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  • #265130

    I’ll tell you my actual unpopular Red Dwarf opinion. I really like all of Emohawk. I think it’s probably one of the top three from the series. The “second half” everyone complains about is really only the last 5mins. And logic aside, it’s fun having Ace and Duane on screen together, which couldn’t have happened any other time.

    Everything that comes before, all the cockpit stuff, the crashing, the GELFs, the marriage etc is all absolutely fantastic stuff. The last 5-10mins is no more of strange, unrelated tact on ending to an episode than DNA or something like that. And it’s fun. Full of laughs.

    #265155
    si
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    The second half of Skipper is let down for me by stuff like Everybody’s Alive Arnold and the VIII characterisation of Hollister. It’s very funny, but it also feels like Doug is intentionally going for “hey, remember this!” rather than coming up with a totally new idea.

    Although the series 1 bunkroom is so well recreated (so much better than series VIII’s attempt), I think it brought a tear to my eye the first time I saw it.

    #265157

    I actually think the series VIII version is close to the series I/II look but the Skipper version is closer in reality to what they imagined. Dark, metallic, submarine style bunk.

    The others are too polished and shiny.

    #265158
    desbug
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    Apparently reading the last few posts my unpopular opinion is that I didn’t like Mr Rat all that much, and preferred the first half of the episode to the second half.

    I share the opinion that Emohawk is great. This may be because I saw it before Polymorph, or Dimension Jump, or Back to Reality, but anyway I like it.

    #265163
    GlenTokyo
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    VIII’s is more accurate by a fair bit dimensionally, but they jazzed it up, it’s bluer and has more texture. XII achieves the look of wood painted grey and if you filmed it with a 1 inch tape TV camera, would probably look identical in parts, but they scale is all over the show. It’s like it’s been stretched to widescreen so everything is spaced out and looks a bit lost. Combine the two and you’d probably have it bang on.

    That said, VIII probably had a considerably bigger budget adjusted for inflation, and had Mel Bibby and potentially access to the actual Montague plans seeing as they were 10 years old not 30. Who keeps a filing cabinet organised for 30 years? No-one that’s who. Especially no-one at the BBC or GNP.

    #265164
    Jenuall
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    Yeah I love all of Emohawk – Duane and Ace showing up is undoubtedly straight up fan service but it’s still well handled and, importantly, very funny. Their further laboured returns in VII and VIII are what really ground things down.

    I remember finding the XII recreation of the bunk room much more satisfying than the VIII one, but it has been a long time since I watched VIII so I may be doing it a disservice.

    #265176

    I remember being disappointed by the not-quite-accurate bunk room and uniforms in VIII back when I was still a teenager on first broadcast. It felt kind of ‘off’, which I suppose matched my feelings of the series as a whole.

    #265183
    GlenTokyo
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    I remember being disappointed by the not-quite-accurate bunk room and uniforms in VIII back when I was still a teenager on first broadcast. It felt kind of ‘off’, which I suppose matched my feelings of the series as a whole.

    The uniforms are worse than the bunk room. They’re just too 1940s US Army. The bunk room is jazzed up a bit to match the rest of the sets, but you know what it is, the uniforms in VIII are just completely different. Small mercy though I suppose that they didn’t dig out the blue overalls from VII.

    #265184
    Warbodog
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    For those of us seeing series 1 & 2 mostly for the first time when the remasters were broadcast, the gap of three days before Back in the Red wasn’t really enough time to build nostalgia for the look they were imitating.

    #265186
    Dave
    Participant

    That false nostalgia thing is interesting and something that has occurred to me before with Red Dwarf and the grey bunkroom.

    Twice now it’s been used as a nostalgic callback, and it definitely does generate that reaction – but my guess would be that the majority of longstanding fans probably didn’t start with series 1 or 2 and instead came in during the III-V era.

    So does the nostalgia reaction of harking back to the show’s early days via the grey bunkroom feel a bit performative? For a lot of viewers, wouldn’t it work even better to use the officers’ quarters from III-V?

    #265193
    Warbodog
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    The ‘this feels like series III/IV/V/VI’ response to series XI (in particular) seemed like a nod in that direction, writing-wise. One that might have worked, considering how well Give & Take went down around here.

    #265195
    Dave
    Participant

    It is really interesting though how the specific time that you joined during the original BBC run dictates how you think of the show to quite a large extent.

    Just a few years of difference either way can really shift your perception as to whether you started with the 1-2 version of the show, the III-V years or VI, VII or VIII. And also can dictate how your first saw the earliest years of the show (original broadcast, repeat run or Remastered – or, I guess, DVDs).

    I always think it’s crazy when people talk about not being able to find specific VHSs and so not having access to those shows in the late 90s, as I taped it all off the TV from the full repeat run and was also able to buy the VHSs as they came. But just a few years later you’d have a very different experience of (and access to) the show.

    #265198
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    When I started watching Red Dwarf, Red Dwarf wasn’t on. It was in the mid 90s so I’d been watching 1-VI on VHS, official and recorded, for a few years before VII came on, so I had the most exposure to those than the ones I watched on broadcast (VII onwards) so I think fondly of those and both the grey and the cream bunkrooms are iconic to me, grey just edges it though I think, because by III onwards, it seems like they weren’t in it as much.

    #265199
    RunawayTrain
    Participant

    … grey just edges it though I think, because by III onwards, it seems like they weren’t in it as much.

    This is exactly it for me, I think. I watched RD via a friend’s DVDs to start with (just the once through) then later Netflix and UKTV Play. In my mind, ‘the bunkroom’ is the grey, first 2 series, because they spent so much time there rather than in any that came after. I honestly struggle to visualise the other quarters they used because we didn’t see them anywhere near as much.

    #265200

    Yeah, we barely see the bunkroom at all in V.

    #265201
    Warbodog
    Participant

    We see the quarters enough in series III that I’ve always felt at home there. I never warmed to the original bunks as much, because of the ‘My Doctor’ first experiences thing that Dave talked about, but obsessing over the DVDs when those came out and inhabiting each of the six series for half a year each gave me perspective and made me love it all.

    #265215

    Not sure just how unpopular this is, but one of my all-time top ten Red Dwarf jokes actually comes from Red Dwarf USA. Kryten’s ‘fire exit’ gag. That must be a Rob & Doug line, surely?

    #265235
    tombow
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    Not sure just how unpopular this is, but one of my all-time top ten Red Dwarf jokes actually comes from Red Dwarf USA. Kryten’s ‘fire exit’ gag. That must be a Rob & Doug line, surely?

    pretty sure it was in the novel

    #265236

    Not sure just how unpopular this is, but one of my all-time top ten Red Dwarf jokes actually comes from Red Dwarf USA. Kryten’s ‘fire exit’ gag. That must be a Rob & Doug line, surely?

    pretty sure it was in the novel

    It sort of is. Kryten reads part of a letter of a book a day, so some weeks are really dull when it’s quite obvious what the letter and resulting word will be.

    But it is ultimate the same sort of gag, with the same intention and energy etc.

    #265247
    si
    Participant

    There are some good gags in RD:USA, Fire Exit & Baseball Cards being the best two. Sadly, most of the casting (certainly in the first version) is off, and it just doesn’t work overall. But ho-hum.

    #265248

    Baseball Cards

    I really dislike the baseball card gag as it changes the joke entirely. Rather than an ironic gag about a rather poor and low level man more concerned with an overdue library book, than therefore the fine he will have accrued in 3million years … it becomes a joke about a man more concerned with suddenly being rich after 3million years. And other than Timeslides (which is more about his situation than anything else), Lister isn’t a man that really comes across as being concerned about money.

    It flips the joke and what it tells us about the character for the worse in my view.

    #265249
    Dave
    Participant

    I’d never thought about it in that much detail. I see where you’re coming from though. For me, they’re both just amusingly mundane and irrelevant observations that show that the full weight of what’s happened hasn’t sunk in yet. That he’s still mentally stuck in the past.

    #265250
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I’d say the “baseball cards” line is shit more for storytelling reasons, than character-stuff.

    Lister owning sports cards or visiting the library? I know which is more likely, from a character perspective. In both cases, you could probably take away from it that Lister is “a bit dim”, and I guess they’re both examples of gallows humour.

    However, the point of that scene in The End is to hammer home the futility of Lister’s predicament. When he hears he’s been in Stasis for 3 million years, he instantly thinks of something “bad” (he owes the library a hefty fee), but we know he’s yet to truly grasp the gravity of the situation. It’s much, more worse. Result: Lister’s throughline in that scene is “bad – worse”. The next bit is him finding out that Kochanski is dead while Holly is flippant. This is remarked upon. He doesn’t like Holly being flippant because this is not the time for dismissive jokes about people dying.

    In the US version, Lister instantly thinks of something “positive” from his predicament. The flippancy completely disrupts the flow of that scene, and we suddenly don’t care. The next thing Lister says is a moan about how lonely he will be, which is a bit of a dramatic u-turn from exclaiming that he must be rich.

    #265278
    si
    Participant

    Alright.
    That’s me told.

    #267038
    Bosco13
    Participant

    I liked the American pilots.
    Though I thought they were good for the same reasons the original show was good so you might as well not make it and get AMericans to watch the English show.

    There’s some episodes like Timewave and Back To Earth where I just don’t get what’s wrong with them.

    I like seasons 7 and 8 because they were where I started watching as a kid. Though I admit they’re the weakest episodes.

    #267226
    Welding Mallet
    Participant

    ‘Back To Reality’ is too short to be considered the all-time-great it is…er…considered to be. If anything needed to be a two-parter, it’s that one.

    #267229
    Welding Mallet
    Participant

    Have another one for free (now that I’ve actually read the whole thread!)..

    The series should have been promoted to BBC One from VI onwards.

    #267238
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Have another one for free (now that I’ve actually read the whole thread!)..

    The series should have been promoted to BBC One from VI onwards.

    Comedy on BBC 2 though, that’s how it should be.

    #267243
    Jenuall
    Participant

    Yeah it sits much better on 2. If anything the failings of VII could almost be read as part of an attempt to court a more BBC 1 vibe.

    I don’t think that’s anything like what Doug was actually thinking, at least not intentionally

    #267310
    Welding Mallet
    Participant

    I get it…I do think the first few minutes of ‘Psirens’ are definitely there to ensnare the “Why does he have an H on his head?” casual-types.

    But then, I am of the school of thought that ‘The Royle Family’ should have stayed on BBC2 so what do I know?

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