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  • in reply to: Directors cut on Dave #112835
    Turk Thrust
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    I think that scene with the Cat talking about being attacked is the only one with any serious edits. Many cuts were very wisely made and it probably could have done with being trimmed still further.

    in reply to: Vic and Bob’s Afternoon Delights #112655
    Turk Thrust
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    Underwhelming would be my first reaction…

    Maybe that’s due to having been spoilt by the Alan Partridge shows though.

    in reply to: Norman won’t be coming back… #112575
    Turk Thrust
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    I watched Meltdown again last night and noticed that even occasionally in Series IV Holly wasn’t needed in an episode.

    I guess that it’s not too surprising that bringing Norman back to the show would go on to cause problems.

    Due to his moaning nature, Norman obviously fought hard for the character in those first two series and turned it from a voiceover into a very important part of the show (certainly as important as the Cat I would argue). Therefore when he came back, I’m sure that Norman would have hoped for something vaguely substantial to do and I think there was an article on this site that stated that the way that he’d been treated at the time was a disgrace. That’s putting it too strongly though I think…

    From Doug’s perspective it makes complete sense that as Holly had done so little the last time the character was in the show, that Norman should just pop up for the occasional one-liner.

    Again when the movie was a possibility and then Back to Earth was announced, Norman must have felt that he was certain to be a part of things. So to find out that he wasn’t in the original script and that (at best) he might get a few lines at the end of one episode (maybe at the start of the next) it was bound to anger him.

    Once more understandable though that Doug sees Lister, Rimmer, Kryten and the Cat as the main characters and the others as optional extras.

    in reply to: Norman won’t be coming back… #112566
    Turk Thrust
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    I don’t actually have a problem with the Q&A.

    Both Chris and Norman look uncomfortable at times but they must have expected that when they agreed to do it. Norman has always been critical of Series VIII and Chris makes a strong defence of Doug’s writing. I’m sure there are millions of actors who have criticised their former employers and as long as it doesn’t descend into personal insults, that’s no big deal really…

    in reply to: Norman won’t be coming back… #112544
    Turk Thrust
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    And many of those lines could have been spoken by Kryten…

    I guess the budget will be low again so something will have to give. If Holly were to be a major part of the plot then it would be sensible to bring the character back but otherwise, the money could probably be better spent elsewhere…

    in reply to: Norman won’t be coming back… #112529
    Turk Thrust
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    Due to the fact that Rob and Doug couldn’t find anything for her to do…

    in reply to: Norman won’t be coming back… #112526
    Turk Thrust
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    Personally I will always be grateful to him for fighting to get the character seen on screen in the very beginning. For that reason, he did play a big part in the success of the show for the first 5 series (albeit Hattie may as well not have been in Series V).

    in reply to: i-camcorder #112452
    Turk Thrust
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    The last I heard they were accepting new members anyway so, if that’s still the case, shouldn’t be a problem signing up.

    On the subject of The 10%ers, I had always foolishly assumed that Doug wrote or co-wrote each episode as he did in Dwarf Series VII and VIII. I didn’t realise that there are many episodes that he doesn’t have a writing credit on at all and a couple of others where he was one of three writers. I’m glad that he didn’t go down the same route with Dwarf.

    in reply to: i-camcorder #112443
    Turk Thrust
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    I’ve never visited the site myself you understand, but thebox.bz

    in reply to: i-camcorder #112438
    Turk Thrust
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    The pilot and both series of 10%ers are also there to watch and have been for a while I think.

    in reply to: i-camcorder #112429
    Turk Thrust
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    I’m not sure whether I’m allowed to mention specifics here.

    Ok, have edited my post just in case. Unfortunately it now helps nobody.

    in reply to: Back in the Red – one hour version? #112377
    Turk Thrust
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    > And Rimmer hitting his dick with a hammer.

    I do quite like the image of Doug suggesting the concept of Rimmer intentionally and repeatedly whacking his lovespuds with a hammer and the script editor, Ed, Chris etc. all agreeing unquestioningly that it was a great idea. There is a wonderful degree of lunacy in that.

    in reply to: Back in the Red – one hour version? #112366
    Turk Thrust
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    Surely the version on the DVD is close to 90 minutes long.

    So if Doug had had his wish, the one hour broadcast version would have been very different and contained plenty of cuts?

    in reply to: Rob Grant Carpool #108786
    Turk Thrust
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    Nice to see them getting on so well and enjoyable to watch even if nothing new was covered.

    in reply to: Comedians of a Certain Age #102440
    Turk Thrust
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    Graham Fellows should appear in far more things imo…if he wants to obviously.

    in reply to: Comedians of a Certain Age #102379
    Turk Thrust
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    Janine Duvitski

    in reply to: Comedians of a Certain Age #102371
    Turk Thrust
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    Robert Daws
    Tim Spall
    James Fleet
    Emma Chambers
    Alastair McGowan
    Philip Jackson
    Harry Hill
    Felicity Montagu
    Rebecca Front
    Owen Brenman

    in reply to: Requests for Future Dwarfcasts #98763
    Turk Thrust
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    Personally I think that the Dwarfcasts for the Series VII and VIII eps were the most interesting because there was a more of a debate to be had about their merits and debits.

    in reply to: Irrelevant mention in Gervais’ blog #98530
    Turk Thrust
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    It`s like I always say, if you don`t like what somebody else is saying then start pedantically picking on their use of the English language.

    in reply to: Irrelevant mention in Gervais’ blog #98512
    Turk Thrust
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    Of course it`s true that it is all subjective. I think it`s fair to say though that the general opinion is that both Dwarf and The Office have been excellent shows on the whole. People on this board are obviously more likely to rate Dwarf higher but that`s down to preference rather than quality.

    The general opinion of BTE however, is that it isn`t in the same league as any of The Office or the first 6 series of Dwarf though. I don`t think that`s unfair.

    I`m not sure how anybody can guess as to whether The Office will stand the test of time. How can anybody decide now on what will be timeless?

    The script for The Invention of Lying was very warmly received so hopefully the film will live up to it.

    in reply to: BtE: SFX review #98495
    Turk Thrust
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    > Why would Doug write a script that wouldn?t have appeal across the board?
    Clever, obscure gags are all well and good, but is that really the way to reach a large audience?

    I don`t think that`s what the reviewer will have been saying at all really. Dwarf had been successful for 52 eps without having to resort to lazy gags stating, `people who don`t like sci-fi have small penises`. It also had never had to make such constant references about the show itself.

    Now if people liked them then they obviously wouldn`t see a problem but the general feeling from a lot of the reviews that I`ve read is that while the cast and the look of the specials were great, Doug`s writing wasn`t. For the people who feel like that, it obviously is an issue.

    in reply to: BtE: SFX review #98492
    Turk Thrust
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    > It?s strange how continuity references often annoy the fans that spot them. When I?d imagine most of the audience is oblivious as to whether they are specific references or just backstory.

    I think that the example that you gave would have stuck out less. Maybe because it was more recent and maybe because it would have been just 1 throwaway line.

    Much of the stuff in BTE Part 2 was lazy imo and certainly overdone. Not just the Dwarf references but the gag about people who dislike sci-fi was cringeworthy and horribly unsubtle.

    in reply to: BtE: SFX review #98490
    Turk Thrust
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    > So he?d prefer gags that didn?t please people, then ??

    I think you are intentionally misunderstanding what the phrase `crowd-pleasing` means there.

    in reply to: Irrelevant mention in Gervais’ blog #98454
    Turk Thrust
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    > I say he?ll be remembered for The Office but that?s not specific enough. I?m ?>guessing more people have watched interviews with him, more people think of >Jonathan Ross interviewing him, and have listened to the podcasts than have ever >watched The Office. People will think of the dancing scene and of people doing >pisstakes of the dancing scene. Nothing more.

    You are a fool.

    Turk Thrust
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    I think rewatching Series VII and VIII would only make me like BTE less. The best bits in the specials were, imo, the dramatic bits about Kochanski but they only work at all if I completely wipe from my mind Doug`s abysmal writing for that character in those series. I don`t go along with Doug`s belif that it was Chloe`s fault the character was disliked.

    I would still be interested to see a 60 minute cut of BITR too but Andrew has said that he rates the extended cut as his second favourite Dwarf ep ever so I guess it`s understandable that it was included on the DVD in that form.

    in reply to: I didn’t get where I am today … #98098
    Turk Thrust
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    > I seriously think that MBB should return, with Gary & Tony being alot older, but unbelievably imature. THAT would be better than this.

    Caroline Quentin doesn`t want it to return and she is probably sensible. I`m not sure why it would be better as well. It would still be written by Nye but he wouldn`t have someone of David Nobbs` calibre to work with.

    in reply to: I didn’t get where I am today … #98071
    Turk Thrust
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    I quite enjoyed it and it seems that a lot of the reactions to it have been pretty positive which is unusual for a revamp.

    Certainly broader than the original but taken on its own merits it had some nice jokes and some promise for future episodes. Laughter should have been toned down though.

    in reply to: 90s BBC2 sitcom Game On #98070
    Turk Thrust
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    I love the first series but can`t watch the other 2. Stuke`s character was just too different for me and it wasn`t the same show anymore.

    in reply to: Chris Talking About Bringing Back Brittas #97881
    Turk Thrust
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    > Would you ask the same question about Maid Marian?

    The difference for me would be that Chris`s character is the best thing in Brittas whereas Danny`s character is the worst thing in Marian.

    in reply to: Which Holly? #97606
    Turk Thrust
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    > Though I?d like Hattie back. She didn?t do too badly in ?Ace Rimmer: A Life in Lame?

    Sometimes on this site people sound so sincere…when they must surely be being sarcastic.

    in reply to: Best of each series? #97569
    Turk Thrust
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    > Waiting for God is spoiled by the cat priest scene imo, which is ill-timed, and should probably have been completely re-written. But that?s more than compensated for by the Quagaar subplot which is just wonderful.

    Completely agree. When I watched that ep again recently I enjoyed it and the priest scene thankfully doesn`t go on for that long.

    in reply to: More Dwarf? Digital Spy say YES! But with new writers… #97560
    Turk Thrust
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    > What, the guy who took to growing mould and naming it to get under Rimsy?s skin?

    I can see what you`re saying but I would say that leaving mould to grow is much more believable. Firstly, because lots of people have actually done that when they`ve been behaving slobbily. Secondly, because it takes little or no effort. And finally, because eating a food that you hate and are allergic to in order to sneeze is a terrible idea imo. Perhaps if I found it funny I wouldn`t be complaining as much though.

    On a mildly related note, I found it disappointing (being selfish probably) that neither of the bunk scenes had any real depth to them character wise. Some of my favourite stuff from the early series contains Rimmer and Lister discussing deep and meaningful things which we didn`t get in the specials. Considering the dramatic scenes that there are, I think it was a wasted opportunity that Doug took the Series VIII route there.

    in reply to: More Dwarf? Digital Spy say YES! But with new writers… #97542
    Turk Thrust
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    > I took that as him deliberately winding up Kryten.

    That probably was the intention but personally I don`t think it was well executed.

    > How is any level of panicking by Rimmer ?OTT?? Perfectly in-character, I thought. And his complaining about having to watch them die specifically called to mind a similar bit in Future Echoes.

    Perhaps it wasn`t helped by Chris`s performance but I found myself cringing during that scene. I also don`t think it makes his behaviour believable when a few seconds later he has forgotten all about it. I think the fan edit of that scene works soooo much better.

    > Deliberately acting out of character to try and fit in?

    Of course but I think, as others have said, that we were seeing Chris Barrie in that scene. Not Rimmer.

    > I don?t much like whining Kryten, but you can?t exactly say it?s inconsistent with previous series.

    Not inconsistent with Series VII certainly but Robert hadn`t really whined too much before that I don`t think.

    > Rimmer can be a ruthless, get-to-the-top-at-all-costs bastard when he wants to be. He?s a big fan of war and warmongers, remember. I doubt he?d commit cold-blooded murder, but after being specifically given a reason why killing a hologram wouldn?t be considered murder, he acted out of cowardly self-preservation. See also his attitude to the wax-droids in Meltdown.

    I don`t disagree.

    > Not hugely funny, but I?m not sure what was out-of-character about it. A little regressive, I suppose, given that Lister got bored of winding up Rimmer years ago, so I?ll give you that one.

    I just don`t think that the original Lister, from Series I-VI would have gone out of his way to pull a prank like that. Funny or not.

    > Besides which, of course, there was an in-episode explanation and acknowledgement of certain moments being out of character, because it was the Creator pushing them to a certain point.

    A problem that a lot of people seem to have though is that if you have them doing out of character things in an unreal world then perhaps it all just suggests that it wasn`t a good idea in the first place? Obviously the roughly 50% who enjoyed the specials will think differently which is fair enough.

    in reply to: More Dwarf? Digital Spy say YES! But with new writers… #97539
    Turk Thrust
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    Well some of the criticisms that I`ve seen levelled quite a bit are…

    Lister smiling at the thought of him and the cat dieing.
    Wacky Kryten.
    Whining Kryten.
    The characters not taking time to get used to being fictional.
    Rimmer murdering Katerina.
    Rimmer`s OTT panicking when seeing the squid on the monitor.
    The scene in the Kabin.
    The opening scene.

    I`m not sure whether I agree with all of the criticisms but I certainly think it was a long way from perfect.

    in reply to: More Dwarf? Digital Spy say YES! But with new writers… #97526
    Turk Thrust
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    Can Doug capture the characters now? Opinion seems to be very split on that one.

    in reply to: More Dwarf? Digital Spy say YES! But with new writers… #97522
    Turk Thrust
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    > But the problem with VII wasn?t, I think, bringing in other writers – it was bringing in writers who simply weren?t qualified enough.

    Agree with this. The people who were brought in for Series VII really had mediocre CVs.

    Obviously Rob would be the ideal person to work with Doug as history has proved that they have the judgment to filter out each other`s shit ideas.

    If that wasn`t possible then I don`t think that just hiring a gag writer or 2 would solve things. I think that you would also need someone who knows about plot and characterization as Doug struggles with these at times.

    Perhaps a new director and editor would be useful too.

    in reply to: Best of each series? #97515
    Turk Thrust
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    Favourites:

    1, Future Echoes.
    2, Queeg.
    3, Marooned.
    4, Dimension Jump.
    5, Back to Reality.
    6, Gunmen of the Apocalypse.
    7, Blue (if pushed).
    8, Cassandra.

    Least Favourites.

    1, Waiting for God.
    2, Better than Life.
    3, Bodyswap.
    4, White Hole.
    5, Demons and Angels.
    6, Emohawk.
    7, Duct Soup.
    8, Pete Part 2.

    in reply to: Nice touches you noticed in Back To Earth #97410
    Turk Thrust
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    I don`t know whether people mentioned these earlier but the phone book joke is the same as the joke from Rimmerworld obviously.

    The `Big` joke is from Pete as is Katerina standing behind Rimmer.

    Katerina constructing the machine so quickly is from Only the Good.

    The prediction that someone will die and it not coming true is from Cassandra.

    Kryten`s holiday is from Justice as is Cat being hit on the head.

    Cat being unaware of what`s behind him is from DNA.

    And the decision to make so many references is from Die Another Day…considered by many to be the worst Bond film so maybe not the best idea Doug has ever had.

    in reply to: Which Holly? #97399
    Turk Thrust
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    Purely in terms of performance I would say Norman as I think he is definitely the funnier of the 2. As that won`t happen though, I would let the character die.

    in reply to: BtE Episode 1 – The OTHER Directors Cut #97396
    Turk Thrust
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    > I?m a little fascinated by gladriel69?s comment:

    >?I assume you cut the Monkey Boy line because you thought >it was racist? I?m sure the actors would have complained >if they thought it was. Also, its clearly in relation to >humans evolving from apes, not skin colour. I will add >though, as an aspiring writer I would have avoided it for >fear of offending the odd one or two people who would get >it wrong – you have been a valuable lesson, cheers.?

    >What?

    Yes, that is an interesting comment to say the least.

    The stuff in the early series probably wouldn`t be done now maybe but this guy`s interpretation is bizarre.

    in reply to: Den of Geek review #97263
    Turk Thrust
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    Interesting review.

    It must be a bit tough for Doug and Andrew (if they look at these things) to constantly read that new writers should be brought in. Even from the pretty positive reviewers.

    If Doug does record a commentary or interviews for the DVD over the coming days then it will be interesting to hear whether he responds to criticisms made and talks about any lessons learnt.

    in reply to: BtE Episode 1 – The OTHER Directors Cut #97078
    Turk Thrust
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    Agree about that line. Also in an ideal world I would like Lister`s `that`s not right` lines cut because they just seem so wrong coming out of his mouth. That would probably mean that it wouldn`t make sense though.

    in reply to: Back to Earth > ? #97059
    Turk Thrust
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    > I still don?t understand why the episodes were not filmed in front of a live audience

    In terms of time, money and not wanting stories to leak it was understandable.

    In terms of the actual episodes, I agree that they should have been filmed in front of an audience. The Back to Reality stuff the audience could have coped with (they did the first time after all) and the dramatic scenes weren`t too dramatic either. After all, other audience sitcoms have effectively dealt with the funerals of cast members in the past and not suffered.

    in reply to: Back to Earth > ? #97055
    Turk Thrust
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    > I have provisionally placed BtE 28th (after only one viewing) in my personal all-time list. That puts it above the following Series 1-6 eps: The End, Demons and Angels, Bodyswap, Rimmerworld, Parallel Universe, Confidence and Paranoia, Better Than Life, Waiting for God and Emohawk: Polymorph 2.

    As these eps were broadcast individually though, shouldn`t they be judged individually really? In the same way that G&T recently compiled a list of their favourite 52 eps a while ago considering BitR and Pete to be multi-parters.

    in reply to: Back to Earth > ? #97039
    Turk Thrust
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    On a similar level to Series VII and below everything else.

    in reply to: BtE Episode 1 – The OTHER Directors Cut #97028
    Turk Thrust
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    Yeah, excellent opening. I think you made it pretty much as good as it could be. Just a shame that some of the bits which I find cringeworthy need to be in there to make it make any sort of sense.

    in reply to: Wait a minute….this isn’t my fantasy! #96952
    Turk Thrust
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    I think this ep serves to remind everyone just how beautifully plotted Back to Reality is. In that episode all of the characters believably are taken from shock to despair gradually as the events unfold. In Back to Earth, maybe because the whole production had to be done so quickly, the same can`t be said.

    I agree that for Kryten and Rimmer the reasons already given are probably correct but I`m not sure how believing they are going to die brings them joy. Then all 3 other characters are exposed to physical pain at Lister`s hands in the typewriter scene…

    in reply to: will the bbc take red dwarf back? #96622
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    > Nick, those viewing figures are massive for a cable channel. It?s normal for shows to lose viewers like that. A steady audience of 1m for a cable show is, well, about the biggest audience ever under such circumstances, as the recent Dave press release says.

    Oh, I know that and I`ve said elsewhere that I think Dave will be very happy.

    What I was saying though that whoever decided Dwarf shouldn`t come back to the BBC could use this as justification. They could say that it wouldn`t have sustained an audience and wasn`t considered to be an absolutely successful return or whatever. I`m not saying it would be absolutely accurate but they could use the figures in that way.

    in reply to: will the bbc take red dwarf back? #96616
    Turk Thrust
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    Well it depends on who exactly it was who didn`t want Dwarf and why. They may feel vindicated now as the shows received mixed reviews and lost so many viewers after the first ep. For the BBC to go back to Dwarf now would be strange to me.

    in reply to: Best Lister moment ever? #96601
    Turk Thrust
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    > Anyway, next time you?re having a conversation about a topic that interests you, remind me to barge through your front door and start shouting in your face about something unrelated.

    I wasn`t the one who started talking about rip offs if you look. And when the debate had started about whether one chunk of a show was a rip off then it was hardly unrelated to mention something else.

    Anyway to get back on topic, that dialogue has only been around for 2 days and hasn`t stood the test of time yet. Also 50% of people already don`t really seem to rate the new eps. I think it`s far too early to be able to rank it as better than any of the character`s other moments from the past 20 years.

    in reply to: Best Lister moment ever? #96589
    Turk Thrust
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    > If only the episode had given some kind of explanation for why they were there. Sigh.

    Why were they needed to bring joy to the characters? How often have they declared themselves mad keen Blade Runner fans who are desperate to remake scenes word for word?

    in reply to: Best Lister moment ever? #96580
    Turk Thrust
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    > Oh, thanks for derailing the thread by talking about something entirely different that?s already been discussed ad nauseam elsewhere, folks.

    Making one reference to another show could be classed as an homage. Remaking entire scenes is rather more than that.

    Threads often change topic don`t they. And as the scene where Lister and Kochanski are in the car is a rip off from Blade Runner it is perfectly valid to mention it.

    in reply to: Best Lister moment ever? #96566
    Turk Thrust
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    Saved by the Bell: The New Class?

    in reply to: Best Lister moment ever? #96563
    Turk Thrust
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    > It?s not a rip-off if you explicitly acknowledge that it?s a sequel

    Even if that`s the case, the fact that the new angle was a rip off from Blade Runner was a rip off. You could argue that a lot of other things in the eps were rip offs from Dwarf too and one (terribly done gag) was a rip off from The Simpsons.

    in reply to: Best Lister moment ever? #96555
    Turk Thrust
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    I agree that the serious scenes were the best of the eps though and I wish there had been more (with some non-interfering humour thrown in). Can`t help feeling that that scene deserved more than to be followed by a very rushed and not very convincing wrap up and Danny singing the old song.

    in reply to: Best Lister moment ever? #96538
    Turk Thrust
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    I disagree…unsurprisingly. :-)

    For one reason, the original scene on the bus made me cringe. Another reason would be that I think there are dozens of better scenes that Rob and Doug wrote together for the novels and Series I – VI.

    in reply to: BTE Pt 2 ratings imminent #96534
    Turk Thrust
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    1.02 million is what the site actually says for Sunday which is a slight improvement on Saturday. I`m sure Dave would have been happy with the viewing figures if they`d been offered them at the start even if there must have been disappointment about the downturn from Friday. I would guess that whoever at the BBC didn`t want Dwarf won`t feel their decision has been proven wrong though.

    Turk Thrust
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    Of course its is. :-)

    Zoe Wanamaker has said in an interview that it`s shit and that she and Robert Lindsey had to walk out of the filming of one episode because the writing was so awful.

    in reply to: BTE Pt 2 ratings imminent #96059
    Turk Thrust
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    > There are currently 19,000 people seeding it on a certain torrent site.

    How many of them will be overseas though?

    in reply to: BTE Pt 2 ratings imminent #96053
    Turk Thrust
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    I guess it had decent competition and a drop was always likely…but to lose comfortably over half of your audience in one day. The perceived (by some people)lack of quality of the first ep must have been a big factor too.

    in reply to: Brittas Reunion – On a cruise ship… #96008
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    > And BTE seems to be going the same way. ?It was just a TV show? is far too close to ?It was just a dream? for my liking. Part 3 tonight may prove me wrong, but you know what I?m getting at I?m sure.

    I`m guess equilibrium will probably be restored by the end.

    in reply to: Brittas Reunion – On a cruise ship… #96005
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    > So let?s rephrase to ?a special written by the original writers?. Cos for me, it gets a lot more appealing at that point.

    Completely agree. Put them back in their original habitat and it could work. I still doubt the BBC would be interested though and I don`t know why Fegen and Norris stopped working together.

    in reply to: Brittas Reunion – On a cruise ship… #95984
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    It would probably be very poor indeed. The last 2 series of Brittas were weak and the special before that (which took them away from the leisure centre environment) also didn`t work imo. I don`t think Brittas is that fondly remembered nowadays anyway from what I`ve read on other forums. Although I really enjoyed it when it was at its best.

    in reply to: Does Doug want to write TV Dwarf again? #95830
    Turk Thrust
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    Well this genuinely isn`t meant to be personal towards anyone but I think that one of the things that Rob brought to the partnership was to be very firm on quality control (as I`m sure Doug could be as well sometimes). Doug basically says this on the DVDs when he sayd that Rob always said, `we can come up with something better` even when deadlines were tight.

    I think that throughout Doug`s tenure as the guy running the show he has missed that. I think there are lots of good ideas in Doug`s solo stuff but there are also some terrible things which shouldn`t have made it to the screen. Doug being the director has probably only exacerbated that problem.

    If more Dwarf eps are ever made then I hope that Doug would consider bringing someone else in who has a really big pedigree who can look at things from a dispassionate outsider`s point of view and separate the wheat from the chaff.

    in reply to: Review in the Times #95827
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    > It?s a cruel review by a very spiteful woman.

    Yes, of course it is…

    in reply to: Opinions Elsewhere… #95824
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    in reply to: Review in the Times #95823
    Turk Thrust
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    Did she mention the colour of Danny`s and Craig`s skin in the article??? Or is it only you who thinks that`s relevant??? You are implying that she is a racist without any evidence at all which is cretinous. She was talking about what Danny and Craig have been famous for and their arrests are relevant to that end. She didn`t say Danny HAD been found guilty. But he was famous for being arrested and her description of the arrest obviously wasn`t meant to be scathing.

    No, Dwarf hasn`t always been cool even when it`s been winning awards or shifting DVDs and I guess that you haven`t read much of Caitlin Moran`s writing before. She is obviously exaggerating with her comments about 8 million people being embarrassed. That`s pretty blatant.

    Why would she be spiteful when she enjoyed the early series of the show herself?

    If you disagree with her comments about the ep then fine but don`t come out with nonsense about her targeting black actors. You`re the only one doing that.

    in reply to: Does Doug want to write TV Dwarf again? #95816
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    Another name was listed as script supervisor I think.

    in reply to: Review in the Times #95809
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    Bullshit.

    Even if you disagree with all of her opinions, she did state that Craig was acquitted of rape. Although she didn`t mention that Danny`s verdict has now been overturned, it was hardly spiteful. She was simply stating the facts that what those 2 guys have been famous for in recent times is being in the tabloids (and Craig being in Corrie which she also mentioned).

    in reply to: Does Doug want to write TV Dwarf again? #95806
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    I`ve never heard that before. Where did you read the interview? Thank Christ that they never just brought in hired hands to write the show…although I do think that Doug needs to work with somebody else if the show continues. Even if it is just a strong script editor with sound judgment. Can`t remember the name of the woman who worked on the specials but she can`t have been up to the task imo.

    in reply to: Does Doug want to write TV Dwarf again? #95793
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    I think the movie obsession will see Doug attempting to get that made in some way after this. It might happen if the budget is significantly less than what was demanded before.

    I do wonder whether, having worked with so many people who gave their services so cheaply, Doug regrets not taking the 6m he was offered a few years ago…

    in reply to: Review in the Times #95788
    Turk Thrust
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    Seems like it divides opinion just as much as Series VII and VIII really.

    in reply to: Opinions Elsewhere… #95776
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    in reply to: Back to Earth in-character retail vids! #95707
    Turk Thrust
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    Yeah, I haven`t been able to watch the Rimmer vid yet but after seeing the Lister one I`m not sure I ever want to.

    in reply to: Things Norm is right about #95657
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    Can Doug do it all on his own though? That is the one point in Norm`s rant that may have some validity (and one or 2 of the reviewers have said the same thing). I guess we will see tonight and over the weekend.

    By the way, I actually don`t think I, Lovett is that bad at all and it is generally quite highly thought of from what I`ve read.

    in reply to: Norm’s post-Dwarf tell-all #95487
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    > You can?t really blame any of them for not getting in touch, can you? Not when he slags them off on a regular basis.

    Norman did go to Danny`s trial recently though didn`t he and was prepared to be a character witness? It is strange if there has been no contact at all imo.

    in reply to: Premier reports #95469
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    I think someone else had similar feelings didn`t they…That the first ep isn`t too good but the second one is better?

    in reply to: New Lister Behind The Scenes Vid #95306
    Turk Thrust
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    That seems pretty much the only explanation based on that clip at least.

    in reply to: New article #95056
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    > I always said I wished Doug had gone further with VII, ditched the laugh track completely (along with many of the forced moments designed to trigger that laugh track), gone even more dramatic, gone more like Last Human.

    I don`t really disagree too much.

    I haven`t read Last Human for many years but when I did I thought it was certainly much better than Series VII. NOt perfect by a long way and some of the characterization was off but the tone was infinitely preferable. Series VII does have many things shoehorned in to try to make it conform to the sitcom standard I think.

    With BtE, we haven`t really seen any comedy at all in the trailers but maybe that won`t be such a bad thing. I would rather that the new shows had few jokes rather than bad jokes and I am very happy that the style has changed since Series VIII. In that series Doug clearly tried to crowbar gags in even when they didn`t fit (the Nostrilomo gag being 1 of a hundred examples) and it had a negatie impact on the show imo.

    Hopefully in BtE any jokes will fit in with the story and be true to the characters.

    in reply to: The CatNav at SCD98247 #94924
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    1 7 4 2

    in reply to: Chris Barrie – hostility? #94768
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    Hostility is the reason given by Doug on the DVDs but whether it`s true or not…

    The fact that Brittas ended and Chris felt it went on for too long probably was a contributing factor to him returning to Dwarf.

    in reply to: Red Dwarf DVD commentary – a question #94762
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    > Danny comes across as one of those guys who thinks he?s funny when he rarely is

    Nice description. :-)

    Agree that Danny and Norman seem to get on very well.

    in reply to: Is the part of the cat racist? #94428
    Turk Thrust
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    Are you serious???

    in reply to: DVD text… #92908
    Turk Thrust
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    They`re not text tracks.

    in reply to: Not Going Out is funny #91833
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    > She?s the redeeming feature of this show for me.

    I would completely disagree as I think she is the worst thing in it but there we are.

    The show itself is patchy but the last couple of episodes have been very good and when it focuses on Lee and Tim it is at its best. They have an obvious chemistry together and good comedy timing as you would expect (even if their acting ability is otherwise limited in the extreme).

    I hope that the ratings pick up a bit and the show continues because it is one of the best comedies around right now imo.

    in reply to: Old habits… #90332
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    Craig should be thankful. He was obviously perfectly cast as Lister but he has no acting range at all and if he doesn`t like the attention that being in a primetime soap brings then he could obviously have tried turning down a job for once.

    in reply to: No Kochanski #89431
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    Relieved at that news.

    To have included Chloe and not Norman would have been madness and as she was only hired to try to get funding for the movie it makes sense to jettison her now.

    in reply to: best series of dwarf ?? #88722
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    3

    in reply to: Blackadder: The Whole Rotten Saga #85949
    Turk Thrust
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    Yeah, they devoted a reasonable amount of time to the first series.

    in reply to: Can’t Smeg Won’t Smeg #85469
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    Enjoyable enough in a throwaway way but not something I find myself wanting to watch again and not the sort of thing I’d be that keen for them to repeat.

    Agree that the Kochanski stuff is awful but the rest could have been much worse than it eventually turned out.

    in reply to: Things the new Red Dwarf should avoid #84826
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    In the spirit of talking about what we would like to see, I would hope to see just the 5 main characters and not Ace, Hollister, Kochanski, the Dibbley family etc. 2 episodes is not that much time so I hope that they are both driven by the main characters and the plot rather than bringing on characters for cameos unless they are integral to the plot.

    I also hope that the characters’ ages are referred to and that they are allowed to grow old fairly gracefully. I also pray that the characters actually feel authentic.

    The main thing that I’d like though is to not feel like I’ve watched The Legacy of Red Dwarf after the eps have finished. But if the best material from the movie script is used then that shouldn’t happen if it’s as good as has been suggested.

    in reply to: Things the new Red Dwarf should avoid #84816
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    > Dismissing the whole of any work seems simplistic to me. You never see VIII-haters talking at length about the impressive imagination on display in those series, of things being done right. Likewise, the faction of Bond fans who dismiss the whole of Moonraker for its admitted idiocy are choosing to overlook a myriad good qualities – not the least of which is how well the film gets Bond into a credible space-based setting.

    I respectfully disagree that you don’t ever see people rationally talking about the merits of those 2 series. Quite often, including in this thread, people mention good jokes, ideas, episodes etc. from the last 2 series. If some people feel that the bad outweighs the good though then obviously comments about the negative aspects will be mentioned more.

    Similarly with Bond, many people are able to talk about the plusses and minuses of the Moore era. Particularly the hardcore fans I find.

    > For me ?Things the new Dwarf should avoid? is a negative way to go about celebrating your franchise of choice. And in such a small group it can?t help but lean towards existing biases that we?re all kinda aware of already. It comes with a vague agenda – to complain.

    But then posters could, and probably would, just make the same comments in different clothes. For example, instead of talking about not making the mistakes of VII and VIII they would talk about getting back to the heights of the first 6 series.

    Also, as previously mentioned, it is inevitable that talk of new Dwarf will mention old series and as Doug only wrote VII and VIII without Rob then those are the 2 most relevant series to talk about.

    > I like my fandom more positive – ?What would you LIKE to see??

    The nature of these boards is to talk about negative things quite often though isn’t it. For example, in the thread that you started the other day you expended 90% of your time talking about how much Ricky Gervais sucks and much less time praising British cinema. That’s the way it goes.

    in reply to: Things the new Red Dwarf should avoid #84803
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    I think that as Series VII and VIII are the only series to have been written by Doug without Rob, it’s only natural that people would be worried about perceived errors being replicated in the new eps.

    Personally I hope that the 2 new eps have a much stronger script editor as I think Series VIII had some good gags in it but also some terrible ideas and lots of unnecessary lines.

    Ideally I would cut Kochanski altogether but if she is included then I hope Doug makes her into a more well rounded character rather than just a stereotypical male image of what a woman is.

    I hope also that there is a return to more subtlety and pathos too. Doug said in one of the DVD interviews that maybe it was a shame that that had been lost so there seems a chance it will return.

    in reply to: A Simple Fact of life #84651
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    I would have to agree that the reaction to this sort of comment is way over the top. If Gervais thinks that few good British films are made then it’s a valid opinion. People are entitled to them even if others don’t agree.

    Also, lots of people clearly dislike him as a person but it still can’t be denied that the vast majority of projects that he has worked on, including the new film which he is now promoting, have been immensely popular with both fans and critics. Those people’s opinions are again valid.

    I also do wonder why some people who claim to hate him so much seem to intentionally seek out every piece of work he does. Bizarre.

    in reply to: New Red Dwarf Episode Announced August 24th 2008 #83310
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    > Anyway, whatever the reasons behind it all, it has to be great news and probably not the best time to start bickering.

    Amen to that. Hopefully people can put their toys back in the pram and just concentrate on discussing things which are more important.

    Personally I hope that, if the ep does come about, Doug doesn’t think beyond this and just puts everything into it. By that I mean that I hope that any good jokes from the movie script which can be lifted will be and that the ep won’t be seen as a way of putting Dwarf in the shop window for future projects.

    I also pray that it won’t be a ‘best of’ episode with repeated catchphrases and appearances by Ace, the Dibbley family etc.

    in reply to: The Kochanski Effect #82393
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    > I have nothing against Grogan, but it does puzzle me that anyone would consider her a superior actress to Chloe.

    To be fair, Clare does have a much more impressive CV imo. In the show though I agree it’s because she had less to do and she appeared in better series that her version of the character is generally more popular.

    > Doug would be the first to admit that he didn?t write Kochanski very well, especially in VII.

    But Doug has also said that Chloe played the character much more uptight and unlikeable than was written which is hardly a ringing endorsement.

    > But, that said, I do think Chloe is a better actress than Clare. As evidence, I present the following two lines of dialogue :
    ?That doesn?t excuse my other four senses!?
    and
    ?Don?t worry about us, GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!?

    The line, “We’re not friends any more.” immediately springs to mind.

    in reply to: MidRimmer Murders tonight (May 11th) ITV #80202
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    I watched this purely due to Chris’s involvement and it was amiable enough I guess. Chris’s role wasn’t particularly challenging but he was competent in what little he had to do. Obviously he puts other things before his career nowadays which is fair enough but from a fan’s point of view it’s a little disappointing.

    in reply to: Goodbye To Love #122993
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    Can’t really add much else except to reiterate how excellent the DVDs were and are and that it will be tough for GNP to keep up that standard on any future releases.

    in reply to: That’s Numberwang! #121940
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    Yeah, I thought that this ep was stronger than the last couple of weeks. One or two duff sketches but a good success rate nevertheless.

    in reply to: That’s Numberwang! #121665
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    I actually thought it was pretty poor in comparison with the rest of the series. A typical mid-series dip in quality I guess but it’s a shame as I thought the first couple of eps of this series were excellent.

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