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  • #251806
    Dave
    Participant

    Sir Danzig?

    #251807
    clem
    Participant

    Rather less well than another horse would.

    #251839
    RealBigOleDummy
    Participant

    Why is Red Dwarf painted red everywhere but where the name is? I mean…….. a red spaceship is all fine and dandy but why have a huge splotch of white just so you can paint the name in red. A totally red ship with a white name would still be a red spaceship after all.

    #251841
    (deleted)
    Member

    A wizard did it.

    #251843

    It’s so the name is red. We’d be asking “why is the word red in white?” if it was the other way around.

    #251844
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    Wasn’t it so that Rob and Doug never actually intendend for the ship to be painted red.

    #251884
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    It looks better, tbh

    #253075
    tombow
    Participant

    In Timeslides I thought they should get a photo of Earth from space, project it large in the hangar and fly Starbug through it

    #253077

    If always took “the frame” of the photo to mean you couldn’t move around in depth either. If it can’t been seen in the photo you can’t go there. So you might be able to go into orbit around Earth, but not land because none of the surface is in clear focus.

    #253080
    Lily
    Participant

    But Rimmer walks around inside Lister’s mansion. The whole building is in the frame so it must allow for depth.

    On a separate note, after just re-watching that scene with Ruby Wax, I’ve literally only just got the joke about ‘never short of an ashtray in his house’. Singles were on cassettes in my day, I’d forgotten about vinyl.

    #253081

    I would also presume that they have a photo of inside the mansion that is used in that documentry of him. Rimmer doesn’t appear outside fo the mansion and walk in, he appears inside it, which is at odds with how that works.

    I always thought of the ashtray joke as being about CDs, and how they’d all be used to stub cigs out on

    #253082
    Dave
    Participant

    I would also presume that they have a photo of inside the mansion that is used in that documentry of him. Rimmer doesn’t appear outside fo the mansion and walk in, he appears inside it, which is at odds with how that works.

    Then you would think there would be someone inside the room taking the photo at the moment when he arrives.

    Same with Holden later.

    #253083
    tombow
    Participant

    I like the theory that they can wait for time to pass. Like day to night. I wish they could at least get one of a liverpool pub for him to live in or something? Heck even the Cavern during the Beatles days!

    #253084

    Then you would think there would be someone inside the room taking the photo at the moment when he arrives.

    Same with Holden later.

    MIND. BLOWN.

    #253085
    Lily
    Participant

    The whole ‘can’t move out the frame’ thing is ignored almost as soon as it’s raised. Even the pub they go to, they walk around in when the original is a close up on the band.

    As for the ashtrays, CDs were only just becoming a new thing. Rob & Doug are old, they were remembering these

    #253087
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    I like the theory that they can wait for time to pass. Like day to night.

    It’s just occurred to me that given the photos start moving as soon as they’re *developed*, that’s the point at which time starts progressing within them. It could be projected as a slide some time after it’s developed, and that would for things like the photographer no longer being present. It could also answer the somewhat disturbing question as to why someone was taking photos inside a boys’ dorm while they slept – it could be a photo taken during the daytime, and Rimmer just waits a few hours between developing and projecting the slide.

    #253091
    Dave
    Participant

    It’s just occurred to me that given the photos start moving as soon as they’re *developed*, that’s the point at which time starts progressing within them. It could be projected as a slide some time after it’s developed, and that would for things like the photographer no longer being present.

    But then in the wedding photo they were still standing waiting for the photo to be taken. (After it was taken.)

    Maybe best not to overthink it.

    #253110
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    The photographer is surely standing there to take the “next” photo?

    The stuff with “mutating developing fluid” is all well and good (overlooking the question of whether developing fluid would still be used) , but are they implying that they boys have negatives of the Nuremberg rally?

    And what’s the deal with “Lifestyles of the Disgustingly Rich and Famous”? It’s a ‘picture reference’ – what does that mean? Does Holly take a *partial* screenshot of the mansion (because Blaize is standing in the bloody way) and develop that? If so, there are no zero limitations with this. Develop a photo of the Milky Way, snatched from a documentary, if there’s only 2D restrictions.

    THIS EPISODE IS TOTAL BOLLOCKS FROM START TO FINISH.

    #253111
    si
    Participant

    are they implying that they boys have negatives of the Nuremberg rally?

    And how did Lister get so far into the photo and up there?

    #253117

    If you photoshop yourself into the negative of a photograph, and then develop it, does a second you get to live out its own life in the photo world?

    #253119
    tombow
    Participant

    here’s another head canon, you can’t really touch or eat anything in time-slides. You can lift up a mug, or someone can grab you, but it feels ghostly and nothing has taste. Hence Lister wasn’t really hurt in the wedding photo and they didn’t bother to pop in some p*rn.

    #253136
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    The Boys’ plan to use pictures of Page Three Girls in lingerie must have hit a snag…

    #253471
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    terraforming is the answer to everything :-)

    I trust terraforming also includes stabilising the massive gravitational forces pulling Io in all directions…

    #255039
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    I think I remember reading somewhere that they were contemplating solutions if Craig was ‘not available’ for Series 7 due to that unfortunate rape trial like maybe seeing if his brother Emile would do it as a younger version of Lister or something

    #255239
    Bezzy
    Participant

    Was it ever explained how Rimmer went from a Hologram Projection Cage to a portable Light bee?

    My head canon would say Holly just was looking into ways to make it easier for Rimmer to travel outside the ship.

    #255240
    Warbodog
    Member

    It’s odd that Lister doesn’t know about the light bee until Meltdown, but Holly explains it as if it’s always been there. Either another of IV’s retcons and we pretend there never was a projection cage or Rimmer was upgraded at some point with something they found.

    #255241
    Warbodog
    Member

    Why, after deciding that the death of Lister’s son in Future Echoes was too harsh and changing it to his grandson in the novel. did Rob and Doug write the detail of the twins’ accelerated ageing in the Backwards intro, meaning that when Bexley died he was probably about seven, making that much harsher than it had been originally?

    If you actually want an answer to your question, your best bet is to ask Rob and Doug on Twitter

    I’ll do my own put-downs.

    #255243

    Either another of IV’s retcons

    this is the actual reason isn’t it, they introduce light bees in Infinity, so they add them into the show in IV. If you want to headcannon that is was additional tech they’ve found and upgraded Rimmer with you can, but surely Lister would remember that. Especially remembering that at one point, they had to lug that bloody great big cage down to a moon just to celebrate Rimmer’s death.

    Unless that memory was wiped as well.

    #255266
    Bezzy
    Participant

    My only guess is that the projection cage was used solely for ‘outside’ jaunts . Holly must have projected him from the Blue Midget into the Nova 5.

    #255269
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    In the Red Dwarf universe, the hologram file format is probably like .mp4 is in ours, everyone has something that can play them.

    Ships and interiors probably come with holoemitters and you just sync with the computer to show the hologram.

    As for lightbees, either the research decks where they got the matter paddle from, or a derelict, maybe even the Nova 5 given how it was considerably newer than Red Dwarf and it’s technology.

    Look at Kryten compared to the contemporary to Lister humanoid androids we see, the bellhops in Stasis Leak, shows how far ahead he is.

    #255286
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Oh Christ yeah, we see Rimmer outside of the ship without the cage BEFORE it’s introduced. What the fuck? It’s recton’d in and retcon’d out in under half an hour

    #255295
    Bezzy
    Participant

    Yeah as I said my only thoughts are that the cage was only needed if it was outside on a planet.

    In Kryten they use the Blue Midget, which Holly is in (maybe to sustain Rimmer).
    I’m guessing the Midget connects to the Nova rather than the boys hopping over from ship to ship. Then Holly projects Rimmer across to the Nova 5 or something .

    #255297
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    The cage doesn’t actually project Rimmer; it projects holograms of other things for Rimmer to touch and fondle. Cos it’s his Death Day and he’s into that shit.

    #255298
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    But they bring the Midget down to the planet/moon, and they aren’t particularly far from it, and Rimmer eats a sandwich in that one episode, and, and, and, and…………………

    #255299
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Did Rimmer have to learn how to “sit down” or is it programmed into him to just automatically bend himself into the exact shape of whatever chair he goes to sit in and not clip through it? Is he really just bending in an incredibly odd way and making it look like he’s sitting down? Isn’t that uncomfortable? If Rimmer can feel a hot shower and taste a sandwich he must have some experience of comfort or lack thereof, unless they just decide not to simulate that kind of thing

    #255307

    I’m guessing the Midget connects to the Nova rather than the boys hopping over from ship to ship.

    Then why the need for the space suits. Assumption must be that Blue Midget landed close to Nova 5 and they had to walk across the surface of the moon to get to it.

    #255310
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Every bit of furniture or boundary in Red Dwarf has a hit box like a video game.

    When Rimmer sits on a chair he’s sitting on a hologrammatic version thats nested with the real one etc

    So really, Rimmer can touch things. He can rest his arms on a table, or arse on a chair, but he can’t affect anything.

    Get that script rewritten.

    #255322
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    Its possible that the light bee was an upgrade from the Space Corps that arrived by post pod.

    #255329
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    That would also explain the gradual tech improvements but they wouldn’t have kept sending post to Red Dwarf after the accident, or maybe they would, but only to Lister (assuming Holly transmitted a message “all but one on board lost, just need to pop to the Andromeda galaxy for something, see you in 3 million years xxx”

    And what would they send, mail from friends and family (who he’d then call slags) and maybe food, not sure about technology, unless they sent a timedrive and a FTL engine.

    #256549
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    surely the absolute worst thing in the “Backwards” reality would be reverse vomiting. Also, would a reverse blow-job s u c k for the woman?

    #256557
    Dave
    Participant

    I remember them doing that gag in Round The Twist.

    The first one, anyway.

    #257782
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    By the way, why does Kryten feel the need to differentiate between simulants and “rogue droids”?

    #257785
    Veni
    Member

    Simulants were created with the intention they’d be used in war.

    Rogue droids would be like Asclepius who just went computer senile overtime.

    #257786
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    I also feel that a simulant has to look realistically like a person and be part-organic, while a “rogue droid” could just look like Snacky.

    #257790
    tombow
    Participant

    I feel like I asked this already on this thread, but I can’t see it…at the end of Timeslides, why did lone Holly activate Rimmer?
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    #257791
    Veni
    Member

    Technically, Holly wouldn’t have been female Holly as without Lister there’d be no reason to try and create the Holly Hop Drive and ensuring Parallel Universe occured.

    #257795
    tombow
    Participant

    I’ve always been curious about the first activation of Rimmer’s hologram and how long it was before Lister woke up. I got the impression he had been hanging round for a while somehow. He seemed to be used to it all when Lister first meets him.

    #257797
    Veni
    Member

    It couldn’t have been too long before Lister was released as he was unfamiliar with the Cat, I assume he was activated the moment Lister was awakened.

    #257799
    Hamish
    Participant

    I assume Holly gave him an orientation before hand.

    #257802
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    From what i know, Kryten’s home era is about 200 years after RD was forced to flee the Solar System. He has to tell the others what simulants are, so the first simulants must have been created after Lister and Rimmer’s time period.

    #257821
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    I figured that Holly could very likely have activated Rimmer seconds before he walked through the door. Digitally downloading the current mission status (crew dead, species dead, Lister alive, ship lost) instantly.

    #257836
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Yeah, there’s the beginning of a line in Holoship that you can head-canon for this.

    “As Holly has already told you…” Lister says to Sam Murray as soon as his hologram is switched on. Seems a bit odd that Holly would switch him earlier on just to explain stuff to him, and then switch him off while the next candidate is being “interviewed”, so I expect this is really a virtual transfer of information.

    It’s all pretend, you know.

    #257837
    Dave
    Participant

    Once they work out how to have Holly sustain two holograms in Confidence & Paranoia, why don’t they bring someone else back (after the second Rimmer gets deleted) rather than reverting to just one again?

    George McIntyre could have become a series regular!

    #257838
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    It’s a power issue, isn’t it? They have to turn loads of shit off in order to power two holograms. Although we don’t see this, and Lister can still go to the cinema, and Holly still works, I think it is mentioned in dialogue.

    #257839
    Dave
    Participant

    Yeah, I think it is mentioned but like you say there don’t really seem to be any negative effects while two holograms are running.

    #257840
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    Even though the TV version of the Better Than Life game wasn’t lethal, would the creators really want to make it easy for players to leave? Even in the TV episode they fooled the boys into thinking they could just stop the game – until the loan shark showed up.

    #257841
    Dave
    Participant

    Maybe they never left.

    #257842
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    He’s not a loan shark, he’s a taxman.

    Incidentally, in the novels, I don’t think Better Than Life is *designed* to make it difficult to leave. It’s just an unforeseen side-effect of how well it convinces you it’s reality, and how your *subconscious* will try and prevent you from leaving.

    #257850
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    Part of Holly’s major plan is to resurrect Kochanski from her canister of ashes, so she can grow young with Lister.

    How come Rimmer doesn’t think of resurrecting himself in the same manner, so he doesn’t have to be a hologram any more?

    (Maybe because he wouldn’t have a ‘gimmick’ any more. He’d just be a boring ol’ smeghead)

    #257851
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    In-universe, you’d have a bit of a troublesome quandary over the nature of identity. This is kind of raised by Rimmer’s plan in Stasis Leak to put his other self in stasis so there would be two hims (one alive, one dead). Obviously, there’s a clunking big paradox in the way of this plan, but Rimmer’s end-goal of this makes no sense either. If there were two Hims (one for the week, one for Sunday best), it doesn’t actually benefit the dead Rimmer in any way. He would still be dead. And as several other episodes prove, Rimmer selfishness extends to variations of his own persona.

    So Rimmer would prefer to be “him” and a hologram, than a variation of him that isn’t *him* be alive.

    Oh, I’ve gone cross-eyed.

    #257852
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I was about to say something along those lines – resurrecting the “alive” Rimmer would “kill” the “dead” Rimmer, which might be good for “Rimmer”, but wouldn’t be very good for “Rimmer”, hacktually.

    #257853
    Veni
    Member

    >hacktually

    He’s a bloody shambles

    #257854
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    In the novel, Rimmer uses his ••••• of a mum as a model for a wife.

    Of course, Better Than Life delves into the subconscious and the deep, dark recesses of the mind – it doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that Rimmer has a hidden Oedipal desire.

    #257855
    Veni
    Member

    That’s timely, I have to write an essay on the theme of the Oedipus myth tonight.

    #258041
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    Why do people that go to baby changing stations always come back with the same baby?

    #258043
    Hamish
    Participant

    Where do babies even come from?

    #258285
    Dave
    Participant

    I wonder when George McIntyre’s hologram was switched off. Would he have watched the crew die and then hung around for three million years, right up until the point before Lister comes out of stasis? Would he have immediately been switched off and replaced with a hologram of Hollister once the crew was wiped out (who would have then been replaced by Rimmer)? Or would there be no holograms around at all between the accident and Lister coming out of stasis?

    #258286

    Maybe emergency systems on Red Dwarf automatically shut down the hologram to preserve energy etc, so once a radiation leak was detected, he was just shut off automatically, along with the hold being sealed off.

    Now, Holly does say he shut the hold off, but there’s definitely automated systems aboard Red Dwarf, so the conscious part of Holly could still consider these automated systems a part of himself even if he has no conscious input into the action.

    #258288

    Why does Lister pronounce ‘hummus’ so weirdly?

    #258292
    Dave
    Participant

    How does Ace Rimmer discover what the point of divergence is between him and ‘our’ Rimmer?

    #258293
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    yoomins

    #258296
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    How does Ace Rimmer discover what the point of divergence is between him and ‘our’ Rimmer?

    Through the hole in the plot? ;)

    #258303
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    It doesn’t take a great leap to be fair, he could have just read Rimmer’s file or swapped notes with Holly – their divergence was quite a major event in their lives, and one that you’d easily notice just from seeing what year he left school.

    #258310
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Maybe there was a boy in the year below who had long flowing locks, and that was why Ace decided to copy that hairstyle. He’d be able to work it out just from looking at Arnie’s haircut.

    #258311
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    Regarding George McIntyre, if the process for selecting the currently active hologram is automatic, then it’s possible George was switched off as soon as someone more important than him died, then they were switched off as soon as someone more important than them died, and so on, cycling through several/dozens of crew members until finally settling on the Captain.

    (I’m just assuming that this “most essential” calculation is largely based on rank if the mission is still viable and personality if it isn’t, because if a hologram is non-corporeal, then they’re only strictly useful for their knowledge, which Holly would have anyway.)

    Alternatively, if the process is not so immediate/automatic, George would be switched off when the dust had settled in favour of Hollister.

    You could write a bleak, not at all funny fanfic about Holoster, recounting how he spent the next weeks/months/years alone with Holly until ultimately deciding he’d rather be switched off. Maybe including monologues given to Lister’s stasis booth, and a part where he instructs Holly to ensure that the cats will be able to survive.

    #258312
    bloodteller
    Participant

    > Why does Lister pronounce ‘hummus’ so weirdly?

    he doesn’t, does he? i’ve always pronounced it like that and never been corrected on it, and i’m fairly sure i’ve heard other people say it like that too. how do you pronounce it?

    #258313
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Oh I thought he meant “humans” not “hummus” lol. How do you pronounce hummus?

    #258314

    I pronounce it how it’s spelled and, in my experience, universally pronounced. Humm-us. As opposed to hyu-mus.

    #258315
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    In what episode does Lister say hyu-mus? That’s bonkers

    #258317
    si
    Participant

    I’d never heard of hummus when I first saw that episode, so I just assumed it was the correct pronunciation. It’s only in the past few years I’ve realised that it’s not.

    (Although I’ve just realised that Bongo pronounced it correctly – ‘humm-us’ – in Dimension Jump, didn’t he? Well, Lister’s pronunciation didn’t make realise they were talking about the same thing.)

    #258319
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    When Lister tells Kryten to “Tell it to hair”, whose hair does he mean?

    #258320
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    Kryten’s home era is at least several hundred years after the Red Dwarf fled the solar system.

    There would be records as to how human history viewed the loss of the ship.

    Holly would have sent a message to Space Corps HQ on Earth when the accident happened, surely?

    #258321
    bloodteller
    Participant

    i’ve always pronounced it hyu-mus (or hoo-muss) and heard plenty of people say it that way. that’s always been the more common way of pronouncing it from my experience

    also- on some packages of the stuff, i’ve seen it spelled “houmous” but on others “hummus” which is just confusing. it’s one thing to have two different pronunciations of the word but two different spellings?

    #258322
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    Another Question: Had Graham Chapman never got sick, could he have uplifted “Timeslides”?

    (i hate Ruby Wax; Rimmer, please ask Stabem the Scutter to deal with her!)

    #258325
    Offline
    Member

    Seeing darling Graham in such a short role would be a terrible waste.

    #258335
    Hamish
    Participant

    > it’s one thing to have two different pronunciations of the word but two different spellings?

    #258336
    Hamish
    Participant

    > Kryten’s home era is at least several hundred years after the Red Dwarf fled the solar system. There would be records as to how human history viewed the loss of the ship.

    Sure, but are you aware of every maritime tragedy of the last 200 years?

    #258340

    I’m not aware of every airline tragedy of the last 200 years, but I know about Amelia Earhart and MH370 that went missing without a trace.

    Presumably Red Dwarf just completely disappearing would make it a fairly big deal that *everyone* would be talking about.

    Not to mention, Kryten has been showing to have an almost encyclopaedic knowledge of history, given he is a robot.

    #258343

    it’s one thing to have two different pronunciations of the word but two different spellings?

    It’s because it comes from a place that doesn’t use the Western alphabet, and has thus been translated differently in different times and places. Hummus is the ‘standard’ spelling, but there are plenty of different ones.

    See also: poppadom (aka papadum, poppadam, pappadam, puppodum, pappadum, etc).

    #258345
    Offline
    Member

    Kryten has been shown to have an encyclopedic knowledge of certain topics but a woefully dismal databank in terms of others, most notably women’s periods, which is odd since he is a sanitation droid and should be adept in human anatomy, unless he was built to serve on all-male Italian starships.

    The horror.

    #258348

    Bras and periods are things you’d imagine he’d have some idea about, given the crew of the Nova 5.

    #258351
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    The gaps in Kryten’s knowledge are a consequence of there being no internet in the Red Dwarf universe. All his information is stored locally, so he has to delete things that are no longer relevant to free up space.

    #258353
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    KRYTEN. : My head is littered with unnecessary information, sir. The ability to sing the Bay City Rollers’ greatest hits is no longer a priority. For most cultural purposes, crooning “Bye Bye Baby” is more than sufficient.

    This is In the same episode where he talks about having a “histo-chip”. So, um…yeah.

    I think they’re making this stuff up as they go along, you know.

    #258360
    Hamish
    Participant

    > Presumably Red Dwarf just completely disappearing would make it a fairly big deal that *everyone* would be talking about.

    I guess it depends on just how mundane Red Dwarf as a ship was, and how common accidents such as these were. We have no idea how many ships the JMC had in their fleet, or with how much significance the vessel was viewed.

    Crew numbers also affect this. 169 people lost is different kind of tragedy from 1,169 people lost, just in terms of scale if nothing else.

    #258361
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >Bras and periods are things you’d imagine he’d have some idea about, given the crew of the Nova 5.

    LISTER: How come you don’t know what bras are? What about the women on the Nova 5?
    KRYTEN: Well, when I cleaned up my cache files, sir, I erased my lingerie database. I didn’t see there’s be much call for it, unless we had a fancy dress party, and you wanted to go as Herman Goering.

    #258367
    Offline
    Member

    Oh look at all of you with your recollection of key dialogue, evidence and plausible theories to support your claims.

    #258384
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    In Tikka to Ride, Red Dwarf uses the common allegation that J. Edgar Hoover was a transvestite (a mocked up photo of Hoover in ladieswear and makeup appears on Kryten’s chest monitor). Hoover was a lot of very bad things, and held some very horrible views, but hasn’t the transvestite thing been debunked?

    #258385
    Spaceworm Jim
    Participant

    Is being a transvestite very bad? How come Hoguey has the…gun thing at the end of The Beginning when Lister took it from him earlier? To be honest, the second question I just pulled out of my Quagaars, I hope people will concentrate on the first question.

    #258388
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    No, being a crossdresser is not a bad thing, it’s a very unfortunate “of its time” joke, much like calling Göring a “drug-crazed transvestite”, as if that was the worst of his crimes. I wouldn’t cancel anybody over thinking crossdressing was funny 30 years ago, but I’d confront them about it today.

    #258391
    Offline
    Member

    Of its time?

    Time?

    Time.

    Time. Wave.

    Timewave.

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