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Ah so I did MANI – have added it on :)

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It’s entertaining shit Ian. It’s kinda cool listening through these in order but having had them recorded at completely different times. One episode you’re talking about there still maybe being a movie, next episode BTE has happened etc.

MANI – I specifically left out Dimension Jump as I just wanted to see the commentaries. Given how few there are in comparison and how quickly I was able to put this together I might do another sheet with them on just to do a full round up.

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“In a deleted scene Hollister says there are two more places which go to two “selected at random from the prisoner roll call”. Some guy called Polsen gets the first place and Lister gets the second. Lister goes to give the place to Kochanski but Baxter puts his hand on his shoulder and he gives it to him and Baxter says they are square for the hooch.
Presumably if the ship wasn’t already a Starbug down from the opening episode they’d have had room for all of the JMC crew with room spare.”

This is probably as close to an actual answer as we’ll get with this, and I can’t remember if I’d just forgotten about that deleted scene or just not watched it but it makes sense. Also the lack of a Starbug owing to it being crashed.

I’d still argue you’d go to lengths to squeeze your crew onto the ships they have though, rather than taking a couple of random prisoners.

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I’ve just read this entire thread from beginning to end. Thanks for keeping me entertained for an hour and a half guys.

Got completely with the Oasis comparisons and coffee Revels are the best so fuck the lot of you.

Also, I think possibly the reason people like Tikka so much, despite some of its flaws, is that it’s the most heavily sci-fi concept Red Dwarf has ever attempted I think, at least at the time. I love the idea of JFK shooting himself to fix the timelines, and it plays with history in a somewhat more informed way than you might expect from a sitcom.

Also think it’s the more focused of the episodes of VII, the most Red Dwarfy. It’s a rounded story that’s about putting the characters in a comedic situation, whereas the rest of the series is more character drama with funny elements to it.

To answer the threads title question … yes it bloody well should have. Even if the show is shit it gives us something to watch and discuss as fan. Some of us will love bits others don’t, we’ll get excited and apprehensive for new episodes, but ultimately it gives us something to come together and discuss that’s new and different. Even if we are capable of spending a year discussion post s06 and everything else in one post thread … comparing series to Oasis albums and Revels.

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Many of the first couple of series I only saw Remastered for the longest time, maybe not until the DVDs were released was I able to confidentially say I’d seen them all as originally aired.

I too miss the ‘yes god’ line, but I also think they were right to trimming the scenes in Balance of Power with Lister drawing a a H on his forehead with cream and the whole ‘black card situation, end of conversation’ bit.

I’m not sure what it is, but those lines/jokes don’t sit well, it’s hard to explain. The pacing is much better without them.

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This is awesome. I’ve ordered a print.

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How the hell do you get into the junction room in Office Rimmer? There doesn’t seem to be anything to trigger opening the door

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I want to see this, but it’s a 30min meta live special where everyone plays themselves in an over the top, caricature, panto-esque kinda way.

Norman is in it, but he is just a disembodied voice that keeps demanding, from off stage, to be allowed to be seen by the audience. At the very end as he starts to walk out, fade to black, curtains down.

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I can’t imagine the original models were cheap either. Bespoke model building is a pretty specialised industry.

Even if these 12k models are more expensive than they used to be, by the sounds of it, the benefit of reducing build time from 6 weeks down to 1 must compensate for that dramatically.

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Something about a large corporate mining ship flying from rock to rock collecting the spoils of colonist miners and just buggering off again makes me a little uncomfortable.

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Ya know, I’ve never ever stopped to consider the model work in Die Hard 2. It’s that good I’ve always just seen a jet explode on the tarmac, never had it occurred to me that’s a model. That just goes to show how good that effect it.

Probably helps that its pitch black when it happens but still. I’m with you, I really appreciate good practical effects. I think we all do given how much better Red Dwarfs model work was before the mess of CGI from Remastered and Series 7 onwards.

Even later series models haven’t been quite up to scratch. Some have been absolutely fantastic (Twentica crash, Samsara crash etc), but you can tell Starbug is being manoeuvred on a rod in front of a green screen most of the time.

As for post 9/11 faux pas’, dare I mention The Lone Gunmen WTC incident from the pilot. I bet the producers absolutely cacked their pants a couple of months later.

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Ha yeah thats the other thing, what it Red Dwarf doing with a prototype matter paddle in the science room on Z deck?

I can kinda believe that we only focus on the crew hired to get the ship around the solar system, just feels a little odd that not one miner is ever referenced in the whole show, when the ships function is to mine.

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If the mining was automatic, I’d expect most of the ship to be automated and need very little, if any crew.

I can kinda buy the fact they’re all lower desk crew as it were, but Lister seems like the sort of guy that would hang out with them. Much more likely to get on with that bunch then the officers he works with.

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DNA probably has the highest count too.

Alien, Robocop, Die Hard (how can the same smeg happen to the same guy twice), and you could tentatively suggest theres elements of The Fly in there too.

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What Hamish said would work perfectly

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Are you vaping, Lister? In the drive room!

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Well, it’s not exactly female-orientated anymore, not since the the equal-rights-for-men marches. You know, they burned their jockstraps and all that. Haven’t you read “The Male Eunuch” by Piers Morgan

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“And I’m going to create a new ending to series 7 so that I won’t have to do series 8 since I hate series 8 and I consider it unfixable.”

Ignoring the ridiculousness of the whole comment, anyone could easily just ignore the entirety of series 8 and just jump from 7 to BtE.

Think about it. Final shot, Starbug flies into the landing bay of Red Dwarf … credits. Next shot in the continuity of the show (without 8) would be Red Dwarf in its non-pencil form flying through space with the caption 9 years later.

The only question that would need to be answered would be where did Rimmer come from. However, with him having not been seen brought back to life by the nano-bots we would just assume its the original Rimmer returned from being Ace. There wouldn’t be the ambiguity there is, even if it is heavily hinted this is the case anyway.

There’d be 2 scenes in The Beginning which would raise questions, “what are the chamelionic life forms” they mention. But that would just be something that happened in the previous 9 years that we haven’t seen. It would just be back story that’s mentioned and that’s it.

As long as no other events from series 8 are mentioned at any point in the shows future, you could easily skip over it and you wouldn’t miss anything.

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Well spin my nipple nuts and send me to Alaska!

I’m in the middle of planning a philosophy essay on the meaning of the self and personal identity and this has just amplified the existential Krysis … I mean crisis I was having.

I need to go and have a lie down!

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