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  • #102320
    JamesTC
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    Well yeh, I think the episode filming now is episode 4 or 5 but still I can’t see a girl from the 1800s wearing THAT, though Jaime did wear a watch.

    #102327
    pfm
    Participant

    I hope Moffat does include a cheeky Jamie reference. The fact that she’s called Amy (which sounds similar to Jamie, didn’t you know) could lead to some kind of line. There could be a running gag where he keeps calling her Jamie.

    #102334
    si
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    > a new (main) companion and then killed them off after four episodes

    Like when they finally put Amber Benson (Tara) in the opening titles of Buffy after a year and a half, only to kill her off immediately. Brilliant.

    #102336
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Yup. I didn’t realise there’d done this in the original series (SO’s example), but things are a little different now. The companion seems to be at an almost equal footing with the Doctor and there’s quite a bit of publicity surrounding the announcement of the new ones.

    I was watching The Impossible Planet/ Satan Pit two parter yesterday and it reminded me of when I watched it the first time. On initial viewing, I enjoyed the hell out of it (easily one of the best stories) but I just “knew” that Billie would be OK because we were only 2/3 of the way through the season. While a mid-season regeneration would be a horrible idea, killing a companion in throwaway fashion would give an “all bets are off” vibe to the series.

    #102344
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >While a mid-season regeneration would be a horrible idea, killing a companion in throwaway fashion would give an ?all bets are off? vibe to the series.

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    *Spoilers for the classic series*
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    Much like Season 23 with Peri, though really that was dis-counted in part 14 of the story thanks to Colin (who openly admits his mistake) saying he didn’t think Peri should die, despite her being my favourite companion I still think if her end was kept that way it would be so much more brave and hard hitting, still it doesn’t detract from how good ‘Trial of a Time Lord’ parts 5-8 are which are my favourite episodes of the season, it was just so twisted and dark, you just didn’t know if the Doctor was the good guy or the bad guy and then you have the edge of seat moment of the Doctor being pulled back into the TARDIS to go to the court just as he is about to save Peri.

    #102356
    pfm
    Participant

    > Like when they finally put Amber Benson (Tara) in the opening titles

    Oh you’ve gone and done it now, mentioning Amber…



    #102504
    Michael Warren
    Participant

    http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2009/08/news-from-dwm-412.html

    The End of Time then. 2 hours and 15 minutes in total.

    Anyone else thing “The Narrator” might be his actual name? Like The Doctor, and The Master…

    #102507
    Ben Paddon
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    He must be a riot at parties.

    “Leonard walked over to the to the buffet and assessed the selection of sandwiches, meat pastry snacks, and dips. He sighed the sigh of a man who…”

    “Will you knock that off? Please? For five minutes?”

    “But my name is–“

    “Yeah, I don’t care what your bloody name is, pal. You’ve been doing that since you stood next to me in the men’s lav. It was annoying then and it’s annoying now.”

    “Leonard’s brow furrowed, his teeth and fists clenching in unison. Enraged, he stormed up to the maOW OH CHRISTING FUCK THAT HURT.

    “Twat. And for the record, I was not staring at my dick ‘with the glassy-eyed sorrow of a man who wished he had more to offer.'”

    #102509
    JamesTC
    Participant

    The Narrator? Oh that is not good. I’d prefer him to be called Omega =)

    #102510
    JamesTC
    Participant

    According to DWM Colin Baker will gain a new companion in the BFA series next year, I say new, I mean old, Frazer Hines will reprise his role as Jaime to be his companion for the trilogy of audios in april. Shame I can’t afford much at the moment, I can barely get the DVDs!

    #102514
    Alex
    Participant

    Fraiser eh? Well that could certainly be interestting. In many ways though i’ll be sad to see Charley go, her time with Colin has been very enjoyable.

    #102558
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Hot off the press news here, the next Troughton up for release on DVD in early 2010 is ‘The Dominators’, keep it under your hats.

    #102618
    Dave
    Participant

    Well it was fifty fifty.

    #102742
    si
    Participant

    Okay, a possible spoiler re the new TARDIS interior, from the io9.com website:

    A poster at Gallifrey Base claims to have gotten a good look inside the new TARDIS set, which we’ll see in 2010. Supposedly, the interior of the TARDIS will have two different levels, joined by a spiral staircase, and we’ll be seeing a console room, a lab area, a sitting room, a long corridor, and “numerous other little nooks and crannies.” The set is designed to be modular, so that pieces of the set can be moved around and double as other parts of the ship, when we visit other rooms inside the TARDIS.

    The console room itself is a shaped like a hexagon attached to a square rather than being circular, the color theme is mostly silver and gold, and the coral finish has been replaced with marble. The roundels decorating the walls are now inverted hemispheres, and while they appear throughout the set, they do not appear on every wall. The roundels have different color schemes for each room: gold in the console room, silver, gray, and blue in the lab, and brown in the sitting room.

    You should, of course, take this with several truckloads of grains of salt. [Gallifrey Base, Thanks Bluehinter!]

    Should this be the case, should be interesting to look at.

    #102745
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Might as well C&P the full description, since io9 have rewritten it for reasons known only to themselves ;-)

    “Hi all,

    I used to post at OG a little, but decided to move on when it closed.
    However I had to come here to post this as I don’t believe there’s
    been any concrete news on the new TARDIS set as yet? My friend works
    for a company who the BBC outsource a lot of their back office work
    to, he and a few others were today given a tour of BBC facilities in
    Wales which included a peek at the new set. He’s generously allowed me
    to post his email to me, obviously any names/ sensitive specifics will
    be altered!!

    Had “the tour” today, managed to get a few photos but they’re not the
    best as we were under pretty close scrutiny as you can imagine – we
    all had to hand camera phones etc on the way in.

    The set is on 2 levels, joined by a spiral staircase, but is not as
    big as I’d thought. It’s apparently finished though sections of it
    seem to be missing at present. We saw the console room, a lab area, a
    sort of sitting room area, a fairly long section of corridor leading
    nowhere and numerous other little nooks and crannies. The console room
    reminds me of a new and shiny version of the old one, except the
    roundels are very simple and basic looking, simply spherical dents in
    the walls.

    These new style roundels are featured throughout the whole set, though
    not on every wall. Back to the console room – mainly golds and silvers
    and the coral theme has been replaced with a smooth marble like
    finish. Also the room is not circular, it’s a kind of
    hexagon-joined-to-a-square shape, the hexagon bit containing the
    console, which to me looked like the same console they’ve used
    throughout the series except with new buttons and blinky lights,
    though apparently it’s entirely new. Your beloved hatstand was still
    there but no sign of the interior doors, also there was no ceiling to
    the set – could be that these bits are meant to be there but were
    missing from the set for some reason I suppose.

    Apparently the whole set has been designed in a modular way, so things
    can be moved and double as other parts of the ship. The roundels are
    different colours in each area, gold for the console room,
    silver/grey/blue in the lab, brown in the sitting room. The roundels
    can be removed/swapped out or even turned around completely to be
    convex rather than concave, in order to become a different area. I’ll
    forward some photos and more info shortly…”

    The fact that they seem to be putting so much effort into making the interior bigger certainly supports the rumours that there will be at least one episode set largely inside the TARDIS.

    Meanwhile, Matt Smith is apparently at this moment fighting Daleks (new colour scheme, apparently) on top of a building in Cardiff.

    #102746
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Oh, also – if the rumoured plot of the Dalek episode isn’t true, it bloody SHOULD be.

    #102749
    si
    Participant

    And this ‘new’ Dalek colour scheme is Grey/Black, apparently…

    #102754
    pfm
    Participant

    Yeah the episode does sound good, at least it’s different, but I really wish they weren’t back so soon. Hopefully it’s just the one Dalek.

    #102756
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    What rumoured Dalek plot? Where can I read it?

    #102757
    pfm
    Participant

    Well it could be similar to or an adaptation of the Dalek Project graphic novel, which was actually pulled, most likely for this reason. Though a short description of it was released – set in 1917, an arms manufacture reveals a ‘new secret weapon’ that he ensures will win the British the Great War. The Doctor is there at the demo and lo and behold it’s a Dalek, which the guy claims he invented.

    The episode being shot seems to be WW2-based, perhaps suggesting that Mark Gatiss’s Nazi episode has been merged with the graphic novel’s storyline. Who knows? We certainly don’t, yet.

    #102759
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Apparently it is a Mark Gatiss story.

    #102763
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    YES.

    #102767
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Some seem to think Rob Shearman is writing this Dalek story, frankly if they get Rob to write a story for Series 1 I will be over the moon, best Who writer since Robert Holmes.

    #102775
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    It’s series 5, for fucking fuck’s sake.

    #102777
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Or 31.

    #102778
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Or series 2010.

    #102779
    JamesTC
    Participant

    It is Series 1. It is being produced as Series 1. It is being promoted as Series 1.

    #102780
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > It is Series 1. It is being produced as Series 1. It is being promoted as Series 1.

    Yes, and it’s a fucking ridiculous idea.

    #102785
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    …What?

    #102788
    TheLeen
    Participant

    I don’t have to post anything anywhere anymore. Ben does all the work for me!

    #102789
    JamesTC
    Participant

    According to set reports the Daleks now make the tea. Nick Briggs was seen on set too so that is a confirmation of his return.

    #102802
    JamesTC
    Participant

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/alun_vega/3865648374/

    And that IS real, it was posted by someone who also posted some pictures and set reports.

    All together now, Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…

    *makes cup of tea*

    …aaaaleks.

    #102803
    ChrisM
    Participant

    “I am the Doctor and you are the Daleks.”

    Oh dear.

    #102805
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Love that line. Less sure about the voice. It’s… different. At least you can say that. Playful, not really what I expected.

    We’re currently watching Tomb of the Cybermen, and I’m basically expecting Smith to be playing Troughton. He sounds a lot younger than I’d anticipated, there.

    #102806
    JamesTC
    Participant

    ‘The Tomb of the Cybermen’ = Best Doctor Who story ever.

    #102807
    Dave
    Participant

    >ever.

    Matt Smith fails before he’s even started.

    #102808
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I generally only consider everything up to the present as “ever”. If I say “I will own everything in the world” it doesn’t include things in the future! So nyeh!

    #102811
    pfm
    Participant

    Matt Smith is crap, he sounds like a child pretending to do a scene from Doctor Who, he can’t pronounce the words ‘The Doctor’ or ‘Daleks’ in a way that pleases, oh no, help us, we’re all going to die, 2012 can’t come soon enough, that’s when we learn the alien truth and we won’t need to mess around with this poncy ‘drama’ about some stupid-haired wanker poncing around saving the Cardiff suburbs from jumped-up extras in shopping trolleys with plungers and a few bulbs attached to them, we will be LIVING IT!! Well, apart from the Cardiff suburbs bit, unless you live there, in which case get a flat near the Bay you effing loser.

    Goodnight.

    #102812
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Apart from the fact that the guy filming was underneath them in an elevator (I think) and it was done on a phone well that line of Matt’s was out of context, infact it would be a very good line thinking about what was said previously about the Daleks, offering people tea, if a Dalek comes up to him and says “Would you like tea” ofcourse he is going to go crazy and shout “I am the Doctor and you are the Daaaaaaaaaaleks” because he is just so confused as to why it wants to give him a cuppa.

    #102813
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    There’s a wonderful lilt in Matt Smith’s voice that somehow puts in mind of both Peter Davison and Colin Baker at the same time.

    #102814
    pfm
    Participant

    I like the suggestion that when he’s saying ‘Daaaaaaaaleks’ he’s writing it out on a board, like how a teacher would. The idea that the Daleks don’t know who they are is good.

    #102831
    Jo
    Participant

    If the Daleks didn’t know who they were you wouldn’t remind them though surely? ;o)

    I am not encouraged by that sound clip. Matt Smith sounds awful… :oS

    #102832
    JamesTC
    Participant
    #102845
    pfm
    Participant

    > Matt Smith sounds awful

    10 points from Gryffindor. Or Slytherin. Yep, probably Slytherin.

    #102848
    Andrew
    Participant

    > If the Daleks didn?t know who they were you wouldn?t remind them though surely? ;o)

    To me it’s a heartening, Doctor-y thing to be doing, actually. To be so affronted by manipulation, brainwashing, enslavement (or whatever) that – even when it’s the Daleks – he wants it put right. And he starts by stating the case VERY LOUDLY.

    I really, really hate these clips, though. It feels, I dunno…disrespectful to be grabbing them and posting them like this.

    #102882
    JamesTC
    Participant

    > It is Series 1. It is being produced as Series 1. It is being promoted as Series 1.

    >Yes, and it?s a fucking ridiculous idea.

    I was talking about this on Gallifrey Base, I actually see it as a good idea, I posted this on the matter –

    If anything I think calling it Series One is a good idea, many people would see Series 5 and think “Hey, so I will have to go back and watch Series 1 first” when it is just not true, it is why they didn’t call the 2005 series Season 27, if somebody saw Season 27 they would just be confused, if they see Series 1 they think they are watching it from the start and the people who really care know it is not the start but a continuation. Simple.

    #102883
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    That idea would work if there were a 16-year gap between the Christmas specials and the start of the new series.

    #102884
    JamesTC
    Participant

    If a person looks at the 2010 series and it is Series 5 they will think they need to watch the previous 4 when that just isn’t true, in a world of shows with ongoing stories and arcs it is hard to go into many shows with Series 5, calling it Series One makes it easier for both the new production team and people who arn’t into the show.

    #102886
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    If that were the case, every TV show would do that when it changes hands.

    #102891
    pfm
    Participant

    The thing is, Moffat said his episode 1 follows immediately on from the end of the last special. If he had left a huge gap with unseen 11th Doctor adventures (as there were presumably unseen 9th Doctor adventures, regardless of him ‘noticing’ his appearance in the mirror in Rose) then maybe ‘series 1’ could be justified to some degree.

    It’s utter bollocks, that’s what it is. Or, as I suggested on GB, maybe Moffat is such a stubborn fanboy that he wants to make a mockery of the whole series labelling thing just because they won’t let him call it ‘series 31’. Can you imagined if they changed it to that now? The DVD set with Matt Smith, ‘Mummy I want series 31! I’ve already got series 4 AND the Specials Blu-ray boxset, but I haven’t got The Next Doctor because they didn’t put it on it, because it wasn’t shot in HD, so I want that too, on DVD, so pick them up after you finish work, you mingebag!’ I would have to say.

    #102892
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Why would you call it Series 31? Maybe Season 31 but not Series 31.

    #102903
    Dave
    Participant

    >so pick them up after you finish work, you mingebag!?

    Adorable.

    #102908
    Phil1034
    Participant

    I know what season it is and I’m the only person who matters.

    #102906
    Dave
    Participant

    >I know what season it is and I?m the only person who matters.

    It’s Summer.

    #102909
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Letting it start go on as “series 1” at this point makes sense only if the title is changed from “Doctor Who” to something else.

    Otherwise there will be two “Doctor Who Series 1” on amazon, and people will end up buying the worng one for their grandchildren on christmas, and everyone will be pissed off.

    #102911
    JamesTC
    Participant

    One will be Series 1, the other will be Series One.

    #102914
    Dave
    Participant

    >One will be Series 1, the other will be Series One.

    One will be six of one, the other will be half a dozen.

    #102916
    pfm
    Participant

    > Otherwise there will be two ?Doctor Who Series 1? on amazon

    Maybe ‘Steven Moffat’s Proper Doctor Who Funshow – Series 1’.

    > Adorable.

    That was a Big Brother Marcus reference. If I called my own mother a ‘mingebag’ it would probably be that last thing I ever said.

    #102986
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Anyone getting ‘The Twin Dilemma’ which is released monday? Bloody awful episode, one of the worst, down there with ‘Time and the Rani’. Still a Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant commetary always proved to delight. The comic strip bonus feature and the archive material look really good as well as a shiney new restoration along with the info subtitles which will prove a good distraction to the 90% of the story which is utter crap.

    Wooh, I don’t do that much, have a go at a Colin Baker story!

    #102987
    TheLeen
    Participant

    I thought about it some more and the series one / series 1 thing still bothers me.

    There are a number of loose ends from RTD’s Who (the Doctor’s “daughter”, Master’s ring, River Song, etc.), one of which Moffat already said he was going to tie up or continue (River Song, yes?) so it isn’t going to be a new show. I’m still hoping for all other loose ends to be tied up as well, eventually. Remember, the continuity bits throughout the first Who episodes were what made me a fan in the first place.

    In short – the more I think about it, the less I get it.

    #102988
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >There are a number of loose ends from RTD?s Who (the Doctor?s ?daughter?, Master?s ring, River Song, etc.)

    I don’t really think Jenny is a loose end, it was actually changed at last minute when Moffat said they shouldn’t kill her, I doubt it is because he wants to use her (though would like to be proved wrong) more because it would be a bit evil to give the Doctor a daughter and then kill her in 45 minutes. The regeneration end was much more satisfying anyway (though that isn’t a popular opinion).
    With the Master’s ring well I wouldn’t consider that a loose end, the Master dies loads of times and then returns with no explanation, I think the ring is just a way to give any future scipts an easy way to bring him back, I mean just look at ‘Planet of Fire’, the Master dies at the end, then in ‘Mark of the Rani’ he is happily alive dressed as a scarecrow for no reason, then at the end of ‘Mark of the Rani’ he is stuck in the Rani’s TARDIS with a growing dinosaur, next story he returns with no explanation, then in ‘Survival’ he is stuck on the Cheetah planet after the Doctor is transported from it, then in ‘The TV Movie’ he is alive with no reason.

    The only real loose ends I can think of are stuff like the American president being killed by an alien infront of the entire world, but that got brushed under the carpet it seems.

    This change into Series One doesn’t instantly mean it is a new show, I mean when the 2005 series started we instantly knew it was the same show as it was in 1989 or 1996 with sly hints and returning aliens, it just means it is the same show with some changes. I don’t see a reason to get aggravated over numbers, what they call it officially is what I will call it.

    #102989

    The Doctor has a daughter out there. That’s too juicy a loose end for Moffat not to want to deal with. Georgia Moffat is too juicy a loose end, at any rate. It would be very interesting to see how Georgia acted with Matt Smith, who looks almost the same age as her and yet is playing her dad. Tennant was just old enough for it to work last time. I wonder if she calls him ‘Daddy’ in real life. Or, perhaps more disturbingly, ‘Doctor’. Her dad WAS the 5th Doctor after all.

    #102990
    JamesTC
    Participant

    He has a grand daughter out there too. They haven’t felt the need to bring that up since 1964!

    #102991
    Dave
    Participant

    >stuff like the American president being killed by an alien infront of the entire world, but that got brushed under the carpet it seems.

    It was a bit, wasn’t it? Not just an alien, the British PM no less!

    >He has a grand daughter out there too. They haven?t felt the need to bring that up since 1964!

    She’s in The Five Doctors (1983) & Dimensions In Time (1993), and the Doctor being a grandfather is alluded to in The Empty Child (2005).

    #102994
    Andrew
    Participant

    Plus there’s a huge difference between the various creative teams. There is no “they” when it comes to this stuff. Not sure a ‘bring him back and don’t bother to explain’ policy will hold for New Who era content.

    #102995
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >>He has a grand daughter out there too. They haven?t felt the need to bring that up since 1964!

    >She?s in The Five Doctors (1983) & Dimensions In Time (1993), and the Doctor being a grandfather is alluded to in The Empty Child (2005).

    Ahh, I forgot about ‘The Five Doctors’, I guess it was because she was still with the first Doctor, I didn’t mention ‘Dimensions in Time’ because it is a load of rubbish which is thankfully non-canon, Ace arrives to see the Sixth Doctor, “You’re not the Doctor”, “Yes I am”, *shrug*.

    #102998
    TheLeen
    Participant

    She’s not his daughter. She’s his (female) clone. Why would she call him “Daddy”?? Just because the episode was given a catchy title begging for attention? MEH.

    In any case, she’s a renegade (!) Gallifreyan (!!) with an attitude (!). As rubbish as the episode was – how could this NOT be addressed?

    #102999
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Spinoff show. Moffat’s Torchwood. Just you watch.

    Incidentally, does anyone object if I thread-split again?

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