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Also what the BBC website is telling us!! Woooo!!

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When is the next episode on, then? Or is “Autumn” all we’re getting?

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When is the next episode on, then? Or is “Autumn” all we’re getting?

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Not even if they’d started using those tongues on each other?

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Oops, posted twice.

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“Jenny who?” – oh, eyepatch lady! Sorry, that belongs in the Doctor Dwarf thread… but yes, forgot about Jenny! I hope she comes back… she was cute!

I’m not sure about this whole “being conceived in the TARDIS gives you TimeLord DNA” either, it sounds perhaps as if the whole thing is a lie. I don’t even know whether to believe River.. she could easily have adopted her name for the very purpose of throwing the gang off the scent. Of course, some theories being thrown around the internet are that the baby IS the Doctor’s child, and that the Silence or whoever was responsible took his seed and planted it into Amy… of course, that would make the whole River-Doctor kissing thing very disturbing.

I am thinking, though, that the future Doctor – finding out that the others saw him die – somehow stages his own death (clone, second Doctor, flesh, who knows) to ensure that what they think they saw remains the same – that’s why he has to invite them to see it again… that way a paradox isn’t created, they just witnessed a false murder all along and he’s still safe. Hmmmm…. it all reminds me a little of Stasis Leak though…
Hologram Rimmer – “in 3 million years, you’ll be dead”
Alive Rimmer – “Will I REALLY?”
So the “present” Doctor only has 200 more years to live… oh no… that’s more than most of us get! (Also means he stays in Matt Smith incarnation for a looong time!)

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When did he become human again – Big Bang 2? Because he definitely still had gun-hands in the museum (after his 2000 year wait). I’m also wondering why Amy referred to Rory as “the last of his kind”, or was that just a cheap trick to lure is into thinking “OMG THE DOCTOR IS THE DAD”?

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Why why WHY did I just spend the last two hours reading the Digital Spy DW forum? Some of the comments on there…

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Was it planned all along, or did they wing it? Spoiler time!

I’d say that “who River is” does have a connection to the Doctor… even if her Time Lord DNA was only caused by being conceived in the TARDIS, it means that he isn’t truly the last of his kind (again)… perhaps then he can piece together why she can fly the TARDIS and read Galifreyan, how she time travels and why he supposedly loves her. Although it makes her earlier comments to Rory about how he swept her off her feet when she was a young girl, knowing so much about her, a little creepy as I’m wondering just how young she was when he “met” her again… are we talking back to America 1969? I’m assuming it was her in the space suit, of course… at least all signs point to that, and the writers do tend to go with the obvious storyline rather than the fantastic twists that the fans come up with ;)!

Not surprisingly the Doctor Who page on Facebook has a lot of badly spelt comments such as “OMG wot an amazing twist i didnt c that comin!!!” while the nerdier fans point out that it was pretty obvious. I suppose that once we learned that the baby’s name was Melody, it was quite easy to piece together the child in the orphanage, the picture of Amy with the baby, the space suit, the regeneration in the alleyway (where did that accent go though, River?), the TARDIS in human form’s comment, the name connection.

What this means, though, is that later in River’s timeline she meets Amy and Rory again, but she can’t tell them who she is. Also this whole “I was jailed for killing a good man” business… if it was her in the space suit, she would have known all along. Although I’m wondering whether we’re just meant to assume that she means she killed the Doctor, and then it turns out to be Rory (when Amy described Melody’s father to her it sounded as if she meant the Doctor, but hey, she meant the Last Centurian) – a hero to many? Perhaps. It’s not really sci-fi unless someone kills a family member, eh?

I have another question. If Rory is still plastic/robot, how does his sperm work?

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Well, these ones are a bit of a stretch, but…. weird time-crossing-parentage (I almost expected to find out that Amy was her own mother, and that she had regenerated into River, but there were no such Ouroborous style storylines)… Amy and baby Melody bursting into white plastic/wax stuff reminded me of Waxworld droids…

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I definitely had Me2 flashbacks when there were two Doctors.

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On some of the other DW forums people are debating when exactly Amy was “taken” and swapped. At first I thought it was when she disappeared and they found her psychic link recorder on the floor, but we saw the creepy eyepatch woman before that… so when did it happen?

I did find it surprising that the Doctor didn’t use her to locate the signal, yes… although perhaps he already did that when we weren’t looking. My mind is desperately trying to work out the connection between this baby, the girl in the spacesuit and apparently River Song… and why the girl was regenerating in the alley! I really hope it’s a good twist and isn’t written off with a cheap plot device.

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Just watched episode 6…. the end, eek! What is going on!? ^_^

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I’m just envisioning a moon theme park similar to the one in Futurama…

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Sometimes it’s fun to read the ill-informed, stupid opinions of others… it makes us feel better about ourselves, perhaps? Plus there’s a kind of twisted pleasure in watching someone shoot themselves in the foot, when you know full well that they are absolutely brimming over with wrong-ability. Maybe? ;)

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Series VII never happened.

Except for “Blue”.

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I mean research that has had the goal of “let’s travel into space (and see if aliens are out there)” which has had the fortunate side-effect of discovering/inventing useful things. http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html#health
A lot of these things had to be created to keep astronauts alive in space, I think… and then they thought “oh, this might be useful for everyone else, too”. I don’t know if that justifies it, though, as I’m sure the military have come up with a lot of useful things, too.

This is a massive, serious topic though ;)… sorry, guys. The ultimate conclusion on one extreme is that we shouldn’t be using computers, eating fancy meals or buying nice clothes when other people are starving and dying of AIDS, but of course nobody wants to make those sacrifices… plus that probably wouldn’t actually help.

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I think one of the things that makes Dwarf so amazing is the Lister/Rimmer dynamic. Add in new actors and it would just be a generic sitcom set in space, which – while possibly being funny – would not be Red Dwarf.

I personally vote for cloning the actors ASAP, so that by the time the current cast are too old/senile to make more series, the younger versions will be ripe and ready to go again. Think of the possibilities.

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Did not mean to post twice. Meow.

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“So you see, I actually AM the Doctor, I have a Sonic Screwdriver and everything. Chris, you look like you need some more convincing. Come up to my hotel room and I’ll show you my TARDIS..”

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Lisa, I was thinking the same thing. It does seem ridiculous that there are so many under-funded avenues of research that could save lives while tons of your tax money is going to poncing about in space… BUT then I remembered how many medical advances have actually come from space research.

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Haha, Japan is awesome. I need to seek out the Japanese RD fans, though.

I was too lazy to Google, Ian. Or I was just trying to make conversation :'(…. so 6pm eh? That’s 2am on the morning of the 24th for me…. plus I’ll have to wait until somebody uploads it, as I can’t get iPlayer here (unless there’s a way that I’m unaware of). I also need to make my heathen American boyfriend watch ALL of Who up until this point… we’re halfway through series 2 (of new Who)…

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Time to start saving up!

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She sounds as if she’s about 14 or 15. Thanks for the early morning chuckle. This has brought the possibility for self-publishing to my attention, too… time to get back to writing something!

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Now imagine you live in Japan, where they don’t celebrate Easter…..
When is that?

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The new series of Misfits has been on… is nobody watching that? Also there may be new Being Human, but I’m not sure.

Otherwise, I have been mostly watching old episodes Sliders. It was awesome… well, it still IS…

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Hey, red heads are fiery, and I think you could always tell that she wanted to shag him ;) (well, it was a childhood obsession that stuck with her through puberty… y’know?)… Yes, my main contribution is about sexual tension.
I am loving the new series, though. I take back all my “he’s not Tennant” comments… he is brilliant!!!

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Hmmm. Potentially good, but adding dimensions always ruins old games. I mean… Sonic Adventure 2 drove me crazy because of the changing camera angles (what I call 3D fail, common in many games) – ie you start to jump up and in one direction, then the camera switches position when you’re mid-air, and so you’re suddenly jumping in the wrong way… grr!!!! So… this could be fun… but the mine cart thing looks kinda infuriating…

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I stand corrected about Smith not being a great Doctor. I agree with Carl, though – the “ooh look how kooky we are” thing was a bit cringeworthy. Some of the slapstick was a bit unnecessary. Very “Girl in the Fireplace” but the obvious plotline was still nice… yeah, another (redheaded) runaway bride, another boyfriend left behind (although I doubt Rory will be as cool a jilted boyfriend as Mickey turned out to be)… ah well, if it’s all completely different people complain, if they re-use old stories people complain… let’s just enjoy the new Who era. It’s going to be brilliant!!

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Heck, I am ginger by CHOICE. My hair is naturally blonde (ish) but I think red hair is amazing. People will pick on anything, and ginger-ism is one of the prejudices which sadly, and ridiculously, is still acceptable in the UK.

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I used to watch a cartoon called The Bluffers… does anyone remember it??? (I have a Facebook group with 95 members!)… it was about a gang of animals living in a forest under threat from the “crazed maniac” Clandestino… wonderful hippy, anti-capitalist cartoon from The Netherlands, I think!
Also of course Fun House, Get Your Own Back, all that stuff…

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You know you want to order it just to find out…

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Whatever my opinions on Lady Gaga… that’s one awesome squid!

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I’ll be in Japan… until March 2011!!

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“It is too late to do anything good or sensible now because we are all going to end up dead anyway” – I think Eva is actually a very wise lady. It’s quite low to resort to insulting peoples’ intelligence because their grammar isn’t up to scratch. Sure, she’s bat-shit crazy, but she actually has some good points in there somewhere!

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Yeah, I already checked (*shame mode*)

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She’s not on your Facebook friends is she? ;)

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I love No Heroics! Although the only reason I knew it existed was some random channel-hopping late one night in a hotel in London. I’ve watched it all now though – was going to mention it actually.
I did search the forum for Misfits but didn’t find anything! So Carrie, you know Alisha? Awesome. I would (if she took the chavvy earrings out).

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Argh, you’re all melting my brain! :P Let’s just go by the Doctors. So we’ve just finished 10 (volumes 1-3) and we’re entering season 11 now. Sure, each season would be a completely different length but it would make sense?

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Well, what made it worse was that he looked his own daughter in the eye and murdered her son in front of her while she screamed and begged him not to. I don’t know if it was supposed to show him sacrificing his “own” flesh and blood for the sake of the world’s children, and he had just lost Ianto… but as somebody who himself has died thousands of times but always comes back, it’s sometimes hard to think that he really appreciates the permanence of death for everybody else. CoE sickened me… the almost flippant way the government started deciding who the 10% of children would be, the amount of resources and time spent trying to kill Jack when he was supposedly the only one who could help. On top of it all, finding out that the children were used as drugs… it did feel like an attempt to bombard our moral compasses with ethical questions, but I sat there thinking “you know… this probably IS what the government would do”.

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Yep, showing that humans just have to discriminate against SOMEONE ;)

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I said Chris, not Rimmer ;) but…. yes. You know it would be amazing.

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Wait, wait, wait, go back to the talk about deviant sexuality… ^_^
I haven’t seen Being Human yet, but on the vampire-human sex front, watch True Blood. There’s at least one sex scene in every episode. It’s a little bit deviant in the way that he drinks her blood whenever they have sex (but only a bit).
Torchwood is fantastic for gay storylines, by the way. I showed my friend this video to get her to watch it – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xekxd9WgAlQ ;)

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I read that entire argument, and all I’m left with is the horrible image of Vernon Kay as Doctor 12. Why, Andrew, WHY?
Chris Barrie should be 12. It would be beautiful.

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Don’t take it too seriously, and you’ll have a blast.

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Yeah, you too. Resolutions?

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Doctor 10(ant) mentioned that it felt like dying every time, he comes back in a different body but it isn’t really “him” anymore. This particular incarnation was apparently just one with a rather fragile ego, he didn’t want to die (you can see how much he clung onto this identity when he used the DNA from his preserved hand to regenerate as himself, and the little tantrum he had before saving Wilf), while Eccleston’s Doctor was the kind who faced death more bravely.
And yeah… swirly whirly, timey wimey… the TimeLords attempt to return would have been a fixed point in time, too, I guess, seeing as it was at that point (for them) that they put the signal in the Master’s head and sent it back through time. So for as long as he had heard the drums, the whole event had already happened in the would-be going to have has happened in the…we don’t exist here anymore!!!

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Lollipops?

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Interesting! We never really find out what becomes of Donna, presumably she forgets everything again?
Ooh, the other point I was going to make… Wilf already knew about the prophecy – “he will knock four times” – he brings it up as they’re hurtling down to earth, before the Doctor makes his awesome (realistic or not) plunge through the glass. So if Wilf knew this, wasn’t it just a bit… well, mean, to knock on the glass in a rhythm of four?

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As long as they’re not sparkly vampires we’ll be OK…

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In what way are they comparing it to Twilight?

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Shit… I’m going to be in Japan… I really hope I get good bandwidth.

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I LOVE the fact he says “Geronimo!”. For obvious Rimmer-related reasons.

I was dubious about 11 but you know… I think he’s going to be brilliant. Even if he reminds me of an English Lit student who’s just rushed out of bed 2 minutes before his final exam. And the new companion is hot.

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I’ll need to watch part 1 again but something was said about Wilf being at the heart of coincidence… possibly as some kind of explanation as to why he and the Doctor’s lives keep becoming intertwined, or rather why he was “chosen” by the Time Lords, if that was the case.
It did seem a bit of a cop-out that the entire build up to the Time Lords returning was resolved so quickly… the Master’s entire life and insanity had built up to this moment, all these prophecies about something returning… and all it took was a quick bullet to a diamond and they were gone again. I had hoped for something a bit more… epic… and having guns play a part in any resolution always bugs me, especially when the whole mysterious Time Lord lady (or just Time Lady?) who appeared to Wilf kept telling him to take up arms… was it just for that reason?
As for Mickey and Martha, they weren’t necessarily on earth – Jack certainly wasn’t! As the next visit was to save SJ’s son from being run over, I liked to think that he changed a bit of time before he died. Perhaps Martha was originally shot by a Sontarin and he saved her, or something.
As for Jack… and Alonso… might we have the start of a new Torchwood crew? ;) Or was the Doctor’s final goodbye to Jack just to get him laid?
It was fun, if not strangely paced and with slightly anti-climactic resolutions. Ultimately, though, it was part 2 of the Christmas special, a send-off for David Tennant and RTD, so it’s allowed a bit of creative freedom. And as Karl said… we’re Red Dwarf fans… surely we’re used to unanswered questions and a lack of continuity ;)

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6.40pm? That’s longer away than I thought…. ah well, off I go to the house of a friend with an actual television. EEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! (excited noise, just to avoid confusion)

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Congratulations!
Hmmm… David or Kristine (spelt however you like) are subtle tributes, or for a Dr Who reference, Rose or Jack, wait no, those are the characters in Titanic…
How about Robert David (can be after Robert Llewelyn or Grant, shortened to Bob, and David Lister), the initials are then RD, or when put backwards, DR (WHO!) ;)

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I turned on the TV the other day and they were showing an old Weakest Link with Who cast. I couldn’t stop watching…

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Let’s see how many people watch part 2 before we judge…

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Well… the 2 was under the 1… you know what I mean ^_^

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Yes, 1 3 5
2 4

If that makes sense. And reverse depends on the car!

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I hope you all had a good day! I’m finally humble… I was happy to get socks, shower gel.. and Baileys :)

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All I could think was how bad the “Master race” pun was (if it can be called a pun??), and how much fun John Simm must have had filming. But what exactly does he plan to do now that he’s copied almost the entire planet into himself? Will they all just walk around laughing, or will they move on to the rest of the universe?
Well, whatever flaws it may have had, I still can’t wait for part 2…

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We should do it when Marleen’s in the country. The dates people are mentioning here are way too soon!

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Ahhh, I’m finishing my job on Thursday. It is Santa’s Grotto, so it would only be weird if it was open longer. So… now I’ll do anything. Bar work, shops, kitchens, who cares if you have a degree, it’s still hard to get anything at the moment… MERRY CHRISTMAS TOO!

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I think the real answer here is… Doug thought it would be funny. Or “because series VIII was shit”… ;)
But seriously. It was a hallucination. Just like everything that happened in Back to Reality… Back to Earth… Better than Life… I’m sure you can think of more.

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I pretty much do live with Lister. It involves a lot of cleaning up and patience ;)
But I’ve also lived with some Rimmers in my time, and they are far more annoying.

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Actually, I can think of many…

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I don’t know, it’s a draw between him and Cappsy!

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Just a nightmare I had….

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Well, Season 2 seems a bit better (based on 4 episodes) but it does plunge you into the story a nonspecified amount of time later, and it will probably take the entire series to complete the jigsaw puzzle. There are some storylines that I find very annoying though, particularly Adelle DeTwit’s decision making processes…

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I think if they do cast a new Holly… it should be… Brian Blessed!

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Well, you wrote it without watching any of season 2. The story is clearly about Caroline (or Echo), and despite many flaws, for me it was a thought-provoking look at memory, identity, consciousness and the soul. Maybe I’ve been studying too much Philosophy of Mind but it raised a lot of questions (which, admittedly it could never answer). There is definite character development – you follow Echo, as well as Sierra and Victor (and their oh-so-cute love story that transcends memory and identity) as you gradually learn more about them, why they are in the Dollhouse, and watch their supposedly erased memories start popping to the surface. Is it only interesting to psychology nerds?

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NO new Holly!

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Hahah, yes, it’s a beautifully bad film. And the alley fight has to last about half an hour!!… go watch it!

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I’m looking at my DVD collection in sad realisation that I own nothing that you probably haven’t already seen… apart from perhaps “They Live!” – it’s a John Carpenter film, and is a bit dystopian I guess, a little bit David Icke… plus “Rowdy” Roddy Piper plays the lead – what can possibly go wrong?

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Wait, shit, I meant Curse. Escape is the shitty 3D one that I have for PS2 and gave up on pretty quickly!! So, ignore that… I can’t convince Curse of Monkey Island to work on my shiny Vista laptop. This happens with most good old games (especially Discworld II), they will start to work and then crash after about 15 minutes…

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I still can’t convince Escape to work on my laptop…

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Most students here use “like” in between pretty much every word.
“So it’s like, I went to her and was like, are you ok? and she’s was like no, and it was like really awkward”… not in a surfer dude way, but just listen to people talking and count the amound of times they say it, like.

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Oh dear, I do that a lot in real life, but mostly with “you hope” or “yeah, let’s go with that…”… people get confused pretty quickly!

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Well, the trick is to say “so to speak” after really obscure things, in order to confuse people. OR say something incredibly graphic and disgusting – and add “so to speak” at the end. Play it!

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So to speak… (again)

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Yay!

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…That’s what she said!

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You missed Karl’s birthday!

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I suppose if we assume the existence of a soul, or just consciousness, then that it was lasts over regenerations. Certain personality traits can be the cause of physical brain activity, yada yada ;)… why was one of the Ood there?

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I thought he should have taken Adelaide’s body and put her back on Mars, to keep things as similar as possible, but there we go. He has probably cracked after all those centuries, seeing so many things, all the beauty and all the pain of the universe is too much for one mind… plus all the doctors are essentially *him*, right, so having a new body isn’t going to erase all the inner darkness…

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>I felt a bit irritated she said that self deprecating ?that was very British wasn?t it?? line though.

Wasn’t that just before the memory loss drug/airborne virus hit her and made them all silly? Also… notice that there’s always one annoying “geeky” character who constantly makes sarcastic little jibes, well… Topher… Wash… Xander?

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There’s one in FAB in Manchester, and Jo’s up for her birthday soon so.. there’s always time!

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What about River Song, who claims to have had a relationship with the Doctor? I’m sure there was lots of sex there. Jack is a walking bag of sexual energy, although you could talk a lot about Torchwood, where sex is much more evident (and nondiscriminating). The Doctor also has a daughter, and in The Family of Blood he falls in love (with Daisy from Spaced)… these are all Tennant-heavy episodes, it’s when I pay the most attention.

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O_O

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I want to make midget jokes but it might offend someone…

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I love how your mind works.

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If we’re on the subject of Whedon… has anyone watched Dollhouse? And what did you think? I’ve just finished season 1… I enjoyed it but I really want to discuss it.
Where did this come from? Ah, Jack being bland? I don’t know… for someone who’d died that many times, spent 1000 years or something underground and seen so much of the universe, he still seems a bit too sane. But maybe the healing thing works on his mind, too (as it does in Heroes).

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Well… I watched Buffy for the other characters. She was just annoying.

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To be fair, I haven’t seen any of them…

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Racist!

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I Screamed When I Saw Your Final Destination Was Another Shitty Saw Movie Last Summer versus Jason On A Plane Part 4789 in London in Space 2 OF DOOM

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And Rhys still loves Gwen even though she mostly treats him like shit (see how I veered it back to Torchwood). What is it with RTD and women treating their puppydog men badly? Hmm.

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I Screamed When I Saw Your Final Destination Was Another Shitty Saw Movie Last Summer

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Ahh cool, I was wondering what the connection was. I tried to look in the credits for any common crew members but didn’t see any! Nice references though. Also… what a film ;)

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