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  • in reply to: The Name of The Doctor #208044
    jmc2000
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    PetePartThree:

    “I wouldn’t hold out for amazing numbers on this. It’ll likely be a limited release…”

    Yeah, fair point. But I’d like it to do well relative to expectations. It would be nice if whoever wrote the cheque thought, “That went better than expected – we’ll do it again from time to time!”

    in reply to: The Name of The Doctor #208034
    jmc2000
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    “To that end I have no problem with them continuing the story they’ve set up, which judging by set photos and the information we’ve been given so far is exactly what they’ll be doing.”

    Sorry, I might have explained myself poorly. I know that’s what they’ll be doing… but that doesn’t mean they have to literally pick up the minute the cliffhanger left off. They could open the 50th Anniversary episode some time later, with an exciting little vignette that re-establishes the characters in classic Who fashion, then do whatever flashbacks or exposition they need once bums are settled in seats.

    Exactly what I’m hoping is that they can continue/conclude the missing Doctor story in a way that makes just as much sense to newcomers, because I’ve got friends who like sci-fi (but aren’t big Doctor Who fans) that I reckon I could talk into a cinema expedition. I want the special to be a box office success because it bodes well for further episodes in 3D/cinemas. If they literally start the episode with the Doctor and Clara wandering around the time stream, that might be quite alienating to anyone who hasn’t been following the series religiously.

    in reply to: The Name of The Doctor #208031
    jmc2000
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    I feel the opposite actually. The next episode will be the 50th Anniversary special, which will be shown in 3D in cinemas. Obviously it’s going to advance this particular story, but I’m hoping it will also be sufficiently “standaloney” for casual watchers and non-Who fans to wander in and enjoy it as a movie. So I don’t think it would be a good idea to pick up the thread immediately following the Jon Hurt reveal, with the Doctor and Clara wandering around the time stream looking for a way out.

    I think it would be better to start the movie some time later, to allow for the characters and core concepts (e.g., the Tardis) to be introduced in an organic way that will enlighten casual watchers without boring the die-hards (I think the opening of Serenity was a good example of this).

    in reply to: Sebby P #208019
    jmc2000
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    Damn. Paradox upon paradox.

    > User: Could you explain the meaning of something to me?
    >
    > Cleverbot: I know that I don’t know everything. And you don’t know everything either.
    >
    > User: Will you at least try?
    >
    > Cleverbot: Yes.
    >
    > User: Do you think it’s possible to escape the everything?
    >
    > Cleverbot: I think that it’s possible.

    in reply to: Sebby P #208017
    jmc2000
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    > Cleverbot: You can’t escape the everything!

    I think I’ve just found my new life mantra. It’s true. You really *can’t* escape the everything.

    in reply to: The Name of The Doctor #208007
    jmc2000
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    Pete Part Three: “I should have made it more clear. I meant that both the threat, and the resolution of the threat is so vague. The GI scatters himself through time…but we don’t see what he does. And we don’t see what Clara does to resolve this. We see her -kinda- mingling with the other Doctors but we get no examples of how she swoops in to save him from the GI.”

    It *is* a bit vague. But I don’t think it’s quite as direct as Clara saving the Doctor from the Great Intelligence. I think the Great Intelligence behaved as a saboteur at various points in the Doctor’s timeline, and Clara was there shortly after to put things right in an equally subtle way. I don’t think she needs to have confronted the Great Intelligence directly.

    Remember, we *do* see – or rather, have already seen – clear examples of how she saves the Doctor from disaster. Her scattered incarnations helped him through the events of Dalek Asylum and The Snowmen. I guess the implication is that, originally, the Doctor must have survived or completely avoided those encounters without needing Clara’s help. However, the Great Intelligence would have revisited such occasions and done some subtle meddling to make them end in failure.

    For instance, in the case of Dalek Asylum, perhaps he was responsible for that starliner crashing in the first place, setting in motion a chain of events that resulted in the Doctor failing or doing something terrible.

    After the Great Intelligence enters the Doctor’s timeline, but before Clara follows, we have to assume that his life history has been transformed into a catalogue of disasters, and is probably in the process of collapsing due to paradox (since any early failures – like stealing the wrong Tardis – would make future failures impossible, because he wouldn’t even be there to screw things up).

    Luckily, once Clara’s incarnations are scattered through time, each scenario then gets rewritten a third time, with Clara’s help tipping the balance back in the Doctor’s favour.

    As it stands by the end of The Name of the Doctor, the Doctor’s timeline has been through three rewrites. In the first draft, he did many good deeds across space and time; in the second, he failed or did dreadful things because the Great Intelligence was (unknown to him) always lurking in the shadows; and in the third and final draft, although he was dogged by sabotage from the Great Intelligence, he still succeeded, because Clara’s various incarnations gave him little leg-ups when he needed them (although he was rarely aware of her efforts and would have interpreted much of her help as mere good fortune).

    in reply to: The Name of The Doctor #207990
    jmc2000
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    Ridley: “Twas a great finale for a rather underwhelming series.”

    I agree totally :o) I think it was my favourite of the Eleventh Doctor finales, and it was a lovely simple explanation (well – simple by Who standards) of the Clara mystery.

    I wasn’t the only one who enjoyed it… I happened to be staying at my parents’ house last weekend, and – since it was a special episode – they agreed to tape Britain’s Got Talent and have Doctor Who on instead. After I provided a bit of verbal context, they were engrossed from start to end (the goodbye kiss with River Song – “since no one else in this room can see you, God knows how that looked” – got a huge laugh, and afterwards my dad asked whether the show was “always that good”!).

    That’s a huge turnaround from the last time I managed to get my family to watch Doctor Who, which was when David Tennant made his last appearance. Everyone hated it (including me), and by the time the Ood started singing, people were actually rounding on me angrily and verbally attacking me for making them watch it (I think they felt like I’d ruined Christmas).

    Connell: “Does anyone really give an utter **** about Jenny and Strax and Madame Vastra anymore?”

    I *love* Strax. He always makes me laugh. I especially liked the previous episode, when he gave his steed a verbal dressing-down (“Horse!! You have failed in your mission!). I think the gang make for fine secondary characters in the Whoniverse and would be happy to see them again.

    On the other hand, I feel that River Song’s story has definitely been told now. It’s a good story with nice closure, but I don’t think we need her back.

    jmc2000
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    Lister, singing: “Cathe-e-edral City Seven…”

    [FX: Loud bang as the Vitalite™ barrier is broken.]

    Lister: What was that?!

    Bertolli: Erm, er, 11:14 ship time, Dave.

    Lister: No, Bertolli, what was that flash?

    Bertolli: We’ve broken the Vitalite barrier 22 hours early.

    Lister: Olivi-oh. Is everyone Stork Light?

    Bertolli: I can’t do it. I can’t cope. We’re going at the speed of Vitalite. Me bottle’s gone.

    Lister: Bertolli! Is everyone Stork Light?!

    Bertolli: No! *I’m* not! I thought I could Cow & Gate at Vitalite speed, but I just can’t Lurpak me bread round it. Fillipo Berio! That was a close one…

    Lister: Bertolli, what’s the problem? You’re toast to have a Bresse Bleu of 6,000, aren’t you?

    Bertolli: Look, we’re travelling faster than the speed of Vitalite. That means, by the time we Dairylea something, we’ve all bready passed through it. Even with a Saint Ivel Q of 6,000, it’s still brown trousers time!

    jmc2000
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    Lister: No, the moose aren’t in the cars – antlers out the sun roof! They’re in the roads, moosing about, crossing roads, causing accidents!

    Cat: You mean they’re not looking left and right?

    Lister: Exactly.

    Cat: Not using the pedestrian crossings?

    Lister: Exactly!

    Cat: Not paying attention as to whether it’s a little green man or a little red man? Of course they’re not, they’re mooses! Jeez… Swedes. They expect too much!

    [Awkward silence]

    Cat: Butter.

    in reply to: Yet More Doctor Dwarf #116847
    jmc2000
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    “The plural of TARDIS is actually TARDISes. Sorry to spoil your fun.”

    He is actually correct.

    “Not any more – but there have been many Tardises on my back in days gone by.” The Doctor’s Wife.

    “No, no, no, no, listen. Reconfigure the two Tardises into time cone inverters? It would work. What a brilliant mind.” Logopolis.

    “This is a fully-fledged Dalek Empire, at the height of its power. Experts at fighting Tardises, they can do anything. Right now, that wooden door is just wood.” Journey’s End.

    At least I still have faecis.

    in reply to: Yet More Doctor Dwarf #116851
    jmc2000
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    @ori

    “Scrumping for Tardis’s….Tardi?”

    The plural of “emphasis” is “emphases” (and thesis = theses, etc.), so I’m going to succest Tardes.

    Which now makes me wonder if there’s such a word as “faecis”. As in, one piece of poo?

    in reply to: How long do you (realisticaly) want RD to run for? #114553
    jmc2000
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    I’d love for it to last forever. Let the current cast do it until they retire and then (after a respectful period) reboot with a new cast.

    I love franchises that are big enough to get lost in, where you can argue about the relative merits of this versus that till the cows come home. Star Trek is a good example. Marvel and DC comics are attractive because they tell and retell the same stories a hundred different ways. And Doctor Who is fantastic for franchise-building because of the regeneration device, which lets them refresh the cast without needing to reboot (I really love the fact that it’s all one long story about the same character).

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