashes over the rule-breaks come from a very odd place. A place I find unsettling.

    But s’just me. I don’t think his temper cools quickly, either – they have to pull him into the diary room and wait for an hour while he settles. That’s a long old time to keep spinning over such trivial stuff. But sure, no grudges are held. Though I’m not sure the recreated row shows he’s got a particular sense of humour about himself – he didn’t seem to play it that way. Just did the lines, as if they still represented an correct and important point of view, and because NOT doing the lines would breech his slightly odd sense of the rules.

    But hey, s’just me.

    > What was that all about?

    They performed that very track. With their bodies. It was excellent. Here’s a crappy video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTRBkKFNDYU

    #102950
    Jo
    Participant

    >That?s a long old time to keep spinning over such trivial stuff.

    The whole BB environment means that emotions are heightened anyway, but I’m sorry if I was asleep and 3 idiots jumped on me, then one of them took the piss out of me until *I* was called to the diary room, I think that I’d be fucked off too.

    I’m not saying he doesn’t have a temper and yes it’s something that he needs to deal with, but Charlie has deliberately pushed his buttons on a number of occasions, knowing what the reaction will be. The fact there are feelings there means that this is going to affect Rodrigo more than if he was arguing with anyone else. I’m sure you’ll correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think that Roddy has not been called to the diary room to calm down after arguing with anyone other than Charlie. And I don’t think he was in there for an hour.

    As for the shopping stuff it’s a recurring argument because the housemates never cottoned on to a fair way of doing the shop. The first week that they actually got the luxury budget Rodrigo got told to wait till the end and then got forgotten about. So every week he tries to ensure he’s not forgotten and yes it kicks off. But that’s not all his fault, Marcus and Noirin were shitty with him and so he reacted.

    >and because NOT doing the lines would breech his slightly odd sense of the rules.

    Odd in what way? He finds it disrespectful when the other housemates don’t follow the rules set by BB when they went in. That’s fair enough and probably very much related to his upbringing. The escape in the camera run is the first time he’s ever been daring enough to break the rules!

    >But hey, s?just me

    Well that’s your opinion, but I respectfully disagree.

    #102951
    Andrew
    Participant

    > And I don?t think he was in there for an hour.

    There was one where it was like ’43 minutes later’ or something. I only remember it because I kind yelped and went “How long?!” And they still had the actual talking to do.

    But sure, Charlie button-pushing, sexual subtext, shopping stress, etc. etc. Not denying any of that. But they’re all in the same environment, and Roddy’s reactions differ from others. More than just culturally. And his reactions don’t endear him to me.

    I also have a particular problem with that kind of flare of irrational, violent temper which is just mine. I don’t think there are good excuses for it. Just reasons. And his reasons don’t make him any more likeable when I watch. (But sure, they make Charlie a dick, too. No argument there.)

    The rules of Big Brother stuff – well, they also talk about violent behaviour. He forgets them when it suits. There’s another level to his sense of the rules, though. Upbringing only covers so much – Bea’s like she is because of her upbringing, she doesn’t a free pass on that basis – and Roddy’s made specific judgement choices. And there’s…something in his mental process that concerns me.

    The way he waves his propriety about like a lightsaber – hypocritically, sometimes, and unaware of it, but mostly just with aggression. There’s a strange willingness to be bent to the show’s shape – as if any challenge of authority is to deserve punishment. In or out of the house. Not fear of punishment, but actual deference. Like he just wants to be told what to do.

    Which gels with the idolisation of royalty, I guess. He’s like the willing subject of a dictator. Not just unwilling to rebel, but unwilling to let the questions be asked. I don’t believe that take on the world is limited to the show, for him, and as such it makes me very uneasy.

    > Well that?s your opinion, but I respectfully disagree.

    I know. But you asked me to explain, so I did! Not trying to persuade you one iota! Nor do I want him executed, or judged as some kind of evil git. Just saying he’s no kind of winner for me.

    #102952
    Jo
    Participant

    I think a lot of your perception of him has to do with your issues rather than him as a person. I really can’t see what you see. You make him sound almost sinister.

    >> Well that?s your opinion, but I respectfully disagree.

    >I know. But you asked me to explain, so I did! Not trying to persuade you one iota!

    I know I did, and after reading it I disagreed. I never said you were trying to persuade me!

    #102953
    Andrew
    Participant

    > I think a lot of your perception of him has to do with your issues rather than him as a person.

    That’s a little harsh. Since we can only see from our own perspective, it’s not really fair to suggest that there’s something unbalanced about my take while yours is dead level. It’s all perception. It can only ever be.

    I don’t care for strong tempers or unquestioning subjugation. Not sure that’s especially unusual – but nor is it something I see in everyone on TV. Why must my take on his psych processes be based on too-drastic personal projections while your defence of his emotional justifications is wholly objective? Is it okay for me to suggest you’ve got ‘issues’ for liking him?! I don’t think so, and I wouldn’t – it’s not something I’d have said, even if if I thought it. (Though I don’t.)

    Can we keep this about the show? I’ve no wish to make this about you and I – I know I’d never win that one! :-)

    Maybe I’m seeing extra stuff, or maybe you’re missing certain things. Or maybe we’re both basically right. But I’d really rather we didn’t turn this discussion into some personal thing where we dig at each other’s natures.

    > I really can?t see what you see. You make him sound almost sinister.

    Sinister wasn’t the intention at all – he’s not making plans or anything, never said anything like that. But he’s possessed of issues, certainly, just like everyone is. Though not overwhelmingly – I could do a list of his good qualities, too, but that’s not what we were talking about.

    His hot temper, I think, comes from more than just his crush; and his decisions regarding authority stems from more than simple niceness. I don’t think that’s much of a stretch. And that’s really all I’m saying.

    #102955
    #102957
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    Care to clarify, The PerformingMonkey?

    #102956
    Prue
    Participant

    Very good !!! Lovely summaries and I can picture things in my head (although I have no idea what these people actually really look like – and don’t want to!! I sorta like my visions of what they could look like!!!).

    When is the final nominations/end show?

    Thanks guys!!!! Keep the updates coming in!!

    #102958

    > Care to clarify, The PerformingMonkey?

    Anyone who uses the phrase ‘unquestioning subjugation’ gets my vote. He’s also right about keeping the discussion about the show. Is all.

    #102959
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Why don’t you stick to the one account, prick?

    #102961
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Ooh look at Siavash’s leaving during David’s party when he’s only got a day to go anyway. How controversial.

    Oh wait, he didn’t.

    I really hope he doesn’t win now.

    #102962

    > Why don?t you stick to the one account, prick?

    Why don’t you stop insulting people and keep the discussion on topic?

    > I really hope he doesn?t win now

    I second that. Going into the diary room for a drunken rant about leaving definitely wasn’t part of any gameplan, definitely not… Of course, we don’t know what Big Brother said to him during the hour+ he was in there. For all we know he really could have seen the doctor as well, like he said. He could have walked out the door, had a 20 minute chat with the producers in the portakabin next to the house, then gone back into the diary room. We would never know.

    #102963
    Jo
    Participant

    >That?s a little harsh. Since we can only see from our own perspective, it?s not really fair to suggest that there?s something unbalanced about my take while yours is dead level.

    >But I?d really rather we didn?t turn this discussion into some personal thing where we dig at each other?s natures.

    It was never my intention to ‘make it about you’ rather than the show. I merely meant that I couldn’t see what you see and since you felt so strongly about it perhaps there was another reason that I was unaware of causing that. I didn’t mean I’m right and you’re wrong.

    …I really don’t care to be honest, I support who I support, you support who you support. I haven’t the energy or inclination to argue. I apologise if what I said came across in a bad way or as me attacking you, I feel your insinuation that I was having a personal dig at you quite upsetting to be honest. I didn’t realise that anything I’d said would be interpreted in such a nasty and negative way, it certainly wasn’t my intention.

    I’ll say no more on the subject.

    Performing Monkey, yes we should keep it about the show. So stop posting stupid links and stay out of it. Thanks.

    #102964
    Andrew
    Participant

    > I support who I support, you support who you support.

    As I say, I don’t really support any of the finalists at this point. Not even Siavash, who I vaguely preferred but not enough to actually protest his right to win, nor even to vote. (And especially not now, following his ridiculous non-departure last night.)

    I’m struggling to care about any of them, one way or the other, and it’s making for a lot of indifference to the final. Roddy’s got a few issues that I don’t care for, but I don’t feel especially strongly about them – they just don’t endear me, that’s all – and it’s not like the others are lacking in that area. (Charlie’s brattishness is interesting…wonder how that goes down in his daily life.)

    I could almost go for David at this point, since he’s been pretty entertaining – but the Lisa association is going to make it hard for him to get the votes.

    #102965

    David would have been so much better without Lisa being there. He’s the type of character who’s never going to be universally liked (his general loudness) but he IS likeable and IMO doesn’t have a bad bone in his body (unless he has some kind of disease he’s failed to mention).

    Sophie will win but she’s not been as entertaining and value-for-money as David, Rodrigo and Siavash have been (Charlie is such an annoying baby he doesn’t even figure). She’s a really nice girl and I’m sure most people will be pleased if she wins, BUT she’s gonna make shitloads of money from photoshoots regardless so I wouldn’t mind the prize money going to any of the others – bar Charlie. His mum’s ill, it doesn’t mean he automatically deserves the ?70,000 or whatever it’s up to now. What he has failed to see throughout the weeks is that if he had simply acted like less of a nasty, attention-seeking tosser he maybe COULD have won. They’ve never shown him doing ‘Nana’ on the highlights either. Imagine if any of the others behaved in that way? They would have shown it straightaway, I don’t know why they’ve protected Charlie there.

    Oh, and I recommend everyone make sure they get their five a day, it helps to relieve stress, you know. Just something to consider.

    #102967
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Hmm, I figured Either Charlie, Rodrigo or Sophie would win. I’m glad Sophie did, (she is very sweet) but I was a bit surprised the other two were the first two to leave. Then again, thinking about it I can see that their brattishness can be pretty irritating and divisive. Siavash second though? Ok, he’s been on a journey and I can see why he’s liked.

    #102968
    Jo
    Participant

    For Prue:

    5th – Rodgrigo (He was robbed!)
    4th – Charlie (should have been 5th)
    3rd – David
    2nd – Siavash
    1st – Sophie (Meh)

    For your amusement here are the pics from our BB final night party… http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=313030&id=689490474&l=6cb5c1c180

    Pfft… what are we gonna talk about now then?

    #102969

    > 1st – Sophie (Meh)

    1st – Sophie (Yes!)

    This is the first time in ages I’ve not shouted ‘Noooo!!!’ at the winner’s announcement. I’m so so pleased that she won, though she really should tell Kris to piss off. My gelf wanted Rodrigo, dammit, and my mum Charlie or Rod. When will these women ever learn?? Best result there could have been!

    On another note, how cunning have Endemol been with the prize money? Oh we’ve got ?28,000 going spare so we’ll give it to charity, look how good we are! They stop giving a percentage of the phone votes to charity but use money from the winner’s prize fund! Not that Sophie won’t make that money elsewhere. They usually get a cool ?10,000-20,000 for media deals.

    #102970
    Prue
    Participant

    Thanks for all the updates! Is everyone happy with who won? I know that they are axing BB, but it is after this one or the next one?

    #102971

    There’s one more celebrity series (presumably in January as usual) and one final normal series next summer. Then that’s IT, on Channel 4 at least. Though I can’t see it being picked up by any other broadcaster, and even if it was it could never be as good.

    #102972
    ChrisM
    Participant

    >I know that they are axing BB, but it is after this one or the next one?

    They’re axing it on channel 4 after the next one. Whether or not it will jump channels is yet to be seen.

    #102973
    littlesmegger
    Participant

    > Not that Sophie won?t make that money elsewhere.

    She’s been making money elsewhere the whole time she’s been in the house thanks to preshooting Nuts photos. Not to mention her two stints with Playboy, so I doubt the prize fund is the reason she went it. Her agent must’ve sent her in for publicity.

    > Though I can?t see it being picked up by any other broadcaster, and even if it was it could never be as good.

    Endemol are currently looking into doing online versions of the show, to try and help expand the online viewing boom that will obviously grow over the coming years. But I can see initial figures plunging that way.

    Another idea one newspaper had was for someone like Living to take it on, where 2-3 million viewers is deemed a number one show for them.

    #102974
    Jo
    Participant

    >Endemol are currently looking into doing online versions of the show, to try and help expand the online viewing boom that will obviously grow over the coming years. But I can see initial figures plunging that way.

    … and you know this how?

    #102978
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Endemol are currently looking into doing online versions of the show, to try and help expand the online viewing boom that will obviously grow over the coming years.

    Endemol doing online productions? It’ll never work!

    #102980

    No, people don’t want to watch shows on their PCs, definitely not.

    Btw SingingPotato1979, your party looked great.

    #103016
    Carlito
    Participant

    I reckon they could easily find a broadcaster for more Big Brother when the Channel 4 deal ends, as long as the producers aren’t playing hardball with the finances.

    Think about it, as long as the deal is fair financially, any second string digital channel could have first-run original programming for as much as 24 hrs per day for 3-4 months of the year, with a built-in fanbase and all the cash cow milking opportunities that come along with it. That’s a good deal if they can afford it.

    #103042

    I really don’t think it will return to television, at least not for a LONG time. If a cheap crappy version of it was made (this is what it would be even if Sky or Five took it) the majority of the fanbase would ditch it anyway.

    #103046
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    >No, people don?t want to watch shows on their PCs, definitely not.

    I’m certainly far more inclined to use the iPlayer now it’s on my PS3…

    #103049

    I find that I can pretend I’m doing something productive if I’m watching, say, the Merlin repeats on iPlayer. If I was watching it on the PS3 through my TV I would get shouted at.

    #103072
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    No, people don?t want to watch shows on their PCs, definitely not.

    Explain to me, then, the immense success of American online streaming site Hulu, where presently people in the US can watch the latest episode of The Simpsons, The Daily Show, Hell’s Kitchen as well as the entirety of shows like Arrested Development, The Green Wing, and Spaced.

    #103078
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    And for the UK audiences, clips of Family Guy and American Dad which can literally suck up an entire evening…

    #103081
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Yes, much suckage.

    #103087
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    Oh shush.

    #103145

    Ben, I was being sarcastic with that comment. I must have watched around 200 episodes of television on my PC this year.

    #103147
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Well.. then… er…

    …yeah.

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