Home › Forums › Ganymede & Titan Forum › We say good things about the Dave-era Search for: This topic has 138 replies, 25 voices, and was last updated 5 years, 9 months ago by Hamish. Scroll to bottom Viewing 50 posts - 51 through 100 (of 139 total) 1 2 3 Author Posts June 27, 2018 at 5:27 pm #233745 Dax101Participant See thats where things get abit twisted though with the revelation. not only did Doug throw in some jokes to almost state that Rimmers shortcomings are hereditary, but many fans have since asked the question whether Dungo was also howards father… and why? well because Howard was shock revealed to be just like Rimmer and the message of the episode obvious came out to many as Father was a loser because he was his fathers son. Maybe Doug didn’t mean it to come out that way but that was the way it was executed. June 27, 2018 at 5:51 pm #233746 Dax101Participant *Rimmer was a loser June 27, 2018 at 5:58 pm #233747 Ben SaundersParticipant Suddenly having Rimmer’s biological father revealed as somebody else doesn’t delete the fact that he -was- raised by the other man and still went through everything he went through up to and including that point. In exactly the same way that undoing the Time War doesn’t undo 9, 10 or 11’s character development in Doctor Who. It adds dramatic irony to a viewer re-watching old events, but it doesn’t change what the character experiences, does or feels in any way retroactively. Rimmer in Series III still thinks is father is who he thought it was and still acts accordingly. June 27, 2018 at 6:00 pm #233749 bloodtellerParticipant i don’t mind Rimmer’s dad not actually being his dad- i think it works in a way, that he’s spent all these years trying to exorcise this man’s disapproval and hear him say “well done” just once and it turns out he wasn’t even his dad. i think that’s quite an interesting idea, that after everything he’s done to try and be someone his father would be proud of- he was that person all along, Dungo would’ve been really happy that Rimmer made it as far as he did. on the other hand, it does kind of soil the excellent Observation Dome scene in Better Than Life. and i absolutely love that scene June 27, 2018 at 6:01 pm #233750 Bargain Bin HollyParticipant >See thats where things get abit twisted though with the revelation. not only did Doug throw in some jokes to almost state that Rimmers shortcomings are hereditary, but many fans have since asked the question whether Dungo was also howards father… and why? well because Howard was shock revealed to be just like Rimmer and the message of the episode obvious came out to many as Father was a loser because he was his fathers son. I don’t understand what you are saying really. It wasn’t biological but since the Rimmer brothers were all raised by Lecturer Rimmer they could’ve just as easily picked up his obsession with military success as being blood-relatives with him. I assume it’d be all too possible to inherit certain traits one could’ve grown-up with without having to be related to the ones influencing it. >The simulants got very goofy and were definitely weak villains. I think this complaint that the simulants from The Beginning are too goofy is way overblown, they are never portrayed as incompetent, Hogey only managed to steal the map while they were asleep and they quickly located him soon afterwards. The jokes regarding the simulants in that episode are the simulant underlings bending-over backwards to the Dominator’s every command no matter how ridiculous or nonsensical the demand is. >And sorry Doug the writing at the end with Rimmer being all heroic was probably supposed to be cool and Rimmers best moment… but somehow it felt very awkward. I disagree wholeheartedly, it was one of the best moments in the Dave-era so far. June 27, 2018 at 6:02 pm #233751 bloodtellerParticipant actually never mind, lister’s dad mentioned in that scene isn’t lister’s real dad either. i guess it evens out June 27, 2018 at 6:03 pm #233752 Bargain Bin HollyParticipant >on the other hand, it does kind of soil the excellent Observation Dome scene in Better Than Life. and i absolutely love that scene Not for me, Rimmer still experienced that, even if it wasn’t by his biological father he still grew-up being mistreated by him and having a shit childhood. I thought the opening scene at the school was a good demonstration of that. June 27, 2018 at 6:35 pm #233753 Ben SaundersParticipant This is just a nature vs. nurture argument in the context of Red Dwarf, lol June 27, 2018 at 6:47 pm #233754 Dax101Participant >I don’t understand what you are saying really. It wasn’t biological but since the Rimmer brothers were all raised by Lecturer Rimmer they could’ve just as easily picked up his obsession with military success as being blood-relatives with him. I assume it’d be all too possible to inherit certain traits one could’ve grown-up with without having to be related to the ones influencing it. Well the Original idea was that Rimmers Brothers were all successful and Rimmer always fell behind which had been a question that had been answered in subtle ways whether it was dimension jump or other episodes that told you abit about how Rimmers family life. Howard apparently is just another Rimmer now, but presumably the other 2 are still successful. I think what the father reveal does actually is ask MORE questions then it answers. and the question it might be trying to answer isn’t as good as the years of bit by bit explanation the show has gone through in exploring Rimmer. And there are at least 2 jokes in the episode that are aimed at saying oh that explains everything and i feel like that was misplaced. But then i also feel like Dougs message about Lecturer Rimmer is also an odd one since the guy is obviously meant to be this demon that is holding Rimmer mentally back and Rimmer has to detach that expectation… but if you go by what Lecturer Rimmer said then you come to the conclusion that he wasn’t actually a bad guy since the only reason he didn’t tell Rimmer he wasn’t his father is because he didn’t wanna hold him back from reaching his dreams… but then you kinda get the sense that the message is that Lecturer Rimmer is bad. And there are fans who have said oh well that explains why Lecturer Rimmer always treating Rimmer bad… but it was already said in BTL that Rimmers dad treated him and his brothers the same way so this reveal really creates alot of assumptions that is ok aslong as you don’t reflect too much back. June 27, 2018 at 7:30 pm #233755 bloodtellerParticipant there’s a deleted scene from Rimmerworld which states all of the 3 other Rimmer brothers went insane and killed the crews of their ships too, so the other brothers being failiures was a thing long before Trojan June 27, 2018 at 7:37 pm #233756 Bargain Bin HollyParticipant Well not really since it got deleted June 27, 2018 at 8:34 pm #233759 Pete Part ThreeParticipant I don’t need explanations about why Rimmer is a failure. I like the thought of him, the youngest of 4 brothers, just being the runt of the litter and his parents realising far too late that the hardline they took with the other three essentially broke Arnold. Rimmer failing to “fight back” is what led him to down one route (whereas Ace took the other). Rob and Doug brought up the idea of Rimmer and Lister being brothers in Back to Reality with the idea that this would induce despair in Rimmer (as their social standings have switched, yet their mother is shared… and I’d wager that if it was anyway believable than Chris and Craig could be “full” brothers it would have been written as both parents) and rob him his defence mechanism of irrationally blaming his parents. It’s bizarre that, then in deleted scenes, novels and finally the ‘canon’ itself, they repeatedly begin tampering with Rimmer’s childhood. Suddenly Rimmer’s failings are explained in various ways and start to become understandable. Rimmer’s not iiratuonal because all his brothers have emotional problems, Rimmer’s a screw-up because he did not have a chip in his head, Rimmer had a different Dad to his brothers… etc. The idea of all the Rimmer boys being secretly shit is awful. I’ll let Howard off because I rather like Trojan and Mark Dexter’s perfromance, but it does start muddling things up, especially with the Dungo reveal (which is the worst kind of twist, as it means fuck all, has no lasting consequence and hasn’t been mentioned since). June 27, 2018 at 9:40 pm #233760 Bargain Bin HollyParticipant >hasn’t been mentioned since “I got some issues with my father, who I discovered wasn’t my father, also I got some issues with my mother, who very sadly, is my mother.” June 27, 2018 at 9:52 pm #233761 Pete Part ThreeParticipant *has been mentioned once in a throwaway line* June 27, 2018 at 9:55 pm #233762 Bargain Bin HollyParticipant What would you consider to be some lasting consequences that would justify the twist June 28, 2018 at 6:02 am #233771 HamishParticipant Rimmer takes up gardening? June 28, 2018 at 6:39 am #233772 Pete Part ThreeParticipant >What would you consider to be some lasting consequences that would justify the twist That’s the point. Rimmer, who is dead, finds out that his father, who is dead, is not really his father, but Dungo, who is dead. It can’t go anywhere. It’s a meaningless plot reveal. Why do I want to justify it? I think it’s shite. June 28, 2018 at 8:11 am #233773 Flap JackParticipant I just wanted to jump in and say that I am absolutely cool with both the Howard reveal and the Dad reveal. Regarding Howard, it was Rimmer’s idea of his brothers, and his treatment as the youngest child, which created his inferiority-superiority complex, not the reality of them. The revelation in Trojan that Howard is also a failure in life is a good opportunity for some self-reflection on Rimmer’s part (not that they do anything with it), but ultimately it’s not going to change Rimmer’s core personality, because his neuroses are already too well ingrained. Regarding Rimmer Sr., the revelation that he isn’t Rimmer’s biological father justifiably doesn’t change who Rimmer is in the long term, because his character was shaped by his upbringing, not his genes. However, given how entrenched the idea of “good breeding” would be in the kind of middle-to-upper class background Rimmer came from, the Dungo reveal does make Rimmer reconsider his feelings about his identity and agency, even if only for one episode, and I appreciate that. June 28, 2018 at 10:29 am #233774 bloodtellerParticipant you’d think Rimmer learning who his real dad is would have made him a better and more confident person who’s happy with his place in life. sadly this only seems to apply in The Beginning, as in XI/XII he’s a complete bastard, maybe the most bastardy he’s ever been. definitely feels a bit odd, that. maybe he got a bit full of himself after learning his real dad would be proud of him, and he’s a bastard in XI/XII because he thinks he’s great. but even then it doesn’t feel right. June 28, 2018 at 11:26 am #233776 GlenTokyoParticipant Rimmer’s dad and Howard reveals are both bleedin’ awful. Former shits on what went previous, particularly some nice bits of proper acting in Better Than Life and Marooned, latter is just crap and I know everyone loves him but Mark Dexter overplayed Howard to a ridiculous degree, completely not believable as an actual person. Positive: that bit where Lister is locked out and flies into the scoop, I like that bit. June 28, 2018 at 11:43 am #233777 cwickhamParticipant I don’t see how the revelation of Rimmer’s dad ruins than Better than Life or Marooned. As far as Rimmer was concerned, it *was* his biological father who died. And Lecturer Rimmer still raised Rimmer as his own. June 28, 2018 at 12:57 pm #233778 bloodtellerParticipant lister wasn’t talking about his biological father in Better Than Life to be fair. so is it such a big deal that Rimmer wasn’t either June 28, 2018 at 1:33 pm #233780 Dax101Participant Well really it shouldn’t change anything. Lecturer Rimmer is the one that raised him so technically would always be seen as his father. And personally i prefer that family dynamic being what made rimmer who he is rather than the idea thats its just part of his fathers genes. June 28, 2018 at 4:08 pm #233792 flanl3Participant he’s a complete bastard, maybe the most bastardy he’s ever been. I’m fairly certain that that’s the literal point of the father reveal. June 28, 2018 at 6:28 pm #233798 Bargain Bin HollyParticipant That’s the point. Rimmer, who is dead, finds out that his father, who is dead, is not really his father, but Dungo, who is dead. It can’t go anywhere. It’s a meaningless plot reveal. Why do I want to justify it? I think it’s shite. It clearly isn’t meaningless in the context of the episode June 28, 2018 at 9:46 pm #233800 GlenTokyoParticipant I don’t see how the revelation of Rimmer’s dad ruins than Better than Life or Marooned. It ruins neither, that’s not what I’m saying, I just think it lessens there importance in the series as a whole. June 29, 2018 at 7:50 am #233810 Ben PaddonParticipant You’re right, if someone told me that my dad wasn’t my dad, it’d definitely lessen the importance of his influence on my life. June 29, 2018 at 5:58 pm #233817 Pete Part ThreeParticipant Ok, the thing it’s parodying is obviously the Vader reveal in The Empire Strikes Back. The Vader reveal has lasting ramifications for the character, is integral to the plot of the subsequent episodes and makes you re-evaluate what’s previously been established. This is a shining example of a plot-twist. The Rimmer reveal does none of this. It’s there to parody a scene, and to give Rimmer some motivation to do something five minutes later, whereupon the character is reset to default settings and casual viewers can forget about the whole thing. June 29, 2018 at 9:55 pm #233825 Flap JackParticipant The reveal isn’t “there to parody a scene”, it’s there as a core part of Rimmer’s story in the episode. The parody element is just an execution detail. Ultimately, the Rimmer Sr. reveal was never portrayed as something that would fundamentally change Rimmer as a person in the long term, and it worked well for the episode it was in, so it was worth doing. Because let’s be real: Red Dwarf is not a space opera, it’s a sitcom. While the sitcom format isn’t immune to characters developing over time, it’s also expected that characters will stay more or less the same, and that not every major event or revelation that occurs will arbitrarily change a character’s personality in the long term. Did Rimmer’s experience of requited love on the Holoship fundamentally change him? Did Lister’s experience of giving birth to twins and then having to give them up fundamentally change him? Did Kryten’s time as a human fundamentally change him? Did Rimmer regaining the ability to touch things after years of essentially being a ghost fundamentally change him? Did Rimmer’s experience with his other self in Me^2 fundamentally change him? Did Rimmer dying and coming back as a being of pure light in the first place fundamentally change him? OK, the answer to that last one is “yes” obviously, but it’s still not as immediate or major as you might expect. It just seems like you’re picking on this character development in particular for not having more obvious lasting consequences, when there’s no particular reason why it should. After all, failing to grow as a person despite being given ample opportunity for continued introspection is just who Rimmer is. (I do think that him having a secret message from his dad stashed away all this time was a pretty lazy way to do the reveal, though.) June 29, 2018 at 10:13 pm #233826 Dax101Participant >Ultimately, the Rimmer Sr. reveal was never portrayed as something that would fundamentally change Rimmer as a person in the long term Well thats how many people took it. which is probably because it was executed in a way that gave the impression it was gonna have a lasting influence on Rimmer. But really it was likely just something to give the show a resolution of sorts in case there wasn’t another series… course then there was. The risk really comes down to unraveling Rimmers character since if something drives the character to be a certain way and then you take that away… then you kinda expect thats gonna have big effect on the character. but really it didn’t and i kinda glad about that. June 29, 2018 at 10:30 pm #233827 International DebrisParticipant Although it is given a touch more weight than most of the other examples Flap Jack suggested, I do agree that on the whole it’s something that was written for the episode and little else. Too much character growth and the characters stop being themselves. June 30, 2018 at 12:04 am #233831 bloodtellerParticipant >Too much character growth and the characters stop being themselves. what about Kryten though? in Series 3 he’s just a droid following orders, but Lister teaches him how to be human and by Series 7 he is almost a completely different character. same goes for Lister, the characters change a lot over the course of the series. June 30, 2018 at 1:06 am #233836 International DebrisParticipant Indeed, but those are subtle growths over the course of several series, rather than one event completely changing them. If anything, Kryten is a good example of how not to do it: in VII, his reaction to Kochanski being aboard is so strong that it makes him barely recognisable as the character from III-VI, and that’s generally regarded as an unpopular change. Rimmer’s low self-confidence and reaching beyond his grasp as a result of his upbringing and his own neuroses responding to his upbringing, these are absolutely key parts of the character that haven’t really changed over the course of the show. Lose that, and you lose Rimmer. It might be doable in a long running serialised drama, but in a character-driven sitcom, the characters have to remain largely the same for it to work. June 30, 2018 at 10:38 am #233844 Pete Part ThreeParticipant >The reveal isn’t “there to parody a scene”, it’s there as a core part of Rimmer’s story in the episode. I’m glad we had that key scene in Out of Time that rewrote Rimmer’s backstory to explain why he wanted to fight. Oh, there wasn’t one. And the episode wasn’t any better or any worse for it. The reveal is clumsy (“Let’s bring this item along, which I haven’t mentioned before but is incredibly important to me”) and isn’t required for the story ; same as the godawful scene in the classroom at the beginning of the episode that’s clearly been shot in one of the rooms above the studio. June 30, 2018 at 11:29 am #233846 Flap JackParticipant OK, to be fair, I was being a touch disingenuous with my response. I don’t think anyone seriously wanted Rimmer to come out of The Beginning a completely humble, generous, nice guy. What they want is a subtle softening of Rimmer’s character over time, so that he’s back to being about as likable as he was in the latter Grant/Naylor era. However, it seems to me that such a softening is wanted regardless of circumstance, and The Beginning is just being latched onto as a potential “logical explanation” for it happening. That’s a bit different to a softening being outright required as a consequence of The Beginning. Imagine, if you will, The Beginning never happened (!), but over the course of Series XI and XII Rimmer had gradually become a lot less of a bastard, would anyone be going “This doesn’t make any sense! Nothing specific happened to cause this!”? I don’t think they would; they’d just accept Rimmer’s character subtly changing as a natural effect of being around the same people for long enough and going through sci-fi adventures in general. So, I think we should be able to express dissatisfaction with Rimmer’s characterisation without feeling the need to blame The Beginning. June 30, 2018 at 11:50 am #233847 Flap JackParticipant I’m glad we had that key scene in Out of Time that rewrote Rimmer’s backstory to explain why he wanted to fight. Oh, there wasn’t one. And the episode wasn’t any better or any worse for it. Ah, the curse of “replying without refreshing the page in a while” strikes again! Just to address this particular point, the comparison with Out of Time seems unfair. In Out of Time, Rimmer receives new information – that in the future he completely crosses the line and starts palling around with Hitler – and this inspires him to stand up and fight back. In The Beginning, Rimmer receives new information – that his dad isn’t who he thought he was – and this inspires him to come up with a plan to beat the simulants. It doesn’t matter that one is technically “rewritten backstory” and one isn’t, because in both episodes Rimmer is given some fresh insight into his identity which upsets the way he sees himself. June 30, 2018 at 12:17 pm #233848 Dax101Participant >So, I think we should be able to express dissatisfaction with Rimmer’s characterisation without feeling the need to blame The Beginning. Well really there is gradual character change over time and there is the flick of a switch where Rimmer mindset is meant to change based on what he has learnt about himself. which is what the idea of the beginning seems to suggest. In the beginning he was told he father was actually an Imbecile gardener with a crappy heritage and not the one he was trying to live up to all these years. he then talks about how much of a weight its taken off his mind and by the end if calls himself a working class hero… yeah none of that needs to say he has to change but its easy to see why this development may expect some kind of change in Rimmer. Again i am glad it didn’t though. June 30, 2018 at 4:56 pm #233849 Bargain Bin HollyParticipant same as the godawful scene in the classroom at the beginning of the episode that’s clearly been shot in one of the rooms above the studio. It isn’t “godawful” tho, I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about June 30, 2018 at 4:57 pm #233850 Ben SaundersParticipant In Out of Time everybody Fucking Dies which I would say is a shock equal to or on par to finding out about your biological father June 30, 2018 at 6:14 pm #233851 Pete Part ThreeParticipant >It isn’t “godawful” tho, I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about It’s called a difference of opinion, dear. June 30, 2018 at 6:25 pm #233852 Ben SaundersParticipant My favourite thing about the classroom scene is the terrible fan edit on YouTube that makes it ten times worse by ruining the “baboon four eyes” reveal by showing it to us twice Apologies if it’s your fan edit btw June 30, 2018 at 6:25 pm #233853 Ben SaundersParticipant Actually it shows the note before that twice I think, I don’t remember June 30, 2018 at 6:58 pm #233854 Bargain Bin HollyParticipant It’s called a difference of opinion, dear. I’d be able to understand the opinion if you elaborated on it, is it purely just because it looks like it got shot in a room above the studio? Did you not like the acting by the teenage Rimmer? Do you think it doesn’t add to the episode? June 30, 2018 at 7:15 pm #233855 bloodtellerParticipant >My favourite thing about the classroom scene is the terrible fan edit on YouTube that makes it ten times worse by ruining the “baboon four eyes” reveal by showing it to us twice i just took a look at that fanedit. it’s rather shit from what little i bothered to watch of it imo June 30, 2018 at 7:25 pm #233856 Ben SaundersParticipant Some fan edits are just really bonkers with regards to what they find funny/offensive, and the fact that they don’t really have much outside of the episode itself to work with means all the cuts feel pretty awkward. There was one fan edit of Fathers & Suns which removed the lines about Rimmer wanting the new computer to have big tits because it was offensive, and it just left me thinking, who is this person? Then there was one which leaves in the “this place is a total shithole” line from that one X smeg up, which is funny I guess, but it’s funny AS a smeg up. Then there’s the one that changes “slag” to “trollop” but tries to merge the two takes together, leaving in an awkward edit, and leaving me thinking… how is trollop better than slag? June 30, 2018 at 8:35 pm #233857 bloodtellerParticipant yeah, there are some really weird fanedits, and that The Beginning/Fathers and Suns combo one is the weirdest by far. why would you try to combine two separate episodes into one? and yeah, i dont know why would anyone be offended by Rimmer wanting the computer to have big tits. the way they’ve edited it out still leave in the punchline of Kryten going “aha, i really like that frame size don’t you?” so its all incredibly awkward and strange there’s one edit somewhere by the same guy that inexplicably cuts Give And Take down to 24 minutes…why? why would you cut anything from that episode at all, and why specifically 24 minutes? is he planning to air it on a half-hour TV slot and needs to leave 6 minutes for adverts? there was quite a good fanedit by someone of Only The Good on Dailymotion i saw a few times called “Every Dog…” which although it vastly improves the episode by cutting the Talia scenes and restoring the original ending, but bizarrely it’s all been weirdly cropped so it can be in widescreen. what’s up with that? it’s still much better than the actual episode though so I guess its fine June 30, 2018 at 9:34 pm #233858 Ben SaundersParticipant >why would you try to combine two separate episodes into one? There’s a joke in there, somewhere. I guess both episodes have vaguely similar themes regarding parenthood? It still isn’t a decision that makes much sense, given that both episodes have beginnings, middles and ends which are hardly interchangeable and any attempt to mesh the two together will ruin the flow of both. I watched a fan edit of Attack of the Clones called the anti-cheese edit which tries to take out as much of the cheese, padding and general badness of Episode II as much as it can, and for the most part it was surprisingly good – it made me enjoy Attack of the Clones – but a couple edits were really awkward. They gave Jar Jar a really deep, alien voice with subtitles to tell you what he was saying, and they cut out the “I hate sand” line so that the film (noticeably) skips straight to them kissing. The first change sticks out because you know what Jar Jar is supposed to sound like and he doesn’t even say/do anything particularly annoying in AotC, and the second change is really awkward because the footage jumps noticeably and the music doesn’t flow, but at least with those edits you can appreciate what the creator was trying to do. I also saw a fan edit of Destiny of the Daleks, which makes it feature length (fair enough), but also crops it into widescreen, which just makes me feel really uncomfortable and like everything is too close. They at least did it properly, re-framing every shot rather than just cutting the top and bottom off, so A for effort. June 30, 2018 at 9:40 pm #233859 Me Own StuntsParticipant Regarding Rimmer’s revelation in The Beginning, I think some character interest could have been derived from Rimmer attempting to self-identify as working class, and Lister rejecting that (in the same way he rejected Kryten’s dishonesty about being a true human in DNA). That would have been interesting because we’d have seen that actually Rimmer *does* silently and begrudgingly respect Lister in certain ways (his authenticity and his happiness), as briefly witnessed in Thanks For The Memory. And we would have seen that Rimmer’s neuroses can’t be magically erased just by understanding his biological father wasn’t Lecturer Rimmer. The main problem I had with the end of series 10 is that, along with the end of series 6, it shows that there’s some desire from the writer(s) to push Rimmer towards bravery, albeit briefly, just to see what happens to him. But then in both instances it’s also obvious that there’s no depth to the tease. The best development should have been in series 7, where they could have linked Rimmer saving the crew in Out of Time to his decision to take on the mantle of Ace. But instead they buried the former strand, and the latter came out of nowhere. I suspect there will be at least one more moment of Rimmer needing to discover his potential courage, selflessness and bravery, but it’s clear that there’s no natural step after this that Doug wants to commit to. Not that he particularly should, of course, but it means we’re slightly within Simpsons character-stasis territory whenever he ignores it entirely. June 30, 2018 at 9:54 pm #233860 bloodtellerParticipant >The best development should have been in series 7, where they could have linked Rimmer saving the crew in Out of Time to his decision to take on the mantle of Ace. But instead they buried the former strand, and the latter came out of nowhere. to be fair though, his actions in Out Of Time do affect his behaviour in VII. in Tikka To Ride he takes the whole time-travel venture rather seriously and is very responsible about it all- pointing out they shouldn’t use the time drive again, quietly reprimanding Lister when he messes up the timelines etc. he feels like a much more serious and leader-ey Rimmer than before in VII. June 30, 2018 at 10:06 pm #233861 Me Own StuntsParticipant I’ve said it before, but giving Rimmer brave moments at the end of a series is akin to the way Scrooge becomes a more generous person by the end of A Christmas Carol. It creates a feel-good ending, but it can’t really be followed up satisfyingly because nobody wants to see the ongoing adventures of brave Rimmer or generous Scrooge. But also nobody wants to see a sequel where Scrooge reverts back to being miserly. It creates an ‘end’, not a tantalising tease for what will happen next. Which is why I think it would have been interesting at the start of series 11 to explore Rimmer’s misplaced notion that being more like Lister might make him happier. Character stuff. Author Posts Viewing 50 posts - 51 through 100 (of 139 total) 1 2 3 Scroll to top • Scroll to Recent Forum Posts You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Log In Username: Password: Keep me signed in Log In