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  • #225585
    bloodteller
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    >Like in Krytie TV, where Lister and Rimmer quite easily sneak into the main part of the ship to sabotage ‘ex-boyfriend Tim’/Ackerman’s quarters.

    Kryten explains he’s “paid off the guards” presumably so Lister can do this. Though given that crushed beer cans are used as currency in Krytie TV, i’m not exactly sure what he’s paying them off with. Krytie TV is a bit weird like that

    >Having said all that, my favourite thing in all of series VIII was the LOVELY COSINESS of Lister getting anything he wanted from his cell by hammering on a pipe. Even if it was in one of the shite episodes.

    yes, this was quite a nice moment

    #225586
    flanl3
    Participant

    …but in the mirror universe, does Rimmer have an enormous cock, or a fanny?

    An enormous fanny.

    #225595
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Have you ever seen Harry Potter, teller? Imagine you’re late for class and you need to wait for the fucking stairs.

    #225596
    bloodteller
    Participant

    they had multiple forms of magical teleportation in Harry Potter though, didn’t they? who would even need the stairs

    #225598
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Can’t do any of the magical teleportation methods within school grounds because of school rules/plot reasons

    #225613

    Kryten explains he’s “paid off the guards” presumably so Lister can do this.

    And then Rimmer manages to get out as well. It totally breaks the reality of VIII for me.

    Though given that crushed beer cans are used as currency in Krytie TV, i’m not exactly sure what he’s paying them off with. Krytie TV is a bit weird like that

    Probably the same stuff he used to buy his gold Series 4000 mechanoid plating in a prison on a ship that was around long before he was invented.

    #225614
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    when rimmer looks under the sheets his nob is on upside down

    #225615
    bloodteller
    Participant

    just noticed they use the line in Only The Good… about how if their prism laser isn’t perfect, the mirror universe could be an “imperfect version of our own” so that presumably explains why everything isn’t opposite in the mirrorverse.

    makes you wonder how horrific it would’ve been if the mirror universe genuinely worked properly. for one thing, everyone’s skin would be inside out and rimmer wouldn’t be able to breathe since the atmosphere would’ve been whatever the fuck the opposite of oxygen is

    #225616
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I think I said this earlier in the thread, but the logical conclusion to “everything is opposite” means the universe wouldn’t exist, because ours does

    #225617
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Rimmer’s skin would be inside out, but “inside out” would mean the opposite, so it’d be the right way in

    He couldn’t breathe anti-oxygen, but in that universe humans breath anti-oxygen, so he’d be fine

    #225626
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    to the extent that the concepts they are about don’t quite hold together, the show’s episodes exist

    #225628
    Moonlight
    Participant

    Krytie TV is a great episode of VIII if you pretend it only consists of “The post has arrived.”

    #225629
    Hamish
    Participant

    Personally, I thought it started well but fell apart. All that stuff from back when the script was still entitled “No Strings Attached” — that was great. Then it all went cringe worthy and sexist and I fell into a dull torpor.

    But sir, that was the cartoon that had taken over the main programme!

    #225630

    Ok, enough replies to this thread. We don’t need the words ‘Only The Good Is Alright’ on the front page any more.

    #225634
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Then it all went cringe worthy and sexist and I fell into a dull torpor.

    It’s an interesting topic is sexism in Red Dwarf. I was watching The Bodysnatcher collection commentaries from Ed and Doug and there’s a bit where Ed says that Ruby was in the edit for Kryten and remarked “and they say you can’t write for women” upon the reveal.

    Seems to flop around from casual sexism, to simple feminism like the Parallel Universe male models stuff, then to creepy or actually offensive sexism (elbow titting anyone?). The shower stuff in Krytie TV is particularly awful if you ask me. There’s sort of a suggestion that they’re getting paid until Kochanski sees herself, and then you realise Kryten is at the centre of the Red Dwarf iCloud leak and should probably be charged for that too.

    #225635
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Should be pointed out that the voice of a character is not the voice of the author

    Writing a character who elbow-tits is not condoning elbow-titting, especially when the joke is that it’s an awful thing to do (also Rimmer complaining about wheelchair ramps is not Doug Naylor complaining about wheelchair ramps)

    Krytie TV though, even I’d have a hard time defending that

    #225637
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Yeah definitely. Just an interesting thing to look at over the years. Probably more for an essay or something though.

    #225648
    bloodteller
    Participant

    why does Krytie TV even exist? the subplot about The Appeal is pretty good, but pretty much everything involving Kryten in the episode is horrifically out-of-character and borderline offensive.

    okay i get they reprogrammed Kryten to become sexist and such (how?) but why even go to those lengths? if you’re going to do a Red Dwarf episode about Kryten exploiting naked women then surely all it requires is the male prisoners ordering Kryten to film them- Kryten obviously wouldn’t want to, but since he can’t disobey human orders he’d have to do it anyway and he’d be all guilty about it.

    #225649
    bloodteller
    Participant

    an episode where Kryten is forced against his will into exploiting naked women isn’t really much better though i guess

    #225652
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    But then Lister could just order him to stop.

    I think the appeal stuff was from the pen of Doug Naylor while the rest was Paul Alexander, if I remember the VIII doc right

    #225653

    Both are awful, but it’s particularly unpleasant watching Kryten enjoying it. It’s a low point of a very questionable series, regarding sex-and-gender issues (to be fair, it’s a questionable series on all issues). Most earlier examples of potentially dodgy stuff are generally characters being awful in character, or Rob and Doug being a bit clueless. But the pervy, rapey stuff in VIII is difficult to watch.

    It also totally undermines Lister who, for all his laddishness, is always seen to have a certain amount of morals, and be generally a romantic sort of person. From wanting to ask out a hologramatic Kochanski to lending his coat to Irene, he’s always been able to see past sex when it comes down to it. Given that he and Kochanski are meant to be good friends by the time they get to Krytie TV (despite his tricking her into kissing him more than once), it seems totally wrong that he’ll happily watch video footage of her in the shower.

    #225654

    And yeah, the whole appeal plot has potential. There’s definitely a character-based episode in that, one where they all end up in several tricky positions but have to hold their tongues, do things they don’t want to, in order to win the appeal.

    I mean it’d still be all VIIIed up with terrible jokes about knobs and stuff, but it’d still be much better.

    #225656
    bloodteller
    Participant

    i think somebody mentioned it above, but originally there was a VIII script entirely about the appeal, called “No Strings Attached” which honestly sounds a lot better than what we ended up with.

    also mentioned in the VIII scriptbook is a script called “Phwoaarrrr” about the crew all getting sexed to death, which sounds fucking awful

    #225658
    Phil
    Participant

    “also mentioned in the VIII scriptbook is a script called “Phwoaarrrr” about the crew all getting sexed to death, which sounds fucking awful”

    Is it, though? I thought that was a working title for Krytie TV. It’s been a while since I lost my scriptbook, but I don’t remember it being a different entity with a distinct plot.

    #225660
    bloodteller
    Participant

    oh my bad, it’s not in the scriptbook, it’s in the DVD booklet for VIII. and yeah, Phwoaarrr was an entirely different episode about “a ship where a new perfume was being tested that was so effective that it caused insatiable attraction between those who smelled it- the result being some nocturnal activity between Rimmer and Kochanski, and much subsequent Lister jealousy. The tone and content of the story-including piles of nude, dead bodies- was considered inappropriate.”

    why the fuck was Phwoaarrr considered inappropriate when they had the sexual magnetism virus in Back in the Red, and the penis in Pete, and the sex in Cassandra, and the sexual harassment in Krytie TV, and the incest in Only The Good?

    #225661
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    When you see it like that it makes you think that 1998’s chapter in Doug’s memoir will be called “Randy”.

    #225662
    Hamish
    Participant

    > Ok, enough replies to this thread. We don’t need the words ‘Only The Good Is Alright’ on the front page any more.

    *bump*

    #225669
    Lily
    Participant

    >sexual magnetism virus in Back in the Red,
    yup, rapey

    >and the penis in Pete,
    just a sound effect and bits of string

    >and the sex in Cassandra,
    or the total lack of, which was rather the point

    >and the sexual harassment in Krytie TV,
    yup, awful

    >and the incest in Only The Good
    Sister Talia, spiritual advisor … that was the joke

    #225670

    also mentioned in the VIII scriptbook is a script called “Phwoaarrrr” about the crew all getting sexed to death, which sounds fucking awful

    I wonder if Chris Chibnall got his idea for the second episode of Torchwood from this.

    Can’t wait for the new Doctor Who. :/

    #225680
    bloodteller
    Participant

    the point is, it seems kind of odd that Phwoaarrr was considered inappropriate, considering the content of the rest of VIII. it doesn’t really seem any more rapey than the sexual magnetism virus

    #225682
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    It’d be harder to do Phwoaarrr visually. That’s probably the only reason it didn’t get done. Would be straight up VIII’s flagpole otherwise.

    #225684
    bloodteller
    Participant

    well they could’ve just gone down the Samsara route of having it be skeletons who’d fucked themselves to death

    #225690
    Phil
    Participant

    Well I’ll be. For some reason I’d retained the knowledge that it was just a working title with no distinguishing substance attached to it. Now I’ll spent the rest of my life trying to scrape that distinguishing substance out of my brain.

    #225712
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    viii = lad

    #225713
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    also what rubber said about casualty style titles… do the last day and beyond a joke count? or is it strictly half a saying? if so i’m having ‘a bird in the hand: part etc’ for pete. i’m surprised the writers’ room haven’t caught onto this one already

    #225717
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    when life deals you lemons

    #225730

    The Last Day always bugged me, as the rest of III is one word titles, a la The Young Ones, Blackadder II, etc.
    When I was writing a sitcom – back in the day when I was an interesting, creative person – I planned every episode to have a one word title. It felt like a very sitcommy thing to do.

    #225732
    flanl3
    Participant

    The Last Day always bugged me, as the rest of III is one word titles, a la The Young Ones, Blackadder II, etc.
    When I was writing a sitcom – back in the day when I was an interesting, creative person – I planned every episode to have a one word title. It felt like a very sitcommy thing to do.

    Friends is a very bad sitcom.

    #225733
    flanl3
    Participant

    That post would have been perfectly true had I left out the blockquote.

    #225735
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Friends is actually pretty good, for America

    #225737
    Dave
    Participant

    The America that also gave us Frasier, Seinfeld, Arrested Development, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Louie, It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia, Veep, The Simpsons, Malcolm In The Middle, and many others?

    No, it’s not.

    #225739

    Friends has lots of good jokes, but very few good episodes.

    #225743
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Yeah, that America. Frasier, The Simpsons and Malcolm are good. And Scrubs. I caught some of the first series of Friends recently and I remember one joke in particular that was just incredibly well set up, but I can’t remember what it was.

    #225745
    si
    Participant

    Community. American, great.

    #225746
    flanl3
    Participant

    BoJack Horseman isn’t a sitcom per se, but it’s American and better than Friends.

    #225747
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Friends is amazing compared to some of the dross that comes over from America. You might be able to write a list of things better than Friends, but you can write a bigger one of things a lot worse, The Big Bang Theory, 2 Broke Girls, The Great Indoors, most Netflix attempts at sitcoms etc

    #225748
    Dave
    Participant

    “Pretty good, for America” sounded like a suggestion that America wasn’t able to make decent sitcoms.

    Even if there are lots of US sitcoms worse than Friends (and I’ll take your word for it), it still doesn’t mean that Friends sits among the best sitcoms that the US has to offer.

    #225750

    Yes, it’s hard not to read the original statement as one of those “America is shit at comedy” remarks, which is just daft. Especially given how good it’s been in the last 15 years compared to the UK.

    #225751
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Many of the supposedly good American sitcoms mentioned here just don’t hit the spot for me. A couple of them do though. And in the past 15 years we’ve had Peep Show, The IT Crowd and the small rouge one representing us so we’re not doing too badly. Just ignore all the shite like Mrs Brown’s Boys and you’re good.

    #225752
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    i always wanted a friends style ep of the show. it’s in an apartment in a block on the roof. between scenes there are soft rock interludes as it zooms out from the block.

    #225753
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    or goodall does a slap bass version of the theme accompanied by lister drumming his cheeks

    #225754
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    yes, goodall’s cheeks, butt cheeks

    #225755
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Holly should open an episode with a “what’s the deal with JMC standard issue food?”-style standup bit like on Seinfeld

    #225756
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    it could be the old meta ‘let’s make a sitcom’ trope. seinfield did that and also rosanne

    #225758
    Me Own Stunts
    Participant

    The *only* good thing to come out of ‘Only The Good’ is Mac McDonald’s joke in the series VIII documentary that he could play the violin with his left hand in the mirror universe, because that is the opposite of not being able to play the violin.

    #225759
    bloodteller
    Participant

    that was a joke? i thought he just miraculously learned how to play violin during the filming of VIII

    #225845
    Rubber
    Participant

    also what rubber said about casualty style titles… do the last day and beyond a joke count? or is it strictly half a saying? if so i’m having ‘a bird in the hand: part etc’ for pete. i’m surprised the writers’ room haven’t caught onto this one already

    ——-

    Can be a full saying but it usually isn’t. ‘Stoke Me A Clipper’ was the worst. It’s not a real saying in the first place, even before Rimmer FUCKS IT UP.

    #225846
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    I still think they should have gone with Natural Born Rimmers.

    #225849
    Rubber
    Participant

    Still too derivative of something completely unrelated. Series VII should have been:

    1. Curry Death Loop
    2. Hero Destiny Loop
    3. Ouroboros
    4. Duct Slog
    5. Gay Kiss
    6. Robot Tank Fury
    7. Epideme
    8. Nanarchy

    #225850
    Rubber
    Participant

    1. Resurrection
    2. Sexual Magnetism Virus
    3. Plasticine
    4. Cassandra
    5. Revenge Porn
    6. Boing!
    7. Dino Shit
    8. Don’t Bother

    #225851
    Rubber
    Participant

    I mean these do both sound like more interesting series now.

    #225852
    bloodteller
    Participant

    1. Rimmer Takes Drugs
    2. Rimmer Fucks Everyone
    3. Prison Rape
    4. Sexual Frustration
    5. Ogling The Naked
    6. Mass Erections
    7. Just One Erection
    8. Incest

    #225853
    Rubber
    Participant

    1. Kochanski Gets Ratarsed
    2. Kochanski Disguises Herself As A Black Person
    3. Kochanski Is Stopped From Making A Fool Of Herself Sexually By Men
    4. Kochanski Is Put Under Quite A Lot Of Pressure To Put Out
    5. Kochanski Has A Tit And A Second Tit On A Big Screen
    6. Kochanski Wants A Boob Job Like All Women
    7. Kochanski Contributes Nothing
    8. Kochanski Has A Menstrual Cycle And Her Bleeding Advances The Plot

    #225854
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    1) The cat flies a spaceship
    2) The cat ????
    3) The cat dresses as a nurse
    4) ???
    5) ???
    6) The cat gets raped or something
    7) Idk
    8) Danny John Jules says a big word

    #225855
    Dave
    Participant

    1. There’s a problem with Red Dwarf and it has a full crew.

    2. Lister and Rimmer get caught out when they realise that things they thought were really happening to them haven’t really happened.

    3. Rimmer and Lister try to outwit each other in a story that seems like it ‘s going to end with an important development but ultimately just spins its wheels and doesn’t really go anywhere.

    4. Waiting for God

    5. Confidence and Paranoia

    6. Me2

    Aaaahhhhhhhh

    #225856
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    4. Some old cunt dies when Lister whips out his enormous sausage
    5. A Scottish man plays a loud annoying American. Honestly not that good
    6. Rimmer shouts at himself and then dies again.

    Was it ever specifically mentioned that Lister lied about getting promoted or is it just ignored forever? I think it’s the latter

    #225857
    Dave
    Participant

    Apart from by Holly, you mean?

    #225858
    si
    Participant

    This thread has taken a strange turn.

    #225861
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Oh is the opening for the next episode not just a recap of Balance of Power lmao, forgot that

    #225864
    flanl3
    Participant

    Part 1. Rimmer nearly kills his three crewmates
    Part 2. Rimmer kills a hologram
    Part 3. It is explained to Rimmer by Kryten that he, in fact, did not just kill an entire universe full of people.

    #225865
    flanl3
    Participant

    1. Science Affair
    2. Fuck For Your Lives!
    3. Here, Have My Hole
    4. A Massive Tug Gone Wrong
    5. Kryten Screeches to Make Himself Feel Cool
    6. Octoinfanticide: Pipe Me!: Polymorph III

    #225866
    flanl3
    Participant

    1. The One Where Everybody Becomes a Sperm (TOWEBS)
    2. Rimmer and Lister Discuss Having Sex While Eating Dog Food
    3. Kryten Finally Gets Lister’s Pants Off
    4. Rimmer and Lister Touch Each Other’s Dicks Without Consent
    5. Supermodels Will Fuck You Because You Are Rich
    6. I Mean, What Do You Think an Insane Guy Who Likes Being In Control Of You and Could Kill You If You Didn’t Comply and Loves Showing Off His Massive Powerful Dick Is Going To Do Once He Has Taken Over the Entire Ship?

    #225895
    Moonlight
    Participant

    1. Ovationtopia
    2. Fathers and Fucking
    3. Lister Forces Himself on Rimmer Without Consent
    4. Naked Ass
    5. Catch Those Genitals!
    6. Masturbation2

    #225896
    Moonlight
    Participant

    1. Lister Pretends to Be a Doctor in an Attempt to Molest a Stranger
    2. Please Put the Mask Back On
    3. The Non-Shitty Prison Episode
    4. Blonde Women Are Stupid
    5. The One With a Shit Ending (TOWASE)
    6. Hitler Part 2

    #225899
    Dave
    Participant

    1. Rimmer has sex
    2. Lister finds a special use for his own hand
    3. Rimmer is stripped and oiled
    4. After Lister finds a way to boost his sexual magnetism, Rimmer gets into a dress
    5. Rimmer, in fishnet stockings, threatens to bum Lister to death
    6. Everyone wants to kill themselves

    #225900
    Rubber
    Participant

    1. Tight PVC
    2. Gold gimp suit
    3. Cowboy fantasy dress-up
    4. Bestiality in a veil
    5. Roman fantasy dress-up
    6. Pubic wig

    #225902
    bloodteller
    Participant

    1. Lister kills the President
    2. Rimmer kills a Knight
    3. The crew kill Lister’s wife
    4. Kryten kills the ship’s power
    5. Lister misses a man who killed himself
    6. A Simulant kills himself
    7. Lister allows himself to be killed
    8. Lister tries to eat sweets

    #225903
    bloodteller
    Participant

    1. Rimmer kills everyone
    2. Rimmer watches a man get killed
    3. Lister kills his chances of becoming a Chef
    4. An old man is killed
    5. Two men are killed
    6. Lister delights at watching Rimmer be killed

    #225910
    Rubber
    Participant

    1. Pretend cola
    2. Dead insect
    3. Raw coffee
    4. Fourth round of toast
    5. Spacenettle soup
    6. Chocolate finger picket fence

    #225911
    Rubber
    Participant

    1. Evil Kevin Eldon spaceship
    2. Sunken immorality spaceship
    3. Insane medical robot plus vending machine spaceship
    4. Paper elongated face man cock-and-balls-shaped spaceship
    5. Art galley spaceship
    6. Polymorph-frying suicide mission spaceship

    #225913
    flanl3
    Participant

    5. Two men are killed

    I count three.

    #225914
    flanl3
    Participant

    1. Only Everybody…
    2. Only Your Son, Bexley…
    3. Only Holograms, If You Count Switching Holograms As Death…
    4. Only The One Cat Ark…
    5. Only Hallucinations…
    6. Only Duplicate Rimmers…

    #225917
    Dave
    Participant

    1. Back in the Red, part one
    2. Back in the Red, part two
    3. Back in the Red, part three
    4. Back to the Future
    5. Back on the Sex Offenders’ Register
    6. Back in the Captain’s Office
    7. Backside of a dinosaur does a big shit
    8. Glad to see the Back of it

    #225919
    bloodteller
    Participant

    on the original point of Only The Good being alright though, it is sort of an okay episode isn’t it? the stuff with the vending machine at the beginning is really good, and it’s one of the few VIII episodes where Holly actually gets a funny joke. i think its sadly one that suffers a lot from keeping scenes in that should’ve been cut, and cutting scenes that really needed to be kept in. you could probably assemble a fairly decent episode out of it if you felt like it

    also the “6 HOURS LATER” caption is really unnecessary and this annoys me more than it should

    #225921
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    All captions in VIII are shit and almost entirely unnecessary.

    Font, accompanying sound effect, content.

    #225925
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    The 6 hours later caption annoys me because it’s a different style from every other caption in the series

    Apart from the mirror universe machine asspull, Only the Good is FINE. Not very good, though.

    #225931
    bloodteller
    Participant

    maybe the mirror universe machine was a Blue Peter project, and Kryten just nicked the one they prepared earlier

    #225939

    Rimmer and the vending machine is the only thing I like about Only the Good.

    #225941
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I like “I’m giving you a big wet snog with oodles of Tommy Tongue”

    #225945
    bloodteller
    Participant

    i quite liked the “cell inspection in 10 minutes” joke

    #225946
    Rubber
    Participant

    I quite liked the look on Lister’s face when he realised his sexy nursie was the Cat. And when Kryten pushed Kochanski down the metal staircase. Not much else.

    #225947
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    I liked the bit where Rimmer kneed Death in the balls.

    I hated “THE END? THE SMEG IT IS.” Not because it was bad (it was) but because it told me a show I loved ended on a sodding cliffhanger, and it did so 8 years beforehand, so there was almost no chance of another series.

    #225948
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    I hate the grim reaper because he’s apparently real now in the Red Dwarf universe. I’d blame hallucination but they show him waking up before death appears.

    Had similar feelings with Jesus in Lemons but thankfully that wasn’t Jesus Jesus.

    #225950
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    I’m fine with the Grim Reaper appearing in that scene, because it was in EPISODE 8 of Series VIII, so I had fully given up on Red Dwarf’s connection to reality by that point.

    Though for what it’s worth, Rimmer being conscious doesn’t stop him from hallucinating.

    #225953

    i quite liked the “cell inspection in 10 minutes” joke

    Oh yes, that’s probably one of my favourite jokes in VIII. I was going to say “how did I forget that?”, but frankly most of the bunkroom stuff from the second half of the series just meshes into one for me anyway.

    #225954
    flanl3
    Participant

    Isn’t Only the Good… the one with ‘HAVE A FANTASTIC PERIOD’?

    #225955
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Yeah, fucking hell I love the fantastic period gag. It’s just not on, is it. Brilliant.

    Although until 20 seconds ago when I googled it so I wouldn’t look like a fool for asking, I had no idea what Kryten meant by pouring blue stuff. When do women ever do that, I thought. Turns out it’s the liquid they used to show how effective sanitary pads were in adverts (?)

    I still don’t know why you’d be playing tennis in tight white jeans though. Another ad?

    #225956
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Yeah iconic sanitary towel adverts. The blue stuff has only just stopped being used, and it was a big deal when they switched to a red liquid because that’s the state of society.

    #225957
    bloodteller
    Participant

    i always thought it was because if you wear white jeans and then you have your period the blood gets all over them and it’s a fucking mess to get it off because white clothes stain easier?

    #225958
    Dax101
    Participant

    I think i been fairly disappointed with alot of recent dwarf that by the time i watch timewave i was just numb to the disappointment of what i was watching.

    I got through it knowing id forget it ever existed soon after.

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