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I presumed it was because hair is always growing, his hair is younger than 21.

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I really don’t like that shirt. It just seems so weirdly meta and self-aware.

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Yes. Bored of the same blue outfit all the time.

I liked the mix & match aspect of III where he had t-shirts, shirts or jackets appropriate to the situation.

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I liked Can of Worms and really don’t know why people hate it so much.

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I always felt that Asclepius wasn’t used very well. There’s no build up to meeting him, then next scene he’s bazookered into bits. At least with Lanstrom there was some tension.

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I’ve always took it as finishing quickly, but being up for it again quickly and repeatedly.

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>“some neurotic droid who’s completely obsessed with my pants drawer!” to which kryten responds “you mean I’m not alone?” what does this mean?

I’ve always taken the joke to be:
– Kryten does not consider himself obsessed with her pants drawer
– He thinks he’s ‘alone’ in being the only droid on the ship
– “you mean I’m not alone” = ooh there’s another droid?!
– shame face = oh, you’re calling me neurotic and obsessed with pants :(

Question for the Americans though: how well does this translate that the whole issue is regarding underwear and not pants/trousers?

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Oh dear …

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>Good old http://www.red-rose.com/www.cobalt.demon.co.uk/alt.tv.red-dwarf/reflist-tv-255.html is there for all your reference-getting needs (up to December 1997).

It’s quite interesting reading through this. It’s astounding just how many general cultural references there are. It’s a wonder that foreign markets ‘get’ RD, considering how many jokes rely on having a minimal amount of UK knowledge.

Maybe that’s why 8 is popular overseas, it has more accessible broad jokes, rather than quips about Felicity Kendal’s bottom.

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I’ve always taken ‘stoke me a clipper’ as a malapropism. Nothing more complicated than Rimmer fucking up the line.

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Quite a lot of the 80s references missed me, even though I was alive at the time and first watched Dwarf as an adult. Think it’s mostly footballing stuff that passed me by, like Peter Beardsley.

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>a fair few episodes seem to end with one of the main characters getting tortured in some way or another, don’t they?

This is one reason I’ve never understood the upset over the end of Tikka. Violence between the guys isn’t new, especially when in Quarantine you see they’ve beaten the crap out of each other.

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>Well Toddhunter/Todd Hunter is perfectly understandable

I’m glad you say that, as I always thought it was Todd Hunter …

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Oh lol ok, guess I never understood that joke properly either then!

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It’s kinda sweet in a slight slash-fic way that in all these years and with a spaceship five miles long, it’s never occurred to them to have separate bedrooms.

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>are students of military academies known for being unconscious or something?

Fainting on parade. Lots of hot summers at that time so was a pretty common thing.

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>Why not Lily? Explain yourself, please.

Well, I pretty much thought the follow sentence did just that. The actors are integral to the show for me.

I’ve not read the books, listened to the audio books, read any magazines, or anything like that. I’m mildly curious about some of the different aspects of the books but not enough to actually bother buying and reading them. I’ve not even watched the story-boarded ‘lost’ episodes on the DVDs. I tried one of them but the ‘reading stage directions’ stuff really put me off.

Basically, I love the TV show. Just the TV show. Only the TV show. With these actors.

If the movie had ever happened and it was cast with different actors, I probably wouldn’t bother watching until it got to Netflix, and wouldn’t have liked it much even then.

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Nope. No interest at all.

It’s a character comedy and at this point the actors are as much a part of the characters as the script.

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I just presumed it was nicer because of rank. Officers get swish white rooms, third level technicians get plain grey ones.

Although as the bunk rooms have gotten bigger over the years they make increasingly less sense. Most people would prefer to have a smaller room privately, than an enormous room they have to share. The amount of space taken by the bunk-suite in XI/XII could be used by two double bedrooms quite easily.

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>Wait, how much did 6 pints of bitter cost in 1978? I just realised I may have been interpreting this joke all wrong ever since I first read it.

43p each, or £2.58 for the 6

The price of a pint from 1928-2015 in todays money

I’m a big fan of the BBC TV version, and it was always clear in that it was a generous tip.

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But alternative universe Holly bought back Lister to keep Kochanski sane. Was that because he’d be most annoying to her, or did they have a different relationship pre-accident?

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Skipped to 6 mins in and got a pedo joke … Think I’ll pass.

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Okay so I’ve never read the books as I presumed they were essentially novelizations of the shows.

But skimming this thread has me horrified enough to pique my interest.

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Wrong thread, but for a long time I heard that line as “you’re only one man” and thought it meant “how can a single person be such a massive pain in the arse”

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>But if that were the case, why wouldn’t they be wearing Holoship uniform? They are all wearing variants of Rimmer’s uniform.

Huh, yeah. Good point. I guess I only thought they were ex-holoship as they were ‘good’ crew. But I guess Dwarf must have had intelligent competent crew somewhere. We only saw Lister and his mates.

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I always presumed the Holoship interviews were with ex-Holoship crew. The ones that had been turned off when someone better had come along?

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Considering the light bee has clearly been upgraded at some point, to the level it could survive a 6 month trek across Roman Europe without a recharge … then yeah sure, it can project a separate piece of clothing.

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I doubt that the majority of the audience even remember the whole soft light / hard light thing. Even when he was soft there was a bunch of inappropriate touching of things anyway.

I preferred the earlier series when it comes to clothing. Both Rimmer and Lister had a naturally varied wardrobe. Casual comfy stuff for chilling in the bunks, jackets etc for going out and about in. Rimmer’s captain emerald outift had different levels of formality, with the t-shirt underneath, smooth jacket or big padded jacket for going out.

More recent stuff it’s like they’re cosplay of their own characters. Like we wouldn’t recognise them if Rimmer wasn’t in a blue tunic or Lister in a leather jacket. ALL THE TIME. I mean, only weird creepy people wear the same thing every day. Looking at you Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg.

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I don’t buy the whole colour coded soft/hard light thing. Other than being a convenient visual indication that something about him had changed, I don’t see any reason why he’s tied to that colour.

He’s always worn all manner of different outfits and uniforms when the occasional demands it, you can’t tell me that he can never wear red or green again.

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It’s interesting how it highlights the role of the character as a ‘viewer stand-in person that asks all the questions which I can’t remember what the proper name for is’.

I guess just like Holly got dropped due to the exposition role moving to Kryten, Cat didn’t have much to do in VIII as there was nothing that really needed an exposition prompt.

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I’d always presumed it was less a case of Dwarf being unusual in having productions problems, and more that they’re unusual in openly discussing them.

How many other sitcoms have 30+ minute in-depth documentaries on every series DVD? (That’s not a rhetorical question, genuinely asking.)

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>If this was Rimmerworld (where all our dreams come true),

…what?

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>It was a valid reference, just not one that worked very well in text.

Reference was on point. Worked fine.

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Subscribed for future reference. The length of the videos appeal to my limited attention span.

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>It’s kulfi ice cream.

I’m just copying shit from a script website.

In all honesty, I always thought he said coffee ice-cream, which confused me. Sounds nice, but hardly a common flavour.

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Considering the detail of the description of his meals in Tika, it’s looking pretty rice free.

LISTER
Thursday. Always the same meal: three poppadoms with mango chutney –
KRYTEN
Those little onions –
LISTER
Dill pickle –
KRYTEN
That day-glow green mint sauce that just doesn’t wash out –
LISTER
The red stuff that no-one knows what it is –
KRYTEN
Then a shami kebab starter –
LISTER
Followed by a chicken vindaloo, kamikaze hot, with a fire extinguisher on stand-by.
KRYTEN
And two scoops of kofi ice-cream.
LISTER
And two indigestion tablets. <LISTER sighs heavily>

Also … no naan.

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I had remembered there was a good discussion over the Hattie/Norm returning as Holly thing previously :)

However, I would presume Norman far more likely, as didn’t he ask to be in XI/XII but it was too late to write him in, hence just the Skipper appearance?

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All of those seem incredibly likely, except maybe the snacky one.

Not sure I’d exactly cheer for Norman to be back. I say Norm, as it’s always him coming back. No-one ever seems to consider Hattie and I’ve no idea if she even has any appetite for it.

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>In 2038, seventy-four year Craig Charles, still playing Lister? I’ll take a pass on that.

They can do the other side of Future Echos, from the old Lister perspective.

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I’d likewise always thought that the Lister/Mrs Rimmer sex hadn’t happened either. After all, no sign of the alphabetti spaghetti anywhere and I’m sure anything fun with that would end up being messy.

There’s nothing to say it was a male though. Cat’s polymorph had a batch of fertilised eggs ready to lay in a host, but that doesn’t mean all females are always carrying eggs.

As with many things Red Dwarf, it doesn’t do to pick at the logic too hard. If polymorphs ‘feed’ off of emotions, why do the crew get them back when it dies?

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>as if a band going out on tour is “a big fuck you” to everyone who can’t make those shows, therefore the band should just stick to making albums.

But a band touring perform songs that people have already have heard. It’s not like the entire set is completely new music that will never be heard again, other than a recording of one show.

>I’d say that porn is probably the clearest example where watching something performed live in a theatre full of strangers is really NOT preferable to watching a recorded version in private. The chance to shout out “he’s behind you!” just doesn’t make up for the downsides.

Lol yes, true. Maybe not the best analogy but it was the first thing that came to mind.

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Bloody hell you’ve got a good ear. I just had to flick between them several times to hear the difference. At first it just sounded like they’d muffled the line to make it more whispery.

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>Would you feel that way IF a live show DVD followed Lily?

Well I had presumed that there would be one, but guess I’m not a huge fan of filmed live shows.

It’s like watching porn; entertaining enough and you’re happy it exists, but you know it’s not a patch on experiencing the event yourself.

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I’m not opposed to multi parters in principle, it’s just unfortunate that the most well know are Back in the Red and Pete, which were both drawn out and padded well beyond what the plot could carry.

I’d say that Epideme/Nanarchy is an example of it done well. There was too much story for one episode, but enough was added to make it last two without feeling stretched.

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Probably a little unusual, but not entirely outside the scope of the norm.

1 – Holoship
2 – Justice
3 – White Hole
4 – Terrorform
5 – Me2
6 – Demons & Angels
7 – Dimension Jump
8 – The Inquisitor
9 – Back to Reality
10 – M-Corp
11 – Quarantine
12 – Psirens
13 – Kryten
14 – Cured
15 – Cassandra
16 – Marooned
17 – Better Than Life
18 – Give & Take
19 – Queeg
20 – Officer Rimmer
21 – Gunmen of the Apocalypse
22 – Fathers & Suns
23 – Legion
24 – Parallel Universe
25 – DNA
26 – Backwards
27 – Timeslides
28 – Trojan
29 – Emohawk: Polymorph II
30 – Samsara
31 – Meltdown
32 – Twentica
33 – Mechocracy
34 – The Beginning
35 – Future Echoes
36 – Camille
37 – Polymorph
38 – Skipper
39 – Balance of Power
40 – Tikka to Ride
41 – Siliconia
42 – Rimmerworld
43 – Thanks for the Memory
44 – Beyond a Joke
45 – Stasis Leak
46 – Lemons
47 – Stoke me a Clipper
48 – Out of Time
49 – The Last Day
50 – Can of Worms
51 – Krysis
52 – The End
53 – Bodyswap
54 – Confidence & Paranoia
55 – Timewave
56 – Epideme
57 – Nanarchy
58 – Back to Earth – Part 1
59 – Back to Earth – Part 2
60 – Back to Earth – Part 3
61 – Waiting for God
62 – Duct Soup
63 – Blue
64 – Ouroboros
65 – Dear Dave
66 – Entangled
67 – Only the Good…
68 – Back in the Red – Part 1
69 – Back in the Red – Part 2
70 – Back in the Red – Part 3
71 – Pete – Part 1
72 – Pete – Part 2
73 – Krytie TV

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Doing a live show seems such an odd idea to me. I’m sure it’ll be amazing for the hardcore fans that have the time and money to go to the 02 to see it, but it’s a big fuck you to everyone else.

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Worth the click for young Phillip Schofield alone.

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Unpopular opinion, but I never liked Chucklevision much. The older brother always gave me the creeps in a Jimmy Saville kinda way.

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>Given how it started, it’s impressive that this thread has somehow managed to get even *more* weird.

I wanted to ask if it was ever mentioned in the books if the Cat’s penis was barbed, like normal cats, but figured that was crossing the line.

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>Or he was taking a truly tiny lift or it’s secretly also a fat joke.

See this is where the whole setup for the joke didn’t even make sense to me. Considering most fat jokes are more along the lines of “he’s so fat he’s not seen his willy in years”, when I first heard the line I didn’t laugh, as I was thinking … what, so his penis is of such equine proportions that it sticks out even -further- than his gut?

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