Spoilers! Doctor Who – New Series. New Thread

[Tarka Dal]

Right then Season whatever, series whatever. RTD and Tennant out, Moffat and Smith in.

We start with this…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/newyear/

…and feast like the spoiler-feltching discussants that we are.

Thoughts:

Number 11 has an absolutely brilliant face.
He appears to have an ace fondness for hitting things.
The angels are back and based on their numbers and appearance it looks like it’s the same ones.

Topic

[Somebody]

EDIT: Damn pagirritation. This was posted in response to performingmonkey posting the 2005 “Trip of a lifetime” trailer, and appears even randomer without it directly above…

[Jonathan Capps]

Ahaha, I’ve made a fool of you.

Just upped the limit a bit. Hopefully we wont get any memory errors.

[Somebody]

Johnnnnaatthhhaannn…!

[steven87gill]

I’d like to see a return of some of the RTD era companions someday down the road. I know that SM will wan’t to put his own stamp on DW so we probably won’t see any in season 5 or 6, but think about it..

Doc 11’s first companion is ginger ;)

Which did make me think of a senario where Catherine Tate would stay on for one series with MS after DT had left.

[steven87gill]

I’d like to see a return of some of the RTD era companions someday down the road. I know that SM will wan’t to put his own stamp on DW so we probably won’t see any in season 5 or 6, but think about it..

Doc 11’s first companion is ginger ;)

Which did make me think of a senario where Catherine Tate would stay on for one series with MS after DT had left.

[steven87gill]

I’d like to see a return of some of the RTD era companions someday down the road. I know that SM will wan’t to put his own stamp on DW so we probably won’t see any in season 5 or 6, but think about it..

Doc 11’s first companion is ginger ;)

Which did make me think of a senario where Catherine Tate would stay on for one series with MS after DT had left.

[steven87gill]

I’d like to see a return of some of the RTD era companions someday down the road. I know that SM will wan’t to put his own stamp on DW so we probably won’t see any in season 5 or 6, but think about it..

Doc 11’s first companion is ginger ;)

Which did make me think of a senario where Catherine Tate would stay on for one series with MS after DT had left.

[steven87gill]

I’d like to see a return of some of the RTD era companions someday down the road. I know that SM will wan’t to put his own stamp on DW so we probably won’t see any in season 5 or 6, but think about it..

Doc 11’s first companion is ginger ;)

Which did make me think of a senario where Catherine Tate would stay on for one series with MS after DT had left.

[steven87gill]

I’d like to see a return of some of the RTD era companions someday down the road. I know that SM will wan’t to put his own stamp on DW so we probably won’t see any in season 5 or 6, but think about it..

Doc 11’s first companion is ginger ;)

Which did make me think of a senario where Catherine Tate would stay on for one series with MS after DT had left.

[steven87gill]

I’d like to see a return of some of the RTD era companions someday down the road. I know that SM will wan’t to put his own stamp on DW so we probably won’t see any in season 5 or 6, but think about it..

Doc 11’s first companion is ginger ;)

Which did make me think of a senario where Catherine Tate would stay on for one series with MS after DT had left.

[steven87gill]

I’d like to see a return of some of the RTD era companions someday down the road. I know that SM will wan’t to put his own stamp on DW so we probably won’t see any in season 5 or 6, but think about it..

Doc 11’s first companion is ginger ;)

Which did make me think of a senario where Catherine Tate would stay on for one series with MS after DT had left.

[steven87gill]

.comment deleted due me being an idiot and double posting it.

[Ian Symes]

Thank God you fixed that one.

[redhead85]

steven87gill x 9 duplicate posts = EPIC FAIL

I like maths. ^__^

[Andrew]

Does anyone know what hair colour we can expect from Doc 11s first companion?

[steven87gill]

.due me being an idiot and double posting it..

Erm, that .could. be somewhat of an understatement

‘walks away ashamed with head in hands’ :(

[Tarka Dal]

> Just upped the limit a bit.

Keep feeling pagination, passion burning, love so strong.

[JamesTC]

If they’re going to return any companion they need to return the Brig, only the 9th and 10th Doctors have never met him up to now (though the 10th was meant to in ‘The Wedding of Sarah Jane’ I think).

[Seb Patrick]

>only the 9th and 10th Doctors have never met him up to now

Sixth?

(if you say Big Finish so help me god I’ll slug you)

[Jonathan Capps]

> (if you say Big Finish so help me god I?ll slug you)

It’s worse than that, Ted… it’s Dimensions In Time.

[JamesTC]

I was thinking of both actually, ‘The Spectre Of Lanyon Moore’ is fucking fantastic. Wether you think it is canon or not it had that Doc meet the Brig, same with ‘Minuet in Hell’ for Paul McGann.

[Alex]

Just a shame that ?Minuet in Hell? was so monumentally shit.

[Somebody]

Haven’t heard MiH, since Radio 7 skipped it on their run-through the earlier 8th Doctor audios (which I didn’t take for a promising sign).

Chimes of Midnight, however, lived up to its’ billing, and I liked Scherzo (though didn’t get any more 8th Dr audios after it, since the rest of the other universe thing has a poor rep).

[JamesTC]

>Haven?t heard MiH, since Radio 7 skipped it on their run-through the earlier 8th Doctor audios (which I didn?t take for a promising sign).

It was because it wasn’t suitable for the time it would air, not because it was crap.

[Alex]

If I remember correctly wasn’t it due to radio 7 the them editing out the Charlie arc as much as possible in the series? Or am I just talking a load of old bollocks?

[genericnerdyusername]

MILD, YET OBVIOUS, SPOILER ABOUT ONE OF PAUL MCGANN’S AUDIO ADVENTURES!

It probably doesn’t matter but I like to think putting warnings at the beginning of posts make them seem more foreboding, even if it’s just to inform people that you’re eating a jam tart while typing. :)

Paul McGann’s audio adventures aren’t canon, are they? They had Rassillon get killed in it in “Zagreus”, unless I’m remembering it wrong. It’s been a long time since I’ve bothered to listen to that story (because it’s so long, I know a lot of people think it’s rubbish but I was prepared; I lowered my expectations and enjoyed it).

[Muzzy]

I always thought the Big Finish audios must be generally well regarded. I think that’s mostly informed by how long they’ve been running though as I’ve not really heard that many of them. Am I under the wrong impression?

[Ben Paddon]

> Paul McGann?s audio adventures aren?t canon, are they?

What is and isn’t canon is largely up to each individual. Remember that the Master had died in a bunch of different mediums, including the TV series itself, and still comes back time and again.

Personally I look upon the Doctor Who novels and audios in the same way Lucasfilm look at the Star Wars Expanded Universe – the books and audios are canon, expect where contradicted by the TV series which takes precedent.

[genericnerdyusername]

“I always thought the Big Finish audios must be generally well regarded. I think that?s mostly informed by how long they?ve been running though as I?ve not really heard that many of them. Am I under the wrong impression?”

Oh no, they are well regarded. “Neverland” is a classic, but “Zagreus” was the one after it and was produced on a Who anniversary (I forget which one, might have been the 50th), plus there was a long gap between the cliff hanger and conclusion. Basically “Zagreus” had so much of a build up that it was never going to match people’s expectations. Although, to be honest, I enjoyed it, the only thing that I find personally wrong with it is the whole thing is about 3 hours.

[Alex]

Paul McGann?s audio adventures aren?t canon, are they? They had Rassillon get killed in it in ?Zagreus?, unless I?m remembering it wrong. It?s been a long time since I?ve bothered to listen to that story (because it?s so long, I know a lot of people think it?s rubbish but I was prepared; I lowered my expectations and enjoyed it).

No, he was back only a few stories later.

[genericnerdyusername]

Oh right, fair enough, I didn’t know that.

[Phil1034]

> Paul McGann?s audio adventures aren?t canon, are they?

I watched a panel with Paul Cornell on canonicity at Novelcon (in Manchester, while most people were Dimension Jumping this year). He said he believes everything, ever is canoinical- 60s Dalek films, DIT, NA’s, EDA’s, Comics, Big Finish, Curse of Fatal Death, Shalka…the lot!

[genericnerdyusername]

So both Shada’s are canon? ;-)

[JamesTC]

>So both Shada?s are canon? ;-)

Quite easily. Tom did ‘Shada’ and then the events of ‘The Five Doctors’ changed history and made the Paul McGann version of ‘Shada’ possible.

As for wether the audios and all that are canon well Who has no canon really. You come up with your own personal continuity.

Frankly ‘Zagreus’ having Rassilon killed doesn’t really effect the new series because the guy Tennant calls Rassilon is never actually confirmed as THE Rassilon and even if he is then the Time Lords could have just brought him back using the Matrix.

[genericnerdyusername]

Just while I have the opportunity to tell this story about Paul McGann: Well… not really about him more about my mum. (Hey, it’s still interesting!) Sort of… Anyway, I went to Collectomania in Manchester a few years back, where Paul McGann was doing a Q&A (solo, as Colin Baker didn’t turn up for some reason, despite being in the same building) and my mum asked him if he enjoyed being the first Liverpudlian Doctor. He told her that Tom Baker was actually from Liverpool. There was about a minute silence, which is a long time when you’ve turned up to Collectomania with your mum who’s tried to make a joke but it’s back fired.
But it wasn’t as bad as the following year where Chris Barrie and Craig Charles were doing a Q&A and as we were leaving, we saw Craig lighting up a cigarette outside and my mum whipsered (capitals needed to emphasise the loudness of her whispering) “it’s Craig Charles… HE’S SMOKING :O”. He smiled and nodded in our direction, but at least that time my moment of slight embarrassment was halved as my brother had come that time too.
I rarely have an excuse to tell these sort of pointless stories so I’m going to go with my third and final one, which is just about how when at the first Collectomania I went to when Simon Pegg and Nick Frost were giving a talk about Hot Fuzz and at the end Nick was handing out t-shirts and my mum ran up to him waving in his face and saying “hellooooo” and he waved back in her face and went “helloooooo”. I suffered from chronic fan meltdown and tried to say something to Simon Pegg but all I could do was shake his hand and tremble “thank…you”. Since then I’ve lost a remarkable amount of respect for myself, I didn’t know I was such a weedy twat in front of celebrities I like.
I’m pretty sure I’d punch Tom Cruise in his stupid, tiny face if I ever met him though, even if I was hunted down by scientologists for the rest of my life.

[genericnerdyusername]

“Frankly ?Zagreus? having Rassilon killed doesn?t really effect the new series because the guy Tennant calls Rassilon is never actually confirmed as THE Rassilon and even if he is then the Time Lords could have just brought him back using the Matrix.”

Oh yeah and as for the Rassilon thing, I did sort of kinda think (I’m good at sentence structure at this time in the morning, eh?) that Tennant calling him Rassilon could’ve been a title or, as you say, that he’s been brought back using the Matrix in the form of a great actor Timothy Dalton instead of… I don’t think it’s controversial to say that Don Warrington can’t act; my family all agree that he can’t but I don’t know if people on here agree. Of course, I’m basing this purely on Rising Damp, I can’t really remember what he was like in Doctor Who (the TV and the audio adventure), and I don’t think he was bad in Dwarf, although you’ve got to admit (or not) that Craig is the reason his scene is funny.

[redhead85]

> Simon Pegg and Nick Frost were giving a talk about Hot Fuzz and at the end Nick was handing out t-shirts and my mum ran up to him waving in his face and saying ?hellooooo? and he waved back in her face and went ?helloooooo?. I suffered from chronic fan meltdown and tried to say something to Simon Pegg but all I could do was shake his hand and tremble ?thank?you?. Since then I?ve lost a remarkable amount of respect for myself, I didn?t know I was such a weedy twat in front of celebrities I like.

I go rather eccentric in front of celebrities.

The time I met Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, I was drinking in a pub near Oxford Street on a random weekday lunchtime with my two bosses and we were literally the only three people in the pub. I went up to the bar to order drinks and a guy walked in and stood at the bar next to me – Simon Pegg. I totally squee-d, shook his hand and introduced myself and told him I was a big Spaced fan and I was glad he was doing so well. He looked rather bemused at first but smiled and said thanks for liking his stuff from the beginning as t’were. I went back to my table and he ordered a couple of drinks. Just as I was wondering ‘why two drinks?’ in walks Nick Frost! I raise my drink to him and he smiles and waves back and the pair settle into their drinks.

‘Do you know them?’ my boss asks.

GAH! Stooopid people annoy me. ^__^

[genericnerdyusername]

“?Do you know them?? my boss asks.”

Out of interest, was this before Run Fatboy Run was released? I know Shaun of the Dead is still pretty much a cult film (although everyone I know has heard of it, so I may be wrong there) but since then he’s been in so many films that people should recognise him from adverts with or without beard.

Alas, I only came into Spaced after Shaun of the Dead, so though I may love everything Simon Pegg has done (except for the Big Nothing which I can’t bring myself to watch for fear of it being terrible) I can’t be called a true fan, the same way any Modest Mouse fan who started listening to them after their hit isn’t a true fan… which includes me again.

Hell, I don’t think I’ve followed ANYTHING from the beginning apart from the Inbetweeners, and I think I’ve already mentioned my claim to someone else’s fame within the past six hours so I won’t repeat myself.

Oh yeah, and I’m actually very jealous that you met him in a pub! A social arena of drinking instead of a mini convention… Seems more and IS more intimate. I spend a lot of time in pubs since all my friends are either alcoholics or alcoholic students, and the only person I’ve met in a pub is someone who claimed he was a rock icon from “back in the day”. This guy kept rabbiting on about having played with Joe Strummer or Ian Dury or someone with that sort of punk attitude.
I always try to downplay the fanboy part of my personality, and I’m often described as cynical about celebrities, but every time I meet someone I’ve admired from a TV screen I end up like Bernard Black when he meets that guy out of Green Wing playing that explorer. His name escapes me at the moment.

[Danny Stephenson]

that guy out of Green Wing playing that explorer. His name escapes me at the moment.

Julian Rhind-Tutt ‘is name is :D

[genericnerdyusername]

Julian Rhind-Tutt’s hair is inconsistent in style in the first episode of Green Wing, but consistent in sheer amazingness over the course of the episode. I can’t remember his hair in any other episode, I just remember noticing that there was a scene in the first series where his hair looked permed in a random scene, or something like that. I might be remembering wrong but I’m pretty sure it’s at least a little bit true.

[redhead85]

> Out of interest, was this before Run Fatboy Run was released?

Gahh…I can’t remember. I was working with those bosses from April 2007 – July 2008 so it would have been somewhere in between there I guess.

> I may love everything Simon Pegg has done (except for the Big Nothing which I can?t bring myself to watch for fear of it being terrible)

You MUST see the Big Nothing – it’s a fantastic film. A real thriller and keeps you guessing right up until the last 30 seconds of the film.

> Oh yeah, and I?m actually very jealous that you met him in a pub!

^__^ T’was great.

[Carlito]

> told him I was a big Spaced fan and I was glad he was doing so well. He looked rather bemused at first but smiled and said thanks for liking his stuff from the beginning as t?were

I was a fan of Pegg via We Know Where You Live, one of Channel 5’s early ‘nightly comedy’ installments… yeah, I was also one of maybe 5 people who would watch The Jack Docherty Show every night too.

Also, Big Train and his memorable appearance in I’m Alan Partridge all came before Spaced. Quite randomly, considering I thought very highly of Pegg, I only watched Spaced for the first time about a year ago.

Actually feeling a bit like Frank Doberman, the Self-Righteous Brother from Harry Enfield, for referring to the man simply as “Pegg” throughout this post. Oiii! Pegg! Noooo!

[Pete Part Three]

I’ve been a fan of Simon Pegg since I saw him in his school nativity play in 1976. He nailed the part of the Inn Keeper.

[Danny Stephenson]

I first really saw Simon Pegg in “Is it Bill Bailey” as the crap shepherd.

Why won’t they release this on DVD?

“I was sat in the living room, eating a potato waffle. My wife was enjoying a Pot Noodle, what flavour was it love, Beef and Tomato? Don’t be daft, woman, you’re allergic…”

I do love Big Train, though. Some brilliant ideas in there.

[redhead85]

> told him I was a big Spaced fan and I was glad he was doing so well. He looked rather bemused at first but smiled and said thanks for liking his stuff from the beginning as t?were

> Also, Big Train and his memorable appearance in I?m Alan Partridge all came before Spaced. Quite randomly, considering I thought very highly of Pegg, I only watched Spaced for the first time about a year ago.

His words, not mine. We were perhaps referring to the programmes where he was the main focus or co-writing in the earlier days, not every single entry on his IMDB page. Can’t stand those programmes anyways, although I did like The Day Today.

> I?ve been a fan of Simon Pegg since I saw him in his school nativity play in 1976. He nailed the part of the Inn Keeper.

He was robbed for the Best Supporting Actor Oscar that year.

[Seb Patrick]

Frankly ?Zagreus? having Rassilon killed doesn?t really effect the new series because the guy Tennant calls Rassilon is never actually confirmed as THE Rassilon and even if he is then the Time Lords could have just brought him back using the Matrix.

RTD confirms in The Writer’s Tale 2 : Electric Boogaloo that it is THE Rassilon, and that the Time Lords basically just brought back EVERYONE to fight in the Time War (including the Doctor’s mother).

[Phil1034]

> The Writer?s Tale 2

Worth getting if you’ve already got the first one? Or am I just going to grumble about duplicating content I already have?

[Andrew]

Titbits from the update book, please!

One assumes the ‘Doctor’s mother’ reference wraps up the identity of Wilf’s imaginary friend…?

[Seb Patrick]

>Worth getting if you?ve already got the first one?

God, yes.

[pfm]

Even if RTD suggests the Woman is the Doctor’s mother this is obviously not canon until it’s included in an episode sooooooo another writer could turn her into Susan, Romana, his daughter, anyone they liked.

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