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  • #101572
    ChrisM
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    Those red eyes we see briefly. Are the squid heads returning? (I forget the name of the creatures. The aliens with external brains is what I’m referring too.) I know that red eyes and monsters isn’t a new thing, but the whole shape of the eyes reminded me of them.

    #101573
    si
    Participant

    Ood.

    And yes, I believe so.

    #101574
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Well since spoilers are ok, Ood Sigma will appear at the end of ‘The Waters of Mars’ and he has also been seen filming were Rose and her mother were filming with the Doctor on the floor in the snow, christmas 2005 I think it is.

    #101576
    ChrisM
    Participant

    This is great:

    #101581
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Oh, I saw those a while ago. Lovely idea, shame the songs are bloody gash.

    #101609
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I just had a go at Ian Levine on Gallifrey Base over him having a go at 2|E, does that make me a proper Doctor Who fan now?

    #101610
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Isn’t that a bit like shooting a big stupid fish in a barrel?

    What was his complaint?

    #101613
    JamesTC
    Participant

    He was saying 2|E were crazy for releasing Dalek Wars after christmas, I reminded him that the date of after christmas is not confirmed yet and that going by the BBFC date of extras being put up to date of release seen in that past an october release is much more likely. He was basically having a go at 2|E for the sake of having a go.

    #101614
    Alex
    Participant

    He was basically having a go at 2|E for the sake of having a go.

    Nothing new there then…

    #101623
    pfm
    Participant

    After all the quality release no-one has any right to have a go at them. UNLESS they changed the frigging sleeve designs, the spine in particular. Then it truly would be the end of time.

    #101953
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Dalek Wars has a release date confirmed, October 5th with an RRP of ?34.99, I think Levine thought it was because of his ranting that it ot put back, it was actually put back after Torchwood had its release moved back.
    Not long till coloured Pertwee, can’t wait to see how it looks.

    #101963
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Colin’s not happy about that.

    #101661
    Ridley
    Participant

    Last Of The Time Lords is easily the worst finale of the 4 so far.

    I enjoyed it. Not the CGI Doctor and especially not the big reset button, but it’s my preferred finale.

    #102069
    redhead85
    Participant

    OMG the Master’s return in that trailer at Comic Con was made of win.

    I must admit that the latest series was my favourite so far. As much as I was disappointed to hear that Catherine Tate was going to be the new companion when the news first came out, I think she was fantastic. And the series finale was brilliant. I loved the way that the entire series built up ties throughout the episodes, interlinking everything together. Fantastic writing.

    #102082
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Wilf is going to be the new companion (wnderful idea), set reports show that Donna is still the way she was at the end of ‘Journeys End’ atleast at first.

    #102087
    pfm
    Participant

    I rewatched The Stolen Earth/Journey’s End this afternoon (as you do) and, whether it had anything to do with the fact that I had a slight hangover I don’t know, but I really didn’t enjoy 90% of it. I seem to remember it being better for some reason. I’m thinking I DO prefer Last of the Time Lords in some ways. The Sound of Drums is certainly the better first part.

    The inclusion of Torchwood and Sarah Jane is so wanky. When it cuts to SJ’s attic and she calls for Mr Smith, the line about ‘I wish you’d stop doing that fanfare’ and the reference to Maria being on holiday, all that should NOT be here in a Doctor Who episode that’s got to stand up on it’s own on DVD for years.

    I don’t have anything against Freema Agyeman (except my throbbing cock against her cheeks in my deepest REM sleep…sorry) but Martha should just…fuck off to be an all-action Blue Peter presenter or something! Ooh Daleks talking German, I wonder what ‘Exterminieren!’ means in English?? And the character, ‘German Woman’ as she is in the credits, it feels like we’re intruding on something that could have been a standalone episode in its own right. ALL of it feels like unecessary bollocks when you just want more of the Davros and Daleks story.

    The alt-Doctor – crap. Jackie and Mickey appearing out of nowhere to blast the Daleks (Jackie with a big gun??) – crap. Same with Jack appearing just after the Doctor gets blasted. Jack’s clothes being pristine even though he’s been put in a fucking incinerator, even if he did get out fast – crap. Sarah Jane and Mickey pushing and kicking Daleks around, complete with cheesy lines – crap. An entire Dalek empire wiped out with the flick of a couple of switches – crap. Rose and her ending up with the alt-Doctor – crap. The big slamming TO BE CONTINUED at the end of The Stolen Earth – utterly embarrassing.

    Of course there’s still plenty of good stuff like Catherine Tate (though she was short-changed somewhat due to RTD’s need to smear his own ejaculate all over the screen), Bernard Cribbins, the Doctor-Donna tieup, Julian Bleach as Davros, Murray Gold’s music, Harriet Jones, the idea that the human race is so fucked up it has bombs in place that will rip the entire planet apart, ‘the bees are disaPPEARING!’ the CGI shot of the Shadow Proclamation exterior (a brilliant visual slightly marred by the Tardis then arriving in a generic corridor, probably at the Millennium Stadium). Donna’s ending, though now it looks like that’s gonna change, but will she die?

    Journey’s End is an hour but it still feels like a rushed mess, or at least it did when I watched it today. I think bringing back the old characters probably worked as a cheap thrill but in retrospect it will always been seen as too much, you can count on that. It didn’t help that RTD sort of forgot who Rose and Martha were, they’re so out of character. He was bang on the money with Donna though. Ah who cares, Moffat’s series can’t get here quick enough, even though he’s only written 4 hours of watchable television in his ca…alright I know that’s bollocks, but his greatness as Who showrunner can NOT be assumed. Is all.

    #102099
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Martha wasn’t out of character. Her appearance early in series four coupled with her three episodes in Torchwood series two have shown that she sort-of grew into the role of the UNIT soldier, which seems a natural fit. She has, since the beginning of series three, always been presented as an ambitious young woman with her eye on the ball, and it would be silly for her to have lost that after she left the Doctor. On the contrary – her ambition grew to not just becoming a doctor of medicine herself, but to continuing to be involved with extra-terrestrial gubbins.

    Rose’s character seemed consistent as well, although Billie Piper’s performance did not.

    #102101
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I have to go and buy the Black Guardian Trilogy, well I don’t have to, I just want to.

    #102112
    redhead85
    Participant

    performingmonkey – A lengthy Dr Who finales review and only three wank/cock jokes. I don’t know whether I’m impressed or slightly disappointed with your restraint… :-)

    #102125
    JamesTC
    Participant

    ASDA didn’t have a Black Guardian in, grr, will have to go tomorrow for the ultra cheap set (around ?9 a story).

    #102134
    si
    Participant

    The first new Who DVD I’ve not bought in two years. I’m appalled at myself.

    #102137
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    And yet, i’ve bought no Doctor Who DVDs, and yet i feel slightly proud of this fact…

    #102142
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I find it ironic that so many of the Doctor Who fans who hated “The Stolen Earth”/”Journey’s End” still think “The Five Doctors” was the dog’s bollocks.

    #102144
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Does *anyone* think The Five Doctors is the dog’s bollocks?

    #102146
    Ridley
    Participant

    The Raston Robot is.

    #102147
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I like ‘The Five Doctors’, it is by no means a classic but it is a good story.

    #102148
    Phil1034
    Participant

    >Does *anyone* think The Five Doctors is the dog?s bollocks?

    >The Raston Robot is.

    Paul Jericho’s delivery of “No, not the mind probe” is.

    #102151
    Dave
    Participant

    >Does *anyone* think The Five Doctors is the dog?s bollocks?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRcpbj10So#t=9m49s

    #102153
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Watched the first 5 minutes, just up until Troughton and Courtney, worth the story alone just for the scenes with them, I especially love the giant UNIT sign out front, very top secret, oh and of course that legendary enemy, the terrible Zodin!!!
    I don’t know why I watched it on youtube, I could have stuck one of the 3 versions of it I have on DVD.
    I am glad Tom wasn’t involved, it would have felt too packed with him in aswell, I mean they already had to fit in so much, it is a shame that Robert Holmes didn’t write it, his idea sounded wonderful, ‘The Six Doctors’ was the name of Roberts version, he just felt he had too much to stick in so ended up writing the amazing ‘Caves of Androzani’ instead.

    #102166
    pfm
    Participant

    > performingmonkey – A lengthy Dr Who finales review and only three wank/cock jokes. I don?t know whether I?m impressed or slightly disappointed with your restraint? :-)

    I’m just an immature idiot is all. It probably is time for a slight tonal shift. Or perhaps an Emergency Temporal Shift.

    #102179
    si
    Participant

    I like The Five Doctors, but not a classic. The best ‘multi-Doctor’ story by a country mile is TimeCrash. Otherwise, it’s probably The Three Doctors.

    #102182
    JamesTC
    Participant

    ‘Timecrash’? Bah. it is hardly a story, a scene it is. It is a nice little scene but I don’t hold it anywhere near the other multi-Doctor stories.
    ‘Zagreus’ is probably the best multi-Doctor story although ‘Jubilee’ could be counted as a multi-Doctor story as that has two Sixth Doctors, if it could be counted as a multi-Doctor story then ‘Jubilee’ is the best one.
    ‘The Two Doctors’ was a lovely story, filled with dark humour and poor Sontaran costumes as well as a Sontaran leg. If anything it deserves the title of a classic just because it reunites Troughton and Hines, oh and because it has the Sixth Doctor trying to eat a cat, oh and Peri in a very small bikini.
    ‘The Three Doctors’ was a nice story, I mean you can’t go wrong with the cast, Pertwee, Troughton and Courtney all in a room together, while the plot is a little lacking it is really just device to get the Doctors together, this story also introduces the wonderful villain Omega who goes on to be in two further great stories (yes I do enjoy ‘Acr of Infinity’).

    #102185
    Alex
    Participant

    Wow, love for Zagreus? That’s rare. Don’t get me wrong, I actually quite enjoy it amd think theres a lot of good ideas in it, but there is a lot of hate for it about.

    #102187
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I just loved Paul McGann as the bad guy, and then Lalla Ward as the bad guy! It was very long, I would go so far as to say too long with the lead up story ‘Neverland’ on it too but it was still a brilliant story, so fun catching each refrence, oh and it had 4 out of my 5 favourite Doctor appear, 3,6,7 and 8, all that was missing was Troughton, saying that the Pertwee appearance was quite bad, you could hardly hear him or understand him, the audio on Devious was quite good on ‘The War Games’ DVD so I wonder why this was so poor on here.

    #102189
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    ?Zagreus? is probably the best multi-Doctor story although ?Jubilee? could be counted as a multi-Doctor story as that has two Sixth Doctors, if it could be counted as a multi-Doctor story then ?Jubilee? is the best one.

    I’ve never seen either of those, what series were they in?

    #102193
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Season 23b and Season 26b or c or whatever. In short they were audios.

    #102198
    Alex
    Participant

    Well as I say I like Zagreus. It probably helps that it was the second Big Finish audio I heard after Master and despite not having a god grasp of what was going on at points (having not heard any of the Charlie arc before) I fond it a fun one with enough plot twists to keep it interesting and of course not going for the normal multi-doctor format. I think a lot of the dislike for it does indeed probably come from the wait in the lead up to it as the gap after Neverland was quite large. That said some of the plot points, especially those concerning the great vampires and rRassilon no doubt led to a bit more dislike for it in the same way The Deadly Assassin was originally criticised on much the same point of challenging the preconceptions of the shows history.

    And yes Jubilee is very good as well, always fun to hear Martin Jarvis hamming it up. For those unfamiliar it was used as the basis for ‘Dalek’ in 2005. To my mind, Big Finish has produced some of the finest Doctor Who stories written. Though I?m far from having listened to the whole catalogue with about 30-40 of the main range missing, here are some of my other favorites:

    Spare Parts
    Master
    Davros
    Project Twilight
    The Condemned
    Human Resources
    The One Doctor
    The Chimes Of Midnight
    The Kingmaker
    Red
    Medicinal Purposes
    And the whole of the ?I, Davros? and ?Galifrey? Series.

    #102199
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >In short they were audios.

    I know, I’m just taking the piss out of referring to audio stories in exactly the same context as TV stories, when due to the BBC’s own charter, they actually can’t ever be declared in any way canonical, and thus should be distinguished and kept separate when discussing TV stories.

    But you knew that ;-)

    #102200
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >I know, I?m just taking the piss out of referring to audio stories in exactly the same context as TV stories, when due to the BBC?s own charter, they actually can?t ever be declared in any way canonical, and thus should be distinguished and kept separate when discussing TV stories.

    BBC Worldwide announced in 1999 that the audios were canon, of course no Who was on TV at the time so it didn’t really matter.
    I talk of the audios in the same manner as the TV shows because really they are just as good if not better, the restrictions of the format bring out the best in the writers.

    >And yes Jubilee is very good as well, always fun to hear Martin Jarvis hamming it up.

    I’d go so far as to say it is the best audio, the best Dalek story too, only ‘The Tomb of the Cybermen’ is higher in my estimation than ‘Jubilee’.

    >For those unfamiliar it was used as the basis for ?Dalek? in 2005.

    Also RTD must have been a real fan of the story because he used “Jubilee” as the name of the pizza place in Torchwood, I think a pizza box with it on also appeared in ‘Dalek’.

    >Though I?m far from having listened to the whole catalogue with about 30-40 of the main range missing

    I think I have heard about 50 of them and i haven’t heard any rescent stories though I might sign up for a subscription to the Colin Baker line of stories coming soon, The Lost Stories.

    #102203
    Alex
    Participant

    The last year or two has seen a drastic improvement in the quality of the line. Definatlly worth trying the Sixth Doctor and Charlie stories. The idea of having her go and join up with a previous incarnation of the Doctor and trying to conceal this fact from him has made for a very good dymanic, and when this is put against the writting of Eddie Robson we ended up seeing 2 of the best audios in a long time; The Condemned and The Raincloud Man. Well worth a look.

    #102204
    JamesTC
    Participant

    The Paul McGann Season 2 that was broadcast on BBC7 a while back was quite poor, ‘Dead London’ was good though. I have heard that the quality started to drop in about 2006. Then again I have heard that the Charlie/Sixth Doctor story is very good too, I will eventually get round to them.

    #102205
    Alex
    Participant

    Paul’s seasons are a mixed bag, much more than the main line which personally I prefer.

    #102254
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Finally bought thhe Black Guardian trilogy, ‘Mawdryn Undead’ is a lovely little story, now it is onto ‘Terminus’.

    #102287
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Aparently the Sea Devils will be returning for the opening episode for Matt Smith, if this is true I may explode, love the Sea Devils.

    #102290
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Yeah, some nice stories floating around Gallifrey Base about possible plotlines. Two ideas that I like (both of which sound quite Moffatey) :

    1. At the beginning of episode one, a damaged TARDIS crashes in a young Amy’s garden. The Doctor gets out, apologises, says he’ll be back in a minute, and next shows up fifteen years later. A bit Girl In The Fireplace, so may not be true, but a nice way to meet the new companion.

    2. Episode two is essentially “Inside the Spaceship” mark two : the self-induced reconstruction of the TARDIS causes it to free some monsters the Doctor had locked up in it centuries before, and the entire thing is a scary “Blink”-esque adventure that never leaves the TARDIS.

    Could all be bollocks, of course, but still.

    #102291
    pfm
    Participant

    Episode 1 should be set in Edinburgh, early 1800s. Amy Pond’s brother (not father because we’ve had enough daddy issues) is being wrongly (or so Amy thinks) held in the Castle prisons. We see her and her friend (who’s her brother’s girlfriend/wife/whore) trying to break the prisoners out, which is where they bump into the Doctor, who’s posing as a guard.

    The Doctor confirms the rumours of prisoners disappearing one by one at the stroke of midnight. He has to quickly lock the girls in a cell before the other guards notice them. He promises he’ll be back for them before midnight. We stick with Amy’s pov and don’t see what the Doctor is up to, a little bit like in Rose.

    Amy hears midnight being tolled. At the stroke of twelve she turns around and her friend has disappeared, she screams then screams louder when a hand grips her shoulder ‘Sorry, I got held up. Literally…’ the Doctor says, rubbing his wrists with a quick grin. ‘Now,’ he continues, putting on a voice he obviously feels is full of concern, ‘listen, Red, everything’s going to be all right.’ He’s now dressed in his normal professor-like garb, complete with dickie bow. ‘Excuse me…?’ Amy says. ‘How can it be “all right”? Jean just…vanished!’ ‘Er, I’m the Doctor, that’s what I’m supposed to say to people. I think… To be honest, these days it’s pot luck what this (points to his mouth) comes out with.’ Suddenly he doubles over in real pain, a little ball of pulsating white light emerging from his mouth and spinning round his head before speeding through the bars to freedom. ‘Yep, everything’s gonna be all right,’ he says, dusting himself down. ‘Ooh, I’d better stop saying that. D’you know what, Red, I’ve totally HAD IT with catchphrases!’ Er, and so on.

    #102295
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I doubt from what she is wearing in filming that Amy is from the 1800s.

    #102316
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    They shouldn’t do it in series 5 (with Karen who is rather lovely) but I think it would be a great idea if they made a big hoo-hah about a new (main) companion and then killed them off after four episodes in a standalone, non-event episode. It would be a great way of fucking with the audience and leaving them guessing.

    #102317
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Like that woman in ‘The Dalek Masterplan’ who didn’t really work out so they killed her half way through the story despite only being in one story before.

    #102319
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >I doubt from what she is wearing in filming that Amy is from the 1800s.

    … although of course what she wears after starting to travel to different time periods need not necessarily be what she’s wearing when she first meets the Doctor. Remember that the only ep that’s been seen filming so far very firmly isn’t the first one…

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