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  • #126408
    MANI506
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    I wouldn’t call myself a Doctor Who fan but I really enjoyed that and I’d say it was my favourite Dalek episode of all. I should think there are a few plot holes but I didn’t see the twist coming and I was moved by the Ponds getting back together.

    There’s a podcast I like called The Complete Guide To Everything and their last one about Doctor Who had me chortling fatly throughout.

    #126412
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I liked that episode a lot and I liked the new (rather saucy) character.

    There were things that struck me as odd, although ‘plot hole’ would be a bit strong. They certainly didn’t ruin the episode for me:

    SPOILERS AHOY!!!

    1) There’s shielding on the planet that will deflect dalek weapons… yet they can beam people straight to the surface.

    This might be explained easily enough by the kind of shielding. I.e. in the Star Wars films there are domelike force-shields which protect an army from energy weapons yet allow physical objects and people to pass through. (See the thing used by the Gungans in The Phantom Menace for example.)
    A little explanation would have been nice though.

    2) The girl’s* mention of ‘the bad news’ at the end of the episode- namely that the Doctor was about to pass through the last few most insane daleks. That in itself wasn’t strange, just the girl’s later surprise when they reactivated. If she thought they were dormant, why was she so afraid in the first place? Just their reputation?

    3) Why would removing the memory of the Doctor from the Daleks’ minds have been enough to make the insane daleks ignore him? They may not have hated or feared him as much, but surely just not being dalek would be reason enough to kill him in their eye(s) particularly being right there in front of them?

    This could be explained perhaps by their earlier dormancy, and the fact that it took the return of their arch enemy to wake them up. Maybe this apathy runs through their waking state too, which again makes one wonder why they were so feared.

    4) Convenient teleporter on a prison planet. Right near their destination. Okay so it didn’t work right away, (and there was the shielding) but even so.

    As for the twist, I guessed there was one coming (I made the mistake of reading a spoiler, but I think I would have guessed that there was a twist coming) but I didn’t forecast the full nature of the twist. I.e. I thought it would be a similar deal to what happened to her mother and the other ‘dalek puppets’.

    All-in-all great stuff. I was curious to find that quite a few people on another forum I frequent found the new female character very irritating with her chirpy flirting. Personally I thought she was lovely.

    As for how she and the Doctor will hook up again, well, he has a time machine right? That doesn’t really explain why she doesn’t know him, but the fact that the first stages of ‘dalekification’ affect the mind and memory could explain this.

    Or maybe she actually got out somehow at the last minute and some physical alterations were later reversed. Again we don’t know the full extent of her physical changes. Would she have become one of those one eyed tentacle things or be essentially just a girl wired into a giant moving pepper pot?

    Sorry, this post ended up longer than I expected.

    *Her name has slipped my memory.

    #126413
    si
    Participant

    There’s also the fact that the Doctor doesn’t actually know what she looks like, does he? He may have heard her plenty, but they could meet up sometime, and he plausibly could not recognise her at all.

    #126417
    pfm
    Participant

    > but the fact that the first stages of ‘dalekification’ affect the mind and memory could explain this.

    This is exactly how Moffat will explain this away. The Christmas episode will be the first time they meet but by the time of ‘Asylum’ her memory has been affected by the conversion (she also forgot her right name). Also, the Doctor won’t recognize her (at first…) because he never actually saw her in ‘Asylum’. No doubt she’ll say something like ‘chin boy’ or maybe she’ll bake a soufflé (:P) and that makes him twig.

    #126420
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    So have we ever had an explanation as to why Amy didn’t know what Daleks were back in Season 5?

    Re; irritating Oswin. Nah. She’s too damn cute to be annoying. Shame that Moffat only ever seems to write overly confident sexpots for major female characters though.

    #126422
    Ridley
    Participant

    So have we ever had an explanation as to why Amy didn’t know what Daleks were back in Season 5?

    It was the crack, wasn’t it?

    #126423
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >It was the crack, wasn’t it?

    Ohhhh. Hmm. I guess the mystery was a lot more interesting than the explanation.

    #126424

    > So have we ever had an explanation as to why Amy didn’t know what Daleks were back in Season 5?

    Everybody I mention that to says it was something to do with the crack but I don’t agree. They never got erased from time so there’s no reason that would affect it.

    #126427
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Everybody I mention that to says it was something to do with the crack but I don’t agree. They never got erased from time so there’s no reason that would affect it.

    No, but that particular set of Daleks may have been, just as it apparently ate the Cybermen from “The Next Doctor” (as explained in “Flesh and Stone” when the Doctor realises no bugger remembers the CyberKing).

    Closing the cracks also supposedly sealed the Cardiff rift, if Russell T Davies’ view on the matter is anything to go by.

    #126433
    Connell
    Participant

    Also, I thought the it was offensive to kill Daleks… but then at the first chance they get they blow the planet up anyway? What’s going on there?

    And why did everyone hear Clara / Oswin’s voice as human right up until the Doctor was in the room with her? No matter how much she’s dreaming she should’ve sounded Dalek.

    It was certainly one of those episodes with a vast amount of plotholes I presume we’re supposed to ignore.

    #126434
    pfm
    Participant

    > No matter how much she’s dreaming she should’ve sounded Dalek.

    This isn’t a plot hole. She didn’t think she was a Dalek so didn’t broadcast a Dalek voice, but instead the one she has always thought of being her own. Obviously when the Doctor reached her she could only physically speak with a Dalek voice.

    I thought Moffat did a decent job of holding it all together and (for the first time in ages) delivering a twist or two that weren’t absolutely groanworthy or contrived. This is my favourite episode of his since ‘The Eleventh Hour’.

    #126436
    Jimboid
    Participant

    > Also, I thought the it was offensive to kill Daleks… but then at the first chance they get they blow the planet up anyway? What’s going on there?

    I think the idea was that they thought the planet was no longer secure, due to someone apparently having landed and survived…hence the mental Daleks could’ve escaped. As much as they admired their insane hatred, I doubt the “normal” Daleks would’ve wanted a bunch of directionless loons running around the universe.

    Hence they wanted the planet to be purged.

    I presume the Doctor heard Oswin’s voice as human for the same reason that Amy saw the Daleks as humans….and that was the reason we got that part. He had taken the bracelet off, innit.

    #126439
    Connell
    Participant

    > She didn’t think she was a Dalek so didn’t broadcast a Dalek voice, but instead the one she has always thought of being her own.

    Fair point, I just want to hear the Dalek voice saying ‘Is there a word for total screaming genius that sounds modest, and a tiny bit sexy?’ and ‘Careful dear… you’ll put someones eye out’.

    #126440
    srmcd1
    Participant

    > Fair point, I just want to hear the Dalek voice saying ‘Is there a word for total screaming genius that sounds modest, and a tiny bit sexy?’ and ‘Careful dear… you’ll put someones eye out’.

    There should be an app for that…

    #126441
    Jimboid
    Participant
    #126444
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > Me and my mates enjoyed it.

    Nigel’s looking a bit pale. Are you feeding him properly?

    #126446
    Pecospete666
    Participant

    It does not work on my Ipad,Keeps saying theres a problem with the recording. I was looking forward to driving people crazy with it!
    I have the Red Dwarf talking key chain and was asked not to bring it into the bar anymore!

    #126450
    si
    Participant

    >Nigel’s looking a bit pale. Are you feeding him properly?

    Yes, don’t worry, he’s fine. Derek caters to his every need, they’ve grown quite close. I sometimes wonder what they get up to when I’m not around.

    #126452
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I presume the Doctor heard Oswin’s voice as human for the same reason that Amy saw the Daleks as humans….and that was the reason we got that part. He had taken the bracelet off, innit.

    It astounds me just how many people appeared to have missed the mention of Time Lords being immune to the Daleks’ nanogene technology (which is silly – if the Daleks would want to keep anybody off of a planet like that, it’s the Time Lords). It was mentioned in the episode, bold as brass, clear as day.

    #126454

    > It astounds me just how many people appeared to have missed the mention of Time Lords being immune to the Daleks’ nanogene technology

    I’ve watched it twice and not heard that. If he does as immune why did he wait till Amy was almost daleked till he gave her his bracelet? Is he just a bit of a cunt?

    #126455
    srmcd1
    Participant

    No.

    …Well, yes, he is a bit. It’s been made canonical that the Doctor is a bit of a cunt. But a very *loving* cunt. He only did it to force Amy and Rory into a situation where they would be forced to talk out their differences and save their marriage.

    Note that when Rory demands, “Why didn’t he just tell us?”

    Amy then looks at a security screen and sees the Doctor walk past the camera, which he then looks into, and he straightens his bow tie knowingly, and carries on.

    #126456

    Yeah, I got that bit. But when did anyone say he was immune?

    #126457
    srmcd1
    Participant

    There’s a jumbled bit of dialogue where the Ponds are talking over each other, and I think Amy said, “He’s a Time Lord. He probably doesn’t even need it.” So I think it was just a guess that never got confirmed.

    #126458
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    It astounds me just how many people appeared to have missed the mention of Time Lords being immune to the Daleks’ nanogene technology (which is silly – if the Daleks would want to keep anybody off of a planet like that, it’s the Time Lords). It was mentioned in the episode, bold as brass, clear as day.

    Timecode or it didn’t happen.

    #126464
    Connell
    Participant

    You should be able to figure it out. It’s a bit of crafty directing, having him assess the Ponds at the start and figure out something’s wrong, then fix his bowtie. Later on in the episode we learn the Doctor ‘probably doesn’t even need it’ and then we see him on the screen, again, fix his bowtie. The bowtie is a symbol of their relationship.

    Or some shit.

    #126465

    I got the whole fixing of the bowtie metaphor. I just didn’t hear the line where we find out he might not need it.

    #126466
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >I’m sure I heard it too. When Rory finds Amy is wearing a braclet after all.

    That’s Amy guessing he doesn’t need it. Completely different from “confirmation that he doesn’t need it”. How would she know? The Daleks reckon he needs one – hence giving him one – and they invented the tech. Unless he himself says he doesn’t need it, then as far as I’m concerned, he needs it, and it was an heroic act of possible self-sacrifice.

    #126467
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    It has to be that – if he didn’t need his, he’d have just given it to her straight away.

    #126469
    mick
    Participant

    I’d have given it to her, straight away.

    #126472
    pfm
    Participant

    > I’d have given it to her, straight away.

    A few days ago I would have said the same but, bizarrely, I’m now into brunettes…

    Robb Stark…what a jammy flipping bastard!!

    #126503
    ChrisM
    Participant

    That’s Amy guessing he doesn’t need it. Completely different from “confirmation that he doesn’t need it”.

    Yes. Although the fact Moffat wrote Amy with that line suggest he might have intended Timelord immunity as the explanation, although giving the line to her for that reason doesn’t make much sense for reasons you state. I suppose Moffat may just have given her the line to show she her esteem for the Doctor, possibly bordering idolisation, although she certainly doesn’t go silly like Rose and Martha did.

    I think the Doctor would have been affected, but as the process is slow and he was near their destination when he passed on the bracelet, the nano-things had a negligible effect on him.

    I thought the it was offensive to kill Daleks… but then at the first chance they get they blow the planet up anyway? What’s going on there?

    I don’t think the daleks find killing the insane daleks offensive so much as they are reluctant to do so. Past episodes have show that they are willing to kill their own kind in certain circumstances. In the case of the insane daleks, I think that the daleks actually admire them in a way. They’re not just hateful creatures. They’re insane in their hatred, and the daleks, esteeming hatred as they do, applaud that, yet understand that they are a danger to them as well. So they compromise and maroon them on a prison world where they can do no damage to the great dalek empire, yet remain as exhibits of the ultimate dalek. In a way.

    Of course, when the prison becomes ineffective, they are quick to overcome their reluctance. They’re not stupid.

    #126512
    Pecospete666
    Participant

    BBC America reported 1.555 million viewers for Dr Who!

    #126529
    Kris Carter
    Participant

    That’s Numberwang!

    #200467
    Jimboid
    Participant

    Well, that was all rather fun. The riding on the triceratops looked ace. Nice effects.

    Not sure about the Mitchell and Web robots.

    Hope to see a visit to Siluria in the future.

    #200468
    Ridley
    Participant

    An enjoyable romp though I’m not sure about the apparent death of the villain and the twist that Rory’s dad is a cardboard cutout.

    #200469
    si
    Participant

    A bit disjointed. Lots of nice stuff, a nice ‘gang’, some funny lines and Rory’s Dad’s balls. But a pantomime villain and…I don’t know. Enjoyable enough, but it didn’t really grip me. I was in a state of non-gripness etc. I did like Brian, though.

    #200470
    Connell
    Participant

    Turned it off not long after the opening credits. And that’s rare for me and Doctor Who. It just wasn’t appealing television at all. Lets hope next weeks is a return to form!

    #200471
    si
    Participant

    > Turned it off not long after the opening credits.

    Really? Woah, that’s harsh. I could never do that. It’d have to be fucking *awful* for me to do that. And that wasn’t fucking awful.

    #200472
    Ridley
    Participant

    What was so unappealing about it?

    #200473

    I can’t understand why you would do that…

    #200474
    Connell
    Participant

    Those sort of episodes almost epitomize the aspects I dislike the most about Doctor Who, namely when it is extremely obvious the age group they’re aiming for is about 10-15.

    #200475
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    Mark williams!!! On a Space Ship!! again!!! :-)

    Absolutely loved it totally just went with it and enjoyed the ride, felt like an adventure movie in 45 minutes, felt like a special and it’s just an normal episode.

    Little bit convenient that lestrade bloke the game hunter was taken along incase they needed a big game hunter.

    I think my dad would have loved that episode, I normally have to explain the other ones to him since Matt took over.

    #200476
    pfm
    Participant

    I often wonder whether Chris Chibnall has some incriminating photos of someone at BBC Wales. There must be some reason why he’s still writing for the show when he’s clearly SHIT.

    Some decent effects but a boring episode for me with Matt at his most slappable in parts of it. In fact, everyone would have got a good strangling from me at one time or another. Including Rory’s dad and the rest of the ‘gang’ was a wasted opportunity.

    If Chibnall takes over the show I won’t watch. It would simply be too painful!

    #200478
    HelloMabel
    Participant

    >If Chibnall takes over the show I won’t watch. It would simply be too painful!

    He did The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood from series 5, which I rather liked because it reminded me of ST TNG.

    Sorry in advance for my ignorance, but how do these things work? Do Chibnall and the other writers have to run their scripts by Moffat to be voted up or down, or can they do what they want? Or does Moffat come up with the story arc and then break it into episodes and assign writers to each one?

    #200479
    Pecospete666
    Participant

    I guess I’m 15, I liked it , 7.5 out of 10 !
    I am sick of Rory&Amy! When are they going to companion heaven?

    #200480

    They’re going in two episodes, aren’t they?

    #200481
    Ridley
    Participant

    >There must be some reason why he’s still writing for the show when he’s clearly SHIT.

    Pete >>>>>> 24 > Doctor Who and the Silurians

    #200482
    Pongo
    Participant

    The scenes with the Doctor and Solomon – which I liked – were at odds with the rest of the episode. I wonder whose idea it was to add “comedy” henchmen, dinosaur shenanigans, Rory’s dad, Queen Nefertiti, and Lestrade to a story about genocide. The villain was well-acted, at least.

    #200485
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I’ve forgotten it already aside from the kid-friendly combo of dinosaurs, space-ships, zany robots and lots of running around in circles. I’m sure there was a story in there somewhere but I don’t recall what it was.

    To its credit, it didn’t bore me like the Silurian two-parter but, in a season of only 5 episodes (fuck this “split season” nonsense), it just felt like a waste, you know?

    #200488
    si
    Participant

    Chris Chibnall infuriates me. I don’t think he’s ‘shit’ as such, but his episodes are always ‘meh’ episodes, and two-parters are a definite no-no. I *hated* The Hungry Earth, yet thinking back, I really liked 42.
    I really wanted to like DoaS, to be able to state that he was forgiven for the rubbish he’s thrown our way in recent years, but that was just a bit of a mish-mash of a promising story. It was as though they’d filmed an early draft by accident. If we want to give it a mark, I’d probably settle on a 7/10.

    EDIT: Just checking his Torchwood-output…OH MY GOD, HE WROTE CYBERWOMAN. There’s no coming back from *that*. But then, looking at his Who credentials, he also did Pond Life. Okay, it only lasted five minutes, but it had an Ood on the loo.

    #200493
    Connell
    Participant

    The Hungry Earth and Cold blood are coincidentally the only episodes of Series 5 I haven’t seen. Again I watched about 15 minutes and just couldn’t put up with the lackluster story. Never made the connection between disappointing Who and Chibnall, but there you go.

    I’m sticking to my guns, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship was maybe good television, but rubbish Who.

    #200494

    How do you know if you turned it off shortly after the opening credits?

    #200499
    pfm
    Participant

    The fact that he’s done Pond Life and 2 out of these 5 episodes has me worried indeed. I hope to the Lords of Kobol that he’s not being groomed for the next showrunner. His Torchwood tenure was saved by some decent writing by Catherine Treganna, Peter Hammond, Toby Whithouse and James Moran.

    Probably the only episode of his I’ve really enjoyed was ‘Countrycide’ from Torchwood series 1.

    #200507
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    >but how do these things work? Do Chibnall and the other writers have to run their scripts by Moffat to be voted up or >down, or can they do what they want?

    I dont fully know, but from comments made in interviews, some times, the show runner will give a writer a general outline of something they want, in this case, “dinosaurs on a space ship” or “daleks in world war two” and then the rest is left up to the commissioned writer to turn in the script. I guess in some cases that then requires re-writes of varying degrees, and might be a script dropped or a script moved to later due to varying reasons of production. It does work in otherways as well.

    #200508
    Jimboid
    Participant

    Midgets on Mars.

    #200521
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Of note, Russell T Davies said there were only two writers he never did page-one rewrites for: Steven Moffat and Chris Chibnall. Which, y’know. Fuck.

    I know that Moffat’s approach is far less “NO NO, I’LL DO IT” than RTD’s, but if there’s anyone who should be taking the time to polish one of CHibnall’s scripts, it’s SteMo.

    That said, I enjoyed the episode. I’m going to try and write a proper review of it tomorrow, after a rewatch.

    #200595
    thomasaevans
    Participant

    Howard Burden Is the costume designer!

    #200617
    pfm
    Participant

    > Which, y’know. Fuck.

    He probably looked at the draft and thought ‘where do I start…..?’

    I know I often slate Moffat but that’s mainly frustration over what we KNOW he’s capable of (i.e. great episodes like ‘Asylum…’ as opposed to the wtf of last Christmas).

    With Chibnall it’s almost a given that we’re gonna be at the very least bored to tears… That’s if you actually care about stuff like plotting and dialogue. I’m sure those focussing on dino action or those playing the ‘spot the reused set and/or location’ game will have been fairly satisfied…;)

    And yay to Howard Burden!!! :D

    #200624
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I’m willing to give Moffat’s Doctor Who episodes a pass. You can’t really do proper Doctor Who at Christmas. A Christmas Day audience is not the same as a Saturday night audience, and you have to adjust your writing style accordingly. The basics of Doctor Who need to be there, obviously – the mad man with a box who fixes things – but beyond that you can’t really get away with big stories.

    It’s incredibly telling that the highest-rated Christmas day story to date has been “Voyage of the Damned”.

    #200625
    pfm
    Participant

    > It’s incredibly telling that the highest-rated Christmas day story to date has been “Voyage of the Damned”.

    The show was on such a hype train back then. Also, Kylie Minogue…;)

    #200626
    Jimboid
    Participant

    It’s nice that Who has become something of a Christmas tradition….but it’s creating an inordinate number of festive themed episodes.

    In my current marathon, watching on average an episode a day, it’s Christmas every other week.

    #200637
    srmcd1
    Participant

    Christmas every other week? How horrible!

    #200638
    Somebody
    Participant

    If I recall his column in this month’s DWM correctly, Moffat said that they just used the first draft for DoaS practically untouched (paraphrasing, “two small notes, don’t bother with a full redraft”) and told Chibnall to do episode 4 with the extra time…

    #200640
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    S’fine by me. I actually liked this episode. It’s silly, but it’s fun. So… yes.

    #200675
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I highly rate “A Christmas Carol” – thought it was great. Last Year’s wardrobe nonsense seemed like it was from the pen of a very tired writer.

    I can totally believe that first draft thing about DoaS. There’s a distinct whiff of “well, there’s a shitload of stuff in this script. Will this do?”

    #200701

    I didn’t really mind DoaS too much untill the very end where the doctor as good as kills Soloman. I didn’t think he was supposed to do shit like that.

    #200703
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I thought that was a little brutal… I think we are once again beginning to see why the Doctor shouldn’t travel alone.

    #200914
    Connell
    Participant

    That was a superb episode. Thoroughly enjoyed it and found myself yet again wishing Who had a permanent hour timeslot. Must admit I wasn’t keen on the whole ‘I’ll just hand myself in’ ending, but it was a near perfect episode.

    8/10 from me.

    #200918
    pfm
    Participant

    A great one this week. Enjoyed it immensely! Top location and production values. Adrian Scarborough being his reliable self. Matt’s performance pretty commanding (for him).

    Amy might have had one good moment but I found the low key nature of the Ponds’ appearance in this episode to the be the right choice, as the story was, thankfully, the main focus. I keep wanting Doctor Who to be more like this. Just give us a bloody story, and a well-written one at that, with all the prattling and pissing about cut down to a minimum! While I’m almost sounding like my dad right now…I just want to be entertained by an episode of television, is that too much to ask?!??

    Yeah 8/10 is about right, with the ending slightly letting it down.

    #200920
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    The Doctor, Amy and Rory already being there reminded me very much of Sylvester McCoy’s era, where he and Ace would already be in a location and you wouldn’t see them arrive.

    #200938
    si
    Participant

    I’ve seen a lot of negative comments and a couple of negative reviews this morning, which I cannot understand at all. Cameron, over at Blogtor Who, even says he turned the episode off halfway through last night (although, thinking about it, he *had* already seen it). Personally, I thought it was great, some great lines, some great comedy moments, too.
    I did find a couple of elements of The Gunslinger off – the ‘TERMINATE’ POV-screen was only missing Arnie, and I wasn’t keen on the voice.
    But Matt Smith gave a fantastic performance, I thought. He does Angry very well too, doesn’t he?

    #200949
    pfm
    Participant

    I suppose this is what you get when you’ve got several million tuning in just as something to have on before The X Factor. If you don’t write for them then you’re gonna have people switching off. Sad but true…

    I’m guessing a general lack of the Ponds was a factor.

    #200952
    Connell
    Participant

    I loved it and it really makes the me think the world is backwards when this episode gets more negative comments than Dinosaurs on a fucking Spaceship. Can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t like the episode, apart form the lack of Ponds, which if I’m honest didn’t bother me that much. If they’d not had Rory there and given all his lines to Amy then I think that problem would’ve been solved.

    #200955
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Not bad, not bad at all. Not a classic, but far better than last week’s episode. An actual grown-up story rather than a bunch of kid-friendly elements pretending to be a story.

    Very keen for the Ponds to go now. Dislike the “temping companions” angle.

    #200974
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Dislike the “temping companions” angle.

    Why? It doesn’t affect us as the viewer, because they’re still in every story each week, and it’s an interesting, new dynamic we haven’t seen before. I like it.

    #200976
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Because it makes it feel like a “job” for Amy and Rory rather than a life choice, like they’re just appeasing The Doctor by keeping him company and then popping back home. The vibe that they don’t actually want to be there isn’t welcome.

    #201055
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I have no idea where you’re getting that notion from. Looks to me like you’re filling in blanks that aren’t there.

    #201058
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Yes, that must be it. Thanks.

    #201059
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    You’re welcome.

    Next I will tell you why every bad opinion you’ve ever held about every show I’ve ever loved is wrong, all the time, forever. We’ll start with the As…

    #201084

    Looks like they’re going to deal with that aspect in the next episode, judging from the “we have to choose which life” thing in the trailer.

    #201351
    Pecospete666
    Participant

    No comments about the “Power of Three” ?
    Mercy was good except the location was crap! They were here USA to do NYC, they should of went to Tombstone Az and did it.

    #201355
    Brayds2006
    Participant

    I enjoyed the Power of Three, but was slightly ruined by the shit ending. It was too rushed and didn’t explain enough.

    #201356
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I don’t think the ending was shit. It made sense. But it was rushed, especially considering the pacing of the rest of the episode.

    #201358
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I have a theory that, if you liked Turn Left, you’ll like that. I didn’t so I don’t.

    #201386
    si
    Participant

    Mercy was good except the location was crap!

    Yes, crap location, they should’ve gone and filmed it in the same place as the great Spaghetti Westerns…oh.

    #201438
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    I quite liked Turn Left, but thought this was SHIT. It was a good concept but after forty minutes or so of set up, it just ended. Any resolution that boils down to The Doctor going somewhere, pressing a few buttons and leaving again – and everything is just instantly fixed with no additional problems – doesn’t belong in Doctor Who. Brigadier Junior was good, Mark Williams was Mark Williams, but overall it was a nothing of an episode.

    #201440
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Well, bang goes that theory…But am in complete agreement.

    First 10 minutes I thought “Ooh, this is interesting, this could be good” and then…nothing.

    #201445
    si
    Participant

    I liked The Power of Three. Loved it, in fact. And I hate Chris Chibnall episodes, as a rule. Ho hum.

    #201448
    pfm
    Participant

    Turn Left had a brilliant ending IMO, so it’s quite the opposite to TPoT!

    There were some very good elements in this episode, not least the introduction of, hopefully, the re-occuring character of the Brig’s daughter. Though…do I ever want to watch it again? I’ve seen Asylum of the Daleks 4 times.

    #201472
    Connell
    Participant

    The Power of Three is certainly what I’d call a lackluster episode. I agree, the first 10 minutes draws you in, I was enticed into thinking this would be a great episode, only to have literally nothing happen in the middle. And just when you think the ending will save it all, we get a huge cop-out like that. It wasn’t dreadful but it certainly wasn’t good enough for me to be amazed. It was good television for a casual viewer, but average Doctor Who.

    #201473
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    The Power of Three is certainly what I’d call a lackluster episode.

    Wrong, wrong, absolutely brimming over with wrongability.

    #201549
    thomasaevans
    Participant

    Seriously not LOVING the seventh series as far. Mercy episode was the best out of the four.

    Fate that Red Dwarf takes over weekly sci-fi after the DW finale.

    Fate.

    #201554
    Kris Carter
    Participant

    Why were the humans being abducted? Why did no-one at the hospital spot the little girl who was there by herself for a YEAR? And didn’t being defibrilated actually finish off the Seventh Doctor?

    Gah.

    I loved the start of this episode. Then it all went a bit meh in the middle (apart from that nice little scene with Amy and The Doctor as he told her he missed her, and she was the first face his new face saw). And finally the end stormed in too quickly with a wave of the sonic and that was it. Very, very poor.

    #201555
    si
    Participant

    Oh. Apparently Craig and Danny want a Red Dwarf/Doctor Who crossover. Who are we to argue?

    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-09-25/red-dwarf-cast-we-want-doctor-who-crossover

    EDIT: Bollocks. That Thomas fella has beaten me to a piece of news again: http://www.ganymede.tv/forums/topic/red-who-highly-unlikely-but-radio-times-quotes-craig-and-danny/

    Oh well.

    *ahem*

    #201558
    Jimboid
    Participant

    I had no problems with TPoT. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

    Turn Left on the other hand…not keen.

    #201563
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    And didn’t being defibrilated actually finish off the Seventh Doctor?

    Nope. It was the exploratory surgery that killed him.

    #201564
    Kris Carter
    Participant

    Ah, couldn’t remember, not seen the movie for a while. But I’ll wager being riddled with bullets didn’t help ol’ numero Seven either.

    #201569
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    He only got the one or two hits, as I recall. I might be wrong. Maybe I’ll watch it later today.

    #201571
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    The shooting wasn’t anywhere near life-threatening, it’s just a narrative device to get him into the hospital. It was the mistake in not knowing he had two hearts. They jabbed a great big spikey camera right into one of them and killed him.

    #201585

    I just want to take this opportunity to point out that Paul McGann was/is an excellent Doctor. People don’t point that out nearly as much as it deserves to be.

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