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Well, I suppose we better talk about what’s been going on shouldn’t we? As you no doubt know, the world of Red Dwarf has been a busy old place this February with both good and bad news, so we’ve gathered an emergency council to discuss the recent GNP turmoil, the Fan Club’s inaugural (and triumphant) Holly Hop event and Rob Grant’s new script, Into the Gloop.

DwarfCast 129 – Purple Alert: Gloop, Hop and Legality (67.8MB)

We’ll be back to our regular scheduled programming from now on, with the next episode being the overdue second part of the Book Club of Last Human and the one after that being the commentary for Timewave. OH GOOD.

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45 comments on “DwarfCast 129 – Purple Alert: Gloop, Hop and Legality

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  • For the last few years you could tell Doug was alienating himself from Rob Grant, Paul Jackson and maybe Ed bye. and perhaps there is a good reason for that. maybe there has been some friction at GNP and its been abit one-sided against him. but it does seem odd as to why and how he would be singled out. unless he has created an environment where he himself is alienating himself from them and through the process they took action.

    I mean over the last 20 years. its very much just been Doug doing everything. he is writing, director, producer and even has his own son as a producer. it always seemed to me like Doug moved on from the others and wanted to do this new thing.

  • Like you said – if your only gripe about Holly Hop is not having enough time for a sarnie between guests (which was pretty much the same as me), then we’re very lucky.
    I ran downstairs and grabbed a cheese sandwich while the second cosplay was on, cosplay not really being my thing. Turned the Zoom on on my phone while the laptop played away to itself upstairs.

  • For the last few years you could tell Doug was alienating himself from Rob Grant, Paul Jackson and maybe Ed bye.

    I can’t believe they broke the “no aliens” rule.

  • Enjoyed that as always.

    I wouldn’t really say that the Lister being sleazy stuff was out of character because it fits in with parts of those first 6 series. Him having it off with jailbait ball girls, for example, or the Lolita scene from Marooned.

  • It’s been mentioned in a few Dwarfcasts recently that “sad/whiney Kryten” is a series 7 onwards thing but I think it actually began in “Out of Time” when he learned about Lister’s brain-in-a-jar fate, didn’t it?

    It’s certainly not as annoying as “youuuuu’reeee lyyyyiiiinnngggg!” but the voice he does whilst trying to act like he isn’t upset in that series 6 episode is the same voice.

    Just mentioning that as you referenced the fan playing Kryten doing a “Kryten voice” that wasn’t Rob Grant era but I don’t think that’s the case.

  • Enjoyed that as always.

    I wouldn’t really say that the Lister being sleazy stuff was out of character because it fits in with parts of those first 6 series. Him having it off with jailbait ball girls, for example, or the Lolita scene from Marooned.

    This is true but that isn’t a character trait I particularly wanted to be reminded of in 2021.

  • It’s been mentioned in a few Dwarfcasts recently that “sad/whiney Kryten” is a series 7 onwards thing but I think it actually began in “Out of Time”….

    What episode is it where he does the “I feel tewwible :(” finger waggy thing? Granted I think he’s been Polymorph’d or something at that point, but, like everything people complain about in Post-6 Dwarf, it doesn’t just come absolutely out of nowhere for absolutely no reason, there are usually seeds of it in earlier shows.

  • It’s been mentioned in a few Dwarfcasts recently that “sad/whiney Kryten” is a series 7 onwards thing but I think it actually began in “Out of Time”….

    What episode is it where he does the “I feel tewwible :(” finger waggy thing? Granted I think he’s been Polymorph’d or something at that point, but, like everything people complain about in Post-6 Dwarf, it doesn’t just come absolutely out of nowhere for absolutely no reason, there are usually seeds of it in earlier shows.

    Bodyswap, I think?

    That’s possibly my least favourite Kryten moment that can’t be explained away by him having been reprogrammed (ie Krytie TV).

  • That’s possibly my least favourite Kryten moment that can’t be explained away by him having been reprogrammed (ie Krytie TV).

    DER BLUE MIDGERT IS LOW-DIRRRDDD

  • Series III Kryten being all over the place can be explained by him being recently rebuilt, by Lister, if that helps. By the time you get to “I don’t know, maybe I’ll get a job as a disc jockey,” he’s all there.

  • Yeah I don’t mind that stuff really. It’s interesting to see that character/performance evolution happen on-screen.

  • One thing I find weird is when, in The Inquisitor I believe, Kryten is incredibly over-the-top-hammy dramatic for absolutely no discernible reason when he talks about BLOOD-CHILLING TER-RAWR!!

    Why the fuck does he do that? I love that moment but it’s bizarre. I think he does a similar thing in another episode too.

  • I find that moment really funny because it just sells the ridiculously over-the-top nature of the description so well.

  • I think its probably forgivable if Kryten was abit whiny in Series 3. it was still early days and they didn’t exactly go overboard with it. problem with it in Series 7 is the same issue with alot of Doug’s Red Dwarf, the joke just went on too long!

  • Did Rob and Doug know during the writing of Series III that David Ross wasn’t going to be playing Kryten again? I can imagine the line in Bodyswap Ben’s on about coming from David’s “milquetoast” version of the character, to use his own word. That and the scene with Rimmer’s home movies in Polymorph.

  • Yes, I’ve wondered this about Series III too. “Where do all the calculators go?” and all the silicon heaven stuff is another bit I could imagine Ross-Kryten suiting well.

  • Just wanted to say I enjoyed listening to this, and also hurry up with the bloody Book Club Dwarfcast you bastards. This book’s so dense and comparatively unfamiliar that I’m struggling to remember what the happened in this last section already!

  • My favourite ‘odd’ Kryten moment is in Polymorph when they go to the Cargo decks and have the:

    “It’s out there”
    “Where?”
    “Somewhere”

    Exchange, it’s like Robert just completely forgot to do the Kryten voice! Admittedly he’d been struggling to ‘find’ the voice in that first series overall, but to just not do a voice at all, and for nobody to pick up on it and say “uh, Rob. Do you want to take another crack at that?” is bizarre!

  • The comparison with Rob’s comments on Comedy Connections is interesting and, as his statement back then was probably not entirely candid, I wonder how seriously to take his comments now.

    I think it was always pretty clear that the split was about much more than simply Red Dwarf, especially as The 10%ers project was one of the last things that they did (or failed to do). Rob mentioning them not doing anything other than Dwarf always felt like a diplomatic way of explaining things away.

    His comments now about all of these fantasy projects also seem like a diplomatic way of saying that Dwarf is not dead, rather than a declaration of his solid intent to do any or all of these things.

    It’s great that Rob is now actively involved with Dwarf again, but I would still be pleasantly surprised if he were to take a major role in any kind of reboot or overseas version.

  • It’s great that Rob is now actively involved with Dwarf again, but I would still be pleasantly surprised if he were to take a major role in any kind of reboot or overseas version.

    I would agree with this were it not for his Holly Hop comments that seemed to indicate he wanted to write for Red Dwarf again.

  • It’s great that Rob is now actively involved with Dwarf again, but I would still be pleasantly surprised if he were to take a major role in any kind of reboot or overseas version.

    I would agree with this were it not for his Holly Hop comments that seemed to indicate he wanted to write for Red Dwarf again.

    Sure, but there is still a huge gulf between that and (for example) being a major part of a potential American version.

    I hope that Rob will write something again as I enjoy this little sketch. I just don’t necessarily expect it to be on a huge scale.

  • Could be. We’ll see I guess.

    I definitely got the sense from some of the Quarantine commentaries that Rob and Paul Jackson were regularly surprised/disappointed that more wasn’t being made of the wider commercial opportunities for Red Dwarf (in terms of books, merchandising etc.) so this could all be part of that.

  • Just wanted to say I enjoyed listening to this, and also hurry up with the bloody Book Club Dwarfcast you bastards. This book’s so dense and comparatively unfamiliar that I’m struggling to remember what the happened in this last section already!

    We’re recording this weekend and because they’re a bit of an edit job, it takes a couple of weeks for them to come out after that. Hopefully the rest of the book will be done at the normal rate!

  • His comments now about all of these fantasy projects also seem like a diplomatic way of saying that Dwarf is not dead, rather than a declaration of his solid intent to do any or all of these things.

    I did take it as his way of saying he didn’t want his name on Red Dwarf’s tombstone.

    I definitely got the sense from some of the Quarantine commentaries that Rob and Paul Jackson were regularly surprised/disappointed that more wasn’t being made of the wider commercial opportunities for Red Dwarf (in terms of books, merchandising etc.) so this could all be part of that.

    How viable is Red Dwarf as a franchise outside of TV? Carter said IDW weren’t convinced the market was there for comics and the Prelude to Nanarchy guys got nowhere when they were interested. AA dropped ’em after aa year and the official merchandise store doesn’t exist here anymore.

    When will Ian get his bowl of chocolate Rimmers?

  • Could be. We’ll see I guess.

    I definitely got the sense from some of the Quarantine commentaries that Rob and Paul Jackson were regularly surprised/disappointed that more wasn’t being made of the wider commercial opportunities for Red Dwarf (in terms of books, merchandising etc.) so this could all be part of that.

    That’s true. I was surprised at the time when they talked about the prototypes for some possible new model figures, as I mistakenly thought Doug would be the one dealing with all of that. It makes sense now, of course

  • Exchange, it’s like Robert just completely forgot to do the Kryten voice! Admittedly he’d been struggling to ‘find’ the voice in that first series overall, but to just not do a voice at all, and for nobody to pick up on it and say “uh, Rob. Do you want to take another crack at that?” is bizarre!

    Is the Polymorph location shooting maybe the earliest bit of Robert that made it into the show? The Sauna bit in ‘Bodyswap’ was, famously, shot first – he does more of an English butler voice in that. he never leaves the ship in Timeslides, and isn’t really in Marooned.

    in Backwards he does go on location and has dialogue (“It’s exactly like I always imagined, only much shorter”) but, and i’ve only just spotted this, there are no close-ups or even mediums of him speaking! his dialogue could well have been added by ADR.

  • for the Remastered version of Polymorph, they actually brought Bobby in to re-dub the “it’s here, where, somewhere” lines in his proper Kryten voice. It’s SHIT.

  • I was surprised at the time when they talked about the prototypes for some possible new model figures, as I mistakenly thought Doug would be the one dealing with all of that. It makes sense now, of course

    I get the sense Doug was dealing with it. infact he always seemed the most hands on. but i guess it also needed approval from Rob Grant too. i mean the AA adverts looked like it had to be signed off bt both of them. so i assume Rob has always been in the background somewhere for alot of this stuff.

    Red Dwarf isn’t quite as merchandisable as it was back in the 90’s and early 2000’s.

  • in Backwards he does go on location and has dialogue (“It’s exactly like I always imagined, only much shorter”) but, and i’ve only just spotted this, there are no close-ups or even mediums of him speaking! his dialogue could well have been added by ADR.

    Robert wasn’t on location at all for the lake filming. All the shots of Kryten in the boat, looking up at the tree etc are a stand-in in full costume/make-up – so definitely ADR. :)

  • Is the Polymorph location shooting maybe the earliest bit of Robert that made it into the show? The Sauna bit in ‘Bodyswap’ was, famously, shot first – he does more of an English butler voice in that. he never leaves the ship in Timeslides, and isn’t really in Marooned.
    in Backwards he does go on location and has dialogue (“It’s exactly like I always imagined, only much shorter”) but, and i’ve only just spotted this, there are no close-ups or even mediums of him speaking! his dialogue could well have been added by ADR.

    I *think* – but I am really tired so very well may be wrong – that something was mentioned about his voice at the time of recording on Marooned’s DVD commentary. I may not be able to watch it tonight to find out though.

  • Did Rob and Doug know during the writing of Series III that David Ross wasn’t going to be playing Kryten again?

    As I understand it, Ross was approached and was keen to return to playing Kryten, but the filming dates for Red Dwarf III clashed with his scheduled, as he was due to appear on stage in Flea in Her Ear at the time.

    One thing I’ve always wanted to look into is how it seems that if the script needs Kryten to side with Rimmer, he does so because he’s his superior officer (Bodyswap); and if the script needs Kryten to side with Lister, does so because he’s a living Human (White Hole). I’d be keen to find out how often he does this and when exactly he stops.

  • Robert wasn’t on location at all for the lake filming. All the shots of Kryten in the boat, looking up at the tree etc are a stand-in in full costume/make-up – so definitely ADR. :)

    Ah! And to think I thought I’d noticed something new.

  • Well really how often in the early days did Kryten side with Rimmer because he was his superior officer? the only episodes i can think of is Bodyswap and Meltdown. maybe backwards with the driving lessons… i dunno.

    It didn’t become a habit until the dave era really. because alot of the dave era does involve Kryten doing whatever rimmer wants without argument.

  • Ross was approached and was keen to return to playing Kryten, but the filming dates for Red Dwarf III clashed with his scheduled, as he was due to appear on stage in Flea in Her Ear at the time.

    Yes, but do we know at what stage in the writing process they found out the role would need to be recast? Given that some Series III stuff was recorded with the posh English accent as discussed above, we can surmise Rob and Doug were imagining David Ross delivering Kryten’s lines, or at least the replacement actor playing him more like David did than the way Robert ultimately did it. So I wonder whether any of his dialogue was changed after they settled on the voice and saw how Bobby was playing the part.

  • Mechocracy might be the only episode that goes against the whole Kryten doing whatever rimmer wants thing. unless you can name another?

    Fathers & Suns, Dear dave, Officer Rimmer, and The Promise Land seem to share that same dynamic of Rimmer bossing Kryten around. and it wouldn’t be too bad. but you only really notice it most when it becomes a habit in the show.

  • You’d think that Kryten becoming mech President would mean Rimmer no longer outranks him, but I guess Rimmer has dead human privilege.

  • Finally read the script and listened to the Dwarfcast.

    On the subject of different realities post S06, it could easily be surmised that s07 onwards is a different reality anyway. Lister says at the start of Tikka

    “I’m only trying to explain why Starbug is damaged despite the timeline being erased, because this reality is unstable and anomalies have emerged from both dimensions to cope with the paradox”

    “both dimensions” would suggest the two that have since been destroyed and resulted in this new dimension being created that we see the crew in now. So whilst it is a continuation of our crew, it’s still new versions of them in a new reality.

    Anyway, that was just my thoughts as I was listening.

    I really enjoyed the script as a whole. Dialogue is written in a way I couldn’t help but imagine and hear our characters saying it even though it’s actually meant to be other people. I was skeptical going into reading a script of something but it felt more like Red Dwarf to me than Last Human does so there we are

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