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  • in reply to: Jokes you don't/didn't get #267491
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    Oh yeah Heidegger I get, although his presence in the list as “the straight one” was another thing which threw the joke off for me

    It’s an unusual comedic structure, thinking about it: straight, funny, funny, funny. Normally you’d expect it to go funny, funny, funny; or straight, straight, (straight), funny.

    I don’t think I’d ever listened properly to the names as I didn’t realise Davro was one of them! Certainly never linked it to Bobby. I’d always assumed only the last name was the funny one – and didn’t know until this thread or similar why “Quayle” was humorous.

    in reply to: Mundane observation dome #267124
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    What, like “Legion”, which is another biblical reference (and was originally titled “Call Me Legion”)? Surely the interesting thing about titles are letting people have preconceptions about what the stories could entail, and then surprising them by taking a core idea and giving it a sci-fi spin?

    With the added knowledge of how the episode pans out, “Legion” is obviously a biblical reference, but I’m not sure that would be anyone’s first go-to assumption based on title alone. “<…>men of the Apocalypse” clearly is a more overt reference.

    I have never really seen the term “horsemen” used in any other context than the “of the Apocalypse” one, but surely at best we would say that cowboys (with guns) are a subset of horsemen – a horseman does not automatically imply guns, and the more overt reference clearly does not suggest guns either, so I don’t think the “gunmen” wordplay is bashing its audience over the head in the way you think it is.

    in reply to: Questions about Space Mumps #264184
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    I’m with GlenTokyo – the joke works regardless of wider context/knowledge. The way it’s phrased, including the use of “quarterback”, makes it immediately obvious it’s a reference to American Football (or Zero-G within the show) and the team reference – which up until now I’d always heard as the “Bangles” – could easily be a made-up team.

    I guess by knowing the reference, you get the extra layer of comedy of specificity, but like all good gags it works well without it too.

    in reply to: Life Imitating Red Dwarf #262759
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    That brilliant “I” speech. “I…” something something something. It’s brilliant writing, it really is. Unforgettable.

    in reply to: The Best Bits of VIII #261109
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    I liked Cassandra’s facial expression as Lister’s accidentally setting off the chain reaction that kills her. Just that look of tired contempt.

    Truly brilliant. I also love her similar, weary look earlier in the episode in response to Rimmer’s “Have you seen this?” and flipping her the bird.

    Even though it’s not a series I go back to very often, it’s nice that we can list some positives at least. The Brylcreem gag itself (minus its explanation), cell inspection, the video editing, the delayed fight, the second ground controller (some great work from Jeillo Edwards) – all superb moments. Even the “heard the news about Miss Kochanski?” conversation in Krytie TV is a rare Series VIII of a joke becoming funnier as it continues rather than outstaying its welcome.

    in reply to: Red Dwarf theme reggae cover #256844
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    I know it’s sacrilege to say so but I do actually prefer the additional lyrics (“hyperspace” and whatnot) to some of the additional verses written by Goodall himself. Don’t get me wrong, the arrangement on that other version is hideous, the singing is not great, and the ending is just too weird for words, but I still find it difficult to believe that the genius of Goodall also came up with:

    I’d like to have
    Red blotches on my face
    Make a mess
    Of my nose
    I’d love to peel
    In every awkward place
    Fun, Fun, Fun in the Sun, Sun, Sun

    in reply to: good or near-perfect line readings? #256843
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    …but the line reading is so good.

    It really is. On the night of recording, they did that bit a good 5 or 6 times (with, if I recall correctly, variations of the ‘A’ names used instead of Andy and Ainsley) and the “it is mine” line and delivery got a huge laugh every single time.

    Also from a guest performance, the brilliant “I’m sure there’s no cause for oh dear” in M-Corp is also one of my favourites.

    in reply to: This Time with Alan Partridge #246397
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    I actually thought this week’s was the strongest so far – we must look for slightly different things in a Partridge episode! Genuinely laughing out loud throughout, from the satellite-delay frustration with Ruth (and I had to rewind a couple of times to truly enjoy the perfectly-portrayed confusion when the delay disappeared entirely for Jennie), to the “CPR”-but-clearly-sex doll, through to the brilliant “who the hell is that?!”. The lookalike was so well performed; even though it is clearly Coogan playing both roles, you quickly believe there’s two separate people there – so much so that I didn’t spot until a second watch that there’s a really nice bit of camera-trickery/body-double work going on when Martin hands Alan the box with Alun.

    The only thing I don’t really get is what the ‘in-universe’ explanation is for the “low-budget” stuff that sometimes appears – for example, the weird Partridge-produced jingle for “through the backdoor”. I get the shitty jingles on Radio Norwich, a tin-pot station with no budget for real ones so Alan has to make his own, and certainly for North Norfolk Digital, but this is supposedly primetime BBC. I don’t remember Adrian Chiles ever making his own jingles for The One Show. It just seems a bit incongruous in a show where pretty much all of the other parody falls perfectly.

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    I thought that even in the mid-70s, the purpose of the Major’s speech is to demonstrate how out of date his views are rather than to be an hilarious gag. Even the audience response to it at the time is the lukest of warm. As a mixed-race person I do not find the lines offensive but neither particularly funny.

    I don’t know if John Cleese has ever made comments about the inclusion of the N-word and whether he stands by its use or would remove them if writing again (a bit like Steve Coogan’s regret at using a particular word in I’m Alan Partridge).

    in reply to: "We Have To Go!" #242852
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    I was about to say “At least it hasn’t stooped as low to be making jokes about the US presidency” but then I remembered Mechocracy was a thing

    While we certainly feared this was going to be the case when we initially read the synopsis for Mechocracy, I don’t really feel that the actual episode ended up being a particularly overt commentary on US elections or presidencies. I don’t think there’s anything in the episode that’s meant to be a dig or parody of a particular president or even a particular style of president. It ended up being a much, much stronger and less ‘political’ episode than predicted – unlike Timewave, which ended up being everything people feared from the synopsis and more!

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    It was never the same after they added that extra ‘1’ at the start.

    Indeed not. Compare and contrast for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmNPyQ-OOp0

    in reply to: Jokes you don't/didn't get #232556
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    It’s a nice touch that the thirty-one is emphasised by the reinforcement “three one”. There’s no real reason why you would do that (where you might for, say, thirty which may be confused with thirteen), so it just subtly places the number a little more prominently in your short-term memory, to be paid off quite delightfully by the thirty-two. All jokes are ruined when over-explained, but the construct of that whole gag is so nice that it is worth seeing it broken down.

    in reply to: Is Justice a deliberate retcon…or is Kryten lying? #230987
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    Whilst I’m sure the sentence would be rephrased if written in 2018, it is worth pointing out that Kryten refers to Rimmer as an “emotional retard” (ie. emotionally-stunted, which is reasonably apt) rather than calling him a “retard” outright. Not ideal but at least marginally less offensive, and I’m sure – like Steve Coogan famously regretting using “spastic” in I’m Alan Partridge – that Doug and Rob would probably rewrite it if they could.

    As a half-black person, I don’t enjoy the Major’s niggers and wogs “joke” in Fawlty Towers, but I appreciate that (a) it’s a product of its time, (b) the point is supposed to be demonstrating the Major’s senility and outdated (even for 1974) values and is therefore meant to be uncomfortable, and (c) even in those days it only gets a pretty lukewarm response from the audience.

    Judging a 1991 episode by 2018 sensibilities is always going to be tough and acceptable language and behaviour will inevitably change. Growing up, our family would happily use the terms “half-caste” and “coloured” to describe ourselves (leading to my toddler sister happily describing herself as “coloured-in” to people!) but this would be frowned upon nowadays, even though our mixed race little unit was anything but racist.

    in reply to: Misheard lines #230558
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    Me too, I think it’s that the stressed syllable is wrong for it to be two different names. Todd Hunter would be TODD-HUNT-er, whereas Tod(d)hunter is more like TODD-hunt-ER. Difficult to explain phonetically (and without going down the route of “what do you want me to call you, rim-MER!?”) but a subtle enough distinction that I think my brain just processed it as one word without me realising. And, you’re right, everyone else is just one name – no-one thinks there’s a guy called Peter Son.

    in reply to: Misheard lines #230522
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    in fact, i still don’t know what she’s saying there tbh

    Zdravstvuyte – a polite hello in Russian.

    On a related note, there doesn’t seem to have been any news on how Sophie Winkleman is getting on after her car accident a few months back. I wonder how she is doing.

    in reply to: Misheard lines #228895
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    Just one sentence and I still fucked it up.

    in reply to: Misheard lines #228894
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    Any plotline that gave us the exceptional Luster double-header scene as both father and son is a winner in my eyes.

    in reply to: Doug WhatCulture interview #227842
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    I don’t think anyone would claim that a stage show is what Red Dwarf has been missing all of these years, but equally there’s no reason why the ‘odd couple in space’ approach can’t lean towards a stage show – I certainly don’t think it’s any less suited than Bottom was. A massive and passionate fan base; a show that has already broken the fourth-wall numerous times, such as an in-character Kryten leading the Smeg-Ups tapes; and a cast that more than know how to play to an audience.

    in reply to: Doug WhatCulture interview #227830
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    I think it’s cynical to suggest that money is a primary driver for wanting to do a stage show. You have four actors, most of whom come from a ‘live performance’ background and all of whom say they much prefer working with an audience, who would likely relish a stage show. Anyone who’s been to a recording know how much the cast enjoy playing up to a crowd, which also brings us to another probable key driver: they KNOW how many people apply for Red Dwarf tickets when they are released, and only a fraction get them. To put on a show in a bigger venue means that more people are able to see Red Dwarf live, so to speak.

    in reply to: Kissing a Psiren #226630
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    What is the actual extent of the “no aliens” badge? Is it that nothing shown in the show is alien, or that aliens do not exist in the Red Dwarf universe full stop? I get that the GELFs, Simulants, viruses etc. are all of Earth descent, but things that are referred to – such as the pan-dimensional liquid beast from the Mogodon complex that attacked them on Christmas Day – seem distinctly alien to me. So too the Vidal Beast of Sharmut 2, although admittedly that’s Series VII and I don’t know if the rules have changed since then. You would also argue the Universe in Krysis is ‘alien’ by any definition of the word.

    in reply to: Red Dwarf poised to return for another series on Dave #225145
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    It’s also because you have 4 guys who, let’s be frank, like showing off in front of an audience.

    But isn’t that more of a point in favour of the live shows, not against them?

    in reply to: Red Dwarf poised to return for another series on Dave #225086
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    > isn’t Robert Llewellyn notoriously dreadful at knowing his lines?

    Fair to say there is a difference between learning lines for a stage play with lots of lead time and rehearsals, and learning lines for a Friday evening record that is substantially different from last Friday’s record, and alongside learning lines for midweek filming as well.

    in reply to: The Last Day Trivia #224802
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    > Did he post his portfolio?

    Hopefully not, we wouldn’t want Better Dead Than Smeg having to spend three hours on the phone to Robert in another round of Things That Definitely Happened And Make Perfect Sense, Honest Guv.

    in reply to: Pointless Hollies #224230
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    I always start my compliments with “hopefully it will be better than…”.

    All those people that said “hopefully Mechocracy/M-Corp/Skipper is better than Timewave” were really just giving Timewave the highest possible praise.

    in reply to: Radio Times interview #222908
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    Jeillo Edwards

    in reply to: That debate from the comments of the UKTV Play Agenda article #222297
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    Red Dwarf is the only show I engage in any form of online discussion about. I may occasionally read reviews or have a look at forums to see what people thought of a particular episode of another show, but here is the only place I ever post an opinion or discuss a show online. So for me, spaffing all episodes onto an on-demand service in one go is perfect, because as others have said here it means I have complete control over when I watch them – six in one go, one a day, one a week, I control.

    But for Red Dwarf I *want* to be waiting a week, and having the discussion and the anticipation and the community spirit that comes with all watching on the same day (preferably at the same time, but I didn’t feel it was a massive hindrance last year with people joining the Let’s Talk About… threads as and when they had watched). I would definitely not be keen for all six episodes to go up in one hit.

    in reply to: Re-watching X and XI before XII #221984
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    For me, it is the combination of the way Robert says “bollocks”, the complete unexpectedness of the nickname (bearing in mind we have also just come straight out of the excellent “and you are…?” gag), and the whole Kryten-insults-Rimmer-even-further-whilst-trying-to-apologise-a-la-Polymorph situation that makes the Captain Bollocks gag a definite highlight.

    It’s not really any more puerile than the likes of “Ace hole, maybe” or similar from the earlier series.

    in reply to: New, mildly spoilery XII synopses copy-and-pasted within #221823
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    Oh wow it seems Cured could turn out pretty controversial

    It is the one Andrew Ellard described before the shoot as potentially divisive. That said, it was the one I was in the audience for and I thought it was some of the best Dwarf I’d seen. I acknowledge that watching it live with hundreds of other RD fans can skew an opinion, but the set reports – both here and elsewhere – was all very positive. Plus, the feedback from those who saw the episode in Edinburgh is pretty positive too, although again I acknowledge that watching it on a big screen amongst hundreds of other RD fans can skew an opinion.

    I am mostly confident that what we will have in two weeks’ time is one belter of an opener for the new series.

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    Although she is (they are) a “she” in the very first paragraph…

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    3. The whole “Reality sucks!” bit is actually hilarious when you are eight.

    Apropos of barely anything, but I was touched by the way the cast (Robert in particular, I think) responded in the commentary for that episode when they discovered that Jeillo Edwards had passed away. And while I wouldn’t claim “reality sucks” is the best joke ever, Jeillo’s infectious laugh about it did make it a bit funnier.

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    Someone called 11, I said, “Oh. Shit.” and we watched “Twentica”, which didn’t go over particularly well. I wonder if that was my fault?

    Did you project your own negativity about it while you were watching it? <i>Twentica</i> is a strong RD episode that, aside from the weird coda at the end (and even then it’s not like RD hasn’t done weird codas before), would comfortably have sat amongst the ‘golden 36’. Like any RD episode (including I-VI), if you pick hard enough at it there are reasons to pull it apart, but as an episode to demonstrate the essence of the show it would and should succeed. If it didn’t go down well then the mood and reaction was likely either led by yourself, or chances are your friends simply wouldn’t like RD anyway – there is nothing about that episode that makes it a “bad” representation of the show.

    Given that this thread is essentially a proxy for “everything from VIII onwards is shit”, I’m surprised you even gave a choice of all eleven series if you doubt the quality of a third of the episodes.

    in reply to: Edinburgh screening #220700
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    As for Officer Rimmer, I’m not 100% certain but I now think the scene was reshot and not recorded on the night for this episode.

    Yeah the plot is thickening on this one. Naylor Jr’s tweet implies that bits were cut and stuck in other episodes rather than reshot, but unless Cat and Lister have identical outfits in XII.1 as XI.4, I don’t see how it could not be a reshoot given that their outfits stick for the entire episode.

    Certainly to my recall, only the ‘flying’ scene has made its way into an episode we’ve seen, so the use of “eps” plural in Richard’s tweet suggests that maybe some episodes of XII have also received some donor material.

    October? Really..?!

    in reply to: Edinburgh screening #220683
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    And for anyone that was at the recording, they cut that stinker of an old joke so good news all round.

    Is that (likely) the one Ian referred to in the set report as a punchline mocked by Lee & Herring? (If so, I actually quite liked that gag, cliched as it was – hoping it reappears in the Deleted Scenes).

    Given that we know that the ‘flying-as-a-euphemism-for-wanking’ stuff recorded for this episode actually made its way into Officer Rimmer, without spoiling anything are you able to say if anything was added to this episode to replace it, or did it just run to time even without that scene?

    in reply to: Mindblowing thing I've just noticed about the Opening Theme… #218641
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    > I was pleased to see in the Howard Goodall DVD feature that he wasn’t responsible for those shit lyrics, and even had a second verse of his own.

    Whilst I have no doubts about the genius of Howard Goodall, I would argue that the “shit” lyrics of Ian Hu’s alternative version are still better than some of the additional verses that Goodall wrote, according to the same DVD feature. Can you honestly say that the Hu lyrics are worse than:

    I’d like to have
    Red blotches on my face
    Make a mess
    Of my nose
    I’d love to peel
    In every awkward place
    Fun, Fun, Fun in the Sun, Sun, Sun

    ‘cos, you know… they’re kind of dreadful lyrics that barely even scan properly,

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