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  • in reply to: 3D Printed and Build Starbug Models For Order #270240
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    It looks very good.  And all the snapping sounds are very satisfying in that video.

    in reply to: 3D Printed and Build Starbug Models For Sale #270239
    Me Own Stunts
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    So what is it?

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    > Yeah but he never tries to sexually assault her in the way that Lister does

    This doesn’t mean he fancies her any less.

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    Rhyl beach would have looked like paradise.

    in reply to: Craig Charles does some of his poetry 24/10/1983, BBC2 #235755
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    Even if that wheel was spinning in front of Craig’s face the whole time?

    in reply to: We say good things about the Dave-era #233878
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    > This thread is very close to turning into We Say Bad Things About the Dave Era.

    I know what you mean but it’s a mixture of balanced feelings on the Dave Era. A thread that rigidly shows only positive or negative feelings can be quite boring.

    in reply to: We say good things about the Dave-era #233872
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    The look of the classroom was never a problem to me. Why wouldn’t a learning environment in the future continue to look more or less like the classrooms we have today?

    I was personally grateful for all the additional environments we saw in ‘The Beginning’. Series 10 generally felt too cramped to me, and not in a good, Series 1 way. Series 1 showed us a wide variety of spaces inside the ship, making it feel as vast as we were told, while in series 10 Red Dwarf itself felt like a tiny ship because we mostly saw only the living space, which combined living room, kitchen and bedroom into one space, a drive room that resembled a tiny cockpit, and a tiny bit of corridor that they kept obviously redressing in unimaginative ways.

    So yeah, even on their own terms the classroom, the simulant ship and the model sequences all make The Beginning into a highlight of series 10 to me, not a weak link.

    in reply to: We say good things about the Dave-era #233862
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    > to be fair though, his actions in Out Of Time do affect his behaviour in VII. in Tikka To Ride he takes the whole time-travel venture rather seriously and is very responsible about it all- pointing out they shouldn’t use the time drive again, quietly reprimanding Lister when he messes up the timelines etc. he feels like a much more serious and leader-ey Rimmer than before in VII.

    I feel like that was because the writers and Chris Barrie had respectively forgotten how to write and perform Rimmer, not because of a conscious decision to build on the series 6 cliffhanger. Plus Barrie was doing a more ‘dramatic’ performance due to the single camera / lack of live audience set-up.

    In fact the Tikka to Ride resolution to the cliffhanger completely ignores Rimmer’s involvement in it. They don’t say “Rimmer did something that resulted in us being saved”; they say “our future selves killed us”. This is why I was so disappointed by the first scenes of series 7 – I felt Doug had completely misunderstood what the Out of Time cliffhanger was about. For me the cliffhanger wasn’t about how the crew were still alive – I was completely expecting this to be hand-waved. I was interested in what the cliffhanger would mean for Rimmer’s future. And this was ignored, but with very little extra effort they could have built on that cliffhanger properly and made the transition into Ace a part of that.

    in reply to: We say good things about the Dave-era #233861
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    I’ve said it before, but giving Rimmer brave moments at the end of a series is akin to the way Scrooge becomes a more generous person by the end of A Christmas Carol. It creates a feel-good ending, but it can’t really be followed up satisfyingly because nobody wants to see the ongoing adventures of brave Rimmer or generous Scrooge. But also nobody wants to see a sequel where Scrooge reverts back to being miserly. It creates an ‘end’, not a tantalising tease for what will happen next.

    Which is why I think it would have been interesting at the start of series 11 to explore Rimmer’s misplaced notion that being more like Lister might make him happier.

    Character stuff.

    in reply to: We say good things about the Dave-era #233859
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    Regarding Rimmer’s revelation in The Beginning, I think some character interest could have been derived from Rimmer attempting to self-identify as working class, and Lister rejecting that (in the same way he rejected Kryten’s dishonesty about being a true human in DNA). That would have been interesting because we’d have seen that actually Rimmer *does* silently and begrudgingly respect Lister in certain ways (his authenticity and his happiness), as briefly witnessed in Thanks For The Memory. And we would have seen that Rimmer’s neuroses can’t be magically erased just by understanding his biological father wasn’t Lecturer Rimmer.

    The main problem I had with the end of series 10 is that, along with the end of series 6, it shows that there’s some desire from the writer(s) to push Rimmer towards bravery, albeit briefly, just to see what happens to him. But then in both instances it’s also obvious that there’s no depth to the tease. The best development should have been in series 7, where they could have linked Rimmer saving the crew in Out of Time to his decision to take on the mantle of Ace. But instead they buried the former strand, and the latter came out of nowhere.

    I suspect there will be at least one more moment of Rimmer needing to discover his potential courage, selflessness and bravery, but it’s clear that there’s no natural step after this that Doug wants to commit to. Not that he particularly should, of course, but it means we’re slightly within Simpsons character-stasis territory whenever he ignores it entirely.

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    Sorry Ian; I don’t know the reference.

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    Accepting that continuing the collaboration with Grant would have resulted in completely different stories rather than the same episodes with slightly different content, there’s nevertheless a strong chance that an eighth series would have had the Red Dwarf crew returning to Red Dwarf, and found it populated by the old now-alive crew.

    Where I think Grant would have differed would have been the idea of putting our crew into prison. Grant would have seen the obvious idea as the better one. Instead of a prison, put Lister back into the routines of the established Red Dwarf hierarchy, along with all the menial chores he had to do before the crew were wiped out. An infinitely more exciting idea. Rimmer would have been like the Me2 alternate version, not the pantomime Rimmer of series 8. And the rest of the crew would have been separated from Lister for longer, leaving him with only Rimmer for company. Kryten with his corrupted files repaired and put to cleaning toilets, but again without all the shitty pantomime and immediate restoration. Cat put into stasis or something.

    Grant and Naylor both spoke of their regret that they never really explored the world of Red Dwarf before the crew was wiped out. The obvious opportunity of series 8 to rectify this would have been taken if Grant had been involved.

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    Kochanski probably wouldn’t have been brought into series 7 for a start. Any other member of the dead Red Dwarf crew could have taken Rimmer’s place without creating the complex issue of Lister having his ideal woman right there. For the narrative purposes of series 7 and 8, Lister simply needed a female he vaguely fancied.

    No Kochanski means no shrieking series 7 Kryten. Another issue solved.

    Rob Grant means fewer crap jokes would have got into the episodes, as well as stories built on stronger ideas in the first place.

    Just better, really.

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    > And I swear I heard it in Bottom.

    One Foot in the Grave too, I think.

    in reply to: I would like another 'Back to Earth' style mini-series #230895
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    > or i’m misremembering and it’s just a crap joke, i don’t know

    It’s that. Any number of things could have shown how the crew had drifted apart more over the years. The ironing sneezes scene doesn’t even do this particularly well, but it’s also painfully convoluted as a joke and performed very poorly. Craig Charles doing his cheeky “Am I pissing Rimmer off yet lol?” face, and Chris Barrie doing his “Urgh disgusting!” face are amongst the least realistic bits of acting in Back to Earth, probably only beaten to worst place by Kryten doing his “What are we going to do?” call-back to “You’re lying!” in the shop later. But the former examples stand out because they are in the first scene of the episode, which we were scrutinising especially closely because it was the first new Dwarf we’d seen in a decade.

    in reply to: I would like another 'Back to Earth' style mini-series #230891
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    > testicle/tentacle

    Blimey, really? I noticed that ‘testicle’ and ‘tentacle’ sounded vaguely similar when I was eight years old, and I couldn’t believe Doug Naylor thought it would sound fresh to any grown ups watching.

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    > Is it fair to say the VIII audience are “sycophantic or raucous”? I imagine that any live audience sitcom seems funnier if you’re in the audience for it, and that that’s especially true of Red Dwarf.

    Yes, they are sycophantic and raucous in series VIII. This is compared to previous series of Red Dwarf, so it’s not a criticism of sitcom audiences more generally.

    The problem might lie with the direction. Compare it with what Andy De Emmony said about Emohawk: Polymorph 2 in the series VI documentary, when he was discussing how Dwayne and Ace’s entrances originally got ridiculously over the top reactions from the audience. De Emmony was concerned about how such a response would play to audiences at home, so he got the actors to retake their entrances until the audience reaction was more muted. This was the correct thing to do.

    For series VIII, it seems no such care was taken, and what you get is the audience delighted to be watching the show live, which is fair enough, but their response is far too raucous and this feeds into how the actors perform. The cast start overegging everything and making their performances too big for telly, and the whole thing plays like Bottom Live or some other show that’s intended for a large theatre audience rather than television cameras. You end up with something that was probably wonderful on the night, but is unwatchable in the format that it was being made for.

    in reply to: I would like another 'Back to Earth' style mini-series #230880
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    Ever since first broadcast I found it immeasurably better than series VIII, too. It was a relief that VIII wasn’t the last ever Red Dwarf anymore.

    in reply to: I would like another 'Back to Earth' style mini-series #230879
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    I never hated Back to Earth, but it is flawed. It edges further towards drama than series VII, which seems a lot less comfortable in its skin, but still suffers from strange jokes being shoehorned in like the tomato sneezes stuff at the start of episode 1. At times it’s as if Doug would be happier writing more dramatic stuff, then panics when he remembers he’s supposed to be doing a comedy. All in all I think post-Rob Red Dwarf would benefit from more confidently losing the need for a gag every 30 seconds.

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    Here you are: https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/news/3069/red_dwarf_series_13/

    Also discussed is the suggestion that they are doing series 13 rather than both 13 and 14 because they want to do a live show at the O2 in between. For an idea of what Red Dwarf will be like when overacted for the sake of a sycophantic, raucous audience, please refer to series VIII.

    in reply to: Is Justice a deliberate retcon…or is Kryten lying? #230856
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    > But you’d have thought he at least subliminally knew as he had the idea to put them in wigs.

    Maybe Kryten thought when they had become skeletons that they had just ‘gone grey’.

    in reply to: Can someone tell me why Chris doesn't like this font? #230851
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    Brexit Britain’s version of Esperanto.

    in reply to: Can someone tell me why Chris doesn't like this font? #230842
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    > Interesting how he had things to say about the quality of the writing in VI but not VIII. Arguably VIII is more original since I think his gripe with VI was the recycled material/running gags.

    According to Doug in the series VII documentary, Chris Barrie wanted to leave after series VI because he couldn’t be arsed with all the effects shooting in Red Dwarf anymore, and wanted to enjoy more straightforward sitcom work like Brittas. Which would explain his preference for series VIII too, since it’s basically just a cheap and simple CBBC show isn’t it, set in the corridors of a LOLwacky!!!1 spaceship.

    That said – everyone on the documentary for series VIII apart from Norman Lovett seems to think it’s a brilliant series. Robert Llewellyn calling it “distilled Dwarf” and all that. Doug Naylor, who was racked with anguish about the rubbery crocodile in ‘Stoke Me A Clipper’, seemingly had no problem whatsoever with the rubber and CGI dinosaur work in ‘Pete’. And nobody seemed to notice that the writing was utter guff (only that they ran over-length), or regret their decision to play all their characters with exaggerated cartoony movements and constant gurning.

    It’s worth looking again at Chris Barrie’s contribution to the series VII commentaries, where he sits in during episodes in which he only appears briefly. In a nutshell: when he’s not a part of what’s going on, nothing seems to interest him. At first you think he’s criticising the quality of the writing, but then you realise he’s just not fussed about scenes and stories that lack his contribution.

    in reply to: Can someone tell me why Chris doesn't like this font? #230839
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    Quite why the overarching shitness of series 8 passed him by I don’t know, however.

    in reply to: Can someone tell me why Chris doesn't like this font? #230838
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    I think Chris Barrie doesn’t like the series 8 font because it is shit? That’d be my guess anyway.

    in reply to: Is Justice a deliberate retcon…or is Kryten lying? #230704
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    > The captain was Dennis the donut boy, after all.

    Nope.

    Wasn’t.

    Me Own Stunts
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    > there have been at least two ever since the ship was introduced.

    I’ve never doubted this. The presence of the number 1 and 2 on various model shots also conveyed that there were at least 2. I just never imagined that there was a much more vast supply, and that whenever they crashed a Starbug they simply abandoned it, got another Starbug off the rack and painted that replacement with STARBUG 1.

    I think I just prefer the sense of continuity of them using mostly one Starbug, and that when it crashed they restored and repaired it offscreen. It’s not a big deal, but it’s what I assumed and took for granted. When there were loads of Starbugs and Blue Midgets at the end of series 8 I put it down to series 8 being shit.

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    > it feels like they’re leaving them behind.

    It never even crossed my mind that they were doing anything other than constantly reusing the same Starbug, repairing it offscreen when necessary.

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    > Off the top of my head there’s Backwards, Marooned, Bodyswap, Terrorform, Out Of Time, Back In The Red Part One…

    I thought we were seeing the same Starbug crashing each time, not new ones. There’s even a line about it crashing more times than a ZX81.

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    > I’m not sure what’s worse about “rat-arsed”; the idea, the shit CGI, Norm’s delivery of the line or the reaction of the studio audience.

    A little of each. For me I just don’t think “rat-arsed” is a very Holly-esque way of saying “drunk”. As with much of series 8 it doesn’t feel like the comedy is coming from the characters as it should; rather the characters are morphing around contrived scenarios that Doug deems to be hilarious.

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    I personally don’t think it matters much if Holly doesn’t have many lines or direct involvement in the story. Others will disagree but for me what matters is the sense of this vast ship with Holly as an ever-present background ambience. Just having Holly there on background monitors reacting would be enough.

    in reply to: PLUG: A new podcast about movies about toys #229888
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    The Joel Schumacher ‘Batman and Robin’ movie is essentially a toy commercial.

    in reply to: Misheard lines #228900
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    And imagine if in Porridge it turned out that Fletcher was his own Dad, but nobody seemed to mind because they had one good scene together in an episode with all racist vending machines.

    in reply to: Misheard lines #228897
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    >I get that it effectively de-ages the universe because the alignment brackets were misaligned, meaning that it casts its beams outward rather than inward

    I’d quite like to know how the misaligned beams somehow had enough range to cover every atom in the entire universe.

    in reply to: Misheard lines #228896
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    > they explain in Tikka Xtended that they can’t use the time drive to go back to Earth 3 million years ago as they might end up causing another paradox or messing up history, with Lister promising to Rimmer that his timejump to 3 weeks ago to get the ship’s curry back will be the last time they use it.

    This doesn’t solve it though. Their single problem with the events of ‘Tikka to Ride’ was the damage they inflicted on the history that should result in Red Dwarf being in space.

    They’d cause no problems whatsoever going back to a century that was after the accident happened on the Red Dwarf ship, but before the human race became extinct.

    The question is how they justify pissing around in deep space 3 million years into the future, when they actually don’t need to and are constantly complaining about how sick they are of each other’s company. All that time in the empty vacuum of space looking for planets and moons for supplies, hoping they might run into other individuals who aren’t hostile… well just use the time drive, mate.

    in reply to: Misheard lines #228892
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    > But the (admittedly slightly poetic) point being made by the story is that the time loop creates a new chronology that goes round and round forever, with Lister’s bloodline never ending as his family continues to give birth to descendents for an infinite amount of time.

    Am I the only one who hates the idea that Lister is somehow <i>infinitely inbred</i>? This is why I can never like the ‘father’s day’ plot strand in Fathers and Suns. It’s an idea that should have been instantly dropped after series 7, and a new continuity quickly established in its place (they’ve retconned enough other things to get away with this) rather than brought back for series 10.

    Inevitably when a show reaches something like its seventh or eighth series it starts eating at its own past. Series 7 was at that point in Red Dwarf history when it had already done the slightly repetitive, formulaic series (series 6) so aimed at more ambitious ideas to keep itself fresh. It would have been so lovely for Lister to have just had an ordinary mother and father, and just been an ordinary bloke who was pulled into a science fiction world. But no, his own birth had to be science-fictionised and now he’s infinitely inbred. Urgh!

    in reply to: Misheard lines #228775
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    Ouroboros:

    “With us going round and round in time, the human race can never become extinct. We’re like a kind of holding pan.”

    in reply to: Skipper (lost opportunity) #228659
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    Would it really have cost very much to remove the colour from Rimmer for a ten second segment?

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    Has Red Dwarf really run into more problems than most other shows? Or do we just know about its problems more than other shows because the DVD documentaries/commentaries are so extensive and candid?

    in reply to: Familiar sound effects used in Red Dwarf? #226579
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    The skutter clapping in Back to Earth uses the sound of the Cyberman head moving around in the series 5 Doctor Who finale.

    in reply to: Does everyone else's Red Dwarf XII DVD play properly? #226489
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    Thanks folks. I’ve decided to get a replacement on Amazon. Just baffled that the disc isn’t visibly scratched or anything, yet struggles to play. Anyway, the process is begun and now I have to return it to them.

    Happy New Year!

    in reply to: So what do you think we'll be getting for the 30th? #226477
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    >but 2018 is fifty-two weeks long

    Not all of it.

    in reply to: Does everyone else's Red Dwarf XII DVD play properly? #226476
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    If I don’t get much of a response over this week I’ll assume it’s because everyone else’s DVDs are playing normally.

    The reason I’m asking is that if it’s a widespread encoding error, a replacement from amazon won’t make a difference until the problem is addressed.

    in reply to: Only The Good Is Alright #225758
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    The *only* good thing to come out of ‘Only The Good’ is Mac McDonald’s joke in the series VIII documentary that he could play the violin with his left hand in the mirror universe, because that is the opposite of not being able to play the violin.

    in reply to: Thoughts on the Series XII Flipside Cover? #225520
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    I keep my Red Dwarf DVDs in one of those album-style cases that hold around 60 discs. They currently share that space with my Quantum Leap DVDs.

    In other news, none of the reversible covers have ever done anything for me. They lack a silvered logo, for example.

    in reply to: Only The Good Is Alright #225296
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    Only the Good is not alright. It is deeply shit.

    /thread

    in reply to: Red Dwarf poised to return for another series on Dave #225164
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    The closest I want to get to a Red Dwarf stage show is Series VIII. That series has all the hallmarks of something like Bottom Live: overegged performances that seem to be pitched more for the live audience than the viewers at home, and a raucous, sycophantic audience cheering and clapping.

    in reply to: Idea for an episode. #225117
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    Suddenly there are teeth and they go shopping.

    in reply to: Let’s Talk About Red Dwarf XII: The Game #224968
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    I’m glad that my iPhone isn’t one of the newer ones that knows when you’re looking at the screen. I like the perks of ‘watch video’ (of an advert for a random app) without having to actually watch any of them.

    in reply to: Hour Long Dwarf? #224560
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    Happy for episodes to be as long as necessary to tell a story, so they don’t feel too rushed or stop suddenly. Good episodes have enough breathing time. There’s a danger though that without the half hour restriction, Doug will turn out flabby scripts again like Back in the Red and Pete.

    The argument I would make for flexible running times is that shown on Dave with an advert break, there’s no specific reason why 30 minutes should be used, apart from tradition. As a standard on advert channels you’d get a show that was either 30 or 60 minutes *with* adverts, not 35 minutes with them included. It seems there’s a lot of flexibility around scheduling in that regard, which means episodes could be as long as Doug wanted, presuming it didn’t cost more to do this.

    in reply to: XII on disc (UK) #224559
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    Okay, that didn’t work. It was a spine-ready image of Ziggy, anyway.

    in reply to: XII on disc (UK) #224558
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    in reply to: A thought occurred last night about Series VIII and its sets #224556
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    Series XII makes the ship feel more spacious than Series VIII. In Series VIII you get things like the warehouse where the dinosaur walks around, but it doesn’t feel like the inside of the ship, it feels like somewhere else entirely. There’s less coherence there. Series XII feels very coherent and it’s brilliant at subtle things like reusing corridors in a way that you don’t notice.

    in reply to: XII on disc (UK) #224365
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    > Rundown of the XI extras

    We probably don’t need to speculate about the Red Dwarf XI DVD release anymore, though.

    in reply to: Not Another Back in the Red Fanedit #223368
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    I’m so sorry because I do respect the effort of trying to fix Series VIII. I’m not trying to be a cunt, but I need to be honest. I am criticising Series VIII, not KyoSo.

    in reply to: Not Another Back in the Red Fanedit #223367
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    (It’s almost as if Series VIII has no comedic or narrative worth whatsoever.)

    in reply to: Not Another Back in the Red Fanedit #223366
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    “but then the scene would be incredibly short and feel rather pointless.”

    It’s a pointless scene already. May as well get it over with, no?

    I’ve just sat through Kryten re-corrupting his files through the profundity of ambivalence again, so I’m not in the most generous of moods. That needs to be cut as well.

    in reply to: Not Another Back in the Red Fanedit #223364
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    If I was editing this, I would be removing more instances of screws going deep into the ground.

    in reply to: Not Another Back in the Red Fanedit #223363
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    “Comment – I don’t particularly like the overly cartoonish joke about The Cat having a “cool” heartbeat, but I feel we need to see where he ended up after they were arrested.”

    Solution: Cut the scene after “Those are his nipples, Frank”. Narratively, no more is needed than that.

    in reply to: Not Another Back in the Red Fanedit #223359
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    “The Time Wand scene would be SO much better (or less shite) if they’d done it with clever editing, rather than having the actors do it”

    This is like trying to pluck the dog shit from a vast dog shit that has had a thin layer of icing sugar sprinkled on top.

    If you love icing sugar so much just have some icing sugar. That’s what I say.

    in reply to: Dwarfcasts XII #221954
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    What’s the big deal about having three separate onions? I eat specifically three separate onions all the time.

    in reply to: The Entire Saga #221953
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    Cassandra only seems watchable when it’s viewed in sequence after the first few episodes of Series 8, where it stands out and even gives you hope that the rest of Series 8 isn’t as bad as you remembered. Taken without that context it’s a horrible episode, with pantomime gurning, Series 8 lobotomised characters, and illogical plotting galore. Urgh. Hate it.

    in reply to: Dwarfcasts XII #221875
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    But I like the shit bits. :(

    in reply to: Please view this thread to read title. #221864
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    > two other people have anything they

    Looking for an acronym to repeat the CLITORIS gag, I can only find TOPHAT which is not rude enough; sorry.

    in reply to: Camille's Condition #221863
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    Yes, exactly. The “condition” would be whatever it is that impulsively turns Camille into a slave of other people’s desires, although presumably that’s what a Pleasure GELF is designed for. Camille and her husband have probably labelled it a “condition” as part of a process of breaking her from her genetic programming.

    in reply to: Red Dwarf current logo recreation #221763
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    Why are there “examples of the logo in action” for series other than Series 12? And what’s the difference between, say, the “Season 1” version of the Series 12 logo and the “Season 8” version of the Series 12 logo? I am so confused.

    in reply to: New, mildly spoilery XII synopses copy-and-pasted within #221750
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    So I’m presuming M-Corp is the one where they upgrade to iOS 11 and realise their devices can’t play 32-bit apps like the Monkey Island 1 and 2 Special Editions anymore, even though they paid for them with their own money.

    in reply to: 'Jump The Shark' – Guardian article #221569
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    There’s also the fact that Irene is the first real human they’ve come into contact with for ages. Even taking into account the shamelessly unfiltered guff that was Series 8, encountering real human beings is rare and this should be an ethical crew that cares about other humans. Instead we see Rimmer doing his “ah Bisto” face when his own brother dies, and Lister and Rimmer both deciding to not even try rescuing Irene when she’s sucked out of an airlock.

    I’d like to think Lister would quickly put on a spacesuit and do his best to save Irene, not give up the second the airlock door reseals. Would he give up just as quickly if it had been Kochanski? No, of course not. So he shouldn’t have done it here.

    in reply to: Do you know who the Series 8 Rimmer is? #221524
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    The prison subplot was entirely unneeded too. How much more interesting it would have been for Lister to have been forced back into the Red Dwarf hierarchy after years of adventure, nobody believing a word of what he says, a metaphorical prison rather than a literal one. It would have been the writers’ opportunity to explore the pre-accident crew in a way they regretted never doing, as well.

    in reply to: 'Jump The Shark' – Guardian article #221499
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    > Either way Chris has been quite open about the fact, making reference to it in the recent documentary. You seem to be taking it a bit more personally than perhaps he would?

    I only said the word “cunt” mate. You’re acting like something important has happened.

    in reply to: 'Jump The Shark' – Guardian article #221494
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    > Any need to use such derogatory language ‘Me Own Stunts’?

    Depends what you think of jokes about receding hairlines, I suppose.

    in reply to: Do you know who the Series 8 Rimmer is? #221492
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    I didn’t say “high drama”. It’s a combination of the music and the understandable assumption after the more filmic Series 7 that Naylor would continue pushing Red Dwarf in that direction.

    And I’m talking about before we’d seen Series 8. When you’ve already seen the series and you know the scenes that all the clips are from, you’re bound to have a different reaction.

    in reply to: 'Jump The Shark' – Guardian article #221486
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    > But, with the chances of matching its imperial phase receding faster than Chris Barrie’s hairline

    LOL RECEDING HAIRLINES!!!

    Cunt.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221474
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    > Can VIII not be Red Dwarf instead?

    Only if you also lose Series 6 and 7. Them’s the rules.

    in reply to: Do you know who the Series 8 Rimmer is? #221473
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    The trailer gives the sense that it’ll be dramatic and exciting, though. Especially (perhaps only) when you haven’t actually seen Series 8 yet.

    It’s logical to presume from the trailer that Series 8 will build on the dramatic elements of Series 7, but with a live audience there to make the performances less dull, and writing that’s sharper due to Naylor’s revisiting of Series 1-3.

    It was definitely a shock in 1999 to go from expectations created by the trailer to Series 8 itself – the insanely raucous audience, and performances that are pitched more for a Bottom Live theatre type of audience than a television audience.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221454
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    > Hang on. Do people really think series X is named X because IX is meant to be the lost series, and not because Back to Earth *is* IX? Even if you consider the director’s cut the definitive version of BTE, it was originally broadcast as a series of three episodes, and it was the ninth one, so it’s series IX. Doug has stated that BTE isn’t Red Dwarf, mind you, but this lost series thing is bollocks, surely?

    I was personally clarifying that if we had no Series 6, 7 and 8 in the 90s, a special made in 2009 with, at first, a name rather than a series number, would retrospectively be considered Series 6, with the current Series 10, 11 and 12 (although they would differ from the “current” versions for reasons already outlined in posts above) being Series 7, 8 and 9 respectively.

    in reply to: Do you know who the Series 8 Rimmer is? #221447
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    If you are watching Series 8 immediately after Series 7, you should build your hopes up first with the Star Wars parody trailer for Series 8 that makes it look good. Tell yourself “Chris Barrie is back, Norman Lovett is back, the studio audience is back, and Doug Naylor has spent a lot of time studying the first three series for the Remastered project, so the characterisation will be spot on. What could possibly go wrong?”

    in reply to: Do you know who the Series 8 Rimmer is? #221443
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    I do know what you mean. I think that’s because the technology didn’t exist in the late 1980s to make all the characters into broad, pantomimic stereotypes.

    in reply to: Do you know who the Series 8 Rimmer is? #221440
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    Ah yes, I was drunk when I started this thread, but I wanted to make the Series 8 and Me2 connection; Series 8 gives us a ‘rebooted’ Rimmer that we didn’t get at the end of Me2. In the first series, the message was that Rimmer progressed with the Red Dwarf team and softened into a more likeable character. The rebooted version of Rimmer was deleted and we moved on from there. It’s weird to think that without a gap of several years – let’s say if Series 9 had come out a couple of years after Series 8 – we’d probably have been left with the rebooted Series 8 Rimmer forever. It wouldn’t have felt right.

    Just an observation, not an interesting one.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221374
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    “I love Revolution #9, it’s one of the best things on the White Album. So ner.”

    I thought that said “so far”, which I liked. I like the idea of the White Album being a process.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221356
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    When I say “that’s where I got off”, I meant it like “that’s where I got off a horse”.

    I hope that clears that up.

    (This post was sponsored by Kleenex.)

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221355
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    I just never know how to take Helter Skelter. It feels like it wants to be a parody, but also more like it just doesn’t understand what it’s doing. Like a new certain type of music was emerging so Paul McCartney thought “eh up, I’ll do my one of that and show them I can do it just as well”. It feels very self-conscious.

    A lot of “feels like”, basically.

    I’ve already covered Tikka in previous posts. Doug forgot what the cliffhanger of series 6 actually was; that’s where I got off. Also it was where the quick-one-liners model of series 6 started to fall apart. They have to be funny. If they’re not funny, you start to notice the humour isn’t coming from the characters and their situation anymore.

    If you’d like to hear more of this particular drunken trajectory, press ‘red’ now.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221353
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    “If we’re just arbitrarily making up rules then can I be in the no-Brexit, no-Trump universe where Victoria Wood is still alive and making a new series of Dinnerladies?”

    Having Rob Grant onboard for post-series 5 Red Dwarf isn’t arbitrary! I had it in my mind to include it in my original post but I forgot to put it in.

    I’m trying to tempt people over to my alternate universe, alright, and I promise it isn’t as shit as the one where Captain Hollister could play the violin with his left arm because doing that was the opposite of not being able to play the violin.

    I promise it is not the same as that.

    Well alright it is the same as that but Series 8 wasn’t a documentary.

    Alright then it was.

    If you think this has crap comedy timing, blame whoever decided on the maximum one line between paragraphs rule.

    Thank you.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221350
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    “Revolution 9 is great. Dad played it to me when I was 10 or 11, totally changed my perspective on music.”

    (notice I have abandoned trying to use the blockquote thing that MADE MY POST GO WRONG EARLIER SO THAT NOBODY READ IT)

    I agree that Revolution 9 is great, but most people don’t love to hear the whole track when they’re listening to the White Album. Usually I am in the mood for it once Cry Baby Cry has ended, because you get used to a certain track sequence don’t you. Personally I’m more likely to skip ‘Helter Skelter’ or ‘Birthday’.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221345
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    Well, I did say “most people”.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221339
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    No it was most people who listen to The White Album.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221305
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    The pilot would have been a successful pilot with components that worked (at least enough for the show to go to series). There’s nothing in my premise stating that Jane Leeves and Linwood Boomer would have been tied up with Red Dwarf, as we don’t know what differences made the pilot successful, but it’s a gamble.

    I forgot to mention the Rob Grant factor though, and somebody above brought it up so I should clarify.

    In the alternate reality, Rob Grant never formally left Red Dwarf UK. He probably would have ultimately tired of the US version but who knows. Anyway because the UK show never had “post-Grant” period (which he has said he couldn’t really engage with, likening them to seeing your ex-wife out and about with another man), the opportunity in 2009 to make a 21st anniversary special may have appealed to him.

    So yes, Back to Earth and then series 7, 8 and 9 (thanks for correcting that earlier, Dave Wallace) could have all involved Rob Grant, at least until he’d had enough.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221299
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    Just imagine the first chunk being a reply to “We’d also lose Fathers and Suns” and the bit that’s in a quotation box being a reply to “as well as having to go through ever-more-increasing workarounds to account for Rimmer still being soft-light throughout all the recent series”.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221298
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    Arrgh what happened to that post?? I thought I was quoting Seb and it ended up like that.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221297
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    This is true, but for me only the scene with Lister playing back the footage of his ‘Dad’ matters to me, and it’s nevertheless polyfilla over the horrible crack of Lister not only being his own Dad, but his own Grandfather, Great Grandfather and so on to infinity. He is infinitely inbred; an idea I entirely hate.

    It would have been lovely if Lister had just had ordinary parents who’d abandoned him rather than a science fiction background. That’s what we had before Series 7 started looking inwards for what to do next. A show that runs for several series runs the risk of becoming stale and formulaic, and around this time they sometimes start to look inwards for ideas to reincorporate and put surprising spins on. Eureka – Lister’s parents were never explained so let’s have him be his own Dad in a surprising time-loop twist! I hate it, and after it had emerged in Series 7 I didn’t appreciate them going back to it in Series 10, albeit for one good scene.

    So yeah I don’t mind that subplot going from Series 10.

    I actually wish Rimmer had stayed soft-light anyway. It was good for Legion, and it was perhaps necessary to make Rimmerworld work, but I can’t really think of anything in Series 10 that absolutely needed Rimmer to be hard-light (a few things, but not in the sense of enormous workarounds). It’s just more convenient for the writers (as well as Chris Barrie and the prop team) to allow Rimmer to touch stuff. But for me Rimmer was so much more effective when he couldn’t do things his own way without the assistance of Lister, Cat and Kryten. So officious yet depended on the cooperation of people he struggled to have any respect for and vice versa. It added so well to his layers of neuroses, and I always felt that once he became hard-light a lot of his character was lost. I think in the back of my mind there was the sense he only really stayed hard-light to make it easier for everyone producing the show, as well, which rankled a bit.

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221271
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    Blimey, somebody who thinks BOTH CHEEKS MAN is good.

    I never thought I’d live to see the day!

    in reply to: "There wouldn't have been a Series 6, 7 or 8…" #221268
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    Red Dwarf USA could be as good as early Simpsons for all you know. You absolutely certain you won’t take the gamble?

    Don’t be so anxious; at the very worst you’ll only be trapped in an alternate dimension forever.

    in reply to: Will we get commentaries on the Red Dwarf XII DVD? #221215
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    What more could a special edition X-XII release include though, apart from commentaries?

    I agree that sometimes a bit of time needs to pass for the extra material to be interesting, but the series 8 commentary is a prime example of pretty much everyone in the cast laughing along to something that was patently unfunny. And hardly anyone was candid in that series’ documentary ‘The Tank’, either. Naylor was full of disappointment for the rubber crocodile in series 7, but seemingly not bothered at all by the absurdly fake CGI dinosaur in ‘Pete’. Everyone seemed to think the basketball scene was hilarious, and the mirror universe sequence fantastically clever. No perspective appeared to have been gained in the years between the series being made and the DVD coming out.

    I’d say the series 10 documentary was far more revealing than that, even though no time had passed at all. And it’s been almost two years now since they filmed series 12. While I agree it’s quite unlikely, I still hope that they’ve used the extra time to really polish up the series and make the DVD release as strong as possible.

    in reply to: Will we get commentaries on the Red Dwarf XII DVD? #221181
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    It’s a shame. The DVDs feel incomplete without commentaries, regardless of their quality. They give the episodes another layer of rewatch value.

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