Russell Two Davies

[Nick R]

Apparently, today there was some news about a change to Doctor Who’s production staff, in some obscure behind-the-scenes role. I don’t know if anyone else heard about it?

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[Nick R]

Is this the first time neither Doctor Who or Star Trek were in production for television? Or have I missed something?

Well there was that brief period between 13.8 billion years ago and 1963…

There are still the upcoming final seasons of Strange New Worlds and Starfleet Academy in production and yet to get broadcast, and the BBC’s announcement of the Doctor Who Christmas special’s cancellation confirms that the CBeebies cartoon spin-off is still planned. So it depends whether you count those as extending “in production for television” for a little longer.

[Ben Saunders]

I hate how fucked up Doctor lineups are now. Tennant appears twice on all of them which looks ridiculous, even more so to casual observers. And you have to have Jo Martin, which means you have to have John Hurt. It was always going to get crowded, but it’s rather silly.

And Ten now takes up THREE of the Doctor’s regenerations, having already regenerated into himself with the hand bullshit. His vanity was already lampshaded in the 50th, now it’s a total eclipse.

People have joked about Moffat being egotistical by canonising the two-regens thing for Tennant, and the War Doctor stuff, and therefore getting to deal with the regeneration limit himself, but perhaps that was the best possible scenario. I can’t imagine what bullshit Chibnall or RTD2 would have come up with.

[Nick R]

Yeah I’m more interested in watching The Clone Wars, Rebels, Mandalorian, stuff like that. Andor too, apparently. I’m not passionate enough about Star Wars to the level I’ll read its tie-in books. Ask me again later, though idk

I haven’t watched any of the live-action Disney+ stuff, or the CG Clone Wars series (only the older Genndy Tartakovsky Clone Wars).

The only Star Wars thing I’ve watched on Disney+ is Star Wars: Visions. The anime seasons 1 and 3 are hit and miss, but season 2 contains three absolute standout shorts: Cartoon Saloon’s “Screecher’s Reach”, Aardman’s “I am Your Mother”, and Studio La Cachette’s “The Spy Dancer”. Those three are probably my favourite Star Wars things, in any medium, released since The Empire Strikes Back.

So I recommend those.

[Asclepius]

Rumour going around that they’ve already filmed the special in total secrecy. As nonsensical as it sounds, I almost want it to be true, but then that’d mean we’d get an episode that’s likely just a couple of actors in one set talking. 
And if that bloody UNIT lot are in it, I swear to god…

This sounds *amazing*. I really hope it’s true.

Now, time to read the rest of this thread…

[Asclepius]

If you’ve never listened to Big Finish I can give you a series of good recommendations.

They’ve done some great stuff. Protect and Survive was absolutely chilling. 1963: Fanfare for the Common Men was great fun.
But while they still either refuse to (if Nick Briggs is to be believed) or literally financially can’t provide any visuals for their stories, its still a struggle for me to get into Big Finish as a regular hobby because I struggle to visualise the stories and so much of Doctor Who’s appeal to me is the visual spectacle, even on a budget.

I find the only way I can focus on them is to be doing something like running/jogging. I just can’t sit/drive/walk and focus on them.

Still, it gets me out the ‘ouse.

[Flap Jack]

I can’t exactly be mad when a better performer with bettter writing turns up. 

What do you mean, you can’t? Are you sure you’re a Doctor Who fan?

From my perspective, it’s been well reinforced that Doctor Who is always changing and moving forward (especially when it comes to who the lead actors are), so if they decide to move backwards instead in the hope that gratuitous fanwank is what will keep the audience on board, I’m liable to be cynical about that. Like I can see the hands, those keys aren’t just jingling on their own.

I was more or less OK with David Tennant’s Fourteenth Doctor on the understanding that gratuitous fanwank is accepted during anniversary celebrations. It’s like The Purge. But beyond his general appearance, the bi-generation ultimately did just rob Gatwa of his proper introduction. And if they do smash the “regenerate into old Doctor/companion” button every time they’re in a jam, that’s bad. It’s bad no matter how good the performances or the other aspects of the writing are.

Of course it doesn’t help that I personally just don’t rate Tennant that highly when it comes to modern Doctors. He’s great, no doubt, but Eccleston, Smith and Capaldi are better, and Whittaker and Gatwa are at least level. It’s more a point of personality than performance, but it’s also a factor that Tennant already had more episodes in his original run than any other revival Doctor. Yet he’s the one who gets to continue living in parallel with his future selves, in multiple universes no less. Hardly seems fair.

[Rushy]

Yeah, the bi-generation concept was BS, but to me Tennant has significantly more gravitas than Gatwa and Whittaker, and I thought the idea of exploring a version of his character who has had the experiences of the later Doctors was very interesting. 

The fact that he was earnest and open already made him very distinct from the Tenth Doctor, I thought. 

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

> But beyond his general appearance, the bi-generation ultimately did just rob Gatwa of his proper introduction

the bi-generation stuff is such an unnecessary excuse to piss about with stuff isn’t it. 

Oh we want the doctor to live happily ever after? Let’s no effectively kill this one then and split him in two like an ameoba instead. It’s serves no purpose. 

Regeneration was introduced to solve a problem. Hartnell was going and they wanted the show to continue. 

That gave us this beautiful thing where it can exist it many forms over many decades with many actors and still at its heart be the same show. 

We’d just had the horribly executed reveal that the Doctor is the Timeless child, which I don’t hate but is a bit nonsense and opens up a whole heap of unnecessary questions. And that was also seemingly done “just because” and not for any necessary reason. The to follow it up almost immediately with another lore shattering revelation that regeneration (which comes from the Doctor now) isn’t all there is, just because, is a bit bloody tiring to keep up

As fans of the show were open to change but for the last few years it’s just been re-writing the show and the character just to make headlines and not actually giving anything enjoyable or satisfying 

[Doomitron]

I hate how fucked up Doctor lineups are now. Tennant appears twice on all of them which looks ridiculous, even more so to casual observers. And you have to have Jo Martin, which means you have to have John Hurt. It was always going to get crowded, but it’s rather silly.

People gnash their teeth about Jodie Whittaker til the cows come home but I still feel she was the last true Doctor or the last one that felt like all the others that came before her. After that you got 14 which reeks of cynicism to me, 15 who got delegitimized out of the gate with the equally cynical bigeneration nonsense, and Fugitive who never got anything to do besides appear randomly on the odd occasion whereas War at least had proper buildup and an entire special to build his myths with. We still don’t know where she is in the lineup because Chibnall ducked out of making her pre-Hartnell when everyone took up arms over it. And now we have a Doctor who may or may not be the Doctor. Just a travesty.

[Warbodog]

We still don’t know where she is in the lineup because Chibnall ducked out of making her pre-Hartnell when everyone took up arms over it. And now we have a Doctor who may or may not be the Doctor. Just a travesty.

I haven’t seen the later Chibnall era, but this doesn’t sound much different from Tom Baker’s museum curator Doctor or the “Merlin” Doctor referenced in Battlefield.

[Dave]

People have joked about Moffat being egotistical by canonising the two-regens thing for Tennant, and the War Doctor stuff, and therefore getting to deal with the regeneration limit himself, but perhaps that was the best possible scenario. I can’t imagine what bullshit Chibnall or RTD2 would have come up with.

Arguably the best way to handle it would have been to ignore the limit completely. You could say the limit was either made up, or simply wasn’t a hard stop but more like a law that you can choose to break.

Making a relatively niche plot point callback like this central to a climactic story feels like the blueprint RTD chose to follow with his Gatwa finales.

[Doomitron]

I haven’t seen the later Chibnall era, but this doesn’t sound much different from Tom Baker’s museum curator Doctor or the “Merlin” Doctor referenced in Battlefield.

Merlin was a one-off mention and hardly comparable to Fugitive who pops up recurringly in several episodes, while the curator Doctor is intentionally an end-of-life thing you can presume happens after the Doctor “retires”.

[Flap Jack]

You don’t need to imagine what bullshit RTD would have come up with. He wrote a Sarah Jane Adventures story called “Death of the Doctor” in which The Eleventh Doctor appears, and one of the kids asks him how many times he can regenerate, and he says 507 (without explaining why the answer isn’t 12 or elaborating in any way).

So there’s your answer – RTD would kick the can so far down the road that nobody currently alive would have to deal with it.

I’m pretty sure I’ve said in the past that Fourteen should never have been – and still isn’t, in my mind – a main incarnation. A main incarnation should be the lead of the show for the foreseeable future, not someone whose successor has already been picked long before their first episode has gone out. And having David Tennant appear twice in lineups just looks stupid. I feel like the choice was only made because Davies enjoys breaking conventions for the sake of it, and knew that not being able to cleanly divide eras of the show by Doctor would annoy nerds.

[Dave]

I think Tennant coming back was just another stupid stunt of a twist that was designed to make headlines and confound viewers who thought they would be getting a Whittaker-Gatwa regeneration.

It’s very similar to the cliffhanger with Rose really, but it’s excused somewhat because the 60th specials were actually pretty good. Well, in comparison to most of what came after, anyway. 

[Renegade Rob]

I didn’t actually mind the bigeneration because I appreciate that the Doctor as a character needed a detox. I know it didn’t work out in hindsight, but in theory it would help with the reboot because of all the collected trauma from the Time War and the Confession Dial and the Flux, etc. Not just as a jumping on point, but just from a character point of view, you can’t have a show with stakes that high for 13+ years and have it not take a collective toll, so the idea that an incarnation could just stop for a while felt like a decent character choice, and the main way to do that was to not have the character die in conflict. So I respect that choice. I also don’t actually mind Chibnall or whoever really finally clarifying that 12 regenerations was an arbitrarily imposed limit, since it was sort of implied already by past stories (the Time Lords can give or take regenerations on a whim). As much as I liked that Moffat gave the Doctor a new cycle to conclude the 50th anniversary year, it would be kind of silly to keep hoping that the Doctor would find another cycle of regenerations under the couch at the 100th anniversary mark and so on without eventually admitting that yeah, 12 is a soft number. 

[Nick R]

@Doomitron

and Fugitive who never got anything to do besides appear randomly on the odd occasion whereas War at least had proper buildup and an entire special to build his myths with. We still don’t know where she is in the lineup because Chibnall ducked out of making her pre-Hartnell when everyone took up arms over it.

What did Chibnall do that went back on when the Fugitive Doctor fits in the Doctor’s timeline? From what I remember, she was introduced, then we got the Timeless Child revelation that seemed to neatly explain that she fits in pre-Hartnell. (Well, except for the minor inconvenient detail that her TARDIS was already a police box.)

After that, what did Chibnall do to change about her placement?

[Ben Saunders]

You could say the limit was either made up, or simply wasn’t a hard stop but more like a law that you can choose to break

I know Dr Who plays fast and loose with canon, but this point is so methodically ingrained into the show over and over again that just saying it was a lie/not a limit would be some of the biggest bullshit yet. It would mean the Master was crispy for no reason (The Deadly Assassin, The Keeper of Traken), then a blob of goop for no reason (The TV Movie). Then the Time Lords gave him an extra set of regenerations for no reason (Last of the Time Lords I think). 

and he says 507

Obvious joke

[Ben Saunders]

I actually don’t think Gatwa was overshadowed by the Bigeneration, because he came right out of there like an arse on fire and stole the show in my eyes. Tennant got his soppy farewell but Gatwa was firmly the Doctor from the second he shimmied away from him. It does open a whole can of bullshit generally, though and is overall a pretty stupid idea, especially when they reiterate it with the Rani (and possibly all Time Lords for the foreseeable?)

edit: except it doesn’t happen when Gatwa regenerates into Piper so WHO BLOODY KNOWS or cares really

[Professor Flibble]

I’m pretty sure I’ve said in the past that Fourteen should never have been – and still isn’t, in my mind – a main incarnation. A main incarnation should be the lead of the show for the foreseeable future, not someone whose successor has already been picked long before their first episode has gone out. And having David Tennant appear twice in lineups just looks stupid. I feel like the choice was only made because Davies enjoys breaking conventions for the sake of it, and knew that not being able to cleanly divide eras of the show by Doctor would annoy nerds.

Idk why he didn’t make it a literal degeneration back into the Tenth Doctor rather than a new numbered incarnation. Would also be simpler and less confusing to explain to the public. 

It was also such a wonderful idea for him to break conventions in an era that was supposed to make the show a global hit. Try setting up bigeneration for a bunch of people who don’t even know what regeneration is.

[Dave]

edit: except it doesn’t happen when Gatwa regenerates into Piper so WHO BLOODY KNOWS or cares really

Unless another Tennant plopped out the back that we didn’t see yet

[Renegade Rob]

Admittedly, the softening of the 12-regeneration limit and the existence of each new doctor beyond the 13th make the Master’s explanation that the Valeyard is an “aspect of the Doctor between his 12th and final incarnation” increasingly and amusingly unhelpful. 

[Jenuall]

Gatwa has been superb in my opinion, just a shame he’s been shackled to a very wonky era for the show.

Assuming this isn’t the actual death of the show (which I can’t believe they will allow to happen, pretty sure Doctor Who is still far and away their most commercially lucrative show worldwide) I think it will ultimately be a good thing.

The show needs a break and a reset. Come back with new teams and new ideas, stop tying everything in continuity knots and constantly backreferencing and retconning things, just give us some good stories and performances, with a decent arc and I’ll be happy

 

[Professor Flibble]

If it’s 5 years though, what the hell am I going to do? I might be in my 30s by the time the show comes back. 

I need to get a start on making my fan series, that’s the only thing I have any control over. I’d hope it’d gain some traction.

[Flap Jack]

Obvious joke

Was it though?

It may be a joke in a meta sense, that RTD took this bit of lore that fans take seriously and contradicted it in such an offhand and pointless manner, but serious worldbuilding and joke worldbuilding all count for the same in the end.

Unless 507 is a designated Funny Number that I just haven’t heard of, then it’s clearly not a joke within the episode itself, because it doesn’t have a punchline. The Sarah Jane kids don’t have a clue, so 12 is no less funny an answer than 507.

Like if he had said “420! Because I always go up in smoke yeaaaaahhhhh boiiiiiiiiiiiiii” then that would have technically been a joke. 507 is either what he believed to be the correct answer or a lie told for no reason.

I actually don’t think Gatwa was overshadowed by the Bigeneration, because he came right out of there like an arse on fire and stole the show in my eyes. Tennant got his soppy farewell but Gatwa was firmly the Doctor from the second he shimmied away from him.

He definitely still made a big first impression, but it’s just so off-kilter for the new guy to show up when half the focus is still on the old guy, and the audience never even have to properly say goodbye to the old guy. If the characters have to have a conversation just to stress to the audience that yes, the new guy is the “main” Doctor and the old guy isn’t, something has gone wrong.

Plus the choice sort of inadvertently appeals to the racist fans by making it so the first Black Doctor (after Jo Martin) is also the first one not to actually replace their predecessor. “Don’t worry guys, the proper, white Doctor is still around! He has his own TARDIS and everything! They will not replace us, am I right? God, I’m so progressive.”

And then you throw in the objectification aspect of Fifteen being the one who has to run around in his pants. I guess that’s fine, but David wearing Jodie’s outfit would have been too much, obviously.

[Jonathan Capps]

If it’s 5 years though, what the hell am I going to do? I might be in my 30s by the time the show comes back.

You’re only young, you’ve got about three or four whole cycles of Who coming back, going to shit and being canned to look forward to. It’s part of the fun.

[Doomitron]

What did Chibnall do that went back on when the Fugitive Doctor fits in the Doctor’s timeline? From what I remember, she was introduced, then we got the Timeless Child revelation that seemed to neatly explain that she fits in pre-Hartnell. (Well, except for the minor inconvenient detail that her TARDIS was already a police box.)
After that, what did Chibnall do to change about her placement?

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-jo-martine-timeline-newsupdate/
Its less in the show and more outside of it mudding the waters due to the backlash where Chibnall says “well maybe she is maybe she isn’t”. Within the show itself its also unclear I don’t *think* they definitively say within The Timeless Children itself where she is (I’m going to be honest with you, I haven’t watched it in years because I don’t want to) and you later have the Fugitive popping up between, iirc, Tennant and Gatwa for no logical reason in the seemingly chronological Doctors list that pops up in The Reality War. There’s also the dumb Shalka Doctor cameo we had in whatever episode that was.

[Doomitron]

Gatwa has been superb in my opinion, just a shame he’s been shackled to a very wonky era for the show.

Gatwa himself I actually like a lot, he’s great in episodes that let him be great its just there hasn’t been a Doctor who consistently was handed dreadful episodes in successive order in NuWho (I’d argue the entire show but that’s probably more debatable). Series 2 is almost completely bad imo, Series 1 had good ones like Dot and Bubble and Rogue but otherwise he was given dirt and asked to make a diamond out of it. Its really unfortunate because Wild Blue Wonder is the only episode I’d say was a bonified classic of RTD2 and they gave that one to Tennant instead which is just insulting to me.

[Ben Saunders]

From just what the show gave us, I firmly believe Jo Martin is supposed to be pre-Hartnell and any idea otherwise anybody has is severe fanbrain cope. Because it doesn’t make any fucking sense, we want it to actually play into the Series 6B stuff, which makes 10% more than 0 sense, and least doesn’t completely fuck up the entire foundation of the show and its first big character arc.

Was it though?

Yes, in the same way that Fourteen saying “Donna, I’m a billion years old” was not exposition.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Was it though?

Yes, in the same way that Fourteen saying “Donna, I’m a billion years old” was not exposition.

Doesn’t he also say it in a bit of a sarcastic way too. Like he clearly isn’t being serious.

Regardless though, Moffat chose to address it in the best way possible imo. Make it a bit part of the 50th year and Matt leaving but also ultimately make it a bit meaningless in that he gets a bunch more and the show just continues. 

[Doomitron]

No point arguing over the semantics of it when this becomes redundant by Doctor Who (2030 – 2046) which canonizes the Fugitive Doctor as the Curator’s 8th incarnation after having split from 14 who goes on to father Susan.

[Warbodog]

If it’s 5 years though, what the hell am I going to do?

Get through a few more % of this.

Doctor Who fans are spoiled (for quantity, at least).

[Professor Flibble]

Get through a few more % of this.
Doctor Who fans are spoiled (for quantity, at least).

Yeah, I know it’s just again, I wish more Doctor Who fans were talented enough to actually make visuals for a lot of them. 

I find it depressing how few Doctor Who fans are actually trying to do long form animation, or anything nearly so elaborate. A lot of them just stick to doing audio so I find that other than the rare gems like Devious or Mindbomb, or Josh Snares’ animations, there’s not much that appeals to me. I struggle enough to get into Big Finish, let alone the hundredth fan Doctor with a name like “the Mysterious Doctor” or “the Cravat Doctor” who’s part of the “Quantum Universe” audio series or something. Not my kind of Doctor Who at all.

There’s only about one or two fans who do long form animated stuff, and some of them are just doing missing episode stuff anyway. So I can’t even rely on Doctor Who’s fanbase during times like this, really. At least do some storyboards or something, christ.

[Flap Jack]

Yes, in the same way that Fourteen saying “Donna, I’m a billion years old” was not exposition.

I mean, other than both including a number, I don’t see the similarity.

– Donna didn’t actually ask The Doctor how old he was.

– Donna already knows that The Doctor is extremely old, so is primed for him to be blunt and sarcastic to her about him not mentioning everyone he’s encountered in his life.

– Large round numbers are much more common in jokey exaggerations than smaller specific ones.

If Donna had actually asked the question and The Doctor had replied “1 billion, 361 million, 120 thousand, 994 years old” then I would have absolutely taken that as exposition. But in the SJA example, there’s no context for it to be understood as a joke or exaggeration, unless you just think lying is inherently funny.

And I’m saying this with such confidence because I watched Death of the Doctor when it came out in 2010 and I legitimately did take “507” as exposition, assuming that was RTD belatedly tidying up the troublesome regeneration limit issue on his way out. 3 years later when The Time of the Doctor happened, I really thought “huh, guess Moffat’s choosing to ignore Death of the Doctor then”.

So what I’m saying is, if it was a joke then it should have been written to be understood by me, as cretinous as I may be.

Also, fun fact: Davies mentions in The Writer’s Tale that he wanted to include an equally flippant line at some point where The Doctor mentions that he was half-human in one of his previous incarnations, to tidy up that point from The TV Movie, but he couldn’t find a way to fit it in organically (or organically enough for his own standards at least). So this is genuinely what earnest exposition by RTD sounds like sometimes. “This lore is annoying, handwave it away quickly so I don’t have to worry about it but I can still honestly say I addressed it.”

[Professor Flibble]

Also, I’m extremely grateful I’ve got most of the Timebase fan films from the 1990s, they’re some of the best Doctor Who I’ve ever seen. And Rupert Booth is the best fan Doctor, no competition.

https://lostmediawiki.com/Report:Four_TimeBase_Productions_serials_(1990%27s_Doctor_Who_fan_films)_20250101001

Edit: Ffs they’ve emptied the folders. The best Doctor Who fan films ever and they’re still unavailable for most people to watch. 

I’ve still got them but no idea how I’d actually send them.

[Doomitron]

I’ve still got them but no idea how I’d actually send them.

Upload them to the Internet Archive if you wish to preserve it, that’s usually the method.

[Doomitron]

Speaking of lost Doctor Who stuff anyone remember this or played it? I remember screwing around with it during Season 7B’s airing. Its sad how corny little stuff like this especially during the Smith era I took for granted especially these days when Doctor Who outside the show is nonexistent.

https://lostmediawiki.com/Doctor_Who:_Worlds_in_Time_(lost_online_MMORPG_based_on_TV_series;_2012-2014)

[Renegade Rob]

I hope that link isn’t a Rick Roll to a video of Doctor in Distress. Although… maybe if Gal Gadot and other celebrity friends get together and record a rendition of that, it might just save the show!

[Dave]

Davies In Distress

[Flap Jack]

Imagine there’s no Doctor Who

[Doomitron]

It’s so easy you don’t even have to try

[Professor Flibble]

Speaking of lost Doctor Who stuff anyone remember this or played it? I remember screwing around with it during Season 7B’s airing. Its sad how corny little stuff like this especially during the Smith era I took for granted especially these days when Doctor Who outside the show is nonexistent.
https://lostmediawiki.com/Doctor_Who:_Worlds_in_Time_(lost_online_MMORPG_based_on_TV_series;_2012-2014)

Always gutted I never got the opportunity to play it, I had to be 13 in order to sign up, and I wasn’t yet. I miss the Matt Smith era.

Hell, I miss the show existing.

[Ian Symes]

I wish more Doctor Who fans were talented enough to actually make visuals for a lot of them. 

I find it depressing how few Doctor Who fans are actually trying to do long form animation, or anything nearly so elaborate.

I’m sorry that the unpaid efforts of non-professionals creating content in their spare time for you to enjoy for free isn’t to your tastes. In my experience, if you’re not personally being served well by fan efforts, the best solution is to learn how to do it yourself.

[Jonsmad]

I hate how fucked up Doctor lineups are now. 

It’s an impossible situation, the best solution of which is possibly to only count the regular lead actors of the series who are the doctor. Making it 14. 

Sure 16 if you want War & Fugitive to count as on screen portrayals. Personally if those two count then the valeyard and dream lord and things start to get near the line as does Morbius pictures and whole host of chibnal cameos, and it’s unworkable already.  

What about Cushing?  

Oh well yeah the complication of Cushing goes with out saying but apart from War,Fugitive, Morbius, Richard E grants head, Rowan Atkinson, Bradley, Hurndall, and Lenny Henry on Comic Relief what doctor who’s would need to be mentioned. 

Gattis? Piper? 

No fuck off now that sounds like a brand of Potato.

[Jonsmad]

Dear Dr who Fans 

Stop moaning about having to go multiple years without the possibility of a new episode, while retaining some hope with vague possibilities of a future that the various creators say could happen but can’t say when. 

Lots of Love

A load of Red Dwarf Fans

[Professor Flibble]

OK it was admittedly a pretty harsh comment, they’re fans giving their own time to make something and that’s good. But I’m in a bad mood given the news, jealous of other fandoms (namely Sonic as my mate keeps showing me the latest in a long line of complete 3D fan games or animations each week) and I don’t like how dominant audio-only content is for Doctor Who anyway, either officially or unofficially, when it’s a medium I struggle to get into, and I don’t like when lots of people who find it far easier to get into than I do claim the show being off the air is no big deal because Big Finish has done thousands of audio dramas. They can’t speak for everyone. For me, the visual aspect of the show is one of the things that most appeals to me. Trying to imagine what the planet the Doctor’s landed on looks like doesn’t quite hit the same as actually seeing it. I love seeing the planets and monsters. And my brain is absolutely useless. I sometimes struggle to visualise the thing I’m probably supposed to be visualising. 

Yeah, to be fair, I realise it’s cruel for me to dismiss the efforts of fans because they’re not doing the specific thing I want, but I can’t not find it a shame how little animated Doctor Who content there is when its got the biggest sandbox in all of fiction. There should’ve been way more of the sort of thing The Infinite Quest was. And I’m not counting the missing episode animations. They were never intended to be cartoons, they were live action episodes of the show that were junked. And most of the ones remaining are pure historical stories with no monsters anyway. I’m intrigued about the Cbeebies animated series and it’s good that at least is going to fill the gap over the next two years, but, you know, it’s not exactly Arcane or one of those DC direct-to-DVD animated movies, it’s a series for toddlers. It’s not the same conversation. On a general note, it is insane to me that we have never had even one animated new adventure featuring a past Doctor. You’d think they’d have done that a long time ago. 

Additionally, my desire is indeed to learn how to do it myself, because I do think there is a gap in the market. And also because I want to make something that could stand out. I might be absolutely hopeless at it though, I don’t know.

All very long-winded, I’m tired so I don’t know how comprehensible I’m being, but essentially, I just want more cartoons. BBC, fans, anyone? 

[Professor Flibble]

Dear Dr who Fans 

Stop moaning about having to go multiple years without the possibility of a new episode, while retaining some hope with vague possibilities of a future that the various creators say could happen but can’t say when. 

Lots of Love
A load of Red Dwarf Fans

Given the Red Dwarf special was already cancelled last year, I’d already had this reaction to that, and a year later, I have maybe some vain hope that something could still happen. If Doug announced the Red Dwarf special was going ahead again, it would majorly lift my spirits up. 

[Dave]

But I’m in a bad mood given the news, jealous of other fandoms (namely Sonic as my mate keeps showing me the latest in a long line of complete 3D fan games or animations each week) 

If you’ve come here to get away from Sonic fandom, then I’ve got some bad news for you.

[Professor Flibble]

If you’ve come here to get away from Sonic fandom, then I’ve got some bad news for you.

I’m well aware there’s lots of Sonic fans here, I am one myself and I’m not looking for an escape from that at all. Was just a good example.

[Dave]

I was only joking around. G&T has long had an unspoken rule that if a conversation doesn’t ultimately turn into a discussion of Series VIII, it will instead degenerate into Sonic memes.

[Professor Flibble]

I was only joking around. G&T has long had an unspoken rule that if a conversation doesn’t ultimately turn into a discussion of Series VIII, it will instead degenerate into Sonic memes.

Actually, that’s a relief cause I get incredibly anxious about how I come across to other people. I’m somewhere between being too optimistic for my own good and being a miserable fucking bastard. 

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