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>surely someone sticking their penis in a lift door would just horrifically crush the penis and it’d be all nasty and destroyed?

Don’t most lift doors have those sensors that open them again if there’s any resistance? Although I’ll admit I’m not sure I’d offer up anyone’s penis in the name of testing the minimum amount of resistance required to trigger that sensor.

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>it feels like a wasted opportunity

You just described the whole of series VIII

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Thank you.

It’ll be interesting to see what Chibnall brings. Looking up his history, his Who/Torchwood episodes have been entirely fogettable middle of the series stuff.

Excluding Countrycide that is, that shit gave me nightmares for weeks.

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>Is this RTD-bashing … Is the Moffat-love …

I think for me, I get the feeling that a lot of people in general look back to RTD as being flawless and brilliant in bringing back Who. If anything the fandom in general seems to bash Moffat more. This thread, if anything has been about bashing them both equally.

RTD had some bloody awful episodes, which were cringy with ott wacky humour. Moffat had some bloody awful series long plots, which were over-clever, over-complicated and failed to deliver. The thing I find more disappointing is that Moffat era seems to have had more episodes that have been entirely forgettable. I’ve had to go look up some of the references in this thread as I couldn’t remember the eps. Has Moffat done more series than RTD?

However, comparing the bad points of the showrunners doesn’t deny that both absolutely had wonderful highs as well. It’s just more fun to pick at the scabby bits. :)

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Bugger. Should have refreshed.

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>I thought Petersen did get resurrected, but we just didn’t see him. They mention him being drunk when they first apprehend the crew of the crashed Starbug, don’t they?

Yup. I always figured Mark Williams was too busy dying his hair ginger to have time for RD.

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>Also, who would carry out the boob job? Would it be Kryten? Lister? Kochanski herself?

If I was relying on someone to program that thing to selectively turn my boobs back to their 18 year old selves, I sure as hell wouldn’t give it to Lister.

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I’ll throw myself in the ring as only ever being a casual Who fan. I was banned from watching it as a kid as Dad thought it was stupid back then (Peter Davidson? years) so I’ve only ever seen Who as an adult – a few Tom Baker classics way back when, on UK Gold and nuWho when it aired.

And yes, it was embarassing, childish, cringy rubbish some of the time. Farting aliens, sassy daleks, ‘ghostbusters’, weakest link, etc spring to mind.

I think the issue was that RTD equated ‘fun’ with ‘wacky’. Yes, Doctor Who needs to have fun in it, but wackiness always feels out of place when there’s death and destruction going on at the same time. It’s hard to feel any real peril for a central character when the deathly fate before her is a robot doing Anne Robinson impressions.

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I think Clara’s character building suffered from the impossible girl plotline. By necessity she had no back-story, no actual reason to travel with the Doctor, no character growth and all that in order to be ‘mysterious’. I always found the splinters in time resolution to that rather underwhelming, but at least afterwards she was able to develop as a character more naturally.

The extended leaving was a bore though. I was perfectly happy for her to die in that xmas special but then she dragged it out another series. Even then her death was a cop-out and she didn’t -really- die. Considering the amount of people that do die in Doctor Who that the companions are invulnerable and get a happy every after loophole every time. If anything, the companion that got the biggest shaft was Donna.

It’s a shame we only got one series of Bill really, would loved to have seen her travelling with the Doctor longer. Although I guess with a female Doctor we’d have gone back to having sexual tension again -_-

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>Also, fuck Epideme, the annoying little bastard.

Isn’t that the point? It’s trying to kill the crew, it’s not meant to be likeable.

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Huh, it never occured to me the audio book things would be voiced by the actual actors. I always figured they were people doing dodgy impressions. Guess that explains the price.

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He does have a website but … well. http://cvcg.co.uk/

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You know I’d never really considered how Kochanski must have been feeling, in VIII Doug just binned the idea of her missing her Dave and her previous life.

Kochanski doesn’t need much resolution. She’s out there, flying around in Blue Midget. It’s a better position than she’s been in previously, seeing as for the first six seasons she was dead.

Considering she chose to travel the abysmal emptiness of deep space on her own in something little larger than a caravan, over having to be in the same space on a 5 mile long ship with other people, she must have been pretty desperate to get out of there.

I guess really I should be grateful that she didn’t get pushed out an airlock. A happy resolution is too much to ask.

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I don’t think it’d be too hard to sort out Kochanski. She’s been exploring space to find a way back to her dimension and having found a way, she needs to use something on Red Dwarf to re-establish the link. She activates the homing beacon on blue midget and goes in to stasis until it catches up (which just happens to be the exact right amount of time that they’ve all aged appropriately). She arrives, sorts out the technical dodads, gets the link and goes home. Get the closure for the character and not have to have her back in the show.

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>Apparently David Tennant counts as two Doctors, because at the end of Series 4 he bled regenerative energy into a hand and essentially made a human clone of himself, thereby using up an incarnation. I absolutely hate this reading of that scene, and think it unnecessarily complicates things.

I thought that was a full regeneration, just that he kept the same face. 11 said he was having ‘vanity issues at the time’.

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Thank you for the ideas gentlemen. It looks like the classic ones are pricier than new who at about a fiver each, which is still too much for my pockets.

Hamish has come up trumps though – Norfolk library has a healthy collection of DVDs that I can get sent to my little bit of no-where. They appear to be mainly the Tom Baker years, so I guess I’ll start with him first.

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I’ve only seen a few bits and bobs of classic Who and would love to watch more but don’t really know how to go about it. Start with the first old guy? Tom Baker? Any of the others? It’s a rather overwhelming amount of material.

The other issue is actually getting hold if it, I’m too poor to buy DVDs and too paranoid to torrent. How do you actually get to see all this without breaking the bank?

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>Exactly. If only 9 was mentioned in BtE then it would be possible to consider it canon (just canon we’ll never see).

I’ve got ya now. I was reading your “if only” as a wish, rather than indicating exclusivity. However, that still precludes BtE from being referred to as 9 if you consider the events of BtE as canon.

Considering it was all a hallucination though, it would be fair to say that the actual contents of BtE is irrelevant and it’s still series 9, being after 8 and before 10.

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>sexual magnetism virus in Back in the Red,
yup, rapey

>and the penis in Pete,
just a sound effect and bits of string

>and the sex in Cassandra,
or the total lack of, which was rather the point

>and the sexual harassment in Krytie TV,
yup, awful

>and the incest in Only The Good
Sister Talia, spiritual advisor … that was the joke

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>This is the point, though, isn’t it? BTE contains dialogue that refers to a mythical series 9 that we haven’t seen and will never see. Then the show comes back for another series, and it’s not series 9, it’s series 10.

But BtE also refers to series 10?

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Imagine if Doug had only written in a reference to series 9 in BtE, and then carried on with 10, that would have been the most wonderfully meta thing about the whole story.

You mean like “That’s Dave Lister’s bath from season 9. Best season ever if you ask me. Awesome season, best by miles. You were in that remember, when Kyten ran in and told you that Kochanski had been sucked out of an airlock”

Strange that it’s season and not series though. When Lister read off the back of the box he says “Back to Earth. Takes place after series 10.” etc etc

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Show off.

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Bit older than Billy Joel.

“He whom the gods love dies young” Menander, greek playright, 300BC

The gods loving the talented, virtuous, heroic ‘good’ and wanted those mortals with them in the afterlife so took them young.

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Change the ampersand to a question mark.

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>The double polaroid definitely went over my head. Even now, how enormous must Kryten’s cock be for it to take up two pictures, and how strange does it look that it isn’t immediately obvious what the photograph is of from just one of them?

Men are generally -really- bad at taking photos of their dicks. Too close up, over-exposed, bad angles. If he’s holding the camera so close that he needs a double polaroid, it’s just going to look like a random veiny body part. Trust me on this one.

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I think we debated this fairly recently.

Huge cock / manky cock

I’d go for huge cock. The manky hygiene jokes are in the following shower scene.

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It never occurred to me that it would be anything other than a massive cock.

How many other dick jokes went over nine-year-old you’s head? Bodyswap and double polaroid spring to mind for a start.

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>City halls, 2000+ seats, 20 venues across the country, £1,000,000 for model shots and special effects.

“When I say a tour, I mean do a live show at the O2, so we need to get a schedule that works for the O2 and certainly for Red Dwarf XIII. Probably if we did a Red Dwarf XIII and XIV, it would make the O2 live show more difficult.”

He added: “So we’ll probably do Red Dwarf XIII, live show and come back and probably do XIV afterward that.”

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/877705/Red-Dwarf-season-13-start-date-cast-Red-Dwarf-XIII-UKTV-Lister

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I’ve ‘met’ Colin Baker a couple of times. He came to my primary school when he was the Doctor and I got a signed picture, but I was too little and my parents hated Dr Who so I had no idea who he was.

As an adult I donated blood and he was laying on the next bed doing likewise.

Red Dwarf related I did some contract work at the BBC and saw a whole bunch of people, including Craig Charles. I had to internalise my fangirl squealing though, as we’d been told that if we approached anyone for anything other than fixing their computer we’d get the sack.

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>violence is likely to be imitated by young viewers

Ah yes, like the spate of perforated eardrums across the country when kids went out copying the Tango advert and slapping their mates in the head.

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Well it was certainly senile Holly on Pointless tonight …

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>remembered the throwaway line excusing Holly’s initial absence in BtE

Huh, I’ve missed that. There’s so much not explained between 8 and BtE that I figured it was just one of those things.

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Casual fans had series 1-3 on ‘just the shows’
Normal fans had the individual DVDs
Die-hard fans already had both

Going back and trying to sell the same shows -again- with the remastered versions was only ever going to appeal to a small niche of completists.

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It’s the same paint mark on 5 & 6, the edge is just hidden behind the logo.

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Even on the original 8 it bugs me how they made 4 unique spines, then clearly went ‘fuck it’ and copy/pasted the spine in appropriate colours for the rest.

Shame the Dave ones can’t even line up the main logos though.

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>Bodysnatcher had a ridiculous RRP when it came out. £49.99.

I thought I remembered it being bloody expensive. Happen to remember the cost of the standard DVDs 1-8?

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In hindsight I should have curated that a little more before posting. I’ve not even watched the second disc of Spaced – only watched the first few shows and didn’t really ‘get’ it. I had to rummage through another box to find Beat the Geek, another disc that’s never been out the box.

I seem to be the only one leaving X and XI with their original covers. I didn’t like the way the pattern was repeating, BtE causes a break anyway, and I feel the Dave era -isn’t- the same as the original DVD releases so there’s no point in even attempting to be cohesive.

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I don’t have a shelf as I’m sorta homeless, but this is my box

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I didn’t bother as I didn’t see the value in the remastered versions of series I already had. I knew there was a lost episode in storyboard form (but not that it was narrated by Chris), but that didn’t justify the purchase price at the time.

I think it was more expensive than 1-8 as well?

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You can get region 4 version for £30 shipped from Australia if you’re not too fussy about regions and covers.

A UK version on ebay is generally looking at about £50 these days. They’re very few and far between though, in the year I spent looking for one I only saw about 3 go for sale. I only managed to get mine for £30 as I took a risk that a ‘slightly split’ disc would play OK.

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>it’d be like putting ‘HE’S A GHOST!’ on the front cover of that film. You know the one.

Ghost?

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What if you took three separate episodes plots and combined them into one?

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Reading through the Balance of Power review, it’s interesting to read about jokes that haven’t hit the mark with younger viewers.

The changing room saloon doors one resonated with my chubby teenager self, who hated them only fractionally less than the horror of communal changing rooms that were trendy at the time.

Likewise, the “parental advisory” sticker had just become a thing to much fanfare, so stepping it up to health warnings seemed totally right for the future.

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I thought he was a thread starting bot until I noticed he actually replied once.

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Pfft, come back when you’ve done it for Cat. And screengrabbed every one.

A whole bunch of those are publicity shots! Speaking of which, this one – http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/features/history/evolution-of-cats-costumes/cat3-2.jpg – looks … odd.

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I nearly did make a point that the BtE outfit was a terrible cut and fit, but considering colour was the main point that just seemed to be splitting hairs.

I think I actually like the series 3 outfits best. Having distinctly different sleeping, relaxing and working outfits seems more human than wearing the single same outfit 24 hours a day. Series 11/12 have at least bought back the PJs and dressing gown look, but tbh they don’t really -look- like PJs, just a blue shirt. There’s no real visual difference between them and the blue uniform.

It’s a shame, he clearly -can- change how he looks when the story demands it, so why keep him in one outfit all the time?

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Oh, I forgot to add that in Entangled when he switches to soft light, it’s a dodgy vis effect to make the blue suit look red. When he comes back out he’s blue again, but you see Chris give a little shimmy like he’s ‘changing back to hard light’. It was obviously too hard to put the red effect over him as he walked out the door so they left him blue and just randomly wiggling about.

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OK, you clearly needed someone with too much time on their hands, and that person is me!

Series 1
Uniform
Undies, Uniform
Uniform
Uniform
Uniform
Undies, Uniform, PJs, Clive of India

Series 2
Uniform, Clive of India
Uniform, Arthur Dent
Uniform, Variety of clothes in BTL (also in game doesn’t have H until “my brain’s rebelled” line
Uniform, PJs, Suit
Uniform, PJs, PE Uniform
Cycling Lycra, Uniform

Series 3
Shiny Green with HHGTTG, Hot pink glitter suit, Noel Coward
Shiny Greeen, Quilted Green jacket with HUGE RD logo
Green tshirt and braces, Shiny Green, Give Quiche A Chance
Shiny Green, Grey silk PJs, Lister clothes (white tshirt, black jacket), green tshirt + braces,
Shiny Green, Green tshirt + braces,
Green tshirt + braces, Black tie suit, Shiny Green

Series 4
Shiny Green
Shiny Green
Shiny Green, Mountain goatherd, Prision uniform
Shiny Green
Silk PJs + dressing gown, Shiny Green
Green tshirt + braces, Shiny Green, US General uniform

Series 5
Shiny Red, Towel, Holoship uniform
Green tshirt + braces, Shiny Green, Shiny Red
White robe/Loin cloth, Shiny Red (No H until they lift off from Psymoon)
Shiny Red, Gingham Dress (No H in King Potatoe People scene)
Shiny Red, High/Low outfits
Shiny Red

Series 6
Quilted Red
Quilted Red LEGION APPEARS Quilted Blue
Quilted Red in several scenes then ‘powers up hard light drive’, Quilted Blue
Quilted Blue
Quilted Blue (last week version Quilted Red)
Quilted Blue, Quilted Yellow

Series 7
Blue quited with black line, Brown coat
Blue quited with black line, Ace (no H?)
Flashback Blue RD uniform,
N/A
Blue quited with black line
N/A
N/A
N/A

Series 8
Ignored, as not a hologram

BtE
Shiny Blue

Series 10
Shiny Blue, Trojan uniform
Shiny Blue
Shiny Blue, Dusty robes
Shiny Blue, Parka jacker
Shiny Blue
Shiny blue

Series 11
Shiny Blue, Suit
Blue PJs + dressing gown, Shiny Blue
Shiny Blue
Shiny blue, Clive of India
Blue PJs + dressing gown, Shiny Blue
Shiny Blue, Operating scrubs, Artic jacket

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Urgh, I actually need to proof-read my actual posts when the actual edit button doesn’t actually work.

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