Twitter never ceases to amaze me…

[Ben Kirkham]

A few years ago, being able to talk to your idols on a regular basis would have been tricky. Now, we have Twitter. Brilliant! But it’s relentlessly spoiled by feeble-minded morons who should keep their opinions to themselves rather than directly insulting someone’s hard work.

From Doug Naylor’s Twitter page, Oct 15th, somebody wrote:

“People who watch Red Dwarf out of choice need to have a long hard look at themselves.”

Doug’s reply: “Sold more Videos + DVDs than any Brit comedy. Highest ever ratings on BBC2 + Dave. An Emmy. MIMOP a fan. Maybe it’s U?”

Then: “doesn’t change the fact that it’s shit. justin bieber sells millions of albums and people think his music’s shit.”

Doug’s reply: “Why do people buy his music if they think it’s shit?”

Then: “you’re missing the point. it doesn’t matter how much you’ve sold, it’s still shit.”

*sigh*

[Ben Kirkham]

I’m beginning to understand why Steven Moffat closed his account.

[Jo]

I was all set to agree with you, but to be fair to the original tweeter he didn’t @reply or even # his tweet. Doug must’ve been searching for “Red Dwarf” and made the choice to reply to it.

In the same way I (as TORDFC) got stuck in a long debate about whether RDX uses canned laughter, I corrected someone who was complaining about it after finding them in a “Red Dwarf” twitter search. It wanted to smash my head against a brick wall by the end of it, but it was entirely my own fault, I should’ve just left her to her misinformed opinion!

[Ben Kirkham]

“I was all set to agree with you, but to be fair to the original tweeter he didn’t @reply or even # his tweet. Doug must’ve been searching for “Red Dwarf” and made the choice to reply to it.”

Ah, I see, Jo. Thank you for clearing that up. :)

I think sometimes with social networking it’s so easy to get involved in a slanging match with someone. Internet trolls use the anonymity of their computer to hide behind. Makes you wonder if they’d have the courage to say it to the person face-to-face.

[Ridley]

A few years ago, being able to talk to your idols on a regular basis would have been tricky. Now, we have Twitter.

They ignore me either way!

Who or what is MIMOP?

[Ben Kirkham]

“Who or what is MIMOP?”

I’ve been trying to figure this out, too. Any ideas anyone?

[Ian Symes]

Massively Irritating Man Of Pecos.

[Jo]

You know, mimop! Like: “I’ve lost mipea!”

[CackThosePants]

“Sold more Videos + DVDs than any Brit comedy”

Surely OFAH has done better?

Anyway biggest cunt on twitter. Ricky Gervais.

[Nick R]

Well Linwood Boomer produced the American pilot… so maybe it’s “Malcolm In Middle Original Producer a fan”?

[Pongo]

Maybe Doug should spend more time on scripts rather than Twitter. But who am I to complain? MIMOP’s a fan.

[Seb Patrick]

“Sold more Videos + DVDs than any Brit comedy”
Surely OFAH has done better?

Not sure about more recent DVD figures, but Dwarf was a VHS behemoth back in the day. RD and Mr Bean were the biggest selling comedy videos in the UK by quite a considerable margin from everything else.

[NoFro]

Does OFAH have much of an international audience?

[Pete Part Three]

>Who or what is MIMOP?

I actually googled this last night as I thought I was missing something obvious. I found…nothing.

Doug should probably stay away from the search button if he doesn’t want a slanging match with armchair critics (which, on various topics, everyone on Twitter is). The Moff was getting nasty stuff @-directed which is something else entirely.

[CackThosePants]

Mind you OFAH is not worth getting on dvd as it’s cut in some episodes and library music has replaced some of the soundtrack. The worst example being the music that plays when Rodney looks at Damian. Beeb can’t be arsed to pay for the rights. TV though it’s still uncut in the evening onwards.

[Jonathan Capps]

> Beeb can’t be arsed to pay for the rights.

Yes, it’ll definitely be as simple as that.

[Jo]

Doug should probably stay away from the search button if he doesn’t want a slanging match with armchair critics (which, on various topics, everyone on Twitter is). The Moff was getting nasty stuff @-directed which is something else entirely.

Don’t get me wrong, Doug gets plenty of stuff directly @replied to him too, just not in this case.

[CackThosePants]

^ What else could it be?

[StephenSimpson]

Not surprised he’s actively looking for “Red Dwarf” opinion. But shame he took it upon himself to answer. But you can see his obvious love & passion for the show.

[CackThosePants]

Doug should have just ignored the guy unless it was Rob Grant fucking around.

[Katydid]

That would be amazingly hilarious.

[Ben Paddon]

What else could it be?

There are literally dozens of other reasons the Beeb might have been unwilling or unable to license the music for the DVD release. Stop being such a testicle.

[CackThosePants]

> There are literally dozens of other reasons the Beeb might have been unwilling or unable to license the music for the DVD release. Stop being such a testicle.

They had no problem doing it on VII & VIII for example, even a Doctor Who episode which had a Beatles song. Stop being such a bunghole.

[JamesTC]

They had no problem doing it on VII & VIII for example, even a Doctor Who episode which had a Beatles song. Stop being such a bunghole.

Yet they had problems clearing music for:
Red Dwarf: Series V
Doctor Who: Revelation of the Daleks

It is almost as if it is a complicated issue and not easily sorted out.

Also, stop being such a testicle.

[Ben Kirkham]

CackThosePants,

Read this. Educate yourself. Stop being a bunghole.

And a testicle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_licensing

[Jonathan Capps]

> They had no problem doing it on VII & VIII for example

That was either library music, or original Goodall tracks which would’ve been owned by the BBC.

[CackThosePants]

> That was either library music, or original Goodall tracks which would’ve been owned by the BBC.

Deep Forest and that Pulp Fiction song are hardly library music are they? I bet the Pulp Fiction one wasn’t cheap either considering it was everywhere in the second half of the 90’s. Probably more but I can’t be arsed.

* Don’t think I didn’t notice the 3 posts above were made in the space of 12 minutes…..

[pfm]

It’s from Reservoir Dogs. If that’s ‘Little Green Bag’ you’re referring to.

[Danny Stephenson]

Also it’s worth noting that at the time, VII and VIII were made under the BBC, which pay a blanket fee to the Big Four (or it the Big Three, it’s probably One now isn’t it…) in order for usage, but I know not of what happens when you wish to sell the product on DVD, but it’s one reason as to why music that would normally be expensive to license, isn’t.

[CackThosePants]

> It’s from Reservoir Dogs. If that’s ‘Little Green Bag’ you’re referring to

Yeh that’s it. That scene for me was Red Dwarf at it’s lowest point!

[Danny Stephenson]

It’s from Reservoir Dogs. If that’s ‘Little Green Bag’ you’re referring to.

George Baker, we’ll put that one on the board. ‘Ba-ker’.and… bramble-picker, Don’t know where that one came from…

[genericnerdyusername]

> Yeh that’s it. That scene for me was Red Dwarf at it’s lowest point!

See ya in 10 minutes?

[Jonathan Capps]

> * Don’t think I didn’t notice the 3 posts above where made in the space of 12 minutes.

Er, well done?

[Mr-Stabby]

I feel for Doug and other people like Steven Moffat. You can get all the praise in the world from hundreds of people on twitter, but it just takes one cunt to totally ruin it . By all means be critical in a constructive way, or just say you weren’t a fan, but to actively insult it AND the people who watch it makes you a special kind of douche.

One thing i’ve noticed actually (though it’s not always the case but often is) is that people who like something or who have constructive criticism will often put ‘I thought it was great’ or ‘i think that’ whereas people who pointlessly insult something will often state their opinion as fact. ‘It was shit’ ‘That was the worst piece of TV ever made’. That kind of thing. Says something about the commenter.

[Ben Paddon]

Sigh. This is the problem with an old show coming back – you get people like CackThosePants coming into forums and making incredibly stupid blanket statements, acting as though they know everything about a subject simply because they have an opinion, and all it does it oh, now I understand why TF2 players hated the game going free-to-play.

[CackThosePants]

Sigh. G&T regulars never cease to amaze me…

[clem]

> bramble-picker, Don’t know where that one came from…

The Big Issue! It’s like Bunty, only written by tramps.

[Ben Paddon]

Sigh. G&T regulars never cease to amaze me…

Which begs the question: Why the bloody Hell do you hang out here?

[si]

The scintillating conversation, I suspect. ;)

[Reece]

The excitement and adventure and really wild things.

[CackThosePants]

> Which begs the question: Why the bloody Hell do you hang out here?

lol @ Reece.

[Ben Kirkham]

* Don’t think I didn’t notice the 3 posts above were made in the space of 12 minutes…..”

Your point being?

[CackThosePants]

> Your point being?

That I noticed 3 posts in the space of 12 minutes. Duh.

[genericnerdyusername]

I noticed something similar today.

It wasn’t interesting, either.

[CackThosePants]

> I noticed something similar today. It wasn’t interesting, either.

Skidmarks?

[genericnerdyusername]

CackThosePants has ceased to amaze me.

[CackThosePants]

> CackThosePants has ceased to amaze me.

I’m not here for your entertainment. Just my own and the others in my wing.

[Pecospete666]

Here’s the Q&A I got with Danny
     
Pecospete,
Your Tweet got a reply!  
     
Pecospete @pecospete_666 25 Oct
@DannyJohnJules Whos the hottest babe you worked with on RD
Danny John-Jules
@DannyJohnJules
@pecospete_666 Kit in the Tongue-Tied video
09:14 PM – 25 Oct 12

     
Pecospete,
Your Tweet got a reply!  
     
Pecospete @pecospete_666 25 Oct
@DannyJohnJules Can you still catch the CHICKEN MARANGO ?
Danny John-Jules
@DannyJohnJules
@pecospete_666 Blindfolded
08:58 PM – 25 Oct 12

     
Pecospete,
Your Tweet got a reply!  
     
Pecospete @pecospete_666 25 Oct
@DannyJohnJules How many WOOFERS do you think are in the bin?
Danny John-Jules
@DannyJohnJules
@pecospete_666 S*** loads
08:55 PM – 25 Oct 12

[si]

Hey, Pecospete – did any of your Tweets get replies?

[Pecospete666]

Yes, they are there! Their’s 2 more I did not post yet about bikes and drinks. I did not see any other questions from others!

[genericnerdyusername]

You’re a funny little man, Pecospete666.

[Ben Paddon]

Oh, Peceospette666. I love you more than the moon, and the stars, and the POETIC IMAGE NUMBER 37 NOT FOUND.

[Dax101]

i see doug has had another arguement/dispute on twitter, it doesn’t seem very professional of doug to argue and praise his own show as a come back

surely if you are happy with the show you don’t need to prove anything to anyone =/

[Ridley]

The dig at Strangerers and Dark Ages is… interesting.

[pfm]

I think Doug mentioned them to make it even more obvious that the guy didn’t have a clue what he was talking about. My guess is that Rob doesn’t even think too highly of how those series’ turned out, but this isn’t really the time to be discussing that (seperate thread, methinks, Strangerers is definitely worth talking about…I always think of it as Rob’s VIII, but…anyway)

Yeah, no, yeah Doug didn’t need to carry on arguing with that dickhead, though I can understand why he did. I know I wouldn’t have been able to keep my mouth shut after the ‘dry rape’ comment…

[Ian Symes]

i see doug has had another arguement/dispute on twitter, it doesn’t seem very professional of doug to argue and praise his own show as a come back

Doug is a human being.

[Jo]

i see doug has had another arguement/dispute on twitter, it doesn’t seem very professional of doug to argue and praise his own show as a come back

Doug is a human being.

This.

Also in fairness to Doug, this Charmantides twat *is* one of the morons that Ben was talking about when he started this thread – who decided to directly @reply insults at both Doug and Bobby Llew – Doug didn’t go looking for him and he didn’t reply to anywhere close to all the abuse hurled at him.

[Pecospete666]

Charmantides must of delete his tweets,I only see Doug And Bobby reply.

[Pete Part Three]

Nope. https://twitter.com/Charmantides

[Dax101]

Charmantides:‏
And how many of the ditzy posh birds you have turning up in the middle of deep space felt your balls for the privilege?

Doug Naylor:
‏Please RT this short film about Prostate Cancer by @PhilipBloom. Thanks. http://is.gd/RGvkHd tWsF Glad you’re enjoying RDX

Charmantides:
‏Your preoccupation with the human or even android fundament knows no bounds.

Doug Naylor :‏
Oh, but it does have bounds as I don’t have the ability to talk out of my fundament, unlike you.

Charmantides :‏
In b4 another health and safety gag.

Doug Naylor ‏:
@bobbyllew Seen this guys. http://www.starburstmagazine.com/reviews/television-reviews/3804-tv-review-red-dwarf-x-episode-4-entangled …

DougRDNaylor :
Poor retort, needs work. Very weak. And you with all your degrees. Have you got a career yet?

Charmantides ‏:
Thinking about asking DAVE to help me dry rape a beloved british institution since my writing partner went on to better things

Charmantides:
Think you could help with that?

‏Charmantides:
Admittedly I haven’t got a son to produce it for me. And I have standards of decency but I heard the money is passable.

‏DougRDNaylor:
They’ll never let you as you’ve already shown you have no clue about comedy. See your last retort.

‏Charmantides :
And yet they let you screen a man miming drying spoons with his arse and some 10 year old nonsense about health and safety.

Charmantides :
Canny of Norman not to join in the dry humping of your past glories Means like your 4th wall breaking failure X can be ignored

‏DougRDNaylor :
Reading your tweets I would say you haven’t got standards of decency. Or many friends.

‏Charmantides:
Perhaps I do have integrity however. And more than one idea which is quickly turning into an embaressment even for a DAVE show

‏DougRDNaylor :
Failure? BTE is the biggest rated show in Dave’s history and was nominated for program of the year, it lost to The Wire.

‏Charmantides :
How gutted were you when you realised Rob was the funny one? How gutted were the guys at DAVE when they realised it?

‏DougRDNaylor :
What’s really embarrassing is you’ve got all those degrees and you can’t spell ’embarrassment’.

DougRDNaylor:
I venture to suggest that the font of @charmantides ‘ quibbles may be that he’s a cock on a stick

‏DougRDNaylor
I’m guessing you’re a big Strangerers fan? And a big Dark Ages fan too? Am I right?

Charmantides:
‏ Not guilty. Unlike you I do not tend to be so obvious about books I have read and misunderstood.

[JamesTC]

Cock on a stick.

[Pecospete666]

He’s some kind of stalking fan!

[Ben Kirkham]

“Charmantides ‏:
Thinking about asking DAVE to help me dry rape a beloved british institution since my writing partner went on to better things”

What a vile thing to say. Good to see Doug wiping the floor with him, though.

[fozzibear1]

I see both points of view to be honest, I can see why he would but i can also see why some are questioning.

Afterall Doug Naylor isn’t the sort to try and pretend he has never made mistakes, he has always been quite open about errors and poor choices so it seems like a bit of a pointless arguement

eg

twits twit – some of this stuff is crap

dougs twit – really did you figure that all by yourself or did you have help? what part didn’t you like

twits twit – i was being kind its all crap

dougs twit – oh I see a master of critical analysis, tell you what unless you can pay for a movie F off

seems like he can pretty much shut it down quickly if he chose lol

[Jo]

I see both points of view to be honest, I can see why he would but i can also see why some are questioning.

You can see the point of view of some dickhead who thinks it’s fine and dandy to anonymously abuse someone about their work over the internet?

seems like he can pretty much shut it down quickly if he chose lol

Yeah, really it’s all Doug’s fault isn’t it? FFS.

[Jonathan Capps]

You can see the point of view of some dickhead who thinks it’s fine and dandy to anonymously abuse someone about their work over the internet?

I thought fozzibear meant he can see why some would say Doug should’ve ignored him, not that he can see Charmantides’ point of view.

Personally, I think it was all worth it for Doug’s responses. I would’ve questioned him even acknowledging this dick if he wasn’t so obviously in control of the whole situation.

[Jo]

I thought fozzibear meant he can see why some would say Doug should’ve ignored him, not that he can see Charmantides’ point of view.

Well, then… that’s fine! ;)

I think it’s very easy for people to say “just ignore it”, when it’s not them who is receiving a torrent of abuse about something they’ve worked incredibly hard on! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, like it don’t like it… whatever, but some people seem to think that because of Twitter, they now have the right to verbally attack someone just because they don’t like their work.

[Jonathan Capps]

Iain Lee was fucking asking for it, mind.

[Jo]

You didn’t directly @ tweet him though, he vanity searched. My point still stands!

[Stilianides]

> Afterall Doug Naylor isn’t the sort to try and pretend he has never made mistakes, he has always been quite open about errors and poor choices so it seems like a bit of a pointless arguement

Much as I admire Doug and happily say that he seems like a really nice guy, I`m not sure he is so open about mistakes he has made. He does seem sensitive to criticism (understandably) and in the documentaries very often blames Rob/the director/the budget/the BBC/Chloe etc. rather than admitting any mistakes. Often I`m sure these are accurate though. In his recent comments about the movie he also blames other people for telling him to ask for too big a budget rather than taking any responsibility himself. I digress anyway…

I can understand again Doug getting involved in this but as so many genuine fans must ask him questions about the show it`s a shame that he would waste his time with a troll. The references to Rob`s solo work are a little unfortunate too.

[pfm]

> and in the documentaries very often blames Rob/the director/the budget/the BBC/Chloe etc. rather than admitting any mistakes.

The budget, maybe, but the others? I’d like to see an example of where he ‘blames’ Rob…

> The references to Rob`s solo work are a little unfortunate too.

Rob has slagged VII in the past (can’t for the life of me remember when or in what context) and he said he didn’t even watch VIII. IMO that makes it alright for Doug to comment on Rob’s series’ (which, afaik, he never has up until now, though someone else might know different).

[Stilianides]

> The budget, maybe, but the others? I’d like to see an example of where he ‘blames’ Rob…

As I said, I`m sure most of the things Doug says are true such as `Rob didn`t want to re-write The End` or `It was Rob`s idea to do Waiting for God`. Doug`s comments on the Series II DVD about, `Rob always said that we should forget about continuity if we can improve the show` are ironic though as in his episode of Carpool Rob Grant says the exact opposite.

Again though I`m not trying to be negative about Doug because he is clearly a good guy but it is a trait that I picked up from the DVDs that he does seem sensitive to criticism. The only time I can remember him taking responsibility for something was the two additional Skutters in the remastered. As Series VII, VIII and BTE have received a lot of criticism that makes sense and I completely understand why he might be defensive. It also shows why the comments about Rob leaving may have touched a nerve though.

> Rob has slagged VII in the past (can’t for the life of me remember when or in what context) and he said he didn’t even watch VIII. IMO that makes it alright for Doug to comment on Rob’s series’ (which, afaik, he never has up until now, though someone else might know different).

I do think that context is everything here.

Rob was asked in a radio interview what he thought about Series VII and VIII and so answered.

Doug didn`t have to comment at all here and has no connection to Dark Ages/The Strangerers (whereas Rob will always have a connection to the characters that he co-created).

[fozzibear1]

Johnathan was right about my meaning.

Now I havent seen any of the twits beyond the few i’ve seen posted here. I have about as much interest in Twitter as a man with no arms would be in a new pair of gloves.

Mind you i’m a trekky who was posting to usenet during the entirety of modern treks run. You want fan over reactions, The show editor only had to miss something as small as Brent Spiner accidentally slipping in a verbal contraction for people to be calling for plagues and famines to be wished on Rick Berman.

[Dax101]

Really there is a difference between rob saying stuff about series 7 and 8 considering he was co-creator and red dwarf was his baby also but for doug to say stuff about robs solo work is abit harsh or even childish

the only thing i can remember rob ever saying is series 7 was like watching an ex wifes honeymoon video and that there was nothing in it for him and that he had to be drunk in order to like it

but of course doug is the main writer of red dwarf and fans are loyal to the show and everyone involved so everyone doesn’t wanna see doug in a bad light, which is understandable

[genericnerdyusername]

Tbf, Rob was asked about his opinion on VII and VIII directly, whereas Doug wasn’t. However, that Charmantides is a fucking cock.

[genericnerdyusername]

As in, Doug wasn’t asked his opinion on Rob’s solo work directly. Not that it makes a difference…

I forgot why I thought this was important.

[Pecospete666]

This Charmantides has some serious Wackjobs following him!
He reminds me of Charley Manson!

[Paul Muller]

I stupidly had a bit of a pop at him on Twitter, and received a charming retort mentioning my ‘paedophile goatee’. I can take comfort in the knowledge that he’s clearly a sad little prick with no friends.

[Paul Muller]

Have just read that back and realised it sounds rather bitter. I just find it a bit rich that for all his cod-intellectual droning, the best he can manage is to pick on someone’s appearance, especially when he’s hiding behind a mask of anonymity himself. Anyway, I’m done with the fucker.

[Seb Patrick]

It can’t be that “beloved” a British institution if he hates one of the creators so much.

Also, anybody anywhere loses any argument whatsoever as soon as they decide to bring the “rape” metaphor into it.

[Seb Patrick]

He’s also clearly someone who thinks he’s more intelligent than he is. Nevertheless, I raised a wry smile at this comment, which he said to someone in relation to something else entirely;

Consequence of interacting with your audience: They feel entitled.

[pfm]

> Also, anybody anywhere loses any argument whatsoever as soon as they decide to bring the “rape” metaphor into it.

Let’s just see where Disney take Star Wars before we draw a solid line under that……;)

No, the only time I’ve found that even mildly amusing was in the South Park episode. Though surely the key thing is that this guy was saying this to Doug directly. Childish doesn’t even cover that.

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