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Yes, it’s a shame he didn’t have better news about the special. The general outline of the plot sounded good. 

I don’t think I’d known what his writing process was with Rob – with the lists of ideas etc. 

And the chat about the kids book was particularly interesting, I thought. 

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He goes on to talk about the plot of the new Red Dwarf special, its recent cancellation, and its possible future. 

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I kind of agree with the obnoxious applause thing. It doesn’t work with repeated viewings.
Possibly due to the show’s creator / writer being the director. Doug might have had his wrong hat on for that decision. Then again, it’s just a thought

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I just woke up from a dream in which Rimmer and Kryten were walking along a dark corridor. Rimmer was in his blue uniform and Kryten was a murky green. The main thing I remember is seeing Bobby picking the underwear out of his bum.
Not my best dream.

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Red Dwarf: Genisys.

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I read that bit of the article completely differently. Like you were asking us “non-recording attendeesists” to fill our boots in a celebration of speculation, as well as reminding those that did attend (recordist attendeenantists?) to give nothing away.
And it’s always good fun to guess something correctly.
Different strokes.

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Anyone else got a hankering to see Death in the Meaning of Life say “You Americans… You talk and you talk, and you say ‘I just wanna say this.'”?

I mean, I’m not a jingoist. I just like the bit.

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The state of youth today…

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>WHAT?! Hahahahaha. You can go to any newsagents and buy a toffee crisp right now.

Nah, they’re closed.

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RHLTP!

That’s Herring all over. Quick to criticise comedy as he thinks he knows it all. Then you watch or listen to any of the stuff he’s written, (That Was Then…; Relativity; his hours of stand up) and you realise he’s very much
just a keen amateur.

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Sensitive soul, isn’t he.
I shall miss him. Again.
It makes sense though. Once Rob and Doug had rinsed the original conceit of 2 people and a cat being stuck together in space of all its ideas, they’re going to look for inspiration from the wider world.
I wouldn’t use the same hyperbolic language, mind. I’d perhaps have used a ‘broad’ or ‘light satire.’ Stuff like that. I mean, if you believe all the shit you read in cahiers du cinema, it’s possible Rob and Doug and Peter didn’t know what they were doing…. Or that they knew exactly.
*Submits*
(In all senses.)

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It wasn’t mentioned in the dwarfcast was it.
I think it was a fair jibe in keeping with the satire of Spitting Image, say.

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Has anyone compiled a list of lists that list the modern references in Red Dwarf…?
And this is where it starts to get a little bit confusing.

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Personally I liked it. A good piss-take. Tough crowd, though.

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I’ll watch or listen to anything connected with Hugh Laurie, John Finnemore or Armando Iannucci except Gash.
In an interview podcast, Armando has expressed a desire to create another sci-fi concept comedy or two. About AI and Robots…
Perhaps his view of Red Dwarf has softened since getting the boxset for Christmas.

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Well I say let’s get out there and twat it.

I mean, it got its own t shirt for fucks sake

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“You can’t have been a full member of the golf club, then.” I cite this one because it’s so easy to fuck it up and he does it excellently.

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Craig looking at the photographs of Robert’s erect penis was pretty perfect as well.

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I’ll second the Ohhhh dear.
And I’ll add “And then, I’m going to have you.”
Basic stuff, but perfect.

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*insert that gif of the bloke blinking here*

I like John Lanchester’s novels. Might give it a go. Cheers.

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Just wait til I show her how I pick up a vending machine.

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I didn’t like his autobiography, apart from the odd excerpt. I liked the foreword and the chapter about his accident very much but that’s about it. But then, it was ghostwritten, so I’m not sure it even counts.
I’m sad Ade hasn’t done another novel (for adults). My 6yo daughter loves his kids books. The Horse that Talked is her favourite read. I can’t wait to show her Bottom and TYO.

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Hooligan’s Island is the best imo.
This view was formed circa 2004 when I last saw them all, so it may not withstand close scrutiny or indeed further research on my own part.
But fuck me, Weapons Grade Y Fronts is fucking terrible.
While we’re on the subject, I’ve got a feeling that Rik didn’t do anything of much worth following his quad bike accident. I have a soft spot for the Bottom film, but I wouldn’t fight for it.
His first appearance in Jonathan Creek was very good, though.

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^ I read that in the style of Hugh from the Armando shows. His legacy will live on.

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That’s disgusting

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Probably not.
I’m going to buy his Fry & Laurie one.

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Today I read in a Blackadder-based book that the joke about making the earth a full stop was a joke/plot originally thought of by John “QI Etc.” Lloyd in an sci fi sitcom pilot.

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I don’t think that imagery will help, somehow.

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Muesli

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PS. What’s the condition?

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I can answer this from my own point of view.
I was okay with it until I saw series VII.
I’d thought there would be 2 books Ref Dwarf published regularly instead of one. I was looking forward to Rob’s new sitcoms. I had no idea.

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I’d never really given this the time of day.
Might watch it now. Cheers.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/immutableC/status/1172219180738908160

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Rob asking “Do I have permission to… poo myself, sirs.” Every time I see it I piss myself.

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Definitely agree that Michael J. Fox was a highlight.
I had a thought: Red Dwarf and Seinfeld are the only DVD extras I’ve watched more than once.

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Hence the word hurdle, I guess. But it was very difficult to listen to. It stood out as being very shit. I seem to recall his entrance being shit for about a season. 5 or 6. Applause, unearned laughter. Just my opinion though. I might think it lasts longer than it does because of how terrible it is.
Another mid season difference to my ears (this is my own opinion klaxon) was when Andy Ackerman first took over as director. There seemed like the introduction of canned laughter. Laughter at nothing… But that didn’t last long. I watched it a couple of years ago for the first time in 15 years or so, so I’m not claiming to be an expert.
What did you think of the final season(s) of Curb’s original run, Dave? I don’t remember it being brilliant. I thought a couple were a bit shit. The orgasmy car… Was that the same as the periscope car? (Car Poo, more like!) Nothing on “beloved cunt”

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It got to a point when I realised I wasn’t enjoying every episode. I think it just ran out of steam. Another difficult hurdle was the applause on Kramer’s entry. Still one of the best things ever made, though. I must have been in an overly cynical mood yesterday.

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Seconded. Stick with it. It gets better.
Then it’s amazing.
Then you might as well stop watching when you get near the end.

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“‘SMALL PENIS'”

I haven’t posted on here for a while, but I couldn’t resist.

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It’s a good podcast, generally.
I’d also add the conversations about story structure and Disney as noteworthy.
It was lovely to hear them praising the writing, and the seamless partnership of Rob and Doug.

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This thread has changed my opinion of this episode, so thank you. I will return to it with fresh eyes. I wrote it off because of Craig Ferguson. I have wanted another version where Paranoia was the main character, but it doesn’t feel like Lister. Confidence is definitely his dominant trait.
I tend to think of Lee Cornes as the binman in Filthy Rich and Catflap. I think because he’s most “normal” in it and not a hideous caricature.

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“Will you stop saying everything’s crypto-fascist. You make me sound like a racist slag.”

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The Major’s speech definitely WAS that. But now it’s shocking to hear things like that said aloud outside of a rap record or a Tarantino film.
I watched all of In Sickness and In Health recently and there were words in it I hadn’t heard for twenty years. I’d suggest if you watch IS&IH you’re going to have to expect that type of thing. So it’s fine to leave it in there. With things that are labelled “timeless” it’s probably another matter. Like the bits in the Young Ones that were used to highlight prejudices. (The copper in dark glasses and the Grange Hill nickname.) Then learning that those words that were used ironically in the context of the show were yelled unironically as insults in the playground. It depends, dunnit.

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>”Perhaps it should probably…”
I’m unflinching, aren’t I.

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It’s the thing I think about a lot. Stuff in context that was once okay is now completely unacceptable. The Major’s “cricket” speech in Fawlty Towers being the most prominent example. I used to think it was fine to leave it in – as I had a comedy nerd, completist side of me. In the last couple of years I’ve rewatched some early Fools and Horses with my wife, and winced at Del’s references to “birds.” So fuck knows how I’d feel about toxic racial epithets. Having said that, we shouldn’t all live with our woolly liberal heads in the sand. So perhaps it should probably be an option on the DVD. Play with racism, play without racism.

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That looks like Blue Heaven’s Conleth Hill.

I like Waiting for God a lot too. Was there talk of animating that evolution / civil war sequence at one point?

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Free trampoline? I’m in the market for free trampolines.

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Kudos to you. I’ve wanted to watch them all in order but I’ve never actually got round to it. And I’m in total agreement. You can’t recreate a magic formula like that.

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Kevin McNally always seems to pop up in these remake thingies. I wonder if they’ll ever remake ‘Dad’.

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I was too busy stockpiling rice and sharpening my hammer to notice.

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