Norm’s post-Dwarf tell-all

[Phil]

Posted as a bulletin on his myspace, subject line “thanks”:

I’ve had loads of nice messages from myspace friends since I posted a bulletin about not being involved in the new Red Dwarf stuff for the Dave channel.

I want to say thanks for your support and thanks to those who bought a copy of my DVD. I also had around 80 people who decided not to be a myspace friend anymore and I found that rather sad really.

Here’s something else that will probably make a few more of you depart. I will not be involved in any more RD and have decided to write a book on my experiences with Red Dwarf. It will be truthful, entertaining and give you an insight into my life which has not been very ordinary. I have been asked to write an autobiography on many occasions and I now feel the time is right.

Thanks again.
Norman

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[Andrew]

I especially like the extra T at the end of ‘Lovettt’.

[locusceruleus]

I don’t expect TOS will have anything to say about this?

A ‘thankyou to Norm for 3 series of enjoyable work. We’re sorry to hear he’s decided not to have anything more to do with the show, and wish him all the best with his future endeavors’ would put a smile on my twisted face.

[clem]

Norm’s a cunttt.

[Pete Part Three]

Brilliant, VS.

[Mister E]

I only recently found out that Lovett was a bit of a prick regarding these kind of incidents, but his latest whinge just comes across as bitter and unprofessional. Picking on the guys for not being funny on Breakfast is completely unecessary and a bit of a cheap shot, and taking it as an insult that he’s not on the specials is just a bit silly. If they really wanted Holly and didn’t want him back, surely they would’ve just got Hattie in to do it.

[Alex]

I especially like the extra T at the end of ?Lovettt?.

Oh… Bugger. Still, that’s what I get for rushing it then not saving the master.

[ChrisM]

I only recently found out that Lovett was a bit of a prick regarding these kind of incidents, but his latest whinge just comes across as bitter and unprofessional.

The irritating thing is some people are taking what he’s said on Myspace as fact*. I came across a website today where someone left a comment stating they would be boycotting the shows over Easter as a result of ‘how unfairly Norman Lovett was treated.’ (To be fair it was a comment response to an article not the views of the article writers themselves.)
I left a comment of my own to leave that thread in a more positive note.

*Although I’m sure he sees it that way. Ok, it probably was a bit unfair to just send him an email telling him he wasn’t required (if that is true) but the reasons for leaving him out were valid.

[hummingbird]

He’s been this way for a long time, not just since BtE was announced.

[Alex]

Corrected version here:

[locusceruleus]

>Ok, it probably was a bit unfair to just send him an email telling him he wasn?t required.

Personally I think it’s more presumptuous of Norm to think he would be included in a revival. I mean, he doesn’t appear in the majority of Red Dwarf, though of course he is a substantial part of it’s legacy. All the same, an e-mail seems perfectly adequate to me, especially considering he clearly has such a low opinion of his RD co-stars and creative team. He seems to have a very strange view of the world. None of his castmates called him? So what? Clearly he’s not friends with them. Do you call everyone who ever did a stint at your place of work when you’re given a new assignment?

I wonder if the way Norm is being will affect the way anyone sees his performances in the old episodes. I know rationally, it shouldn’t affect anything, but I’m reminded of the fact that I’ve never seen the more Kramer-heavy episodes of Seinfeld in the same light since Michael Richard’s racism ‘incident’ (not that I’m by any means comparing what MR did with Norm’s whingey-old-fartedness).

It’s bizarre, because Craig’s problems certainly didn’t affect my perception of Lister. I think I find this more disappointing, personal and distracting RD-wise because he so clearly either greatly dislikes or is jealous of everyone else involved.

If anyone has a right to be pissed at GNP, I’d argue it was Hattie. I’ve already posted a lot about my preference for her Holly performances over Norm’s, but aside from that (and I admit I may be making a few assumptions here) she took on the role he willingly left behind, was quite suddenly written out in series 6, and when the character was reintroduced, was passed over in favour of the person who’d already turned his back on it once. Despite this, she continues to attend fan conventions, put in RD appearances (i.e. Beat The Geek) when requested, and has to my knowledge never voiced much in the way of bitterness about her tenure with the show.

When all’s said and done, almost every franchise has one. Norm’s ours.

[hummingbird]

> I wonder if the way Norm is being will affect the way anyone sees his performances in the old episodes.

Funny you should say that. I’ve been watching series 1 tonight, and it’s hard to watch him without being constantly reminded of his attitude.

[Nakrophile]

Yeah, it does colour your attitude somewhat when you watch them again.

[Nick R]

It’s disappointing to see he feels that way about the programme and its crew. But compared to the sort of things musicians say about each other after their bands split up, Norman’s comments are pretty mild.

[JamesTC]

Nah, watching Series 1 and 2 yesterday I still think he is funny, I mean he didn’t write the lines. Lines like “Be grateful for what you’ve got because frankly I’m fantastic” still have me laughing like an idiot.

[Ben Paddon]

Appreciate. Basically.

[Pete Part Three]

pwned.

[Pete Part Three]

I nominate Norm for Stasis.

[Alex]

You forgot to include the words ?Red Dwarf?, large and prominently placed

Better?:
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[curtis]

Wow, so much hate in this thread. I too find it sad that Norman’s posted these things, however, he might have legitimate reasons for his grievances. I think its awful to see such nasty character assassinations about him when people aren’t in possession of all the facts.

[hummingbird]

He may well have legitimate reasons for everything he says, but why does he have to act so unprofessionally? Why does he have to publicly criticise everyone connected with RD while simultaneously cashing in on his association with the show? Even without being “in possession of all the facts” that much is patently obvious from what he, himself, has posted on his own site.

I don’t hate Norm, but I do find his attitude objectionable.

[locusceruleus]

>he might have legitimate reasons for his grievances.

When he chooses to publicly air ‘grievances’ like the fact that Doug came up with an in-plot idea to explain Holly’s absence and punctuates it with “This gives you an idea of what the people who make Red Dwarf (GrantNaylor) are like”, as if it’s some personal slight to him, we can gauge enough to have an opinion, I think.

“I watched Chris, Robert and Danny on BBC Breakfast News this morning. Talk about laughs take a holiday.” is just nasty and unnecessary.

“Not one of the cast have got in touch with me which just shows how self centred they are.” Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

>I think its awful to see such nasty character assassinations about him.

I think it’s awful to see a supposed professional post a myspace bulletin slamming his former co-stars for not being funny on breakfast TV.

[Tanya Jones]

Norm’s been unfair about GNP for a while now, Curtis; his comments about GNP finding film funding are particularly objectionable and self-serving.

[si]

I don’t hate Norm, I just think he’s a bitter old twat.

[Alex]

He’s been slowly burning his bridges for years now. You can hear it on the DVDs, in interviews, in his comments about the film and GNP apparently lying to people etc etc etc. As si says, it’s not that we hate him, it’s more like being a parent disapointed with a small child for throwing a moody.

[curtis]

Ah well, Im not intending to fall out with anyone, especially on today of all days, and you do make some good points. I say we lay down our weapons and have a fantastic weekend.*

*First person to call him a bald cunt after the specials air though gets a slap ;)

[Dax101]

norman will be watching tonight im sure, lets wait for his review tomorow or monday :)

[Jonsmad]

He’s probably already written it Dax101.

[locusceruleus]

>Ah well, Im not intending to fall out with anyone, especially on today of all days, and you do make some good points. I say we lay down our weapons and have a fantastic weekend.*

Indeed, no point letting one miserable git with a chip on his shoulder spoil the party.

[si]

A microchip, him being a computer and all.

Ohmysides! Nurse!

[Mr-Stabby]

>norman will be watching tonight im sure

I believe he’s actually written that he will be watching, green ink poised.

[hummingbird]

Tweet from Bobby in reply to someone asking if Norm had a twitter account:

Don’t know if Norman has an account. Don’t know if he’ll speak to me ever again, hope so, he’s brilliant https://twitter.com/bobbyllew/status/1497704463

The man is far too generous for his own good, if you ask me.

[Alex]

Here we go:

norm said to me on Myspace that he’s disappointed. “where were the jokes?” and “no one was on top form” were some of his comments

[Dax101]

(sarcasm mode)

wow see if we had norman back he would be on top of all forms everywhere :P

just look how top form he was in series 8 after 10 years since he left in 1988 :P

[Mnoooah]

Putting up with Norm: YR DOIN IT RIGHT:

“@MimFox Don’t know if Norman has an account. Don’t know if he’ll speak to me ever again, hope so, he’s brilliant”

:P

[si]

This is best from Robert:

@MacabreMagpie Have seen Norm's comments. Think his claim to 'not being bitter' is a little….. bitter. He's always been a lovely old grump

— Robert Llewellyn (@bobbyllew) April 11, 2009

[Zombie Jim Undead]

> just look how top form he was in series 8 after 10 years since he left in 1988 :P

Ah, yes. Norm in Series 8. All the comic talent of a man with head injuries reading a tired joke off a distant beer mat.

[Nakrophile]

I’d love to kiss Robert in his face.

[Jo]

When was Norm’s bulletin posted on MySpace? – I’ve just looked and not been able to find it.

[si]

Maybe it’s all part of the BtE storyline, and now it’s been taken down, so that when it turns out that he’s not a miserable twat after all, we’ll all be particularly guilty.

[hummingbird]

If you’re right then all the whinging he’s done since 1988 is all an act.

[ori-STUDFARM]

With Hatty confirmed for DJ XV, would we see Holly ever return in his female guise?

[Jo]

>With Hatty confirmed for DJ XV, would we see Holly ever return in his female guise?

I can confirm that we at the Fan Club have no insider knowledge when it comes to GNP’s casting decisions and so this has no bearing on the guest bookings. Hattie was invited as she is a lovely lady who always tries to stick around for as much of the weekend as possible.

[Dax101]

something someone post on imdb about normals final verdict of BTE

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t150/Caboose_1991/Norman.jpg

[Carlito]

So will Norman still be getting invited to DJs in the future?

[si]

I don’t think he should be invited for budgetry reasons.

[Ian Symes]

They should tell him his hotel room is waterlogged.

[Seb Patrick]

“I’m glad I wasn’t involved”.

Yeeeeeah, you sound like it. Good luck selling all your stuff without using the words “Red Dwarf” on it. Oh wait, you still will.

[JamesTC]

You see now we know why Norman was so adamant about his face appearing on screen.

[Ben Paddon]

I don’t know what Norm’s problem is. He was in Back To Earth!

[JamesTC]

He will put it on his CV.

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