The Spoilery Doctor Who Thread (The Next Doctor / Matt Smith casting)

[Seb Patrick]

That was… bloody lovely. Terrific stuff, and everything a Christmas special should be. The disappointment at yet another lack of a decent big villain reveal (like last year’s crappy one) when the nature of the “Cyber King” was announced was… well, it was pretty massively dispelled by what happened later.

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[si]

I don’t want Paterson Joseph. :-(

[JamesTC]

>They?ve got some pretty good ins with the production and have – perhaps sadly –
>been right much more often than they?ve been wrong.
But they should never be wrong, they ae meant to be supplying infomation, if that infomation is wrong then what are people paying for, maybe they need an apology page.
Besides why do they need to talk about Who, why can’t they print actual news which doesn’t involve TV or breasts.

[Jonathan Capps]

I’m going a bit mad posting everything I hear, as i hear it, everywhere but this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2009/jan/02/new-doctor-who

… is interesting.

“it is not someone you will have heard of”

[Andrew]

> But they should never be wrong, they ae meant to be supplying infomation, if that infomation is wrong then what are people paying for, maybe they need an apology page.

Yes, newspapers should never be wrong. Old people should be looked after, neighbours should keep their music down and people should only post online if they have something wise to impart. But in the meantime, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that there are bigger problems in modern tabloid journalism than stories about the new Doctor Who based on misinterpreted releases.

G&T will, I’m sure, be picking up all sorts of rumours during the new Dwarf production. Knowing these guys, it’ll be safely couched as ‘this might suggest’ phrasing, but they don’t have profits to go after. When a source who’s been right most of the time brings you another good story, you run it. Being ‘mostly right’ will have to do for now. After all, whose life is seriously, detrimentally affected by a duff Who rumour?

> Besides why do they need to talk about Who, why can?t they print actual news which doesn?t involve TV or breasts.

Newspapers are a business.

[JamesTC]

Newspapers are desperate, they are quickly becoming obsolete.

[Tarka Dal]

I still want it to be Chitewel Ejiofor and failing that Paterson Joseph. If neither of those I think I could well be dissapointed.

I suppose it’s best that we find out now as it’ll all be done and dusted and all the focus can shift back on to Tennant’s depature.

There was an interesting bit from RTD the other day proclaiming that no one seemed to be discussing who the next companion was going to be and that although ‘Planet of the Dead’ didn’t feature one, the remaining three episodes would do. Could all be bollocks of course, but it is interesting. After all with the showrunner, the production team AND of course The Doctor changing over between 4.18 and 5.1 any new companion would be the one consistent.

Does anyone know if Murray Gold is staying on for Series Five?

[JamesTC]

RTD has changed his tune, in DWM he said the last special had an old companion and ‘Planet of the Dead’ would have a young companion, I think it was DWM 402.

[Jonathan Capps]

> Does anyone know if Murray Gold is staying on for Series Five?

I remember an old DWM interview where he said he’d leave with RTD and co. It remains to be seen whether he’ll make good on his word. I’d certainly like to see someone else give the music a go, as good Murray can be.

[Tarka Dal]

Oh Capps stop being right! I got all loved up on Murray Gold’s scores during The Prom yesterday, but of course someone else could be just as good, if not better.

[Jonathan Capps]

I’ve heard how fantastic that Prom show was, actually, so I’m looking forward to watching it.

I just think Murray would be leaving while he was ahead, as he’s written some amazing themes over the years, and I’d see some of the staler tendencies starting to take over more with time.

[JamesTC]

All I want in terms of music for series 5 is a change in theme, I liked it in 2005, once it reached ‘Voyage of the Damned’ they ruined it.

[Jonathan Capps]

Well, if Murray goes we’ll definitely get a new arrangement. That’s arguably as exciting as having a new Doctor and head writer!

[Tarka Dal]

I *really* want a new Tardis interior.

Although I’m not sure when they would bring this in. Either it’d have to during Tennant’s final adventures – in which case it wouldn’t be the 11th Doctor’s console room OR at the very start of Series 5. In which case it would be likely some time had elapsed between regeneration and 5.1

Actually I wonder if we will see ’11’ at the end of RTD’s reign or will we not see ’11’ until the opening moments of 5.1?

[JamesTC]

If they have casted the actor already I think its safe to say he will appear at the end of 4.18.

[Seb Patrick]

The fact that shops were getting rid of their last remaining console room playsets for ?15 a pop earlier this year suggests that we will get a new one under Moffat.

Or… ooh! Hasn’t RTD said that (at least) one of the specials will feature the Doctor travelling without the TARDIS? So maybe something happens to it, and that’s where we get a new console…

I hope so, though. The current one was great for the time, and a necessary bit of reinvention (they did so much right with it, such as what they did with the doors, and making it actually feel like the thing was being piloted), but I’d like something new. And preferably a bit lighter and whiter – like the current room looked in that weird early promo shot that I Probably Couldn’t Find If I Looked but which made it look more like the old one.

[Andrew]

> The fact that shops were getting rid of their last remaining console room playsets for ?15 a pop earlier this year suggests that we will get a new one under Moffat.

In another 18 months’ time, though. I don’t buy that as the reason. Surely it’s just they’ve been out forever and prices eventually have to come down.

[JamesTC]

I saw a broken cassandra the other day in Woolworths for a pound after the money was taken off, I didn’t buy one, ?1 is too much, nobody was buying any, it was the only figure that was on the shelf, they had about twenty of them.

[Andrew]

A quid? Ah, this must mean they’re planning to redesign Cassandra! :-)

[JamesTC]

Either that or nobody wants a broken cassandra, the only people I can see buying it are collectors.

[Dave]

>I don?t want Paterson Joseph. :-(

Me either

[Rad]

Yeah, I’m not too enthusiastic about Paterson Joseph. But I’ve only seen him in Hyperdrive, Survivors and doing a ghastly American accent in Jekyll. I’ve not seen Neverwhere.

The MediaGuardian website is listing Chiwetel Ejiofor as one of the candidates but I don’t see that happening. He would definitely satisy a lot of camps if he was though – a serious actor and appeared in Serenity.

[Pete Part Three]

Well, it doesn’t sound like it’s Patterson Joseph…

[Michael Warren]

We’re going to go through all ten of them before we get there, aren’t we?

[Pete Part Three]

…sounds like Matt Smith.

[Pete Part Three]

Looks like Matt Smith. Or Crispin Glover.

[Tanya Jones]

And it is. I have absolutely no idea who he is, though, so can’t pass comment.

[Michael Warren]

Quite amusing that they filmed two different versions of DT’s “beginning of the end” line there…

And, yes, I’d never heard of him either, never seen him in anything…

[TheLeen]

Now I feel old.

[Al]

Should be interesting – H e seems to have no lips however…..

Also, they love that Thnks Fr Th Mmrs montage dont they.

[Jonathan Capps]

He looks and sounds like a foppish rugby player. And he better sort that fucking hair out before filming.

Fuck.

[ChrisM]

>Now I feel old.

Heh. I just said something similar on another board. (Referring to myself I mean. I wouldn’t talk about you like that. ;) )

I don’t really know him, although his face is vaguely familiar.

I did see part of that Victorian drama he was in with Billie Piper too, but I didn’t put the faces together.

I have my doubts, but I don’t know him so… we’ll see. He looks the part with his black outfit anyway.

I’m glad they gave an unknown the chance. It’s good to see the new up-and-comers are getting a chance.

[Pete Part Three]

I have a feeling he’ll be bloody good.

But I was concerned that Moffat likes his hair too. It’s a bit of a mess.

He’s also got an amazingly small face. I wonder if he has trouble eating Giant Smarties.

[Rad]

Yeah, there’s no reason it shouldn’t work out. It might not but at this stage I’m okay with it. Though there is something irritating about the kind of self-congratulation we’re getting in this programme 15 months before we really see the new Doctor in action, 6 months before they start filming and probably still while the new Doctor is starting to be defined. ‘He’s the one isn’t he?’ – save it for an edition of Series 5 Doctor Who Confidential.

[Al]

Moffat has hair like an action man

[Smeg4Brains]

> Moffat has hair like an action man

I knew I recognised it from somewhere.

And I’ve never really seen Matt in action but from those clips they showed, I’m rather happy with the choice.

[TheLeen]

I was secretly rooting for Chiwetel Ejiofor.

Oh well. I have some faith in the makes of Who. They probably picked the right person. Or one of the many that would have been right. I think I’ll be… carefully optimistic.

[Dave]

I didn’t like him in Ruby In The Smoke, but I saw the understudy run of That Face (which therefore he wasn’t in) and he had a very demanding part and got very good reviews.

I’m keeping an open mind. I’m trying not to think he’s too young.

[hummingbird]

I have absolutely no idea who the guy is, hence I have no opinion at all.

Although I’m rather disturbed that they’re going for younger and younger doctors.

[James]

It’s funny some of you say you haven’t heard of him, but in the Movie thread, you mention in Bruges. He played young Harry.

[Seb Patrick]

>It?s funny some of you say you haven?t heard of him, but in the Movie thread, you mention in Bruges. He played young Harry.

I honestly don’t even remember where or in what context a young version of Harry appeared (Ralph Fiennes as the adult version is only in it for about ten minutes or so), or whether he had any dialogue, so it’s hardly a surprise that no-one would go “Oh! THAT Matt Smith!”

[Seb Patrick]

>Who has a bright future wants up-his-arse RTD leaves

Yeah, the future is so bright, much brigher than a past in which it’s become the biggest programme on British TV, where a casting announcement holds the country in its thrall and is front page national news, where it tops the weekly ratings for the first time in its history, and where it includes episodes such as “Blink”, “Human Nature” and “Midnight”.

[JamesTC]

It is popular and I higly enjoy it but I hate RTD as a person, I will be much happier when he is far away from the show so I don’t have to here is up-he-arse comments about how great he is and how great the show is because it is all him being up his arse.
Oh and ‘Blink’ was barely average if you ask me, the show is not called The amazing adventure of Sally Sparrow and co, I want to see the Doctor! And please, it is easy to blink one eye at a time, try it.
‘Human Nature’ was based on a virgin novel, hardly an original idea but a great two parter.
‘Midnight’ was repetitive and boring and too unoriginal for me.
Lets name more popular episodes of the new series –
‘Dalek’ – Based on an audio called ‘Jubilee’, it was about half as good.
‘Doomsday’ – Hoover! I would like to re-name it “Canon Fodder of the Daleks’. RTD has actually said in an interview that this episode was to show how much better the Dalek swere to the Cybermen, shame he didn’t use the Cybermen, he used some weird alternative robot.
‘The Empty Child’ – Brilliant, you can see why Moffat is getting the job.
‘Girl in the Fireplace’ – Brilliant, you can see why Moffat is getting the job.
‘Silence in the Library’ – Do I have to say it again.

Lest we not forget the biggest punch in teh face for every hardcore Doctor Who fan in the shit fest that was ‘Last of the Time Lords’, hello gollum, my you look like David Tennant, hello Jesus, my you look like David Tennant. Lets all think world peace at the same time all across the world and see if it happens.

As much as it seems I dis-like the new series I do enjoy it, I look forward to 2010 alot. It is just annoying because I enjoy the Confidential show and it is full of RTD comments which are just him being up his own arse. He is a good writer as long as he sticks to small scale character driven plots, he needs some original ideas though.

[JamesTC]

He seems to be alot like McGann, maybe it is just me hoping but I think he will be a mix of Davison and McGann. Funny on certain forums they are saying he is too young when Davison was only a couple of years older, I doubt they would have liked anyone who took the part unless it was Tennant’s evil twin brother or Billie Piper.

Well its got me exited, Who has a bright future once up-his-arse RTD leaves, I was never so bitter to RTD until I listened to Big Finish Audio and saw just how much he steals.

[hummingbird]

> It?s funny some of you say you haven?t heard of him, but in the Movie thread, you mention in Bruges. He played young Harry.

I honestly don’t remember him.

> Funny on certain forums they are saying he is too young when Davison was only a couple of years older

He’s not “too young”, it’s just that I would have welcomed a more mature actor.
Someone said earlier in the thread that’d they’d like to see another grandfather figure, and I agree. Far more interesting.

[JamesTC]

While I would like a grandfather figure I doubt it would work in modern day Who, the audience would go crazy, especially the fan-girls.

[JamesTC]

I quite like this – http://thisisnotthedoctor.ytmnd.com/

[Seb Patrick]

but I hate RTD as a person, I will be much happier when he is far away from the show so I don?t have to here is up-he-arse comments about how great he is and how great the show is because it is all him being up his arse.

Sigh. Alright. You’ve got a perception of him (although saying you “hate him as a person” when you’ve never met him is a bit rich) that’ll probably never change, although if you read the Writer’s Tale you’d know that underneath all that bombast (which is a quite deliberate put-on in order to help boost the show in a promotional sense – and besides, the very concept of a modest writer is a self-defeating one. We feign self-deprecation but if we didn’t think what we did was any good, we wouldn’t be putting it out there) is a human being with as many insecurities and neuroses as anyone else.

The RTD that you see in Confidential is as much a fictional creation as a certain Time Lord that he writes about.

Oh and ?Blink? was barely average if you ask me

And with that you’ve just lost the right to talk to me.

?Human Nature? was based on a virgin novel, hardly an original idea but a great two parter.

… scripted by the person that wrote the original.

?Midnight? was repetitive and boring and too unoriginal for me.

What was unoriginal about it?

?Dalek? – Based on an audio called ?Jubilee?, it was about half as good.

… scripted by the person that wrote the original.

[JamesTC]

Oh and just because I don’t like ‘Blink’ you think my opinion is no longer valid, we are all different, if we were all the same ‘ME2’ would happen. I think ‘Blink’ would probably be average for me if it wasn’t so overhyped, to me I watch Who to see that over-active alien from Gallifrey, not some bird (that is a double entendre) scared of statues, I do understand what that episode was about but I just didn’t find it entertaining in the end, I guess when Who tries to be out-right scary I just lose interest.

[JamesTC]

They are written by the same guy in each cases but why? Why not get the guy who written ‘Jubilee’ and say write something original, I hate them re-making previous Who, why re-make it when you have a universe of ideas to explore.

‘Midnight’ was alot like ‘The Edge of Destruction’ in that an unknown alien was outside the ship and attacking, the crew aboard become suspicious of each other.

I have never met RTD but comments from him about people on message boards who don’t like his episodes are just, well, it is a bit up his arse of him to say we can’t not like his episode and discuss it isn’t it?

[pfm]

Probably best if this thread dies now.

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