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  • #112494
    Pete Part Three
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    Any episode which has a bunch of questions that you can be pretty sure that the writer doesn’t actually have the answer to (and Moffat is generally great, but he’s not infallible)…

    PLUS a load of stuff that didn’t happen/probably did happen/mixture of both…

    PLUS a series of twists that calls into question why the main character didn’t make use of these abilities in hundreds of other stories…

    …can, in my humble opinion, be classed as not making much sense.

    #112496

    Ah, but it was very enjoyable. Those who didn’t enjoy it are surely the losers in this debate?

    #112497

    And Moffat has said on Twitter that he has answers and that we will just have to be patient.

    #112498
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >Ah, but it was very enjoyable. Those who didn’t enjoy it are surely the losers in this debate?

    I refer you to my original comment, m’lud.

    #112502
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    Has anyone seen this and can you spot the mistake?

    ….and why is my mind screaming “or is it a mistake!!?”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/characters/Eleventh_Doctor#image-1

    #112503
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Lots of known “Unknowns” on that page, there. Weird.

    #112504
    pfm
    Participant

    ‘The Big Bang’ does make sense…as long as you’re willing to accept that, within the realms of Doctor Who, anything’s possible! The only thing that makes me sigh is the Doctor being able to fly the Pandorica into the exploding Tardis using…what, the vortex manipulator and a few bits of wiring?? :D

    Rewatched all the past River episodes…I wish the Steven Moffat who wrote Time of Angels/Flesh & Stone would please come back to us. Yeah I’ll quit ragging on him soon…

    #112506
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >’The Big Bang’ does make sense…as long as you’re willing to accept that, within the realms of Doctor Who, anything’s possible!

    Ah, that’s where I’m going wrong. Cheers!

    >Rewatched all the past River episodes…

    In what order?

    #112507
    pfm
    Participant

    > In what order?

    Okay I admit I just watched ToA/F&S and SitL/FotD, in that order. The latter makes the revelation that River is Amy and Rory’s daughter seem pretty…unworthy of the promise of those episodes. Though, of course, it’s by no means over.

    What I would love is if we never got River’s full story. Most of her earlier adventures (earlier for her…) with the Doctor should remain a mystery. That way we’ve never got the Doctor’s future pinned down. For all we know she’s met several future Doctors.

    #112508

    Not sure, I mean I think the kid viewers wouldn’t like that, would just be frustrating for them. You know how kids are :D

    #112509
    si
    Participant

    >You know how kids are.

    Mardy-wardy, temper-wemper.

    #112535
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    When is the next episode on, then? Or is “Autumn” all we’re getting?

    #112536
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    When is the next episode on, then? Or is “Autumn” all we’re getting?

    #112537

    I just want to point out that I am not in the least bit mardy. I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO HAVE THE SAME TASTE AS I DO.

    #112545
    steven87gill
    Participant

    ‘The Big Bang’ does make sense…as long as you’re willing to accept that, within the realms of Doctor Who, anything’s possible!

    Jump starts the second big bang!?

    Sorry, had to be done ;)

    Anyway, Matt’s been all kinds of awesome as the Doctor, so here’s hoping he remains in the show for a good few years to come, though I fear he may do a Tennant and flake out on us after just a few series. I hope that isn’t the case though.

    #112546
    Ridley
    Participant

    When is the next episode on, then? Or is “Autumn” all we’re getting?

    September, I believe. Or at least Wikipedia and URP do.

    When is the next episode on, then? Or is “Autumn” all we’re getting?

    And that one.

    #112548

    Yes, that’s all very well and good, but when is the next episode on?!

    #112556
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    And when will audience tickets be available?

    #112558
    pfm
    Participant

    So…no spring series next year. Possibilities…specials or a series of 6 in autumn 2012 followed by the Christmas episode…then god knows what for 2013.

    Whatever ends up happening, you get the feeling that there’s no way we’ll see a 13 episode series again. Not even split up.

    Roll on Torchwood!!

    #112562

    Nope, just 14. :)

    #112563

    It’s been confirmed that the BBC have greenlit a series of 14 episodes for next year.

    EDIT: May have heard wrong after reading this:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jun/07/doctor-who-matt-smith-new-episodes

    Just a “good chunk” of it airing next year.

    #112567
    pfm
    Participant

    Moffat has said they will announce the ‘cool stuff’ soon. The only ‘cool’ I can think of atm is him being replaced as showrunner by Toby Whithouse…!!

    #112568

    You FOOL!

    #112571
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Oh, you.

    #112573

    For those interested…

    http://www.beehivecity.com/television/bbc-behaviour-unacceptable-doctor-who-moffat093456/

    Though everyone’s probably already read about this.

    #112574
    Ridley
    Participant

    MOAR SHERLOKZ!!1! NOM NOM NOM

    #112740
    Alex
    Participant

    Just managed to snag a ticket Ruhr at the last minute for the preview of Let’s Kill Hitler at the BFI on August 15th. That’s made my day, my week and my month. Anyone else manage to get one before they all sold out?

    #112743
    pfm
    Participant

    The more I see the title ‘Let’s Kill Hitler’ the more I refuse to believe it’s going to be an episode of Doctor Who, a show I used to love until it was taken over by a giddy 13-year-old boy.

    #112747

    OMG performingmonkey bitching about Steven Moffat?! How very unpredictable…

    #112748

    I just saw the french short film that Twelve Monkeys is based on at the BFI the other evening! I had no idea that Doctor Who was being previewed there! Curse my stupid, beautiful common sense for that…

    BTW performingmonkey, what do you make of Sherlock? Just interested coz I know people who HATE Doctor Who but LOVE Sherlock.

    #112750

    Last post, I sort of promise!

    But what’s wrong with the notion of a giddy 13 year old writing Doctor Who? I don’t agree, seeing as Moffat clearly knows his way around writing a brilliant script (imo), but using that phrase as an insult… I don’t get it. I mean, at 13 you’re not exactly world-weary, you’ve still got pre-teen sense of wonder and imagination before it’s beaten out of you by the modern world.

    If I wanted to insult this series of Doctor Who, I would say something along the lines of “run by a man who can’t tell that convoluted doesn’t mean clever” or something like that. Not that I agree with myself there…

    #112771
    si
    Participant

    Okay, we’ve seen these, right? (Goes without saying,but – possible/probable SPOILERS)

    Trailer for eps 8-13:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00jb05r

    Trailer for ep 11:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00jcqqq

    #112772
    ChrisM
    Participant

    >http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00jb05r

    Thanks. Very interesting, and potentially VERY spoilerific in one case…. although I think that’s a bit of misdirection…

    #112773
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    That looks fantastic!

    #112778
    pfm
    Participant

    > BTW performingmonkey, what do you make of Sherlock?

    Mostly brilliant! (the Moffat and Gatiss episodes, the middle one not so much)

    I think Benedict Cumberbatch’s Holmes and Moffat’s writing snap together, much more successfully than with Smith and Who.

    #112794
    Nick R
    Participant

    Alastair Reynolds is writing a Doctor Who novel featuring the Third Doctor, Jo Grant and The Master.

    Great news as far as I’m concerned, as I loved Revelation Space, Chasm City and his short story collection Zima Blue.

    First Neil Gaiman, then Michael Moorcock, then Steven Baxter, now Reynolds… who’s next – Iain M Banks? (Seeing him write a kid-friendly Who book would be quite a sight!)

    #112802
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    First Neil Gaiman, then Michael Moorcock, then Steven Baxter

    Technically you’ve got these in reverse order.

    #112878
    Alex
    Participant

    Just seen the premiere of ‘Let’s Kill Hitler’. Without giving anything away I have to say it’s one of the strongest of the series as far as I’m concerned, and probably the funniest too. Also, even with the change of setting etc it is still very much a two parter with AGMGTW. One for everyone to look forward to.

    #112883
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Thanks for posting. Good to know.

    #112895
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    So apparently Doctor Who is on tomorrow. At least, that’s what Andrew’s telling us.

    #112896
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    Also what the BBC website is telling us!! Woooo!!

    #112897
    hummingbird
    Participant

    I second that Woooo.

    #112898
    Kris Carter
    Participant

    I’ll see your Woooo and raise you a Wooooo Who!

    #112899
    si
    Participant

    Woooo motion carried.

    #112900
    Dessie
    Participant

    Well that was a decent Terminator homage. Did very little else for me though. I didn’t like the villain, Thought the Reveal at the start was a tacked on afterthought and the end was a cop out. Great performances again, especially from Arthur Darvill. I’m going to watch it again later, hopefully it’ll click with me.

    #112901
    ChrisM
    Participant

    That episode seemed to have sneaked right up on me! I know there’s be advertisements for a while but I didn’t expect it so soon.

    Spoilers!

    Decent episode. I was quite surprised they wrapped up the Melody arc so quickly.

    I’d have liked to have known how they got off of that space station where the Doctor left them at the end of the first half of the series. I suppose the fact River turned up in that episode by herself means that she’s got her own transport, probably a time vortex device, or some such thing, but it would have been nice to have seen/heard some reference.

    What we found out concerning The Silence was curious too. I assumed it was the species of aliens we saw in episode one, and although that’s right, that’s not all they are.

    I liked the numskulls in terminator idea silly though it was. (Partly because it was silly.) I wasn’t so keen on the controlled use of regeneration energy, but it explains River’s ultimate fate, somewhat. And it seems they’re keeping to the limited regenerations rule after all.

    #112902
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I have a feeling that the Melody/River arc being wrapped up is, in fact, designed to lull us into a false sense of security. Felt the same about the Silence at the start of the series, too. I imagien both of these plot threads will come back in a big way in about three or four episodes.

    I loved the episode, personally. Entirely not what I was expecting, which is quite a nice surprise.

    I’d have liked to have known how they got off of that space station where the Doctor left them at the end of the first half of the series. I suppose the fact River turned up in that episode by herself means that she’s got her own transport, probably a time vortex device, or some such thing, but it would have been nice to have seen/heard some reference.

    We got that three months ago – the Doctor told River to get Amy and Rory home before he popped off in the TARDIS.

    #112903
    si
    Participant

    I enjoyed it.
    *SPOILERS*

    Rory had a great episode, I thought. He’s clearly getting used to TARDIS life, and his “clues?” line to Amy was great. Arthur Darvill’s also very entertaining on Confidential.
    As for Melody’s Regeneration, I thought that was great. ‘New’ River, post-change, was hilarious, and a top performance from Alex Kingston. One thing – River poisoned the Doctor the first time she kissed him – had she removed the lipstick when she kissed him the second time? And when did she apply it? Was Mels already wearing it before she regenerated?
    When Mels first appeared, I thought the name (Mels/Melody) was just a coincidence, and that Amy had simply named her daughter after her friend. (Another interesting note – Melody was, paradoxically, named after herself, and River took her name after realising that was how she’d become known, also named after ‘herself’). Before the episode, I thought that maybe The Grand Moff may be introducing an unexpected new companion, it certainly didn’t occur that Melody and Mels would be the same person – I certainly wasn’t expecting a regeneration before I watched the episode. But once Mels was shot, it clicked that that was what was going to happen.
    I was certainly glad of the regeneration, though, as I really wasn’t keen on Mels!
    A good episode, a lot of fun, answering what we need to know, leaving the odd thing hanging, and, again, I don’t think that either the River or The Silence arcs are done with just yet.

    #112904
    hummingbird
    Participant

    and it appears that you can stick one on the leader of the Third Reich.

    #112905
    TheLeen
    Participant

    I liked it.

    #112906
    ChrisM
    Participant

    >We got that three months ago – the Doctor told River to get Amy and Rory home before he popped off in the TARDIS.

    I remember that now you mention it. I’d like to have known how though. Another Tardis? A Captain Jack kind of time vortex manipulator? I don’t doubt she can do it, she got there despite not taking Rory’s offer after all.

    #112907
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I remember that now you mention it. I’d like to have known how though. Another Tardis? A Captain Jack kind of time vortex manipulator? I don’t doubt she can do it, she got there despite not taking Rory’s offer after all.

    The same way River showed up at the end of AGMGtW – she had a Vortex Manipulator.

    Do pay attention, 007.

    #112908
    ChrisM
    Participant

    The one she nobbled off the blue man? (I think it was the Blue man it was a good while ago.) Just be nice to have seen a small indication of it as these episodes occur earlier in her timeline, so to speak, i.e before she got that particular device.

    Yeah, I know she no doubt had it taken away when being searched after each break out and had to grab another on her next escape but…

    Oh never mind. It’s not a big deal, really.

    #112909
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    “and it appears that you CAN stick one on the leader of the Third Reich.”

    Nice one, hummingbird. :-)

    #112914
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    The one she nobbled off the blue man? (I think it was the Blue man it was a good while ago.)

    That depends on when “Good Man” takes place in River’s personal timeline. At the very least she has a Vortex Manipulator and has had for most of the series so far.

    #112915

    I’m really looking forward to Mark Gatiss’ episode next week. It looks really creepy! :D

    #112916
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Yeah. There’s something about dolls and ornaments and statues I find creepy. If I’d seen Blink!* as a kid, that would have really freaked me out. That white doll’s face… brrr.

    *Yeah, I know different writer, but the same applies.

    #112939
    Ridley
    Participant

    First time I’ve been convinced that Amy actually chose Rory over the Doctor.

    Now I just need to be convinced that they’re fine with not being there for Melody’s upbringing. :p

    #112944
    si
    Participant

    Anyone else think this episode should’ve been called ‘Rory’s Choice’? Me and my sister both thought so, as did Who writer/author Jonathan Morris. Just saying.

    #112945
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    Would have been a bit of a spoiler, surely?

    #112947
    Somebody
    Participant

    Rory never had a choice – not a real one, at any rate.

    Firstly, the die was cast irrevocably* when the Doctor lied about being able to take both Amys and so tricked the older one into helping to bring past-Amy to the present. After that, it was impossible for the younger Amy to become the specific old-Amy we saw in the episode and only the Tardis (with much complaint!) shielded the older Amy from blinking out straight away.

    Secondly, to guild the lily, the young Amy was knocked out and didn’t regain consciousness until after the Tardis left – meaning that if they’d tried to take the older one, the younger one would have been killed by the handbots’ antibiotics as soon as they turfed her out the Tardis, leaving no younger Amy to become ANY old Amy.

    And finally, Rory didn’t make the choice. He was about to open the door and damn the consequences until Old Amy gave in and told him not to.

    [*Not the first divergence – the first two Amys conversation apparently went differently for the older Amy when she was on the other side – but that was Xmas Carol-style minor changes rather than the “temporal earthquake” of pulling youngAmy forward in a way they couldn’t undo.]

    #112948
    si
    Participant

    Much as I loved this episode (and I did, I absolutely adored it), I have to say, there is absolutely loads to get nit-picky and pedantic about if you think about things for too long.
    For example: What has Amy been eating for 36 years? How have her clothes lasted her so well with barely any wear and tear? Has she had other things to wear while she washed those clothes? Has she worn the same underwear for nearly forty years? How has she managed not to go grey? What has she cleaned her teeth with? How has her hair managed to stay looking so good? How has she kept in shape? Where has she kept count of how long she’s been there? And how has she managed it without any worry balls to grind?

    Oh, ignore me. It’s 5am, and I can’t sleep. I’m just rambling.

    #112949
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    What has Amy been eating for 36 years?

    This week in “People Who Haven’t Paid Attention To the Episode”…

    #112951
    si
    Participant

    Sorry, like I said, it was 5am. My head was racing and I had toothache. Like I (also) said, ignore me.

    #112953
    pfm
    Participant

    Old Amy. I still would. And so would Rory…he had no problem with his wife being in her mid 50s :D.

    #112954
    si
    Participant

    *Late* 50’s, by my book. 58, I think.

    #112956
    Somebody
    Participant

    > Old Amy. I still would. And so would Rory…he had no problem with his wife being in her mid 50s :D.

    OLD AMY: Controls are stuck. They’ve locked them from outside.
    RORY: Can you unlock them?
    OLD AMY: Yeah, give me a minute and your cutest smile. That’s the one.
    RORY: Can you stop flirting with me! You’re old enough to be…
    OLD AMY: I’ve known you my whole life. How many games of Doctors And Nurses?
    RORY: Ssh!
    OLD AMY: Don’t get coy now.

    > *Late* 50’s, by my book. 58, I think.

    Hard to say. If she was 7 at Easter 1996, she *should* be 22 in April 2011 (when they get off the bus in Utah). That gets screwed up by all the time she’s spent travelling with the Doctor though – months between the 25th & 26th of June 2011 alone! Then the time after Utah, which includes most of her pregnancy, followed by at least some time at home between AGMGtW and LKH and an indeterminate amount of travelling thereafter.

    Probably safest to add at least a year overall, which would make her 59 (maybe even 60) after “36 years, three months, four days of solitary confinement”.

    #112957
    ChrisM
    Participant

    And finally, Rory didn’t make the choice. He was about to open the door and damn the consequences until Old Amy gave in and told him not to.

    Sure he did. She certainly influenced his decision, but she didn’t force him to do anything.

    Your other points are good, although I’m not entirely sure The Doctor did know bringing both along wouldn’t work. I know his reaction at the end seemed to suggest so, but his murmuring to the Tardis “What did that nasty Amy do to you”, made me wonder if he had thought it possible before hand, albeit I’m sure he always thought it unlikely. Of course he could have just been referring to the stabilising of their present situation until young Amy was brought on board…

    Anyway. A great episode.

    >What has Amy been eating for 36 years?

    This week in “People Who Haven’t Paid Attention To the Episode”…

    The compressed time thing perhaps explains the lack of hunger although 36 years is a good deal longer than two weeks, so I’d have thought she’d have gotten the munchies at some point in that time. (Compressed time doesn’t mean ‘no time’.) I don’t have a problem assuming she managed to raid some supplies in that time though. She was able to make a sonic-screwdriver, sorry, sonic- probe in that time after all.

    If compressed time is the only explanation for her needing no food, then surely she wouldn’t have aged that much either? Then again, as old though she looked, she looked younger than her mid fifties. In fact she didn’t really look that old at all.

    #112960
    pfm
    Participant

    > She was able to make a sonic-screwdriver, sorry, sonic- probe in that time after all.

    If this had been a Moffat episode you’ve gotta wonder whether he would have been able to resist a gag about the probe. As in…well. she has been alone for 36 years…

    #112962
    ChrisM
    Participant

    If this had been a Moffat episode you’ve gotta wonder whether he would have been able to resist a gag about the probe. As in…well. she has been alone for 36 years…

    I confess my mind went to a naughty place when she was discussing her ‘Rory-bot’ with Rory. Especially looking at her delivery of ‘a pet’. I think I was seeing way too much into it though.

    By the way, I’ve seen complaints concerning Karren Gillan’s acting in Doctor Who (not that I agree with them). I thought her portrayal of the two Amys was great this episode.

    #112963

    > If this had been a Moffat episode you’ve gotta wonder whether he would have been able to resist a gag about the probe. As in…well. she has been alone for 36 years…

    I don’t understand, is this a dildo joke?

    #112964
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    It’s a dildo reference, I’m not sure if it qualifies as a “joke”.

    #112965
    pfm
    Participant

    Look…why do you think River’s always got that big smile on her face. She’s clearly been ‘sonic’d’ by her Doctor on a regular basis.

    #112966
    Somebody
    Participant

    The Girl Who’s Waiting, there.

    #112967
    si
    Participant

    ‘The Girl Who Waited’ was brilliant.

    ‘The God Complex’ was FUCKING PHENOMENAL.

    #112968
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I agree with Si.

    #112969

    Me too!

    #112974
    cliff
    Participant

    classic doctor who story…more please

    #112975
    Ridley
    Participant

    Just me bored by it then? Dang.

    #112986
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    I have no respect whatsoever for people who try to make stories out of overnight, on-broadcast ratings in the current climate.

    Every episode of Doctor Who still hits between 7 and 8 million with timeshifted viewers. So the fact that “only” 5 million people watched an episode live is an absolute non-story.

    #112987
    si
    Participant

    Re: The Girl Who Waited.

    > *Late* 50’s, by my book. 58, I think.

    > Probably safest to add at least a year overall, which would make her 59 (maybe even 60)

    The new DWM has a feature about TGWW, and both Benjamin Cook (of DWM) and Karen Gillan refer to ‘Old’ Amy as being “a 57-year-old”. So I guess that’s that.

    #112990
    Somebody
    Participant

    Odd. She was seven as of “Easter” 1996 (Easter Sunday was the 7th of April, so that’ll do for a baseline even if it wasn’t set on that exact date; 1996 comes from “14 years” before Amy & Rory’s wedding, which was established as 26/06/2010 and that she was seven at the time is repeatedly mentioned).

    Then the whole “Doctor dies in Utah” business happens on the 22nd of April 2011 (the shooting itself/cremation/etc actually occurs in the early hours of the 23rd of April UK time)

    Then we have “all summer” pass between A Good Man Goes To War and Let’s Kill Hitler. Call that the 27th of August, since Moffat likes stuff happening on the date of transmission (Amy & Rory’s wedding, Impossible Astronaut).

    So she’s no less than 22 as of LKH, even without counting her “months” in the Tardis, three months in 1969 between Impossible Astronaut & Day of the Moon, etc.

    Old Amy then claims to have been stuck in Twostreams for “36 years, three months, four days of solitary confinement.”

    22 + 36 = 58.

    There’s no way you can get 57. And the three months, plus four+ months between her birthday and LKH, plus three months between TIA & DotM and a significant number of “months” in the Tardis on top of that makes 59 at least plausible. Someone’s not been doing their sums right at DWM :)

    #112997
    si
    Participant

    Somebody – I came up with 58, too. :/

    #112998
    Somebody
    Participant

    Yeah, I saw that, which is why I targeted it at DWM!

    Those dates were all mentioned/shown repeatedly, so there’s really no excuse.

    #113000
    srmcd1
    Participant

    …I have had the *loveliest* time reading this ongoing debate about how old the Old Amy was, as if it were important to the story. Kudos.

    #113001
    Dave
    Participant

    …I have had the *loveliest* time reading srmcd1’s bit of smarm about how old the Old Amy was, as if it were important to the debate. Kudos.

    #113002
    si
    Participant

    Anyhoo…

    #112977
    pfm
    Participant

    Only half the number of episodes next year so maybe half the amount of whinging…? :P

    Btw, Moffat sooooooo wishes he’d written Night Terrors, The Girl Who Waited and The God Complex, aka the best consecutive trilogy of episodes in aeons.

    Toby Whithouse for Moffat’s successor? Presumably Being Human will be over by the time the job comes up…

    #113003
    Somebody
    Participant

    One of those eps is not like the others, and it’s Night Terrors. Better than the previous couple of Gatiss eps, perhaps, but that’s not saying much.

    #113004

    I still rate Blink above all those episodes. PUT TOGETHER.

    #113005

    Although thinking about it, maybe The God Complex just beats it…

    So basically, I’ll shut up.

    #113006
    ChrisM
    Participant

    They’re both good, but I think I’d rate Blink! over The God Complex. I’ll admit that’s largely due to novelty of following different characters and the fact I find the Weeping Angels rather scary.

    #113007
    si
    Participant

    Gatiss episodes: The Unquiet Dead still tops it for me. Victory of The Daleks is not a bad episode at all, but would’ve worked better as a two parter (with the Daleks revealing themselves/revealing new paradigm at the end of episode one). Night Terrors was great, but a bit of a rushed conclusion (I love you, The End).

    So there. That’s me.

    #113008
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Night Terrors was heavily flawed by well-executed. The Girl Who Waited was fantastic. The God Complex was a teensy weensy notch below. All of them better than Let’s Kill Hitler which mistook exposition and chaos for storytelling.

    But Blink? Well, that’s the best thing on TV in the last ten years bar nothing.

    #113009
    pfm
    Participant

    > But Blink? Well, that’s the best thing on TV in the last ten years bar nothing.

    As far as one-shot episodes go you could be right. It IS a tad overrated though….:P

    #113011
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I liked the latest episode, Closing Time.

    Spoilers:

    Silly walk aside, I like the Cybermen although they’re becoming a bit rubbish. And the cyber-mat was good fun. I also rather enjoyed the tone of the episode.

    When did the sonic screwdriver start shooting green laser beams? On one hand it was kinda cool but I think they should have left it as a sound-based tool. You can use it to short circuitry and even fuse electronics (which he did) but all by sound waves.

    I really didn’t like the love-reverses-cyberisation-process*-feedback-loop- resolution though. Or the cyberman who hit the doctor just having to have a knackered arm. Really? He could have escaped death in plenty other more interesting ways, I think. I know it established that these cybermen were not at their best but I think that could have been provided by a visual inspection or scan.

    To leave on a more positive note, it was still a fun story. And that bit at the very end gave me a chill in a good way. I’m not so sure a bunch of kids on the street would be that interested in a geeky looking bloke in a cowboy hat though. Assuming they don’t actually watch Doctor Who. (Maybe it’s a documentary in their reality? Heh.)

    *or whatever the process of becoming is called

    #113013
    Somebody
    Participant

    > When did the sonic screwdriver start shooting green laser beams?

    Some time in the last 200 years? Been a long time for the Doctor since The God Complex (although technically the last time we saw him before this episode, chronologically speaking, was in the pre-credits clips/references of “The Impossible Astronaut”, “waving from history”.)

    [And it looks like a while’s passed for Amy & Rory too, for her to start a new career modelling a perfume with a suspiciously-familiar name & tagline…]

    Incidentally, has the Doctor ever looked quite as… well, pathetic as he did here:

    Seriously, hiding from his old friends – who are unlikely to reject him – like that. That bit was just depressing…

    #113014
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    The framing device of this episode seemed all very reminiscent of the end of David Tennant’s tenure, when 10, faced with his impending demise, went off on lots of unseen adventures to delay the inevitable.

    At least, this season, we’ve had a glimpse of the future by means of timey-wimey nonsense rather than an implausible prophecy given by a batty, yet human, old woman (“He will knock four times…”) but we all know this is leading up to a rather big con and unlike the, admittedly great, realisation of the prophecy in The End of Time, we know Matt Smith’s not going anywhere.

    Enough with the foreshadowing already. Bad Wolf was fine as it was subtly hidden away so it was only visible to the hardcore, but each successive year has just cranked up the foreshadowing to tiresome lengths.

    Anyway, Closing Time. I can’t see many Cybermen fans being particularly enamoured with the way these guys were sidelined, but in my limited experience of them, they’re a bit crap so that’s no bad thing. Unfortunately, plot A did little for me as it was essentially The Lodger all over again. Twatty Corden (doing his usual shtick) suffers insecurities, The Doctor swoops in and sorts him out. The baby stuff was cute enough, but it was all rather meandering and slightly annoying in the way it kept on reminding us to WATCH NEXT WEEK BECAUSE THAT’S WHEN THE IMPORTANT STUFF HAPPENS.

    And that final scene? Surprisingly clunky.

    #113016
    Nick R
    Participant

    I enjoyed The Lodger, but this episode was disappointing. “Stormageddon” was funny, but repeated a few times too often. Jokes like that work better in small doses – without a substantial plot, a whole episode of that wackiness just became tedious and irritating, especially with things like Craig’s predictably cringeworthy talk to the lingerie shopper (probably the low point of the episode).

    Slightly too much of Steven Moffat’s Gay Agenda ;) too – jokes about “oh, we’re not a couple” mistaken identity are ancient, so if you’re going to write one into your episode it had better be very good – and Frasier this ain’t! Maybe keep either the Doctor’s distracting confession of love OR the “partner/companion” stuff, but not both.

    There were some good scenes though, like the Doctor spotting Amy and Rory, and his talk to the baby after (somehow) turning the nightlight into a planetarium. I also liked the seamless first teleportation, and the closing scene linking the blue envelopes and Stetson to The Impossible Astronaut (with its the line about how even a time machine isn’t much help booking a glazier on a Sunday).

    #113018

    I loved it.

    So that’s decided then.

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