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[Moonlight]

Now that embedding images isn’t a herculean task requiring a master’s degree in computer science, I figured we ought to finally have one of these on a site where such esoteric bullshit would be welcome.

I’ll start, because that’s how this sort of thread always works. Keep up.

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[Technopeasant]

[Technopeasant]

[Technopeasant]

[Ben Saunders]

this line hit different re-watching the episode just days after Trump got elected AGAIN

[Technopeasant]

I mean, it is true that Trump can hardly be considered the first sex criminal to be elected President. Possibly the first to actually be said by a court to have assaulted someone though.

[Moonlight]

I mean, it is true that Trump can hardly be considered the first sex criminal to be elected President.

I mean, considering it was written in 1998, that Rimmer joke is probably in no small part about Bill Clinton.

[Nick R]

[Technopeasant]

https://gizmodo.com/forbidden-planet-reboot-brian-k-vaughan-warner-bros-2000525122

[Technopeasant]

I mean, considering it was written in 1998, that Rimmer joke is probably in no small part about Bill Clinton.

One gets the impression comedy writers ran with the Lewinsky affair for fear of never getting such easy hits again. Then you got Dubya…

[International Debris]

There’s something really depressing about Clinton being seen as some especially controversial president.

[Technopeasant]

I mean, we were all making fun of the U.S. when they elected a movie star. Douglas Adams in particular.

[Ben Saunders]

The U.S. elected Douglas Adams? What was his job, secretary of improbability? Minister of towels?

[Moonlight]

America doesn’t have ministers of anything.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Not to continue ruining the joke, but US Secretaries aren’t elected either, they’re appointed. 

Congressional committees are comprised of elected legislators. 

[International Debris]

I’m sure ours is no better, but US politics is so fucking baffling.

[Hamish]

Now may be the time to sit ID down and explain the House of Lords…

[Technopeasant]

Not to continue ruining the joke, but US Secretaries aren’t elected either, they’re appointed. 
Congressional committees are comprised of elected legislators. 

They are supposed to be confirmed, but you know, you could just do it on recess…

Of course, ministers don’t have to be elected technically either. Just ask Pigfucker.

[Warbodog]

Now may be the time to sit ID down and explain the House of Lords…

When my non-British partner first saw that, there was disbelief. “It’s like Time Lords.”

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Not to continue ruining the joke, but US Secretaries aren’t elected either, they’re appointed. 
Congressional committees are comprised of elected legislators. 

They are supposed to be confirmed, but you know, you could just do it on recess…

Of course, ministers don’t have to be elected technically either. Just ask Pigfucker.

They don’t have to be. Neither does the PM. But they generally are, just to follow convention. Cameron is something of a recent exception. 

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Now may be the time to sit ID down and explain the House of Lords…

When my non-British partner first saw that, there was disbelief. “It’s like Time Lords.”

I find the House of Lords preferable to two elected bodies. They are all typically people that are leaders and or have had success in the communities and chosen fields. They’re appointed by a Government. And they have absolutely nothing to lose. So they don’t get wrapped up in party politics, they’re not fighting for their parties support, their leaders support, or constantly looking at reelection prospects. 

They act as a check to the Commons and it tends to work quite well, often in times of massive contention siding with the public. 

It’s not perfect, and on principle I do understand why people insist it should be elected to more more democratic. But just look again at the US to see what can and does happen when you’re electing a second House.

[Technopeasant]

I do not really understand the need for two houses at all though. The judiciary is supposed to be the check on the legislative and the legislative the check on the executive. In Canada the argument for our senate is regional representation, but we are a true federation (more so than the UK) so the provincial governments already play that role. Likewise, the United States has the individual states for that purpose. Certainly New Zealand seems to do just fine having eliminated their second house (though admittedly they are a unitary state), more so I think than the elected one in Australia.

[Dave]

I do not really understand the need for two houses at all though. The judiciary is supposed to be the check on the legislative and the legislative the check on the executive.

I always thought it was basically an additional control in case some kind of extreme group got control of one house and tried to pass all sorts of undesirable laws. In the UK for example we saw the House of Lords try to rein in the worst excesses of dysfunctional recent Tory governments that held powerful Commons majorities, particularly when they showed a disregard for international law.

[Technopeasant]

I personally feel that proportional representation would do that better than patronage does.

[International Debris]

Yeah, the House of Lords is a rare thing that I’m completely opposed to yet, as things are, am kind of happy to have around at the same time. 

[Dave]

I personally feel that proportional representation would do that better than patronage does.

But even then you still have the risk of a house going “rogue” as a result of the outcome of a single election. Two different houses with different compositions (and ideally elected in different timeframes) helps to insure against that.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

In the US the two houses represent different interests. Congress represents the people, the Senate represents the States. 

Regional representation is pretty important as you can devolve everything to the people, and there’s bigger interests regions as a whole will have that the people don’t.

So in theory makes sense.

The UKs system is a hangover from the feudal system really. Land owners having a vote in one House and Commoners a vote in the other. Over time the Commons became the defacto powerful one.

In the UK we are a fairly unitary Goverment. The executive branch is separate from the legislature and the courts aren’t entirely independent. 

As International Debris says, it’s one of those things that in principle I (as a lot of people) are opposed to but it does just work and it would be ridiculous to change it for another system of political voting.

[Formica]

Some other notes about the Senate:

– It’s intentionally a body that creates more inertia. Only a third of the Senators being elected each cycle means that it will usually take longer to represent massive swings in opinion, meaning political fads won’t show up there as strongly.

– Senators were originally appointed by state legislatures until about 100 years ago. I believe the thinking here included that this would make the Senate less likely to gobble up the states’ powers, and again to not instantly capture political fads.

– The Senate was the compromise to get some smaller states to sign on to the Constitution, as without it they had more power under the prior document, the Articles of Confederation (not the really bad Confederation), where Congress was a unicameral body where each state delegation got one vote. As with a lot of the worst structures of US government, slavery plays a bit of a role here but not as much as some others (see the electoral college).

I do think the Senate was a bad idea! But there’s some more context to the reasoning behind it, regardless.

[Dave]

[Technopeasant]

As International Debris says, it’s one of those things that in principle I (as a lot of people) are opposed to but it does just work and it would be ridiculous to change it for another system of political voting.

I feel that way about the monarchy, especially since here in Canada we get to do it at arm’s length. I still do not see why we need a whole second chamber of aristocrats though.

[Smeg4Brains]

[Dave]

[Unrumble]

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

That surely isn’t a headline is it?

Even if it were vaguely close, I find it hilarious that those that supposedly are ardent capitalists get incredibly angry when people exercise their right to choose within a free market. 

[RunawayTrain]

That surely isn’t a headline is it?
Even if it were vaguely close, I find it hilarious that those that supposedly are ardent capitalists get incredibly angry when people exercise their right to choose within a free market. 

Oh it is

[International Debris]

Meh, The Sun referred to HS2 as ‘woke’ a couple of years back. We’re on the verge of it becoming a truly meaningless buzzword to mean “anything reactionaries don’t like”, and they’ll have to come up with a new word soon. All we need is some leftie types to start calling the right woke for being thin skinned and it’ll disappear for good.

PC gone mad, snowflakes, SJWs, triggered, woke, I wonder what’ll be next.

[RunawayTrain]

^ The new(ish) insult is DEI (Diversity, Equality and Inclusion, although some people in social justice spaces are adding A for Accessibility because disabled people somehow still get overlooked by DEI initiatives).  I’m sure you can work out what the insulters really mean by that.

[Nick R]

PC gone mad, snowflakes, SJWs, triggered, woke, I wonder what’ll be next.

It’ll loop all the way back round to “do-gooders” and the cycle will begin anew.

[Unrumble]

[Ben Saunders]

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

[Technopeasant]

I mean, on the sandwiches thing we found an issue probably closer to Craig’s heart than Chris’.

[Jenuall]

Now don’t ask about Commander Maxil…
Have you ever played Blood then Jenuall?

Bit of a bump but I missed this – yes I played Blood back in the day and very much enjoyed it but I’ve never really felt the need to revisit it unlike Doom which seems to be the gift that keeps on giving! I played most of the Build engine games (Duke3D etc.) but they never quite grabbed me in the same way. Quite enjoyed messing around with some of the level editors for it back then though!

[Technopeasant]

I mean, I am the co-founder of the Blood Wiki so you know which way my bread is buttered. Nothing will ever beat the first episode of Doom though. Pure Romero goodness. Which is why playing Doom the Way id Did was my gaming highlight of the past few years.

[Technopeasant]

More a mundane observation, but why were they stockpiling suger puffs seemingly before Lister arrived?

[Future Producer of Series IX – aaaaany day now]

I was waiting for someone to bring up Doom because those UAC base corridors always reminded me of RD.

[Nick R]

[Technopeasant]

I was waiting for someone to bring up Doom because those UAC base corridors always reminded me of RD.

Both were inspired by Alien.

It was Rise of the Triad that featured Red Dwarf references though.

[Jenuall]

ROTT has a fantastic soundtrack. The recent “Ludicrous” edition is worth picking up if anyone fancies revisiting it for some nostalgia hits.

I mean, I am the co-founder of the Blood Wiki so you know which way my bread is buttered. Nothing will ever beat the first episode of Doom though. Pure Romero goodness. Which is why playing Doom the Way id Did was my gaming highlight of the past few years.

Ah that’s really cool! Is it this one? https://blood-wiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

I’ve got a small group of friends who meet up to play retro shooters (I refuse to use the term “boomer shooter”!) once a week and we did do some Blood multiplayer a while back, sadly the performance wasn’t great with lots of lag when certain players joined so we didn’t spend to long on it.

Whilst we’re on the topic, I’m currently working on making my own Doom II episode, aiming for 7-9 maps at this point but I may either drop that or extend it depending on how long my ideas last! It’s a very satisfying era of games to mess around with creating your own stuff – enough flexibility to do something creative but not so complex that it takes forever to achieve anything!

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