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  • in reply to: Back in the Red – one hour version? #112396
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    Pete Part Three — you can tell some of what was added from the deleted scenes.

    For instance, almost all the business in the second layer of A.R. was added in later. It would’ve gone from Kochanski trying to throw herself at Rimmer in the fake AR suite, then we’d see the real AR suite (which looked different, with them lying down in surgical gowns rather than standing up in wall recesses) and Hollister watching it all on a screen. So the elevator scene, the ugly “real” ground controller, the theory of relativity discussion and Holly revealing he resurrected the crew was all added in later.

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    There’s something about a spin-off of Red Dwarf that just seems kind of… odd to me, and I think it’s to do with Red Dwarf being both a sci-fi show and a comedy show.

    When comedy shows have spin-offs, they almost always do it by taking one or two characters from the original and putting them in a different setting or situation (which is the most common type of spin-off, really). But it seems to me that such an approach wouldn’t really work with Red Dwarf — partly because the characters work best playing off each other, but also because the show has covered such a vast amount of ground in itself. I mean, compare early Series 1 to late Series VII — the setting is different, the style is different, the premise of the show has changed, and the only two original characters remaining are Lister and the Cat.

    (I can actually think of one opportunity they had for doing that kind of spin-off: what with Captain Hollister being a main character in Series VIII, and that series also featuring lots of other crew members [Thornton, Ackerman, Dr Karen Whatsername, Dr Lucas McClaren, etc.], they could’ve done a spin-off set in the escape fleet of Starbugs & Blue Midgets. But twelve years on it’s a bit late for that now.)

    Science fiction shows which do spin-offs are a bit broader with their approach — they don’t necessarily always do the continuing-characters thing, and can occasionally leap a hundred years in the future or fifty years in the past. Red Dwarf could do a spin-off like Carlito suggested, perhaps set on Earth or a colony or a different ship or whatever. But the thing is, given how little we really know about the Earth or solar system from the show itself, there seems little point in making it a spin-off at all.

    in reply to: “Pete” was meant to go before “Krytie TV” #110712
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    TOS says that “Pete” was filmed before “Krytie TV”, for what it’s worth…

    > Pete could have easily been named as two standalones that follow on from one another, rather than a two-parter.

    Multi-parters with separate names for each episode tend to be more like separate episodes linked together, though (“Confidence and Paranoia”/”Me^2”, “Out of Time”/”Tikka to Ride”, “Epideme”/”Nanarchy”) while “Pete” is more like all one story. It’s possible to edit about fifteen to twenty minutes out of “Pete” to get a decent single episode (I’ve actually tried it — yes, I’m a saddo) and the end result holds together quite well; I’d imagine that trying to do the same with one of the other examples above, however, would result in a confusing mess which undergoes a sudden plot change halfway through (hmm… sounds like “Only the Good”).

    in reply to: Australia’s getting a(n in)Complete Box Set #110339
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    So people would still have to buy Red Dwarf I to III individually, then?

    > I just have one question: When do we get the Body Snatcher Collection??? I think we’ve had everything but that released here.

    Huh? The Bodysnatcher Collection was released in Australia years ago. (Assuming you are Australian…)

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    Here’s a link: http://www.monash.edu.au/news/monashmemo/stories/20090916/did-you-know.html It includes a recent photo of her.

    in reply to: Final, definitive proof that Americans are rubbish… #109074
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    That was… mediocre. It was Spaced with almost all the funny removed. Not actually terrible — i.e. not awfully eye-clawingly bad — but just… meh.

    in reply to: Watching a 4:3 show on a widescreen TV #102927
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    I think it’s worth noting that the polar bears and the hatch have both been explained…

    Oh, and I *hate* stretchyvision so much! But what annoys me more is when the analogue signal “compromises” with 16:9 shows by broadcasting them in 14:9, with a thin sliver shaved off each side and with small black bars on the top & bottom. Thing is, my widescreen TV has 3 settings — 16:9, 4:3 and Zoom — so if I’ve recorded something on the VCR I can either watch it with pillarboxes and small letterboxes, or zoomed in with a sliver shaved off the top and bottom as well. Then again, last week we got a digital recorder so it’s not so much of a problem any more.

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    Dirk Gently, not Hitchhiker’s.

    in reply to: Things we WOULD like to see in the New Dwarf Specials. #84863
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    Plotwise, a quick resolution of the “Only the Good” cliffhanger (even if only in the form of a scrolly-thing) followed by an unrelated story set a decade later.

    in reply to: End of the World or just baseless fears #84181
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    Morbo says: “BLACK HOLES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!”

    Gravitational pull of one object on another depends on 2 things: its mass and proximity of the two objects. The reason why black holes have such strong gravity at their event horizon is because the objects that they suck in are much closer to their centre of gravity than they could be if it weren’t so compressed.

    So, for example, if the Sun suddenly became a black hole then the Earth wouldn’t get sucked in, but would continue to orbit normally around it. However, an object would be able to approach much closer to the black-hole-that-was-the-Sun’s centre of gravity and therefore would experience a much more massive gravitational pull and get sucked in. Similarly, if you make a small amount of matter into a tiny microscopic black hole then the black hole will be absolutely harmless to the world, and will only suck in things that get close enough to it (which would again be a microscopic distance).

    So, in summary, the world’s not going to end. Brought to you by a high school physics student and Phil Plait fan.

    in reply to: The Dibbley Family in Back in the Red part 2 – just bug me #84059
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    My plan didn’t actually involve editing the Dibbley scene at all: even though it’s not too funny it’s still necessary for the plot. The main thing I did was keep the original ending, completely getting rid of all the additionally-shot scenes for the second layer of AR. I also got rid of the dance and the claymation of course, and the Ground Control scene (without the dance or the second Ground Control scene, there’s no point to it). And I got rid of both of the flash-forward scenes to Lister and Rimmer’s prison cell – although both were funny they just didn’t fit.

    I structured the one-hour BitR so it could actually be split into two episodes for broadcast. For that, I rearranged some scenes: after RImmer’s “The world loves a bastard!” comes Kryten’s medical exam and the following scene with Kryten and Kochanski, and after *that* comes the final scene for my Part 1 which is Rimmer and Hollister in the Captain’s Office (i.e. the actual beginning of BitR Part 2). The opening scene for my Part 2 is then the enquiry scene where they agree to the mind-scan (the extended version as scene in the DVD all-in-one version of BitR).

    There were some other edits I planned out, mostly small, but those are the main ones that should give you a good idea of what my BitR fan-edit would be.

    in reply to: The Dibbley Family in Back in the Red part 2 – just bug me #84055
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    I don’t think much of Dibbley’s appearance in Emohawk either.

    > “For a while now I?ve thought about doing this for BITR: editing the extended 3-parter down to an hour.
    Which is what they should have done in the first place.

    Maybe I will if I get a couple of spare hours.”

    I actually planned one out several months ago (it came to about 56 minutes) but haven’t done it due to a mixture of apathy and lack of required software.

    in reply to: Captain Kochanski in original Series VIII ending? #84011
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    > “Which is not at all the point I was addressing.”

    *rereads post* Oh, yeah. I misinterpreted “charges” as “charges he was convicted of” and was being nitpicky.

    Well, yeah, you’re right anyway. To the resurrected crew, Kochanski IS their Kochanski.

    in reply to: Captain Kochanski in original Series VIII ending? #83983
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    > “Isn?t one of the charges against Lister that he ?kidnapped Navigation Officer Kristine Kochanski?? It?s been a while since I?ve seen it?but it seems that the fact that she isn?t from this reality doesn?t matter.”

    Remember he was exonerated of that – they all were. They were found guilty of abusing classified information.

    My own theory re. Captain Kochanski: yes, technically speaking she’s the captain now, but she doesn’t want to move into Hollister’s quarters (she’s an officer – she has nice quarters, not crappy technician’s quarters) and she recognises that calling herself Captain isn’t going to mean a damn thing to most of the Dwarfers anyway. Rimmer, on the other hand, is happy to call bagsies for the captain’s quarters himself. And, since Kochanski is off partying with Lister and Cat, Rimmer is contentedly ordering around Kryten in his new position as the Acting Executive Officer.

    in reply to: Back in the Red: Part Three – It Just Bugs Me #83982
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    You don’t even NEED “Earth” to make “Only the Good” into a good two-parter (as in an Epideme-Nanarchy style two-parter where they’re linked but separate). Everything just seems rather rushed in it as it is anyway. There’s a thing about Lister pranking Kryten then Kryten pranking Lister… then they’re escaping! Then a microbe (or virus? They say both, but they’re different things) is eating Red Dwarf! Then the rest of the crew is evacuating! Then they’re going to a mirror universe! Then Rimmer’s in the mirror universe! Then Rimmer’s back in the real universe and Red Dwarf is breaking apart! The actual plot seems to be skimmed over in favour of the jokes.

    Think about it, really: “Only the Good” can easily be divided into two halves – the first half is a prison thing with the prankings and the attempted escape, and the second half is the mirror universe story. Done in separate episodes I reckon both could be done more justice. I mean, why didn’t we see them making their escape? How did Talia fit into the whole thing? What happened with the thing with Baxter? How did they come up with the mirror universe idea so quickly? How did they build the mirror universe portal machine? What are Lister, Kryten and Holly like in the mirror universe? (This one in particular is a huge lost opportunity – we only saw two scenes set in the mirror universe which only showed a tiny part of the mirror Red Dwarf). What about the other prisoners left behind? Even if “Only the Good” had gone ahead with the original “happy” ending – which I prefer – these still would’ve been big flaws in the episode which could be fixed if both stories had been given room to breathe.

    in reply to: Back in the Red: Part Three – It Just Bugs Me #83808
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    I do like Series VIII. Not as much as VII, which again I don’t like as much as VI, which again I don’t like as much as the first five. But I do still like VIII.

    The thing is, “Back in the Red” would work as a two-parter. It’d work really well. But as a three-parter it’s just annoyingly stretched out with too many unnecessary bits (the dance, the claymation, the whole reshoot bit in the next “layer” of AR – and I thought the latter two *were* funny, but they were pointless). The thing is, couldn’t Doug or Paul have come up with another story idea to put in the middle of the series (to go either 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th), instead of shooting extra scenes to extend BitR?

    My other big issue with VIII is that I think “Pete” should have been one episode and “Only the Good” should have been a two-parter (you could split it at the point where the rest of the crew evacuate). With those changes I reckon the quality of VIII as a whole would be lifted.

    in reply to: “The return of the real fake” #80893
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    I wonder why Lucas went the route he did? Keep with the romantic theme?

    It’s possible it was just an oversight. Or maybe he thought it was a cheat to effectively kill her off-screen (what TV Tropes calls a “Bus Crash”).

    in reply to: General questions about Last human. #80880
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    they seem to have no problem with Lister being discovered on Earth, an old and tired man, and later dying of a heart attack. Seems a little ohIdontknowsortofmaybe hypocritical, perhaps.

    Not really, since the end of “Better Than Life” says that he is going to spend 36 years on Backwards Earth, so that by the end of that – and in time for the beginning of the next book, presumably – he will be back at the physical age of 25. So he DOESN’T stay that way. That’s the difference.

    (And at any rate, there’s a difference between aging someone and de-aging someone. Aging a character gives the reader an image in their mind’s eye of the same character, physically older but still the same – so in Lister’s case, you’d imagine Craig Charles in old-age makeup. On the other hand, de-aging the character to a teenager is altogether a much bigger change, and also carries with it all the baggage of “Younger and Edgier Recasting!”)

    in reply to: General questions about Last human. #80878
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    > I know that they are both meant to be sequels to BTL, Backwards just flows better from it, what with the whole, actually starting in the reverse-verse.

    I agree… mostly. I still don’t like it how Kochanski was written out of Backwards. “Oh, yeah, she couldn’t perceive time going forwards: she only remembered the future, like everyone else. Why was she like that and Lister wasn’t, when both were taken and transplanted onto Backwards Earth in exactly the same way? Because SHUT UP, that’s why.”

    On the whole, I’m not entirely happy about either book but I think I prefer “Last Human” to “Backwards”. “Backwards” is just too… sadistic. (And one minor point: if in the Red Dwarf TV show Lister and Cat were both de-aged to 15 years old, AND STAYED THAT WAY, how would you react?)

    in reply to: “The return of the real fake” #80877
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    > (I firmly believe Anakin should have been a bit older and best friends with Uncle Owen, who got pissed off when Anakin left to become a Jedi and that explains the chip on his shoulder in A New Hope – that?s simple straightforward character material that everyone would have liked)

    I reckon they should’ve been half-brothers. It explains the different surname but keeps Uncle Owen as Luke’s actual uncle.

    in reply to: “A WHITE hole?” #122924
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    That was bloody useless. According to the test results I prefer black people to white people because I was quicker with placing things into the “black people or good” category than the “white people or good” category. Yeah, or IT WAS BECAUSE THE “BLACK PEOPLE OR GOOD” CATEGORY CAME FIRST, YOU STUPID TIT, SO I HAD TO WORK AGAINST FAMILIARITY OF IT BEING THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

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    “Nipples” is better. The line flows more with a two-syllable word.

    in reply to: Extra Final Scene! #122170
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    > “It?s difficult to think of the right terminology, but ?a nod to long term fans whilst sacrificing the ?reality? of that world? is what I mean.”

    You mean “verisimilitude”?

    in reply to: 10 little questions… #121425
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    This is how I’d make a new Red Dwarf series at some point in the future:
    1. Start again from the start. I’d try and make a “definitive version” by “blending” the first series and first novel.
    2. Hate to say it, but replacements would be the way to go.
    3. Red Dwarf, of course! With Starbug appearing regularly too, of course.
    4. The original shape of Red Dwarf. Mel Bibby-style interior set design.
    5. Original crew die, as it was in the original story.
    6. Living in the first episode, then hologram. Of course.
    7. Kochanski dies, then is brought back later. Not sure if I’d do it like in Ouroboros, in the Better Than Life novel, or some original way.
    8. Female Holly.
    9. I’d structure it like what tvtropes.org calls a “Half-Arc Season” – i.e. mainly stand-alone with an arc subplot. Incidentally, I think I’d make it 45-minute episodes.
    10. The ending… You know how Back to Reality ended? And how the original ending of Only the Good went? I’d end it like that – open for more, but a suitable ending if it turns out to be the last one.

    Now, if I were in charge of a new series eight years ago:
    1. Series 9.
    2. Originals.
    3. Red Dwarf, with Starbug featuring in almost every episode. It’d be the Starbug they spent 200+ years flying around in (still wrecked in the landing bay, until they repair it, so it’s their only shuttlecraft until they salvage more.
    4. It has to be the new version, really, but I’d try as hard as possible to get back Peter Wragg etc. so we can have model shots rather than CG.
    5. Lister, Rimmer, Cat, Kryten, Kochanski and Holly are on Red Dwarf. All the rest of the crew are on the fleet of Starbugs and Blue Midgets. (Possible spinoff?)
    6. Living Rimmer. It seems cheap to kill him off again just so he can be a hologram.
    7. Kochanski is still there. I actually like her character, especially as written in Series VIII.
    8. Well, I’m guessing it’d have to be Norman, but I’d rather have Hattie back.
    9. Stand-alone episodes (except for the first episode, which ties up Only the Good) but with a a continuity to them so they can’t just be mixed & matched. Like “Spaced”, I suppose.
    10. Not a fucking cliffhanger! Again, I’d close it Back to Reality style.

    Things I’d put in: more Gelf tribes, the reappearance of the Cat species, and I came up with a story once which had mechanoids who had rebelled in the Mechanoid War showing up (except for the TV series this would be between Lister’s time & Kryten’s time, rather than before Lister’s time as in the novels) so I think I’d put that in there.

    in reply to: Least favourite Red Dwarf episode? #120775
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    I don’t really mind any of the episodes, but my least favourites are “Emohawk” and “Only the Good”.

    I don’t like “Emohawk” because it’s basically three episodes clumsily stapled together, with Ace and Duane thrown in for no apparent reason. It didn’t have a proper structure to it: it was far too much like one of the new Simpsons episodes.

    I don’t like “Only the Good” for many reasons. The main one is that it squashes two episodes’ worth of story into one episode. As a two-parter, with the split just after the Starbugs & Blue Midgets evacuates Red Dwarf, it could have done the story justice. Plus, the ending. Honestly, it’s the 52nd episode and you know you’re not going to make any more – why the hell would you end it on such a crappy cliffhanger? They should have used the original ending.

    in reply to: J.J’s Trek Trailer #120490
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    Y’know, it really annoys me when I see people saying “Bah Lost is rubbish nothing ever happens they never answer any questions it sucks… oh yeah, and I stopped watching two years ago.” Want to take a guess WHY you don’t get it?

    And I don’t accept the opinion that the flashbacks are a waste of time… except for the “Jack’s tattoos” one, that wasn’t really important.

    As for the new Star Trek movie – Ain’t It Cool News is the shittiest excuse for an entertainment news website I’ve ever seen. And a lot of the rumours about the movie seem to be a garbled mash-up of what the movie actually is about and “Star Trek: Of Gods and Men”.

    in reply to: Worst line from Red Dwarf #120290
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    “You mean there’s a heart out there with no body? No wonder it’s beating so fast.” Um… what?

    The Nostrilomo comes close.

    in reply to: J.J’s Trek Trailer #120289
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    The movie will be set in multiple time frames: there’ll be flashbacks, and presumably flash-forwards with Leonard Nimoy.

    I’m really looking forward to this. I check Trekmovie every other day.

    in reply to: What was the first episode of Red Dwarf you saw? #124622
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    > There?s a certain vibe from what you see first that establishes what you?re seeing as ?This Is How This Thing Is?.

    Well I actually like Series III to V the most out of all the series’ run and feel that era is “true Red Dwarf”, but I’ve noticed that I seem to like Series VII a lot more than most people. I guess it’s partly true: my first introduction to Red Dwarf was as a comedy-drama (as opposed to a sitcom) so I was more open to the show being taken in that direction, even if it really was a sitcom in its foundation.

    That may be a reason why Series VIII is my least favourite – I think that if they were trying to go the comedy-drama route they should’ve stuck to it, rather than snap straight back to sitcom. It’s as if the show had a brief moment where it started evolving, and then suddenly diminished.

    in reply to: What was the first episode of Red Dwarf you saw? #124582
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    Ouroboros Xtended was the first one I saw. The last one was Meltdown.

    in reply to: I’m Batman #123546
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    I thought that was Superman.

    in reply to: I’m Batman #123668
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    Ah, the joys of mature, sensible conversation…

    in reply to: Misheard lines #123354
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    In “The Last Day”, Lister says “Is it anything to do with being stuck opposite Brigitte Nielson in a packed lift?” For some reason I thought this was a “pack-lift”, which I figured was another word for freight elevator. When I heard the “-ed” for the first time the sentence made much more sense.

    in reply to: *Remastered DVD Speculation Thread* #123449
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    Annettage of twat foot’s foaming Chloe?

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    > That was the original intention, was it not? From what I gather Only the Good would have had a second part called Earth which would have finally brought an end to the misery of the series.

    I got the impression that the “Only the Good” story, mirror universe and all, would’ve been part 1 and “Earth” would have been a different story about what happens after. I think they could have made a two-parter purely out of “Only the Good”.

    in reply to: Characters you had problems with #123244
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    > I?ve never liked ~, personally.

    Shoot me now.

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    I doubt keeping Norman would have changed anything, except perhaps that they’d keep doing those distress-call things at the beginnings of episodes. But Holly probably would have still been reduced, and written out for series VI.

    in reply to: Characters you had problems with #80009
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    Ah, but maybe Kryten is able to lie to fellow mechanoids but not to “superior life forms”.

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