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  • #225201
    Ben Saunders
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    …but in the mirror universe, does Rimmer have an enormous cock, or a fanny? When I was young I assumed it was a fanny, but now I’m older I’m thinking enormous cock.

    #225202
    bloodteller
    Participant

    in the mirror universe, shouldn’t Rimmer have become a black female mechanoid called remmiR? since it’s meant to be a universe where everything turns opposite, after all.

    by that logic, Red Dwarf would be blue and also not in space but on land. a landship.

    (to answer the question, yes his cock is huge)

    #225210

    I always assumed it was lady bits too. Bet then he doesn’t have tits so who knows.

    #225211

    I always assumed it was lady bits too. Bet then he doesn’t have tits so who knows.

    #225212
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    My nine-or-whatever-year-old self didn’t know that differently sized penises/anxiety thereof was a thing, so defaulted to “the opposite of a willy is a vagina”, and laughed at the joke anyway.

    It doesn’t matter in the slightest, but if I ever see Doug Naylor I’ll be sure to ask him.

    Shouldn’t a mirror universe not exist, because ours exists? Etc

    #225216

    Only the Good definitely isn’t alright.

    #225218
    Lily
    Participant

    It never occurred to me that it would be anything other than a massive cock.

    How many other dick jokes went over nine-year-old you’s head? Bodyswap and double polaroid spring to mind for a start.

    #225219
    bloodteller
    Participant

    i still don’t quite understand the dick joke in Bodyswap

    #225220
    bloodteller
    Participant

    what was in Lister’s pants that shocked Rimmer so much?

    #225221
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    A big dick because Rimmer has never seen one.

    #225222
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I think we debated this fairly recently.

    Huge cock / manky cock

    #225223
    Lily
    Participant

    I think we debated this fairly recently.

    Huge cock / manky cock

    I’d go for huge cock. The manky hygiene jokes are in the following shower scene.

    #225224
    Hamish
    Participant

    Giant death worm.

    #225225
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    With the hindsight of Only The Good, I now assume Lister has an enormous penis (compared to Rimmer, anyway), but when I was young idk what the fuck I thought it was. A manky piss colour, I should think.

    The double polaroid definitely went over my head. Even now, how enormous must Kryten’s cock be for it to take up two pictures, and how strange does it look that it isn’t immediately obvious what the photograph is of from just one of them?

    Do all the Red Dwarf crew members have really strange cocks? Cat’s would be barbed, right?

    #225227

    > what was in Lister’s pants that shocked Rimmer so much?

    I always thought this was his urine being green … he sees it, is shocked, then tells Lister it isn’t right.

    #225228
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >Even now, how enormous must Kryten’s cock be for it to take up two pictures

    These cocks are far away.

    #225230
    Hamish
    Participant

    > Do all the Red Dwarf crew members have really strange cocks? Cat’s would be barbed, right?

    Someone has obviously not read Backwards…

    #225233
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I’m working on it mate I’ll have it read by 2020

    #225237
    bloodteller
    Participant

    does kochanski have a big penis in the mirror universe?

    #225238
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    does kochanski have a big penis in the mirror universe?

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/354/018/b57.gif

    #225244
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    This just in: The Series VIII deleted scenes confirm that Rimmer does, indeed, have a gargantuan knob

    #225248
    bloodteller
    Participant

    but what about kochanski

    #225250
    Lily
    Participant

    >The double polaroid definitely went over my head. Even now, how enormous must Kryten’s cock be for it to take up two pictures, and how strange does it look that it isn’t immediately obvious what the photograph is of from just one of them?

    Men are generally -really- bad at taking photos of their dicks. Too close up, over-exposed, bad angles. If he’s holding the camera so close that he needs a double polaroid, it’s just going to look like a random veiny body part. Trust me on this one.

    #225254
    Jawscvmcdia
    Participant

    Lily, may I ask, presuming you are a girl, how do you know this?

    #225256
    Rubber
    Participant

    My experience of photographing my own dick is that it’s difficult for me to get the angle right.

    #225257
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    It’s really easy if you’re lying down.

    #225262
    Moonlight
    Participant

    does Rimmer have an enormous cock, or a fanny?

    Technically, having a pair of buttocks on the front would ALSO count as opposite, so the question still holds if you go by the American meaning of “fanny”.

    I’d love to see how the BBFC deals with the fact that we use it as a harmless child-friendly word for bum.

    #225263
    Dave
    Participant

    Well, they used to happily show “The Nanny” on TV before the watershed over here.

    #225267
    flanl3
    Participant

    Well, Kryten was laying down the entire time in DNA, and if the underwear elastic went “across the room” then I’d absolutely go for it being monster and not just a bad photograph. Maybe the first one looked more like a picture from Rimmer’s telegraph pole collection, and the second one more like the front cover from “In Search of the Far Side”.

    #225268
    flanl3
    Participant

    Oh, and in Bodyswap, that’s the face of being shocked at the size, not disgusted by poor hygiene. That would be a completely different face.

    #225269
    flanl3
    Participant

    Also, in Only the Good…, in the mirror universe faces and genitals could also swap since they’re opposites, and it “just so happens” that the censor bar they’ve put over Rimmer’s genitals looks exactly like his face (and with everybody else), and in face when he lifts the covers under there is his face looking at a willy (or maybe twat) looking back at him from off his head. Gives a whole new meaning to Belgian kissing doesn’t it? Then again, one could also make the argument that raping your sister in public whenever you see her is standard reaction in an opposite universe. Also, does she really mean it when she’s disgusted? If it’s opposite, then maybe what she says is the opposite of what she means? Also, why would he be in bed to rest when he should be exercising by running on a treadmill on the roof to rest? And why isn’t every color inverted? And why are they in space when they should be in a Jeep? And why aren’t there 961,1 people instead? And why does Rimmer drink through his genitals and not with his face? And why doesn’t he have legs where his arms should be and buttocks on his chest and an anus in the back of his neck? And why wasn’t everybody dead?

    #225270
    flanl3
    Participant

    Good night, everyone.

    #225271
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Only The Good is a brilliantly, meta deconstructionist piece of television as it’s the complete opposite of what Red Dwarf should be.

    #225272
    Moonlight
    Participant

    As a kid I always interpreted that line as “underpants-o-lastic”, as if it was some strange term he made up for stretchy underwear.

    #225273
    Rubber
    Participant

    The thing I always hated the most was the ellipsis in the title. When did Red Dwarf become a programme with terrible little cliche sitcom/Casualty-style episode titles based around bits of well-worn phrases and adages? Plus it totally fucked up the alignment of the lists of episode titles I used to enjoy making as a kid. YOU WERE ALL THE SAME, shut up.

    #225277
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Hollister has a massive cock too if Pete is to be believed. Stopping a lift door from closing when you aren’t catching a lift etc.

    #225280
    bloodteller
    Participant

    why oh why didn’t they just call it “Mirror/rorriM” like it was originally called? that’s a much better title than “Only the Good…”

    also, what the FUCK does ‘only the good die young’ even mean? it sounds like a song title

    #225282
    bloodteller
    Participant

    rimmer’s not even particularly young

    #225283
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    It’s a saying, innit. And Rimmer is supposed to be the she he was in Series I, which is……………

    #225284
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    The age*, he’s not trans

    #225287
    bloodteller
    Participant

    still not that young though, is he? he’s around 30-something

    #225288
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    For the record, it is a song by Billy Joel. There’s also an Iron Maiden song of the same title.

    I always took Rimmer’s use of it to mean that only the good die young sacrificing themselves in a heroic, noble manner. But complete cowardly custard gits and connivers like him would put self preservation above everything.

    #225289
    Lily
    Participant

    Bit older than Billy Joel.

    “He whom the gods love dies young” Menander, greek playright, 300BC

    The gods loving the talented, virtuous, heroic ‘good’ and wanted those mortals with them in the afterlife so took them young.

    #225296
    Me Own Stunts
    Participant

    Only the Good is not alright. It is deeply shit.

    /thread

    #225300
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    It’s a series of skits and the mirror universe thing comes out of nowhere, but at the end of Series VIII I’m just glad to have a couple of laughs

    #225301

    There are laughs in Only the Good…?

    #225302
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    A few, yeah.

    Funniest thing about it though is the cast pissing themselves laughing at Ackerman’s “super suck” on the commentary, though

    #225306
    bloodteller
    Participant

    i might’ve liked Only The Good… if it were executed better. as it stands, it’s way too focused on stuff like Talia (who IS she?) and the escalating pranks shit, wheras it really should have had more of a focus on the Dwarfers’ actual escape from prison and the Mirror Universe.

    #225307
    bloodteller
    Participant

    for the 3 episodes of setup it took to actually get them INTO prison, it felt like such a copout for it to just jumpcut to them smashing open an airvent and crawling out.

    #225308
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    I’m not in love with VIII, but I thought it would have been a better use of it’s time if we’d had Back in the Red as one episode (extended or not) and then the next seven being a mix of Canary missions and Porridge-esque prison scams.

    #225309
    Dax101
    Participant

    Just think if Doug had his way originally Red Dwarf would have ended with Series 8 with the crew getting back to earth in that kinda VIII shinanigans sort of way.

    Can only imagine that would have either stopped BTE to XII being made or it wouldn’t have and Doug would have ignored or made up some parallel universe excuse to allow the show to keep going.

    After all its not like he cares all that much about the ending of Only the Good.

    #225310
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >I’m not in love with VIII, but I thought it would have been a better use of it’s time if we’d had Back in the Red as one episode (extended or not) and then the next seven being a mix of Canary missions and Porridge-esque prison scams.

    THIS. so much time is spent in Back In The Red setting up the whole prison ordeal, and it only ends up lasting for 4 and 1/2 episodes- it ends up feeling like a waste of time.

    #225311
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >Just think if Doug had his way originally Red Dwarf would have ended with Series 8 with the crew getting back to earth in that kinda VIII shinanigans sort of way.

    checked in the scriptbook and yeah, they were going to get back to Earth by using “the antimatter generator found in the Mirror Universe” which is a bit of a weak way for them to get home tbh.

    wait a minute, was the line in Back In The Red Part 1 about the ship now having an “antimatter generator” supposed to foreshadow the “Earth” episode? i suppose them mentioning it beforehand would’ve made it feel slightly less shoehorned in, but either way what would a mining ship need antimatter generation for?

    #225332
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Watching Only The Good and then immediately watching Back to Earth made me realise they use extremely similar plot points – in both, the Dwarfers invent some fucking gun out of thin air that allows them to travel between dimensions. At least in BtE, we have a smart sciencey person invent it, and we’re given a lovely montage of Sophie Winkleman being smoking and building it.

    (and it’s not real)

    #225337
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    To be fair, Katerina is supposedly a science officer of the crew, so would have been present in Only the Good too, along with a lot of other intelligent people you’d assume.

    I always thought that if you’d gone with the crew, all the ships, intelligent people and supplies, they would have got back to Earth pretty quick sharpish. They also had the good Holly. If the shit one can make the hop drive, the good one could probably get them back to Earth and probably even to the correct time period with a bit of wibbly space thing assistance, or another time drive from a derelict.

    #225338
    Moonlight
    Participant

    and we’re given a lovely montage of Sophie Winkleman being smoking and building it.

    I’m pretty sure that was a fog machine.

    #225339
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    The vibe I got from the crew in VIII was everybody was far too concerned with “how the hell did we get here” as opposed to “how the hell do we get back”, like it never occurred to them to try and return because they were all too preoccupied with being confused.

    And nah, you don’t need a smoke machine when you have Sophia Winkleman on your set

    #225340
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Good Holly didn’t have three million years of boredom that led him to tinkering with dimension jump technology to pass the time

    #225341

    The other thing BTE has going for it is that they don’t actually invent anything or go anywhere

    #225344
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Possibly, but considering in later series space is basically the middle aisle of Aldi, they’d have picked up a time drive or dimension ripper or Supralight FTL drive or something that would have them back.

    I always thought that conversation between Hollister and Newton showed Hollister in a good light, as though they’re on it and they’ll have possible solutions soon, which is contradicted unfortunately later on, of all the series VIII issues, Dennis the donut boy annoys me more than most.

    #225350
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    They go on a metaphysical odyssey, quinn

    I don’t really see anything wrong with Donut Boy but I feel like everyone else on the entire planet does

    You could go from Donut Boy to Good Captain if you tried hard enough, one doesn’t disallow the other

    #225351
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    When I say I don’t see anything, I understand why people think it undermines the character

    #225353

    I’m not very fond of Comedy Hollister in general – in the first two series, he’s played straight, which allows humour to happen around him, without compromising the fact that he’s meant to be captain of a massive fucking spaceship.

    #225354
    Jawscvmcdia
    Participant

    TWO MONTHS IN THE HOLE!

    #225355
    bloodteller
    Participant

    to be fair you don’t see much of him in the first 2 seasons, maybe he was eating donuts while we weren’t looking

    #225356
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Yeah you could do a good job having got there in the wrong way, there are people practicing law and even medicine that are perfectly good at it until it’s found out they never passes their exams or something, and maybe the situation they’re in would bring something out of him and he’d be immense in a time of crisis, but it’s just a bit unnecessary to turn every character into a comedy one. In Series VIII when you have Ackerman as the ridiculous authority figure can’t Hollister just be the captain? It can still be funny, the chicken costume was funny, probably more funny because the character has been established as competent and respected so it’s unexpected.

    It’s nice to have a serious character to act as a bit of a threat or pallet cleanser.

    #225358
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    *Passed *Palate

    If somebody would clean my pallets though I’d appreciate it.

    #225363
    flanl3
    Participant

    Could somebody clean up my pellets please?

    #225419
    Captain Bollocks
    Participant

    But she wasn’t real, so she wouldn’t have been there. Unless they managed to hallucinate someone they’d never met but who did actually exist, which would be next level weird.

    More pressingly, the question remains; If she *was* real and had crossed over through the mirror universe, would she have had a big fat throbber of a cock? Even though the men were clearly still men and the women were clearly still women?

    #225420
    Captain Bollocks
    Participant

    Well, I fucked up that attempt at quoting.

    #225441
    flanl3
    Participant

    Well, I fucked up that attempt at quoting.

    I mean, who hasn’t, though?

    #225442
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Resorting to >meme arrows seems to be the way to go

    #225445
    flanl3
    Participant

    Resorting to >meme arrows seems to be the way to go

    #225447
    Dave
    Participant

    Resorting to

    meme

    arrows seems to be the way to go

    #225449
    Lily
    Participant

    Show off.

    #225450
    flanl3
    Participant

    Resorting

    to

    >meme

    arrows

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    be

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    go

    #225453
    Dave
    Participant

    Not as easy as it looks, is it.

    #225474
    bloodteller
    Participant

    so… is Only The Good alright?

    #225478
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    For Series VIII yeah

    #225479
    bloodteller
    Participant

    i do quite like the metal-eating virus appearing at the start of the episode and then finally coming into play towards the end, that was quite clever.

    but then again, Justice already did that much better

    #225482
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Tfw basic plot setup and payoff is described as “clever” in Series VIII – that’s how bad it is

    #225485

    It’s not much of a payoff, either. Virus lands on ship. Virus starts destroying ship. No conclusion.

    #225488
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I take it you haven’t seen Season XI

    #225489
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Season IX, I mean. Pesky Roman numerals.

    #225493
    bloodteller
    Participant

    there’s a lot of bloody captions in Only The Good, isn’t there? “Six Hours Later”, then ” Five Minutes Shhhlater” then “Two Hours Later”. whatever happened to using model shots to show passage of time? captions feel very unlike Red Dwarf tbh

    #225495
    Dave
    Participant

    Season IX, I mean.

    What is this ‘season IX’ you speak of?

    #225497
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Watched the deleted scenes for VIII recently due in part to this thread. To be honest, I have never wanted to see more of VIII so didn’t bother in 2005 or whenever it came out, or any year since, but I have to say with a few reshoots of the cesiumfrankolithicmixyalibidiumruxydixydoxydexydroxide bits from ChloĆ« and Robert, the ending where Rimmer is a twat and leaves the crew to find their own way is miles better. Obviously it’s a bit heartless but compared to the one we got I think it’s funnier and more in universe than having the grim reaper appear.

    #225502
    bloodteller
    Participant

    yeah the original ending is a lot better, it also serves as a nice conclusion to Series VIII- the dwarfers are out of prison at last, they’ve once again got the ship to themselves and the revived crew are left behind. it ties up all the loose ends.

    in the ending with the grim reaper, the revived crew just exit the narrative as soon as the microbe shows up, the dwarfers just exit the narrative when rimmer comes back to the decaying ship (why did they disappear?) and nothing is concluded.

    i think even on the VIII Documentary, doug addresses that the original ending worked a lot better “but for some reason, we went past that and did the second ending which truly didn’t work”

    #225503

    I’m really glad Doug’s moved on from cliffhanger endings to season closers, as none of them worked. I know the ending of Out of Time is dramatic, but I’d love to see a version of VII that didn’t have to cope with it.

    #225565
    Rubber
    Participant

    General series VIII question: when they’re in prison, there are often these scene-setting prison ‘exterior shots’ – or at least that’s what I assume they are. An orangey capsule thing in the foreground with a turquoise-grey background which looks like dozens and dozens of floors/balconies with little dots of light scattered over it. I could never work out what the fuck any of it was supposed to be, from which angle we were viewing it and to what scale. Anyone?

    #225566
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    The Tank?

    It’s The Tank.

    #225567
    Rubber
    Participant

    It’s The Tank but what is the CONFIGURATION of the whole thing, is this some top-to-bottom ship-spanning facility? Do all the floors across the ship come to a halt around the prison? How is the prison on a single floor? It all just seems a bit bollocks tbh.

    #225568
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    The bit in the middle’s G-Tower. From the looks of it, it’s not a “floor”, but rather a restricted “area”, given the name “Floor 13” to sound spooky or something. Red Dwarf is MASSIVE so it’s not out of the question that they could hide shit.

    Also The Tank is called “The Brig” several times in VIII, and “The Brig” is referred to in The Inquisitor, so…

    It’s a bit silly honestly

    #225572
    Rubber
    Participant

    Thanks! Sometimes I wonder if series VIII wasn’t maybe a bit ill-conceived and shit in some minor ways.

    #225573
    bloodteller
    Participant

    you have to wonder since that tower’s right in the middle of the prison and connected to FUCK ALL, how anyone ever actually goes in and out of those cells

    #225575

    Or, y’know, why it has such a ridiculous convoluted design.

    #225579
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    you have to wonder since that tower’s right in the middle of the prison and connected to FUCK ALL, how anyone ever actually goes in and out of those cells

    The DVD would suggest retractable bridges.

    It is a shit design though.

    #225580
    bloodteller
    Participant

    having to retract multiple bridges every time you just want to go in or out of the cells seems really really ridiculous.

    i suppose it does stop the prisoners getting out though, doesn’t it? if they’re imprisoned in a tower connected to nothing then their attempts to escape would only result in death

    #225581
    Rubber
    Participant

    Having said all that, my favourite thing in all of series VIII was the LOVELY COSINESS of Lister getting anything he wanted from his cell by hammering on a pipe. Even if it was in one of the shite episodes.

    #225582

    i suppose it does stop the prisoners getting out though, doesn’t it?

    Like in Krytie TV, where Lister and Rimmer quite easily sneak into the main part of the ship to sabotage ‘ex-boyfriend Tim’/Ackerman’s quarters.

    I had considered that it could be part of the tank somehow, only it looks like the main ship, Lister believes it’s Tim’s quarters, so it would have to be in the main ship, and even on a badly run ship like Red Dwarf, I still find it hard to believe that Ackerman would be allowed to bring a date back to the secret prison (or even willingly live in the secret prison).

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