Doctor Who – Series 5 – Broadcast Discussion (NO SPOILERS)

[Jonathan Capps]

As the old thread is getting dangerously close to paginating and we’re now into the broadcast of series 5, let’s start afresh.

I think the best rules for this thread would be to ban all known spoilers for future episodes and keep it to discussion of episodes that have already aired in the UK, information released through official channels and good old fashioned speculation.

So, GO.

Topic

[Ben Paddon]

You’ve asked two questions there. The first question could be answered quite simply with the “Forget” button. The second is inconsequential and doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

Got any more questions?

[Pete Part Three]

>You’ve asked two questions there.

Nope.

>The first question could be answered quite simply with the “Forget” button.

Which is lovely. Unfortunately Liz 10 believes she’s been serving for just ten years. And a 15 year old would know that’s not true…because they’ve never forgotten.

>The second is inconsequential and doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

So inconsequential that it doesn’t exist. My criticism about the smilers wasn’t a question.

>Got any more questions?

Just the one but you don’t want to hear it.

[ori-STUDFARM]

>Got any more questions?

Does anybody want any toast?….How about a muffin?

[Ben Paddon]

> Which is lovely. Unfortunately Liz 10 believes she’s been serving for just ten years. And a 15 year old would know that’s not true…because they’ve never forgotten.

You assume that when British citizens press the “forget” button that it only erases the twenty-minute film they just saw. Granted that’s a bit of a stretch. Alternatively the public know that Liz 10 had her aging pretty much brought to a halt and the only person who doesn’t know is Liz 10. Either way it never particularly bothered me.

> So inconsequential that it doesn’t exist. My criticism about the smilers wasn’t a question.

Actually what you’ve done there, haha, is prove my point. You said, “the more you think about it, the more questions it poses.” I answered two questions (actually one question, but that’s what not paying attention and operating on only a couple of hours’ worth of sleep will do to you). Then I asked fro more questions, and you apparently haven’t got any.

I’ve seen other questions asked elsewhere, but all of the questions I’ve seen were answered in the show itself. This leads me to believe two things.

1.) Doctor Who fans aren’t very observant, and
2.) 45 minutes isn’t really enough time to do this idea justice.

In any case, I’ll be writing a proper review of this episode later for URP!, so I’ll save further commentary on the episode for that.

[Tarka Dal]

> Which is lovely. Unfortunately Liz 10 believes she’s been serving for just ten years. And a 15 year old would know that’s not true…because they’ve never forgotten.

Can you point out where this actually generates a conflict within the established universe? A moment whereby the queen screams out to her public “Ere Guv, ‘ow long ave I been on the throne?” and a child would have the opportunity to question the established facts about what occured prior to their 5th birthday?

Exactly how many memories do you recall prior to your 5th birthday, prior to your 10th? Alternatively exactly how much opportunity would children within a ‘police state’ get to challenge such things, especially when you take into account that the entire adult population would be convinced otherwise.

> There’s little point in having any kind of discussion if someone says “X hasn’t made sense for the last 40 years, so why should Y in this episode?”

I made those remarks simply because it’s a conversation that gets repeated after every episode. Not usually because an episode is poorly written, but because each episode is fiction over faction and will always leak the odd plothole in order to give way to a stronger overall story.

To say the episode “Didn’t make any sense” or to imply that Moffat is as unsatisfying as RTD when it comes to tieing up loose-ends just doesn’t appear to be an opinion that’s going to get too much support or sympathy.

I appreciate that it’s frustrating when your enjoyment of a show is ruined by such issues and equally it’s frustrating when everyone seems blind to their importance, but you hardly help yourself by demonstrating a shitty attitude to anyone who dares disagree with you.

[Pete Part Three]

>Actually what you’ve done there, haha, is prove my point. You said, “the more you think about it, the more questions it poses.” I answered two questions (actually one question, but that’s what not paying attention and operating on only a couple of hours’ worth of sleep will do to you). Then I asked fro more questions, and you apparently haven’t got any.

Run that by me again…? There, that was almost a question.

>45 minutes isn’t really enough time to do this idea justice.

Who’s fault is that? BBC Schedulers or…(whisper) Steven Moffat?

>Can you point out where this actually generates a conflict within the established universe? A moment whereby the queen screams out to her public “Ere Guv, ‘ow long ave I been on the throne?” and a child would have the opportunity to question the established facts about what occured prior to their 5th birthday?

Ok, you DID ask;

During the events of this episode, Liz 10 has been investigating for ten years (irrespective of the fact that she’s investigated and found out the truth numerous times before), and she hasn’t even found out during her current investigation how long she’s been on the throne for?

The Queen wakes up in a chair in, for argument’s sake, 2500. As far as she knows, she’s just had her coronation.

Unfortunately, there’s people who will have almost another 5 years knowing that she’s actually been in the throne since, at least, 2499. Then the 15 year old pops up and says he doesn’t remember a monarch before Liz 10. Does anyone?

People in “the UK” wouldn’t forget at the same time as they’re all visiting the booths at different times (or not at all, in the case of the people below 16) so they’d always be a confusion about when the coronation actually took place. How do history books work if the monarch has no idea what year it is or the public are constantly having bits of their memories erased? How bad are Liz’s investigation skills if it’s taken her 10 years to get this far?

>To say the episode “Didn’t make any sense” or to imply that Moffat is as unsatisfying as RTD when it comes to tieing up loose-ends just doesn’t appear to be an opinion that’s going to get too much support or sympathy.

Neither is saying “Moffat had an off-day”, evidently. Blasphemy. Maybe I should pay more attention to the “Written by” credit, before daring to state an opinion. I ripped into RTD whenever he wrote a turkey, but I was also happy to sing his praises when he produced something wonderful (Midnight, being one shining example).

I wasn’t actually asking for support, and I certainly wasn’t asking for sympathy. I merely gave an opinion. Ben said I was wrong. You said I was watching the wrong show. Plenty of people dismissed my plotholes and claimed I was wrong. I’m merely elaborating on that. It wouldn’t be an issue, if this episode didn’t have such huge scope. Unfortunately, it’s built on huge ideas and they invite inspection.

To repeat; Blink’s a fucking masterpiece, The Girl in the Fireplace is brilliant. This isn’t. Not sure how this can even be 4/5 when compared to those episodes.

>But you hardly help yourself by demonstrating a shitty attitude to anyone who dares disagree with you.

Lose Karl. Thanks.

Is that more polite?

[pfm]

> To repeat; Blink’s a fucking masterpiece, The Girl in the Fireplace is brilliant. This isn’t. Not sure how this can even be 4/5 when compared to those episodes.

Because you’re not really supposed to be comparing TBB to Blink and TGITFP, that’s why. TBB is the first proper adventure for the new Doctor and companion, Amy’s first journey in the Tardis and the chance for her to prove herself, and we’re still getting to grips with Matt’s Doctor (with ease, it must be said). You just can’t have episodes with as much depth as TGITFP and Blink when you’re so soon into a new setup like this.

Come back when it’s the Angels 2-parter.

Btw is this the most disturbing Who-related clip on youtube…?

‘My name is Rolex. I will take you to meet the Lord of the Eternal Time Watch – Sekonda…’ Rotf,,,

[mark100000]

If thats the sort of descision making moffat is giving amy I would like to see what happens when she makes the wrong descision!

ON THE WHOLE (not breaking it down into tiny pieces!) i though it was a nice episode, it was a good continuation on the ‘letting us meet the new characters’

[Pete Part Three]

>Because you’re not really supposed to be comparing TBB to Blink and TGITFP, that’s why.

Just wanted to remind you that in the past I’ve loved Moffat’s writing, and I wasn’t underwhelmed by this just because it was him writing it. I’m not sure why you can’t compare ANY two episodes, but if it helps, I’ll say that Gridlock was much better.

[pfm]

> I’ll say that Gridlock was much better.

And you’d be wrong.

[Pete Part Three]

Jolly good. I’m looking forward to being told my opinions are somehow wrong for the next 11 weeks.

[pfm]

> I’m looking forward to being told my opinions are somehow wrong for the next 11 weeks.

Well you’ll be wrong to do so.

[Jonathan Capps]

What a bunch of pricks.

[Ben Paddon]

Ah’ve jost cacked me pants.

[TheLeen]

I’m away, I’ll watch it Monday after work. Now no one say anything on twitter. No? Ah, ok.

[hummingbird]

WWII, Daleks and Gatiss, tonight – how can it fail?
That was rhetorical, btw.

Plus the remake of The Prisoner. It’s going to be an interesting night.

[ori-STUDFARM]

Dint like it!

[Carlito]

> But there’s someone else (non-Who) that he strongly reminds me of.
It’ll come to me eventually.

For some reason he’s started to remind me of Chris Morris.

[ChrisM]

I largely liked it but there were a couple of rather duff points. I went through a list/review thing describing my thoughts… then noticed this is a spoiler free thread. Silly me. Cool I just noticed before posting.

[Carlito]

Surely it’s not a spoiler once its aired?

[pfm]

> Dint like it!

Same. What a bag of wank! I can live with the new Dalek design, though they were wasted with nothing to do (we can only hope we get Moffat-penned Daleks at some point). Cringeworthy performance of Churchill by Ian McNeice, and for what reason did he even need to be in the episode?? Compared with Dickens’s appearance (also penned by Gatiss) it was pointless. The worst ‘historical celebrity’ yet.

Amy not knowing the Daleks is great but Gatiss made zero use of that fact in the episode. Her lack of knowledge of them should have ended up putting herself and/or the Doctor in danger somehow. Also, considering she’d never seen them before she acted pretty blaze around them. Some strange decisions made here…*sigh*

And a dodgy-as-anything sound mix to boot. I thought they might have learned they need to do a stereo mix for broadcast, considering 99% of viewers will never see it with the 5.1 one, but noooo. It was like they didn’t want us to hear the dialogue… The thing is it wasn’t too bad on TEH and TBB. Victory was definitely mixed worse. Maybe when it’s a better episode you just don’t care about stuff like that…

I wanted to be on the edge of my seat with this one, which is probably why I’m pissed off. Where was that moment that Moffat said we would all want to keep rewinding and playing back? Does he mean the new Daleks being revealed?? If so he should have kept them out of the bloody Radio Times!

[ChrisM]

>And a dodgy-as-anything sound mix to boot.

Wasn’t it just? I’ve seen complaints about this with previous episodes but didn’t notice it. This week it was very poor though.

>Surely it’s not a spoiler once its aired?

Um..

(One re-read of first post later)you’re right. (I wouldn’t mind but I’ve posted spoilers here myself. I thought there was specific threads for each episode, but realise now that’s another site I visit. )

Okay go on then, MAJOR SPOILERS AHOOOOOY!

Sorry, had a funny turn there.

Daleks and WW II, = Good.

Churchill = Good.

Spitfires in Place = Good. (Although that was a quick upgrade. Maybe those systems had already been installed though. I think it was mentioned but I missed it.)

Doctor baiting dalek to prove to others they’re evil= Bit stupid. I know he wants to prove their true identity to the others, but like that? It’s just as well for them they didn’t slaughter everyone in the room in a few seconds flat rather than just a couple of people.

However the plot twist using Doctor for their super-race ends was good. Well, no it was evil.. but I’m sure you know what I mean.

I’ll stop the this = this stuff now.

As for the new colourful Daleks I wasn’t sure from the pictures, but on-screen they looked really good. Not the brightest mentally though when they didn’t attempt to zap the Doctor the moment his jammie ruse was exposed, but they’ve a history of that.

The ‘hand-held explosive device’ ploy was amusing but the ‘unpure’ daleks were stupid not to scan it earlier. Then again they’ve a tendency to judge people by their own terms so… I’ll just about buy it.

I liked the android scientist character. Kind of convenient he was programmed with so much dalek tech knowledge  though rather than just the fake memories of creating daleks themselves… but I’ll accept it as the daleks probably felt a bit more honey in the pot helps their ends (oo-er) and they are arrogant and prone to underestimation.

The last twist with the bomb was good, but the solution was…. rather bad. Next time my computer stops working properly I’ll stick a USB lead up my bottom and think sad and saucy thoughts see if the computer stops mucking about. Yeah, I know I’m exaggerating, but that wasn’t good.

Overall it was a decent fun episode though.

[pfm]

> I think it was mentioned but I missed it.

If this had been a well-scripted, well-directed episode there wouldn’t be any sort of confusion. Because it wasn’t made clear to us, when they appear in space it’s more of a ‘what?? bleurghpfft*sigh*’ moment rather than ‘YES! COME ON!!’

OK there was one great moment and that was the Dalek saying ‘you do not require tea!’ when the Doctor was bashing it!

I just wish those Daleks really didn’t know who or what they were. It would have made it far more interesting and that was something I was looking forward to. It should have been played as the Doctor feeling broken because even his greatest enemies are lost to him. What is he without the Daleks? It’s similar to the situation between him and the Master.

[Tarka Dal]

> It should have been played as the Doctor feeling broken because even his greatest enemies are lost to him.

Might be an interesting read, but well it’s not much fun for the kids is it?

One of the traits of the Moffat-Era Show already seems to be keeping the spirit of childhood right at the centre of things. We had kids feature heavily in the the first two episodes, we know one shows up during the Weeping Angels story. Tonight seemed to be an extension of that.

Gattiss in all fairness to him did state in Confidential that he set out to capture the feel of bank holiday war movies rather than anything overly complex.
It struck me as being a pretty dumb episode, one of style and name dropping over any particular substance, but again it’s all part of the show isn’t it? The dark, more complicated episodes we treasure of as gems because they’re for us (the grown-ups) and because we’ve gone through all the daft stuff to get to them. Then again I quite liked Evolution.

[hummingbird]

Very disappointed.
I liked the new Daleks, though.

[ChrisM]

I just noticed:
‘Spitfires in Place’
should be
‘Spitfires in space.’

Obviously. I’m not sure why I capitalised ‘Place’ either, like it’s a title…

I’ve accidentally substituted the wrong word for another that sounds the same before (there, their, they’re for example) but I’m not sure I’ve substituted another rhyming word.

[Ben Paddon]

Liked it. Didn’t have the soundmix problems, but then I’m in America and had to watch the episode by (YARR HARR FIDDLE DEE DEE – Ed.), so I don’t know. I’ll be watching the episode later in glorious pie-definition, so we’ll see if the sound problems occur in that version of the episode.

Despite some duffness – the Bracewell-bot didn’t quite work for me, and the resurrection of the Daleks (arf!) felt very contrived – I would still say that this is probably the second-best Dalek story the show has done since its revival, sitting right behind “Dalek”.

[Pete Part Three]

Well, at the risk of being flamed for saying that was a ropey episode; that was a ropey episode.

First 10 minutes were great with a nice air of mystery about the Daleks’ ulterior motives. Doctor losing his temper was similarly impressive.

And then it all went wrong. The jammy dodger stuff was fine, but the reason behind the deception was messy…and the outcome was a bunch of distinctly camp looking Daleks who failed to threaten any future menace by not doing a bloody thing. They didn’t kill anyone (barring a couple of pilots) and their grand scheme – the bomb (how cunning!) failed to detonate. I’m not sure why the Doctor was so downbeat that these particular Daleks scarpered.

And the last ten minutes hinted at a twist that never came. With bucket loads of running time before the end credits, I assumed that something else was going to happen. But it didn’t. We got a bunch of goodbyes and another crack in space/time (and this, sadly, is getting so repetitive it’s becoming redundant…Bad Wolf, it aint).

I don’t really get why this story was set in WW2. Moffat gave Gatiss the premise “Daleks and Churchill”, and he seemingly got bored with that after 15 minutes. A missed opportunity.

On the plus side, Amy was great and the quandry other why she doesn’t remember the Dalkes is nicely intriguing. And it was a damned sight better than Evolution.

[Nick R]

> We got a bunch of goodbyes and another crack in space/time (and this, sadly, is getting so repetitive it’s becoming redundant…Bad Wolf, it aint).

The crack patterns are far more blatant than Bad Wolf’s early appearances, but there seems to be another, more subtle mystery building up around the date discrepancies. It’s not just the hospital name badge and Amy’s memories of the Daleks – if I can quote a couple of other people’s posts from over on the xkcd forums:

The Doctor has been landing in the wrong time on every Tardis trip so far. Twice with Amy (12 and 2 year errors), and 1 month late for Churchill. And now I decided to check The Beast Below, and the years don’t add up there either. At the beginning the Doctor says the Earth was fried in the 29th century (800 years in the future), and later estimates that Liz 10 is 300 years old. So he thinks he’s 1100 years in the future, but the computer in the voting booth says Amy is 1306 years old. 200-year error.

You know, it seems like the Tardis is being drawn to the cracks in time rather than the other way around? I mean, that’s why it keeps missing I think. Like trying to throw darts with a big magnet a few inches to the side

I like that theory…

[Pete Part Three]

I’m not convinced by the “late landings” as a running theme..

His “12 year late” thing in The Eleventh Hour just seems like a nice plot point to introduce Matt Smith, the time-travel element and an antagonism between Amy and the man that let her down. The “2 years late” thing could simply be due to pushing Amy’s story forward and giving her something to run away from (her wedding).

I’m not denying that there’s more to Amy that we don’t know though, as there’s clearly something weird about her.

As for Victory, the reason he’s a month late is to give him a reason for being there. Churchill said that he’d phoned the Doctor when the Daleks first arrived as he was concerned and wanted his assistance. However, a month has now passed and he has since warmed to them (and no longer feels the Doctor NEEDS to be there); creating tension when the Doctor reveals that they are dangerous.

[ChrisM]

>I’m not convinced by the “late landings” as a running theme..

Me neither. There could be something in it, but this series is certainly not the first time he has been late.

> I’m not sure why the Doctor was so downbeat that these particular Daleks scarpered.

Because they’ll be out there causing mischief and he knows at some point he’ll have to confront them again, and by now, he is so very tired of them I’d imagine.

[ChrisM]

Interesting stuff concerning time discrepancies, in episodes so far. So possibly spoilers.

I’ll admit, I didn’t notice most of that.

[Rad]

It was pretty good though a number of poor moments.

The first ten minutes with the mystery of what was happening with these Daleks was more interesting than the rest of the episode. After that we enter historical romp mode and after the admittedly fun battle with the spitfires in space, it seemed that this would have been a better episode if it was constrained by a smaller budget. Given the miracles they work with money on the show, this isn’t really a fair point but there may have been a better episode in a different version of the story.

Also, even though it totally contradicts my previous point about budget, I’m disappointed we didn’t have a WW2 Dalek version of Dr Manhattan vs The Viet Cong.

Getting sick of The Doctor’s self-mythologising – “You Know What Davros Called Me – Iron Balls the Badaass” etc etc.

The final scene with the Android was unsatisfying. He’s an immortal with a bunch of fake memories (Am I right? I may have not heard some dialogue). Quite what he’s going to do in 1940 I don’t know. May as well have gone with the Doctor. There was a lot more that could have been done with the character rather than run after a non-existent woman (Am I right? Someone tell me).

Despite these concerns, it was enjoyable enough to merit four stars for me.

[Muzzy]

I’m fairly certain the Doctor said at some point that Bracewell had been given someone else’s memories. So it’s possible the things he remembered did indeed exist.

[TheLeen]

Interesting stuff concerning time discrepancies, in episodes so far. So possibly spoilers.

OH.

[pfm]

Watched it a second time (the HD version with vlc player, and the sound mix was perfect) and it’s even more apparent what a weak episode it is.

Amy saving the day again would have been great if she had had more than two meaningful lines before that moment. When she says ‘ever fancied someone you know you shouldn’t?’ it’s like she’s about to declare her love for Bracewell! Relating this statement to anything real on Amy’s part would have been a good idea here, even if it meant suggesting she fancies the Doctor. She calls him ‘Paisley boy’ a couple of times and then she’s supposed to be able to have this meaningful moment with him? Nope, it’s hard to buy, harder to buy than spitfires in space. Really poor scripting and directing.

[Tarka Dal]

> it’s like she’s about to declare her love for Bracewell!

I thought that. I also thought it was a little dissappointing that after The Doctor saving the day with such brains and swagger in the first episode that the resolutions have been handed to Amy in the first two adventures. Not that there’s any reason to keep count, but so far I’m waiting for more from The Doctor himself.

Aside from whether it was actually any good, could it be that the episode suffered a bit from just not being Moffat penned? Sure we had Moffat episodes in the RTD era, but for Gattiss the reference points would be David Tennant and the RTD era. By all means Moffat could have shared scripts and provided information on Smith’s Who, but it’s not the same as seeing the end product. It’s a little early perhaps to start discussing Smith’s own personal tropes, but both The Doctor and Companion felt a bit more generic in VotD than they had previously.

[Ben Paddon]

I think Amy is causing the cracks. I don’t think the TARDIS is finding the cracks. i think the cracks are finding her. Of note is that we’ve only seen cracks in the last two episodes after they’ve left, as though she’s leaving them in her wake.

[ChrisM]

I thought that. I also thought it was a little dissappointing that after The Doctor saving the day with such brains and swagger in the first episode that the resolutions have been handed to Amy in the first two adventures

The Doctor saved the day in the first episode, and Amy did in the second, true. In the third, I saw it as more of a team effort though. The Doctor came up with the idea of how to stop the bomb and Amy took it that step further, rather than opting for a different option altogether like she did the previous episode. I quite like that… although I thought that the idea that persuading a robot he is human would cause the bomb to deactivate was so much bum-fluff.

It’s also curious that people complain about the companion saving the day rather than the Doctor. As if it’s a new thing. I’ve seen Old who episodes (not many granted) where the companions would often save the day.

I think Amy is causing the cracks. I don’t think the TARDIS is finding the cracks. i think the cracks are finding her.

Good thought!

[Nick R]

14-minute Steven Moffat video interview:

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/steven-moffat-interview-doctor-who.php

Very interesting – but I was a bit surprised by how many hints he gave about certain things (including something about the 2-parter coming up), so don’t watch it if you don’t want any hints at all about what’s in store.

The interviewer does mention the 1990 date on Rory’s hospital badge, and Moffat gives a surprisingly definite answer about that… BUT DO WE BELIEVE HIM…?

When asked about the scale of the series finales (“season finales – now more intimate than ever!”), he gives some vague-ish hints about how grand the scale might be for both this series and what he’s sort-of got in mind for series 6 – another thing I was surprised he said anything about at all! But this line will be very promising to those who thought that RTD’s finales were undermined by their universe-in-peril ambition:

“It’s dramatic if you’re threatening the universe – it’s equally dramatic if you threaten one person. It has to be huge for the characters.”

He’s also asked about the possibility of companions from other time periods, and mentions that RTD was very close to introducing a Victorian companion. I’m not sure if that’s ever been revealed before (haven’t read The Writer’s Tale).

[Pete Part Three]

Interview with Alex Kingston

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/tubetalk/a215175/alex-kingston-talks-doctor-who-return.html

Rather pleased that TTOA is not the first time that River meets The Doctor as it seems that they’re taking their time with this arc and revealing the extent of the relationship gradually.

[Ridley]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2010/04_april/19/sj_adventures.shtml

[Pete Part Three]

RTD obviously not a fan of cold turkey.

[Alex]

The first episode of the downloadable games is to be called ‘City of The Daleks’. More interesting is this:

The TARDIS materializes in 1963 – and London is in ruins. The Daleks have seized control of time and the only chance of saving Earth lies in a desperate quest to Skaro, the Daleks’ home planet – before time catches up with Amy, the last survivor of the human race!

I imagine a large ammount of continuity debates have just opened on Galifrey Base…

[Muzzy]

But…but…Skaro blew up!!! :P

[ChrisM]

>But…but…Skaro blew up!!

If only they had a time travelling device hanging around somewhere….

Oh.

;)

[pfm]

> I’m not sure if that’s ever been revealed before

Yeah, the maid role that Martha ‘played’ in Human Nature/Family of Blood (set in 1912? thereabouts) was at one stage what her original character was going to be. I’m glad RTD didn’t go that way in the end, even though Martha was kind of wasted and unfairly held up as not being Rose in her modern incarnation.

Despite Moffat’s comments I think Amy will be harder for audiences to relate to, partly because she’s a bit wacky and her story is fairly mysterious, and also because she seems to be a lot more on the ball than past companions, already saving the day twice in her first three episodes. The Doctor is the more familiar character where Amy is a bit of an enigma.

While he dismissed the ID card again he didn’t confirm Amy’s timeline. I’m not sure if he has in a past interview but he didn’t answer it here so it could still be an important point.

[Nick R]

Steven Moffat BBC blog post talking about the next two episodes, with a short clip that’s just as good as the other one that’s been released so far. Spoilers! ;)

Eurogamer and Guardian previews of the adventure games. The Doctor and Amy talking about the Beatles? A trip to Skaro? I’m in! Instant-death stealth sections where you use a point-and-click interface to negotiate the Doctor around Daleks with Commandoes-style vision cones? Uh-oh…

[pfm]

Anything’s got to be better than the Daleks ep.

[Dessie]

I’m getting a real Aliens vibe off this episode so far.

[Author]

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